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(Bangor Daily News)   State university has a $36 million shortfall. How to deal with this? Give the head financial administrator a 40k raise. What the fark, UMaine?   (bangordailynews.com) divider line 61
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2014-04-17 12:32:17 AM  
That would be the UMaine system that I remember...
 
2014-04-17 01:23:47 AM  
Woah woah woah, are you trying to tell me america has a system in place where it doesn't matter whether you fail or succeed, once you reach a certain size it's impossible to tie reward into performance?
 
2014-04-17 01:27:00 AM  
They're just running the educational institution like a business because that's worked out so well for the government. For the jerks who control it anyway.
 
2014-04-17 01:30:51 AM  
but, but she deserve it because those financial services types work so much harder than the rest of us!

pfft...they call 9 to 5 bankers hours for a reason.
 
2014-04-17 01:31:47 AM  

AgentPothead: Woah woah woah, are you trying to tell me america has a system in place where it doesn't matter whether you fail or succeed, once you reach a certain size it's impossible to tie reward into performance?


They're just properly incentivizing him to do his job. If he doesn't make a lot of money, he has no reason to do a good job and will just go Galt. That's why we can't raise the minimum wage, because if employers start paying those people more they'll have no reason to work hard since...

Wait, I messed that up. Let me start again.

If we don't pay rich people a lot more money....
 
2014-04-17 01:40:10 AM  
Two things, Subby. One, she's woman. Why do you hate women getting equal pay? Two, with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.
 
2014-04-17 01:40:19 AM  
Oh, the UMaineity.
 
2014-04-17 01:45:51 AM  
Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.
 
2014-04-17 01:47:24 AM  
dnrtfa, but the finance guy could be practically working miracles and the school could still show a shortfall.
 
2014-04-17 01:50:40 AM  
Yep

//Wifey in academia - me in engineering
 
2014-04-17 01:53:46 AM  
Oh, Ayuh.
 
2014-04-17 01:54:53 AM  
If that's what the contract is, $40k more is a pittance compared to what she'd get with a breach of contract suit.
 
2014-04-17 01:58:04 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.


I wouldn't call office skills superlative and rare. I would call them quite common. And what others are paid is irrelevant due to the greatly varying size of different universities and the totally different job duties at various universities. There is no compare. Maybe they should work for tips. No rules against it. Leave at tip on your tuition.
 
2014-04-17 01:59:42 AM  

IlGreven: If that's what the contract is, $40k more is a pittance compared to what she'd get with a breach of contract suit.


Aren't you a Joe Rapist / State Penn dude?
 
2014-04-17 02:04:51 AM  
my brother-in -law works for that paper, i have nothing else to add
 
2014-04-17 02:15:53 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.


She is also VC for the whole UMaine system... seven schools. It sounded like they were comparing her salary to the salaries of people who might only have one school to look after.
 
2014-04-17 03:09:21 AM  
Yes, the real scandal is salaries for university administrators.  Pay no attention to the hundreds of billions lost in the financial meltdown of 2008, and the fact that there are no masters of the universe in prison, or even any who have seen the inside of a courtroom.

No, all of the revolting excess in this country, all of the greed, all of the theft, takes place in the field of education.
 
2014-04-17 03:26:57 AM  
Office skills are super rare at an elite level. Most bueracracies are set up like total shiat
 
2014-04-17 03:29:57 AM  
Here's an idea: why not increase tuition to make up for the shortfall?

Kids go to college no matter what the cost, especially if its a 4 year school.
 
2014-04-17 03:58:04 AM  

FDR Jones: Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.

She is also VC for the whole UMaine system... seven schools. It sounded like they were comparing her salary to the salaries of people who might only have one school to look after.


 I have to agree. It certainly appears she is way under the average, but on par for a female. Lets forgo the outrage and call it even.
 
2014-04-17 04:04:38 AM  
Bangor? For that salary? I'll just close my eyes.
 
2014-04-17 04:14:38 AM  
Meh. Compared to what the president of NYU did for his son, this easily pales in comparison.

The putz knew full well that there was a housing shortage on campus...and still gave his son--who was neither a student nor faculty member and apparently 33 years old with a wife--two apartments on campus that had been combined to make a duplex. He--that would the president, John Sexton--is under investigation, but I'm not holding my breath for anything to come of it.

My university, in the middle of a budget crisis crisis (and no, that's not repeating myself--the school had a crisis about the budget crisis) decided that it was perfectly understandable to completely remodel the president's residence from floor to ceiling. To their credit, the wood floors are nice--but a number of good professors were canned as a result.

I love academia, and I want to work in academia. I just hate the bureaucracy, the money-grabbing, and the stupidity that goes on outside the classroom.
 
2014-04-17 04:49:17 AM  
Well, hang on. What was the short fall before this person was hired? Better or worse? Because if this person has improved the situation, they deserve the raise. You can't turn around a failing enterprise overnight, so it's possible that this person is doing a really good job.

Of course, it's also possible they ain't. But there's not enough info the article to make that determination.
 
2014-04-17 04:55:06 AM  
Worked for the VP for Business Affairs (including Budget and Finance) at a State Medical school.   it's a tough job and does take a special skill set.  You are dealing with a variety of funding sources and the departments are always in need of more $$$ for one reason or another.  If you are operating in a deficit, it's not because of the Vice Chancellor of Finance.  That's the last place you want to cut spending or lose the one person that knows what's going on.  And good for her, anyone that thinks that is a 9 - 5 job is wrong.
 
2014-04-17 05:42:32 AM  
Does anyone here remember the early 90s scandal at Stanford? The US Navy, if I remember, gave millions to Stanford for laser research and much of it was diverted to parties, a yacht, and daily fresh-cut flowers for the president's mansion. When the president was asked by a reporter what the American people would say about it, the president said, "The American people wouldn't understand."

He stepped down before it got all jaily timey.

This pay raise is nothing compared to real scandals.
 
2014-04-17 06:08:17 AM  
Problem w govt and govt schools is that they are too top heavy

Reduce management and reduce management pay. Its BS that you must overpay someone to keep someone who can work a position...that is Management BS 101

No school should fire a teacher or instructor without first firing your administration
 
2014-04-17 06:17:00 AM  
Evidence of oligarchy.
 
2014-04-17 06:20:08 AM  

August11: Does anyone here remember the early 90s scandal at Stanford? The US Navy, if I remember, gave millions to Stanford for laser research and much of it was diverted to parties, a yacht, and daily fresh-cut flowers for the president's mansion. When the president was asked by a reporter what the American people would say about it, the president said, "The American people wouldn't understand."

He stepped down before it got all jaily timey.

This pay raise is nothing compared to real scandals.


If I remember it correctly, it was the indirect costs that were spent inappropriately.  That is, every research university negotiates an indirect cost rate  on federal contracts.  it varies from university to university and a couple of percentage points can mean millions.  Those indirect costs recovery are supposed to support accounting, purchasing, human resources facility management, etc.  What Stanford did put research at risk for all universities.  BTW you can play a shell game with those dollars and still spend them on those extravagant things if you so choose.  That's where a good VC of Finance comes in.
 
2014-04-17 06:22:05 AM  

Kibbler: Yes, the real scandal is salaries for university administrators.  Pay no attention to the hundreds of billions lost in the financial meltdown of 2008, and the fact that there are no masters of the universe in prison, or even any who have seen the inside of a courtroom.

No, all of the revolting excess in this country, all of the greed, all of the theft, takes place in the field of education.


Yes by all means  ignore the waste fraud an abuse in education while they demand more money.  We spend more money per student than any other country in world to the tune of almost a trillion dollars inn combined government spending yet get the worse results per dollar. Do the so called "professional" educators pay any penalty for this massive theft of tax dollars? No, they get to yell and whine about needing more money.

www.truthfulpolitics.com
 
2014-04-17 06:22:27 AM  
Well, I'm told that the answer is more football.

/save us, football!!!
 
2014-04-17 06:29:03 AM  

AgentPothead: Woah woah woah, are you trying to tell me america has a system in place where it doesn't matter whether you fail or succeed, once you reach a certain size it's impossible to tie reward into performance?


It's the new capitalism.
 
2014-04-17 06:31:44 AM  

foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.


I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.
 
2014-04-17 06:44:11 AM  

No Such Agency: What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.


Says every Dean and every department chair at every university.
 
2014-04-17 06:50:48 AM  

hasty ambush: on.

Yes by all means ignore the waste fraud an abuse in education while they demand more money. We spend more money per student than any other country in world to the tune of almost a trillion dollars inn combined government spending yet get the worse results per dollar. Do the so called "professional" educators pay any penalty for this massive theft of tax dollars? No, they get to yell and whine about needing more money.


Dude, it's not the teachers (The folks you so lovingly call "professional educators" without a hint of sarcasm, I'm sure) that are sucking up most of those funds. ESPECIALLY at the college level. Interesting that the graph doesn't also look a 'average teacher pay/compensation' in that to compare *THAT*.

A shiat-load of that is going to a massive ammount of Middle Managers. And because we have a for-profit education system, so OF COURSE they're going to charge the students *as much as possible*, even if that money doesn't filter down to the teachers (who are underpaid given the work they do, which a) Does not end when they get home and B) Does not, in fact, end in the summer.
 
2014-04-17 07:06:27 AM  

riverwalk barfly: No Such Agency: What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.

Says every Dean and every department chair at every university.


As a department chair, all I can say is you could double my salary and it still wouldn't be worth it.
 
2014-04-17 07:52:03 AM  

hasty ambush: Kibbler: Yes, the real scandal is salaries for university administrators.  Pay no attention to the hundreds of billions lost in the financial meltdown of 2008, and the fact that there are no masters of the universe in prison, or even any who have seen the inside of a courtroom.

No, all of the revolting excess in this country, all of the greed, all of the theft, takes place in the field of education.

Yes by all means  ignore the waste fraud an abuse in education while they demand more money.  We spend more money per student than any other country in world to the tune of almost a trillion dollars inn combined government spending yet get the worse results per dollar. Do the so called "professional" educators pay any penalty for this massive theft of tax dollars? No, they get to yell and whine about needing more money.

[www.truthfulpolitics.com image 368x1500]


Been saying just this for years. Thank you.
 
2014-04-17 07:59:57 AM  

b0rscht: riverwalk barfly: No Such Agency: What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.

Says every Dean and every department chair at every university.

As a department chair, all I can say is you could double my salary and it still wouldn't be worth it.


Says every chair at every university.  I kid....  I don't know what department you are chair of, probably an academic department, but when i was administrator for the department of pathology, my chair was earning about $440,000 a year.  If he had told me that, I would have laughed at him.
 
2014-04-17 08:05:22 AM  

No Such Agency: foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.

I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.


This is pretty much spot-on.
We have a search at the moment for two new (pointless, irrelevant imho) administrative positions. The university is facing a $6 million shortfall next year. The Provost (who's just come back from a "fact-finding" trip to Asia with three other administrators) says she can't do anything about the searches because they were initiated before she was hired.
Faculty, meanwhile, are being told there's no money for a cost-of-living raise, let alone any merit award.
 
2014-04-17 08:05:35 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.


Fiscal incompetence is rare?  I'd drive that university into the red for half the money   :)
 
2014-04-17 08:08:57 AM  

NachoMama: No Such Agency: foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.

I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.

This is pretty much spot-on.
We have a search at the moment for two new (pointless, irrelevant imho) administrative positions. The university is facing a $6 million shortfall next year. The Provost (who's just come back from a "fact-finding" trip to Asia with three other administrators) says she can't do anything about the searches because they were initiated before she was hired.
Faculty, meanwhile, are being told there's no money for a cost-of-living raise, let alone any merit award.


She should be fired for either lying, or uselessness.  Or both.
 
2014-04-17 08:11:20 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Paid well below median: Check
Still paid well below median after raise: Check
Being wooed by other universities: Check

Oh, the scandal. People with superlative and rare skill sets with a lot of responsibility should work for tips.


...while spending money that the University system doesn't have, year after year, so that the Board, and their friends, will have continuing income. This "skill set" has been key to the UMaine system for some time--when Mike Orrenduff was put into the seat to Administrate only a YEAR after taking over UMaine Farmington from "Away"--and was eventually "No Confidenced" out of the position for the sh*tty management--and I might note, that Iron Mike was also brought in by the Board to give that "superlative" skill set--which amounted to building projects that no one asked for, ignoring faculty needs, jacking student activity fees without any increase in services, and shaving staff to the point of breakage, while shedding cash to the private sector like it was his job to make it rain--which essentially it was, and the job he was brought in to do. To make it rain sweet, sweet, sweet university money to the right folks, while keeping that pesky faculty and the students in check.

The UMaine system has a great teaching program at Farmington, a brilliant engineering school at Orono, and their successes, and the successes of their various sports teams--yes, UMaine hockey and basketball are big in Maine, and Farmington's women's basketball does do fair well, but then again it's a school still predominately female--are almost in spite of the incipient corruption that is at the heart of the system.
 
2014-04-17 08:29:03 AM  

cman: Here's an idea: why not increase tuition to make up for the shortfall?

Kids go to college no matter what the cost, especially if its a 4 year school.


I like that idea, but I'd focus it on Freshman and Sophomores only.  Anyone attending a university instead of a CC for their first two years of high school for adults can obviously afford to pay a little more.
 
2014-04-17 08:40:31 AM  
See there, trickle down.
The compensation structure for banking has trickled down to the common folk.

This will totally and completely fark those of us still soldiering in the War on Poverty.
 
2014-04-17 09:16:30 AM  

No Such Agency: foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.

I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.


Ha, that's funny, the faculty at our campus feel the way that the admin do at yours!
 
2014-04-17 09:21:13 AM  

NachoMama: No Such Agency: foo monkey: with a $36M shortfall, she's got a lot of work to do. She probably deserves the raise.

I'm sure people make that argument about the head of the university that I work at.  With >$30 million in cuts to make across the board, he still makes $450,000 a year plus a bunch of taxable benefits.   The Provost makes $320,000.  Meanwhile they're making declarations about how the university "needs" to stop making its contractually agreed pension plan contributions.  Several smaller departments have simply vanished in the last few years and many productive ones have lost critical staff etc.

What it comes down to is that university administrators believe deep down that the school operates for their benefit; that the entire campus is just some kind of life support system for the admin offices.  They will cut anything except their own compensation.

This is pretty much spot-on.
We have a search at the moment for two new (pointless, irrelevant imho) administrative positions. The university is facing a $6 million shortfall next year. The Provost (who's just come back from a "fact-finding" trip to Asia with three other administrators) says she can't do anything about the searches because they were initiated before she was hired.
Faculty, meanwhile, are being told there's no money for a cost-of-living raise, let alone any merit award.


I think we work together...
 
2014-04-17 09:31:54 AM  

fireclown: Well, I'm told that the answer is more football.

/save us, football!!!


This is the UMaine system we're talking about, so the correct answer would be hockey.  MOAR HOCKEY!
 
2014-04-17 09:46:27 AM  
I was going to QFT some of the comments in here, but the list got really long. The article didn't especially surprise me, but I am a little surprised (dismayed) that issues like this are becoming commonplace.

The public higher-education system really has been infected with CEO disease.
 
2014-04-17 09:49:02 AM  

Dog Welder: fireclown: Well, I'm told that the answer is more football.

/save us, football!!!

This is the UMaine system we're talking about, so the correct answer would be hockey.  MOAR HOCKEY!


Well, that and basketball...
 
2014-04-17 10:05:51 AM  
Why not? Half this country thinks the way to end childhood hunger is to buy the rich a four course meal.
 
2014-04-17 10:10:06 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: I like that idea, but I'd focus it on Freshman and Sophomores only. Anyone attending a university instead of a CC for their first two years of high school for adults can obviously afford to pay a little more.


I've wandered through academia a good bit, picking up a few degrees and a bunch of misc courses.   My last few forays have been into community colleges, and I'm liking them more and more.  Small classes, easy to navigate, surprisingly great facilities.  It looks like there was some kind of renaissance in them in the 15 years since I last attended one.
 
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