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2014-04-16 04:44:07 PM  

GoldSpider: Headso: you're asking how hyperbole is used to push a narrative in a fox news thread?

A fair point there, but nobody but pundits would float such ideas and be surprised when they aren't taken seriously.


 they just need to move the overton window not be taken seriously.
 
2014-04-16 04:46:11 PM  

GoldSpider: Then why are they always bloviating like we're on the edge of regressing into turn-of-the-century industrial lawlessness?


Because we are.  We are still allowing 10,000 people a year to be killed along the hydrocarbon supply chain, after all.
 
2014-04-16 04:47:42 PM  

tricycleracer: Slavery could be legal again and companies would still send jobs to China due to lax environmental regulations.

No one wins in a race to the bottom.


Well, if what matters isn't "how much capital you produce net" but "proportionately, how much richer am I than the poor people" you can "win".
 
2014-04-16 04:51:24 PM  

Graffito: sendtodave: The Scandinavian model works as long as everyone is Scandinavian.  Even there, friction comes up once you introduce a growing minority population of Brown People.

Ahh yes.  I'm sure by *Brown People* you meant Tea Party.


No, immigrant Muslims, obviously.
 
2014-04-16 04:57:34 PM  

Quasar: It's amazing how little it takes for conservatives to fawn over KGB dictators and Chinese business practices.


To be fair, the conservatives back before WWII were also utterly in love with the Facists.  http://suite.io/ivan-castro/5vjk28x
 
2014-04-16 04:59:13 PM  

Aldon: The funny thing is that if you are talking about things like Christmas paid holidays and official languages you do have an advantage dealing with those issues if most people think alike.  But things like big social advances or programs, it is better to realize not all people think like you so you can vote for what is better for the whole society.

That's the problem we have in the US illustrated in the healthcare debate.  People who have never been without health insurance or really sick think most people think like them and don't want the government to help with health insurance.  Anyone who thinks differently is a freeloader or lazy.

The point is realizing that people are different, have different experiences and needs helps with getting social programs working.  Thinking everyone is like you hurts the process of implementing social programs.


Why would you believe that people vote for something that doesn't benefit themselves directly, or people "like them?"  Even your example says otherwise.

"People like me don't need government help regarding health insurance.  People who are not like me are moochers."

Basically, social consciousness, and a willingness to help, extends only to "people who are like me."
 
2014-04-16 05:00:31 PM  

udhq: sendtodave: In China, for example, it's Chinese person, and non-Chinese person (foreigner). All other races are "foreigner." Secondarily, urban vs rural. Etc etc on down until you just are at "my family, not my family"

You do realize that China has hundreds of different native ethnicities, right?  And most of them don't care much for the Han.


Oh, sure.

That's part of the "etc.etc."
 
2014-04-16 05:00:43 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Quasar: It's amazing how little it takes for conservatives to fawn over KGB dictators and Chinese business practices.

To be fair, the conservatives back before WWII were also utterly in love with the Facists.  http://suite.io/ivan-castro/5vjk28x


To be fair, they still are.
 
2014-04-16 05:02:15 PM  

sendtodave: udhq: sendtodave: In China, for example, it's Chinese person, and non-Chinese person (foreigner). All other races are "foreigner." Secondarily, urban vs rural. Etc etc on down until you just are at "my family, not my family"

You do realize that China has hundreds of different native ethnicities, right?  And most of them don't care much for the Han.

Oh, sure.

That's part of the "etc.etc."


Yeah, but to argue that China is in any way "homogenous" just couldn't be further from the truth.
 
2014-04-16 05:03:45 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: mcreadyblue: Well, SS and Medicare are unstable past 20 years and I don't hear the Democrats suggesting the age limits for both be raised to 70.

Remove the FICA cap and cap payouts at median income and the "problem" is solved for the next century.


What about MediCare?
 
2014-04-16 05:03:47 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: udhq: sendtodave: Who, me? I'd love it.

I'm just not going to pretend that racism doesn't exist, and wouldn't be a real barrier, though, when it kinda even is in the model country.

This reminds me of the people in 2008 who were going on TV and saying things like "Oh, I would absolutely vote for a black president, I just don't think the rest of the country is ready."

To be fair, based on the reactions, a lot of people weren't.


Stop letting reality get in the way of a good narrative. Racism no longer exists, and it doesn't factor at all into whether or not policy gets enacted.
 
2014-04-16 05:04:45 PM  

somedude210: mcreadyblue: Well, SS and Medicare are unstable past 20 years and I don't hear the Democrats suggesting the age limits for both be raised to 70.

that's because that will just push it back out 20 years. Democrats have been pushing for getting rid of the cap of taxable income to more accurately reflect income these days and *poof* we're pretty fiscally secure.

...oh wait, you're just one of those people that don't like those greedy moochers getting hand outs from the government, aren't you?


What about MediCare?
 
2014-04-16 05:05:33 PM  

udhq: sendtodave: udhq: sendtodave: In China, for example, it's Chinese person, and non-Chinese person (foreigner). All other races are "foreigner." Secondarily, urban vs rural. Etc etc on down until you just are at "my family, not my family"

You do realize that China has hundreds of different native ethnicities, right?  And most of them don't care much for the Han.

Oh, sure.

That's part of the "etc.etc."

Yeah, but to argue that China is in any way "homogenous" just couldn't be further from the truth.


Wait, you mean they're not all Chinese like Sulu?

// Uighur, please
 
2014-04-16 05:06:36 PM  

udhq: sendtodave: udhq: sendtodave: In China, for example, it's Chinese person, and non-Chinese person (foreigner). All other races are "foreigner." Secondarily, urban vs rural. Etc etc on down until you just are at "my family, not my family"

You do realize that China has hundreds of different native ethnicities, right?  And most of them don't care much for the Han.

Oh, sure.

That's part of the "etc.etc."

Yeah, but to argue that China is in any way "homogenous" just couldn't be further from the truth.


No, it's still pretty much true, from an outsider's perspective.  Which is a valid perspective.  Outsiders are outsiders, they are the farthest "them" in "us versus them."

Does China have a million other ways to slice "us" versus "them?"  Sure.  Everyone does.  But one of the primary ones is racial.  One of the minority peoples would feel closer kinship with a Han person than with a black person, for example.
 
2014-04-16 05:06:38 PM  

KeatingFive: mcreadyblue: millsapian87: "It would be nice if we had that luxury," co-host Dana Perino answered. %ldquo;But the baby boomers have made sure we are going to be tied to our jobs for the rest of our lives and not benefit from Social Security and Medicare like they did."
That's highly amusing, because surely she knows who REALLY wants to destroy Social Security and Medicare: the GOP.

Well, SS and Medicare are unstable past 20 years and I don't hear the Democrats suggesting the age limits for both be raised to 70.

Because the age was raised in the 80's. It's time we stop insisting that sacrifices for the good of the whole country should only be made by those who can least afford to sacrifice.
This is biblical, people.


What about MediCare?
 
2014-04-16 05:07:27 PM  
theincidentaleconomist.com
 
2014-04-16 05:11:22 PM  

El Pachuco: The Scandinavian countries follow an economic system called the Nordic Model, which is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).  In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world."

The model is also described as a "universalist" welfare state (relative to other developed countries) which is aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy, promoting social mobility and ensuring the universal provision of basic human rights, as well as for stabilizing the economy; alongside a commitment to free trade. The Nordic model is distinguished from other types of welfare states by its emphasis on maximizing labor force participation, promoting gender equality, egalitarian and extensive benefit levels, the large magnitude of income redistribution, and liberal use of expansionary fiscal policy.

The United Nations World Happiness Report 2013 shows that the happiest nations are concentrated in Northern Europe. The Nordics ranked highest on the metrics of real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, generosity and freedom from corruption.

So, a system that aims for maximum labor force participation, with healthcare, higher education and housing for all citizens, that results in the happiest overall population and you can still become a millionaire if that's in your cards.  Why can't* the US do what Sweden does?

* because the US is designed more to help Mitt Romney put another million into his tax-free IRA account, and less to ensure that a single parent with two kids has access to affordable housing and healthcare, that's why.


Racist commentators will say the Nordic system works because it's homogeneous, not because of anything within the structure itself.
 
2014-04-16 05:16:53 PM  

sendtodave: No, it's still pretty much true, from an outsider's perspective. Which is a valid perspective. Outsiders are outsiders, they are the farthest "them" in "us versus them."

Does China have a million other ways to slice "us" versus "them?" Sure. Everyone does. But one of the primary ones is racial. One of the minority peoples would feel closer kinship with a Han person than with a black person, for example.


No.

Most Non-Han don't recognize such a thing as a "Chinese" national identity.  Heck, some of them like the Tibetans don't even recognize themselves as part of China.
 
2014-04-16 05:16:59 PM  
From my experience in China, some rings of who "us" is, in order:

People from the same village/city
People from the same Provence
---
Han Chinese people in China
Minority Chinese people in China
Chinese people around the world
---
foreigners (Chinese that don't speak the language)
foreigners (white)
foreigners (Korean)
foreigners (not white)
foreigners (black)
foreigners (Japanese)

I'm missing a bunch.  But, anyway, if the "chocolate city" of Africans in Guangzhou suddenly became citizens, poof!  Most Chinese would not fight for their equality.
 
2014-04-16 05:17:54 PM  

udhq: sendtodave: No, it's still pretty much true, from an outsider's perspective. Which is a valid perspective. Outsiders are outsiders, they are the farthest "them" in "us versus them."

Does China have a million other ways to slice "us" versus "them?" Sure. Everyone does. But one of the primary ones is racial. One of the minority peoples would feel closer kinship with a Han person than with a black person, for example.

No.

Most Non-Han don't recognize such a thing as a "Chinese" national identity.  Heck, some of them like the Tibetans don't even recognize themselves as part of China.


Tibetans are seen as backwards children that need education and modernization.

Like us and the Indians last century.
 
2014-04-16 05:21:07 PM  
This is not the early 1900s.  Without a minimium wage people would not be making a "dollar a week."  That's BS.   It would be around 3-4 dollars an hour, and competing against other workers,  they could stand to earn more.
 
2014-04-16 05:24:06 PM  

sendtodave: Tibetans are seen as backwards children that need education and modernization.

Like us and the Indians last century.


The Han view every minority in China as backwards and inferior.
 
2014-04-16 05:25:36 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Racist commentators will say the Nordic system works because it's homogeneous, not because of anything within the structure itself.


Besides the fact that Scandinavia is not at all homogeneous, the aforementioned naysayers also go with, "because (Scandinavia is different from the US in some ways) we can't possibly implement the smallest part of the Nordic Model in the US nope nossir noway."

I certainly agree that the US would not end up EXACTLY LIKE SWEDEN, and it never will be, but most Americans would be a lot better off if the US ended up more like Sweden than it is right now.  Let's take a few baby steps and see what happens, hmmm?
 
2014-04-16 05:27:31 PM  

udhq: The Han view every minority in China non-Han on the entire planet as backwards and inferior.

 
2014-04-16 05:30:08 PM  

udhq: sendtodave: Tibetans are seen as backwards children that need education and modernization.

Like us and the Indians last century.

The Han view every minority in China as backwards and inferior.


That's... Kinda my whole point.

Han see non-Han as "them." And make laws and policy based on that.

So do we.

So does everyone.
 
Ant
2014-04-16 05:30:38 PM  
Fox News is actually a front for the Communist Party! They're trying to remove all the safety valves preventing the lower class from revolting because they secretly want a worker's revolution.
 
2014-04-16 05:31:49 PM  

The_Man_On_The_Phone: This is not the early 1900s.  Without a minimium wage people would not be making a "dollar a week."  That's BS.   It would be around 3-4 dollars an hour, and competing against other workers,  they could stand to earn more.


Without a minimum wage, we'd see violently angry riots and the wealthy being shot in the street as scapegoats. There's no going back to the time when workers were absolute peons.
 
2014-04-16 05:32:46 PM  

Mr. Horse: udhq: The Han view every minority in China non-Han on the entire planet as backwards and inferior.


Now now. Be fair. They look up to rich white people. For now.
 
2014-04-16 05:46:11 PM  

The_Man_On_The_Phone: This is not the early 1900s.  Without a minimium wage people would not be making a "dollar a week."  That's BS.   It would be around 3-4 dollars an hour, and competing against other workers,  they could stand to earn more.


It will be a race to the bottom as people get more and more desperate and start to undercut each other because why should I pay you $2 when this guy over here has hungrier kids than you do and will work for $1 because it's better than nothing.
 
2014-04-16 05:49:18 PM  
It sounds like the 'tard from Fox is ready to volunteer to work for $1 for the rest of his life.  Let's see how that works out.

Sounds like the goal of all conservatives is to have the US turn into a third world banana republic.  No surprise given how GW and the republicans did a fine job of that during their six year reign of idiocy.
 
2014-04-16 05:50:16 PM  
sendtodave:
But, anyway, socialism works when everyone see  most everyone else as part of their in-group.  Whatever that in-group criteria is.

Sorry was in a meeting but just wanted to point out this is an insanely baseless assertion with absolutely no merit.
 
2014-04-16 05:53:40 PM  

Serious Black: El Pachuco: The Scandinavian countries follow an economic system called the Nordic Model, which is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).  In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world."

The model is also described as a "universalist" welfare state (relative to other developed countries) which is aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy, promoting social mobility and ensuring the universal provision of basic human rights, as well as for stabilizing the economy; alongside a commitment to free trade. The Nordic model is distinguished from other types of welfare states by its emphasis on maximizing labor force participation, promoting gender equality, egalitarian and extensive benefit levels, the large magnitude of income redistribution, and liberal use of expansionary fiscal policy.

The United Nations World Happiness Report 2013 shows that the happiest nations are concentrated in Northern Europe. The Nordics ranked highest on the metrics of real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, generosity and freedom from corruption.

So, a system that aims for maximum labor force participation, with healthcare, higher education and housing for all citizens, that results in the happiest overall population and you can still become a millionaire if that's in your cards.   Why can't* the US do what Sweden does?

* because the US is designed more to help Mitt Romney put another million into his tax-free IRA account, and less to ensure that a single parent with two kids has access to affordable housing and healthcare, that's why.

I do appreciate your answer, but here's one straigh ...


"Homogenous population" - translation, fark the black people and the hispanics...
 
2014-04-16 06:07:23 PM  

The_Man_On_The_Phone: This is not the early 1900s.  Without a minimium wage people would not be making a "dollar a week."  That's BS.   It would be around 3-4 dollars an hour


Oh, well THAT changes everything!
 
2014-04-16 06:07:30 PM  
 
2014-04-16 06:08:25 PM  
You know what?  fark it.

These people should be killed.  They're too stupid to be beaten.
 
2014-04-16 06:10:28 PM  

SquiggsIN: El Pachuco: * because the US is designed more to help Mitt Romney put another million into his tax-free IRA account, and less to ensure that a single parent with two kids has access to affordable housing and healthcare, that's why.

Of course it is.  We've been electing Mitt Romney's for centuries and that's gone a long way toward ensuring that Mitt Romney's benefit from the system and keep getting elected to ensure that next generation's Mitt Romney's have a hand up.

Incumbency needs to die.  Legalized bribery needs to die.  Term limits need mandated or it continues in any and all political parties that exist or will exist.


The only real way to deal with the corruption of incumbency is to also get rid of lobbying altogether.  If you force term limits, but allow lobbying to continue, then people who are elected will only look towards the future and do what the biggest (and well funded) lobbyists want, in the hope that they will be rewarded at the end of their term limit (usually with a high paying position or as a lobbyist themselves).  They won't give a shiat about serving the people that elect them to the office that they would hold.
 
2014-04-16 06:11:08 PM  
Here, here!

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2014-04-16 06:24:24 PM  

Serious Black: UrukHaiGuyz: sendtodave: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: I do appreciate your answer, but here's one straight from the horse's mouth as to why we can't do it: "[A] lot of liberal proposals essentially ask us to assume that American government - the quasi-imperial government of a vast, diverse, immigrant-heavy continent of three hundred million people - can somehow, in some future dispensation, approach the efficiency of welfare states administered on a much smaller scale and for a much more homogenous population."

So the answer is "we have too many black folks and messicans to do things like Sweden". Nice.

You were expecting something else?

Homogeneity breeds a sense of oneness.  Again, look at China.

"Harmonious society."

That's no solution at all. We shouldn't abandon good ideas before we abandon bigotry. Americans are composed of a mixed up gumbo of people from all over the world, most of whom are able to assimilate within a generation. We should be better able than any Nordic country (where diversity is less common) to realize that surface differences aren't all that important.

That's the problem word right there. Just because we think something should be done doesn't mean it will be done. And a lot of people have different opinions on what should be done. I suspect there is a not-so-insignificant number of people in America that think we should bring back slavery to civilize the heathen.


Seeing how members of a certain political party and political way of thought have continued to argue that 'slavery wasn't so bad' and that if their constituents asked him to, that he would 'vote to reinstate slavery', I think you're right on the money with that thought.
 
2014-04-16 06:32:45 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Quasar: It's amazing how little it takes for conservatives to fawn over KGB dictators and Chinese business practices.

To be fair, the conservatives back before WWII were also utterly in love with the Facists.  http://suite.io/ivan-castro/5vjk28x


Which is one reason why 'The Business Plot' was even thought of back during FDR.  Hell, if it hadn't been for a general with actual love for his country, they might have actually succeeded.
 
2014-04-16 06:33:08 PM  

Tigger: sendtodave:
But, anyway, socialism works when everyone see  most everyone else as part of their in-group.  Whatever that in-group criteria is.

Sorry was in a meeting but just wanted to point out this is an insanely baseless assertion with absolutely no merit.


So is socialism, historically.
 
2014-04-16 06:40:03 PM  

sendtodave: Tigger: sendtodave:
But, anyway, socialism works when everyone see  most everyone else as part of their in-group.  Whatever that in-group criteria is.

Sorry was in a meeting but just wanted to point out this is an insanely baseless assertion with absolutely no merit.

So is socialism, historically.


hurrwut


Pretty sure socialism already works in the limited capacity we enjoy now, and would have been a much larger part of our system now if not for successful attempts to quash it. See= Eugene Debs, the Espionage Act, the 20s, the 30s, WWII, etc.
 
2014-04-16 06:41:26 PM  
Subby:
1st, pathetic attempt at trolling.  -324/10.  Read your article before submitting it.  If English eludes you, try translating it into something you understand, like a picture book, because you obviously are lacking in reading comprehension.

The discussion, and it was Bob Beckel who made the quote there, was trying to make a point.  The point was labor laws don't always help, nor do minimum wages.  Nobody is suggesting we go back to the bad old days of early industrialization.  Nobody is suggesting we eliminate the minimum wage.  The host was pointing out that China, despite its lack of labor laws and minimum wage, has tremendous productivity and a good economy.  Discussion: two or more people talking about a topic and making different points about things.  And they didn't even resort to "shut up" or "go kill yourself" like is often seen on Fark, especially from Fark Liberals (tm).

2nd, your attempt to make a commentator represent the views on Fox News is stupid.  I could say the same thing about commentators from MSNBC or CNN, but they don't represent all the views at those stations either.  Otherwise, MSNBC would be in some serious trouble considering who they have as commentators, such as Donald Schulz.

Lastly, for everyone, I would say that productivity is a very complex issue.  Besides just labor laws and minimum wage, which is really meant for teenagers getting summer jobs and the like, not for adults trying to live (I would support a 2 tier minimum wage- 1 for minors, 1 for adults), you have to look at cultural attitudes towards work.  We work hard in America and have a work ethic that goes all the way back to those Puritan bastages who settled here.  If you want to blame anyone for not having 31 paid days off, paid maternity leave, etc., blame the Puritans.  The problem that I see today is that same work ethic is simply non-existent in today's society in America like it used to be.  There is a sense of entitlement that exists on some level in each succeeding generation.  Fewer people are starting new businesses, fewer people are willing to put in an extra hour or two in order to help out the company, etc.  I won't deny that lack of incentive isn't a problem; it is.  Wages aren't going up and companies are still sitting on a huge amount of capital instead of investing it or sharing it with their workers.  If you want your workers to actually work, then you have to compensate them appropriately.  That's why some of the best companies to work for are the best paying companies with the best benefits.

As labor laws, it isn't the labor laws themselves that are the problem.  Its the red tape that is created in ensuring compliance.  That's where the extra costs are.  If you could find a way to reduce the red tape, it would be worth it.  There is also some overlap between government agencies that could, for the price of one, cover both issues.  Workplace safety: does EPA and OSHA both have to have separate forms, or can OSHA handle it.  Same with disposal of wastes, OSHA and EPA both have regulations that cover the same type of waste handling.  Wouldn't it make more sense to consolidate?

And lastly, if all you farkers would stop looking a porn at work, we could get a lot more done around here!
 
2014-04-16 06:41:45 PM  

whidbey: sendtodave: Tigger: sendtodave:
But, anyway, socialism works when everyone see  most everyone else as part of their in-group.  Whatever that in-group criteria is.

Sorry was in a meeting but just wanted to point out this is an insanely baseless assertion with absolutely no merit.

So is socialism, historically.

hurrwut


Pretty sure socialism already works in the limited capacity we enjoy now, and would have been a much larger part of our system now if not for successful attempts to quash it. See= Eugene Debs, the Espionage Act, the 20s, the 30s, WWII, etc.


I was just trollin there.
 
2014-04-16 06:42:54 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The point was labor laws don't always help, nor do minimum wages


lolwut

Lastly, for everyone, I would say that productivity is a very complex issue.

No it isn't. It's a very simple issue: pay people living wages.
 
2014-04-16 06:46:15 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Which is one reason why 'The Business Plot' was even thought of back during FDR. Hell, if it hadn't been for a general with actual love for his country, they might have actually succeeded.


farking hell. I knew about it before, but the stuff under Reaction to Roosevelt sounds like the exact same bullshiat they're spewing today.

"campaign promise that the government would provide jobs for all the unemployed had the perverse effect of creating a new wave of unemployment by businessmen frightened by fears of socialism and reckless government spending."
 
2014-04-16 06:52:46 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Nobody is suggesting we eliminate the minimum wage.


The ranking Republican on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee has expressed, on the record, his support for eliminating the minimum wage. That ain't nobody. And I would imagine he isn't alone with his opinion.
 
2014-04-16 07:00:16 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bobothemagnificent: Nobody is suggesting we eliminate the minimum wage.

The ranking Republican on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee has expressed, on the record, his support for eliminating the minimum wage. That ain't nobody. And I would imagine he isn't alone with his opinion.


That doesn't count, apparently.
 
2014-04-16 07:04:18 PM  

whidbey: bobothemagnificent: The point was labor laws don't always help, nor do minimum wages

lolwut

Lastly, for everyone, I would say that productivity is a very complex issue.

No it isn't. It's a very simple issue: pay people living wages.


Yes, it IS a complex issue.  You can't compare China and U.S., the cultures are radically different.  It would be like comparing apples and celery sticks.  Pay is only one part of the picture.  It might be the most important part, but it isn't the only part.  You can offer great pay and get nothing done if people aren't motivated to work.  At that point, the company goes under and nobody has a job.  At the same time, if the pay issue is so bad, people wouldn't work for that company.  The company would go under because it couldn't maintain a workforce. The problem in the U.S. is that there is nothing the government can do, other than setting the minimum wage at an absolutely ridiculous amount of money, to make a company pay its workers more.  Workers can't quit because then they have the potential to lose everything, so companies have no motivation to pay more than what they're paying now.  If personal debt was reduced or eliminated, I bet you would see some increase in pay because that would give workers some wiggle room.  The real problem isn't that pay isn't increasing, its that workers aren't as free to switch to higher paying due to higher debt, taxes, etc.  That prevents competition for the best workers, which in return will increase pay.

And don't forget watching porn on the job.  That always reduces productivity.

In China you can pay them next to nothing because when you have nothing, that pittance is better than what they have now.
 
2014-04-16 07:07:26 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bobothemagnificent: Nobody is suggesting we eliminate the minimum wage.

The ranking Republican on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee has expressed, on the record, his support for eliminating the minimum wage. That ain't nobody. And I would imagine he isn't alone with his opinion.


Nobody in the article is suggesting that.  Clarification given.
 
2014-04-16 07:09:47 PM  
So, when do we burn Eric Bolling at the stake?
 
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