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(Yahoo)   Crimeans who were excited about being annexed by Russia a month ago are rapidly discovering that they somehow forgot that Russian is a decaying, corrupt, shiathole of a country run by an unaccountable autocrat and a dysfunctional bureaucracy   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 32
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2014-04-16 02:04:37 PM  
7 votes:
FTFA: "It all would be funny if it hadn't been so sad."

And isn't that pretty much the whole history of Russia in one bathetic sentence?
2014-04-16 02:58:35 PM  
5 votes:

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.


Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?
2014-04-16 02:22:38 PM  
5 votes:

bonobo73: Summary of FA:  transitioning rapidly from country to another means changing from one set of currency, laws and national identification and is likely to cause turmoil, disruption, and problems.

But, since this is Russia we are talking about, obviously this is all Putin's fault.


If by 'transitioning', you mean invaded, conquered and the region losing its collective ass due to a loss of tourist dollars, you'd be correct.
2014-04-16 02:08:13 PM  
5 votes:

LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!


Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.
2014-04-16 06:03:05 PM  
4 votes:

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.


He's probably talking about how, for years now, whenever a Putin news story crops up Con commentor immediately start spooging themselves going on about how manly a leader Putin is.

And Obama hasn't been "outplayed". Threatening an immediate military response when the US military is 1) currently occupied elsewhere 2)stretched thin and 3) possessed of zero plans for a rapid redeployment to Eastern Europe would have not only been stupid, but catastrophic, and also an obvious wrong-footed bluff Putin would have immediately called. That's what being out-played would have looked like(see the Bush admin's goading of Georgia, then their sullen retreat from supporting its aspirations when Putin backed his separatist clients with Russian military units).

Instead of doing that, entirely idiotic and embarrassing, thing, Obama stated straight-up that we wouldn't guarantee Ukraine's borders, but that Russia was going to get hit with sanctions for this behavior, and that every step in the direction of re-establishing their old Imperial holdings will isolate them further from Europe and the world economy. He then went to work convincing the Europeans to back him on this stance and frequent Russian allies to remain hands-off, something he has so far been successful in.

The result has been significant harm to the Russian economy, a reduction in force-numbers on the Ukrainian border, and clear messages from EU members that Russian revision of its borders will not be tolerated, a clear statement from China that they will not support Russia if it gets itself into the shiat over this, a distancing from Russia by its closest Central Asian allies, and Russia's hesitancy over the last two days to send in overt units to support their covert disruption teams as Ukraine begins tentatively securing strategic sites in its East. At the same time, Obama has been increasing economic and military support for Ukraine, moving the 6th fleet into active patrols in the Black Sea(which obviously worries the Russians, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to intimidate our ships with fly-bys), and probably installing some active Drone units in NATO allies like Poland and Moldova. To sum it up, he's taking all the steps he is actually capable of taking to discourage Putin's aggression, to make it painful for him, and to position us and our NATO allies for a more substantive response in Putin acts like a complete idiot and pushes forward with this.

In truth, Obama has responded to this very difficult and challenging situation very well. Obviously, our response isn't what the Ukrainians want, but jumping heedlessly into a shooting war with a nuclear power, at a time when our historic European allies(whose support we could never economically maintain a mil campaign against Russian aggression in that part of the world without) aren't in the best economic position and would likely balk without significant discussion, encouragement, and inclusion, or heated but ridiculous and empty saber rattling would have literally been the absolute worst response to the situation. We have certain interests, standing up for Ukrainian sovereignty is one of them(but certainly not the most important in our view), and Obama's done a respectable job so far of protecting and furthering them.
2014-04-16 02:05:32 PM  
4 votes:

Red_Fox: Tourism?  They just got taken over by Russia, a war could break out, and they thought they'd be getting tourists?

/lol


They 'had' a thriving tourist trade before Russia invaded and took over.  Now?  Well, wealthy Russians were already vacationing there before the take-over, but now fewer Russians want to do so because conquered territory, unstable government, talk of insurgents and guerrilla fighters.

Combine that with the complete loss of Ukrainian tourists and the loss of business related to Russia's idiocy and its impact on their economy and their whole economic base is turning to shiat.
2014-04-16 02:02:30 PM  
4 votes:
Tourism?  They just got taken over by Russia, a war could break out, and they thought they'd be getting tourists?

/lol
2014-04-16 03:06:29 PM  
3 votes:

spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.


Paid-shill like typing detected.   The give aways are claiming the Government is run by the Right Sector, whose leader, btw Ukrainian police shot dead in a gunfight less than a month ago, and then falsely claiming Ukraine parliament had passed a law which everyone who DOESN'T get their news from Pravda knows is untrue.

Seriously, up your game if you want to be even a halfway decent quisling
2014-04-16 01:58:17 PM  
3 votes:
In other words, a massive upgrade over Ukraine?
2014-04-16 02:54:59 PM  
2 votes:

To The Escape Zeppelin!: They lose Ukrainian citizenship how? Russia can't invalidate Ukrainian citizenship and passports, only Ukraine can do that.


Russia can decide to not let them out.


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If you are no longer a Ukraine citizen then there's no grounds to challenge a decision from the Kremlin.
2014-04-16 02:38:39 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA: For those who want to keep their Ukrainian citizenship, however, authorities have set up a byzantine process and a strict deadline of Apr. 18 to do so. Those who don't meet the deadline automatically become Russian citizens.

Congratualtions comrade, you are now Russian whether you like it or not.

Democratic my arse
2014-04-16 02:35:41 PM  
2 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.

The West wasn't backing them.  That was kinda part of the reason their economy wasn't doing hot.  Russia was offering a deal, but the asking price was basically economic dependence on Russia.

The EU was hemming and hawing over trade deals because of corruption and economic issues.  All these loan guarantees and economic aid packages weren't even being considered until Russia got all 19th century.


And the reason the West was weary was the Pro-Russian government was corrupt and essentially bleeding the government dry.
2014-04-16 02:31:14 PM  
2 votes:

spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.


The West wasn't backing them.  That was kinda part of the reason their economy wasn't doing hot.  Russia was offering a deal, but the asking price was basically economic dependence on Russia.

The EU was hemming and hawing over trade deals because of corruption and economic issues.  All these loan guarantees and economic aid packages weren't even being considered until Russia got all 19th century.
2014-04-16 02:00:58 PM  
2 votes:

RumsfeldsReplacement: In other words, a massive upgrade over Ukraine?


I think a 30% rise in food prices pretty much is the opposite of an upgrade.
2014-04-16 02:00:43 PM  
2 votes:
But the tea party loves him!
2014-04-16 12:47:15 PM  
2 votes:
Well, why don't you just weep excessively for me to the point that it creates a flowing torrent of water...maybe a stream or something...look, I've really lost the thread on this one.
2014-04-16 08:46:32 PM  
1 votes:

FTGodWin: Gee, there's a proxy war between the CIA and the KGB over the impending death of the petrodollar, and all the idiots around here talk about are the machinations of puppets.

This is about geopolitical choke-holds (aka "power") and nothing more. Every move, by both sides comes at ALL of our expense.

Zbignew wrote "The Grand Chessboard" long enough ago that you've no excuse not to have read it if you think you're qualified to comment in these threads.


Anyone qualified to comment on these threads wouldn't be wasting their time reading Fark. They would be doing whatever it is that smart, successful people do. Working probably.
2014-04-16 08:20:26 PM  
1 votes:

Grahor: Oh yeah, all those problems were pretty farking obvious for everyone and his brother even before the referendum, they were described in the Crimean news before the referendum, and the population and everyone knew exactly where they are going. For example, it was warned long beforehand that nobody should try ANY estate deals for at least half a year after the switch because there will not be the law to recognize the legality of the deal.

*shrug* I don't care. They were warned, they wanted it, they got it. Let them push through it the best they can.


Well, a handful of them wanted it.

Everyone else?  Well as we all know it's not about the votes, it's about who counts them.
2014-04-16 06:19:22 PM  
1 votes:

TheBigJerk: All2morrowsparTs: Wicked Chinchilla: spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.

The West wasn't backing them.  That was kinda part of the reason their economy wasn't doing hot.  Russia was offering a deal, but the asking price was basically economic dependence on Russia.

The EU was hemming and hawing over trade deals because of corruption and economic issues.  All these loan guarantees and economic aid packages weren't even being considered until Russia got all 19th century.

And the reason the West was weary was the Pro-Russian government was corrupt and essentially bleeding the government dry.

Token point; the OTHER government officials and candidates were all corrupt motherfarkers too.  They just had a tendency to actually spend that stolen money domestically.


Not really, or at least, not to the same extent. Yanukovych built himself something like 12 full-on palaces all over the country, and was seizing successful businesses and handing them over to his family. He literally bankrupted Ukraine by robbing the treasury to fund his own lavish lifestyle and to buy political support. He also outlawed all manner of political participation, protest acts, and political parties, forcing those who opposed his regime to join the far right if they didn't want to get arrested for being involved in politics, then calling them nazis for the affiliation he has forced on them. The folks before Yanukovych were indisputably EU bank shills and many were personally bandits or corrupt as well, but Yanukovych was head-and-shoulders above them all. He was a straight-up property-seizing, revenue embezzling, mob-friendly, free-speech suppressing tyrant.
2014-04-16 03:57:34 PM  
1 votes:
Russian central bank or European central bank, either way the Ukrainian people are going to get screwed like everyone else by bankers who like to fund both sides then steal the real things of wealth or value leaving a nation of debt slaves, Enjoy.
2014-04-16 03:45:48 PM  
1 votes:

bonobo73: Summary of FA:  transitioning rapidly from country to another means changing from one set of currency, laws and national identification and is likely to cause turmoil, disruption, and problems.

But, since this is Russia we are talking about, obviously this is all Putin's fault.


It kind of is.  They invaded another country and annexed territory.    If you want to see what a real transition of territory between governments looks like, take a look at how Hong Kong was handled.  There are always rough edges, but nothing close to Crimea.

So yes, it was Russia's fault because they decided to just bypass the entire legal process and seize Crimea.
2014-04-16 03:02:25 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.

Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?


Putin is winning if you view the world as a giant Risk board where the only things that matter are how many tanks you have and how much territory you've captured.
2014-04-16 02:53:58 PM  
1 votes:
So these people are disappointed in the hope and change they were promised? Bummer.
2014-04-16 02:41:22 PM  
1 votes:
This is why people ethnically cleanse, so this shiat doesn't happen. After Ukraine because it's own lovely state they should have either deported the Russians or made them disappear.  Then there wouldn't be this problem.

Wait  what point was I making? Ah yes. Stalin sucks and Putin sucks.

I think. I'm just kind of prattling now....

/Do not do genocide. It should be said but just in case people don't read a very bad facetious statement.
2014-04-16 02:27:33 PM  
1 votes:
I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.
2014-04-16 02:20:09 PM  
1 votes:
Summary of FA:  transitioning rapidly from country to another means changing from one set of currency, laws and national identification and is likely to cause turmoil, disruption, and problems.

But, since this is Russia we are talking about, obviously this is all Putin's fault.
2014-04-16 02:13:07 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-04-16 02:09:29 PM  
1 votes:
So a repeat of 65 years ago?  Colour me shocked.
2014-04-16 02:04:18 PM  
1 votes:

Chris Ween: I wonder how they feel about the light charge?


Putin to the right of them
Putin to the left of them
Putin in front of the them
They think the man really needs to lose some weight
2014-04-16 02:03:07 PM  
1 votes:

RumsfeldsReplacement: In other words, a massive upgrade over Ukraine?


Ukraine appears to have been being exploited by Russia leading up to these events, hence the former Ukrainian President who may have stolen up to $80 billion cut out and ran across the border to Russia for protection.
2014-04-16 01:19:31 PM  
1 votes:
Lacrimate me a tributary.
2014-04-16 12:52:52 PM  
1 votes:

CRIMEA RIVER!!!

 
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