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(Bangor Daily News)   State university has a $36 million shortfall. How to deal with this? Give the head financial administrator a 40k raise. What the fark, UMaine?   (bangordailynews.com) divider line 17
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2014-04-17 01:45:51 AM  
3 votes:
Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.
2014-04-17 01:31:47 AM  
3 votes:

AgentPothead: Woah woah woah, are you trying to tell me america has a system in place where it doesn't matter whether you fail or succeed, once you reach a certain size it's impossible to tie reward into performance?


They're just properly incentivizing him to do his job. If he doesn't make a lot of money, he has no reason to do a good job and will just go Galt. That's why we can't raise the minimum wage, because if employers start paying those people more they'll have no reason to work hard since...

Wait, I messed that up. Let me start again.

If we don't pay rich people a lot more money....
2014-04-17 01:23:47 AM  
3 votes:
Woah woah woah, are you trying to tell me america has a system in place where it doesn't matter whether you fail or succeed, once you reach a certain size it's impossible to tie reward into performance?
2014-04-17 01:58:04 AM  
2 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.


I wouldn't call office skills superlative and rare. I would call them quite common. And what others are paid is irrelevant due to the greatly varying size of different universities and the totally different job duties at various universities. There is no compare. Maybe they should work for tips. No rules against it. Leave at tip on your tuition.
2014-04-17 01:47:24 AM  
2 votes:
dnrtfa, but the finance guy could be practically working miracles and the school could still show a shortfall.
2014-04-17 01:27:00 AM  
2 votes:
They're just running the educational institution like a business because that's worked out so well for the government. For the jerks who control it anyway.
2014-04-17 01:11:18 PM  
1 votes:

Mawson of the Antarctic: Prince George: cman: Here's an idea: why not increase tuition to make up for the shortfall?

Kids go to college no matter what the cost, especially if its a 4 year school.

This is exactly the cause of the student loan crisis.  Universities pay their faculty CEO grade pay because they know the sky is pretty much the limit on student loan borrowing and they can just jack up the tuition. Want to fix it?  limit what they can borrow based on performance and how much they can potentially make when they graduate based on their field of study.  Then like any business Universities will make the necessary changes to survive in a shrinking market.

As an educator, I pretty much agree with you, but you are seeing 2 long-toothed faculty making the bigger amounts, and dozens and dozens of adjuncts and lecturers and visiting positions making pitiful fractions of that. In my classes, of which there may be 18 students, 1/3 of one student's tuition for that class that semester goes to my salary. Where does the other 17 and 2/3 tuition go? Surely, it's not to the new multimillion dollar building on campus, or the renovation of the sports arena that was recently added on to a few years previous.


wow.  I'm assuming you are not an economics instructor.

Maybe some of that tuition goes towards your benefits and your pension and to the utilities and building maintenance and and the cost of that counselor or the refrigeration in the cafeteria or the financial aid department that helps that student attend your class or for campus police or for the guy that fixes the toilet when it starts flooding the bathroom and shiat starts running in the halls or....
2014-04-17 08:11:20 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.


...while spending money that the University system doesn't have, year after year, so that the Board, and their friends, will have continuing income. This "skill set" has been key to the UMaine system for some time--when Mike Orrenduff was put into the seat to Administrate only a YEAR after taking over UMaine Farmington from "Away"--and was eventually "No Confidenced" out of the position for the sh*tty management--and I might note, that Iron Mike was also brought in by the Board to give that "superlative" skill set--which amounted to building projects that no one asked for, ignoring faculty needs, jacking student activity fees without any increase in services, and shaving staff to the point of breakage, while shedding cash to the private sector like it was his job to make it rain--which essentially it was, and the job he was brought in to do. To make it rain sweet, sweet, sweet university money to the right folks, while keeping that pesky faculty and the students in check.

The UMaine system has a great teaching program at Farmington, a brilliant engineering school at Orono, and their successes, and the successes of their various sports teams--yes, UMaine hockey and basketball are big in Maine, and Farmington's women's basketball does do fair well, but then again it's a school still predominately female--are almost in spite of the incipient corruption that is at the heart of the system.
2014-04-17 08:05:22 AM  
1 votes:

No Such Agency: foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.

I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.


This is pretty much spot-on.
We have a search at the moment for two new (pointless, irrelevant imho) administrative positions. The university is facing a $6 million shortfall next year. The Provost (who's just come back from a "fact-finding" trip to Asia with three other administrators) says she can't do anything about the searches because they were initiated before she was hired.
Faculty, meanwhile, are being told there's no money for a cost-of-living raise, let alone any merit award.
2014-04-17 07:06:27 AM  
1 votes:

riverwalk barfly: No Such Agency: What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.

Says every Dean and every department chair at every university.


As a department chair, all I can say is you could double my salary and it still wouldn't be worth it.
2014-04-17 06:50:48 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: on.

Yes by all means ignore the waste fraud an abuse in education while they demand more money. We spend more money per student than any other country in world to the tune of almost a trillion dollars inn combined government spending yet get the worse results per dollar. Do the so called "professional" educators pay any penalty for this massive theft of tax dollars? No, they get to yell and whine about needing more money.


Dude, it's not the teachers (The folks you so lovingly call "professional educators" without a hint of sarcasm, I'm sure) that are sucking up most of those funds. ESPECIALLY at the college level. Interesting that the graph doesn't also look a 'average teacher pay/compensation' in that to compare *THAT*.

A shiat-load of that is going to a massive ammount of Middle Managers. And because we have a for-profit education system, so OF COURSE they're going to charge the students *as much as possible*, even if that money doesn't filter down to the teachers (who are underpaid given the work they do, which a) Does not end when they get home and B) Does not, in fact, end in the summer.
2014-04-17 06:44:11 AM  
1 votes:

No Such Agency: What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.


Says every Dean and every department chair at every university.
2014-04-17 06:31:44 AM  
1 votes:

foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.


I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.
2014-04-17 04:55:06 AM  
1 votes:
Worked for the VP for Business Affairs (including Budget and Finance) at a State Medical school.   it's a tough job and does take a special skill set.  You are dealing with a variety of funding sources and the departments are always in need of more $$$ for one reason or another.  If you are operating in a deficit, it's not because of the Vice Chancellor of Finance.  That's the last place you want to cut spending or lose the one person that knows what's going on.  And good for her, anyone that thinks that is a 9 - 5 job is wrong.
2014-04-17 03:09:21 AM  
1 votes:
Yes, the real scandal is salaries for university administrators.  Pay no attention to the hundreds of billions lost in the financial meltdown of 2008, and the fact that there are no masters of the universe in prison, or even any who have seen the inside of a courtroom.

No, all of the revolting excess in this country, all of the greed, all of the theft, takes place in the field of education.
2014-04-17 01:40:19 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, the UMaineity.
2014-04-17 01:30:51 AM  
1 votes:
but, but she deserve it because those financial services types work so much harder than the rest of us!

pfft...they call 9 to 5 bankers hours for a reason.
 
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