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(Yahoo)   Crimeans who were excited about being annexed by Russia a month ago are rapidly discovering that they somehow forgot that Russian is a decaying, corrupt, shiathole of a country run by an unaccountable autocrat and a dysfunctional bureaucracy   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 101
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2014-04-16 02:53:11 PM
"Life is pain, life is fear, and man is unhappy." -- Fyodor Doestoyevsky

It's so rare I get an appropriate chance to use that one, and it always makes me smile.
 
2014-04-16 02:53:34 PM

WordsnCollision: FloridaFarkTag: Yeah, but, the new Attorney General is a hottie, and has her own My Little Pony character...so Russia better...amirite?

[thenypost.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]

/The prosecutor-general in question


That's good, but recently released from prison former PM Yulia Tymoshenko has a hug pillow.
(reversible depending on whether you prefer her at different points in her career, like Elvis)
img1.ak.crunchyroll.com
 
2014-04-16 02:53:58 PM
So these people are disappointed in the hope and change they were promised? Bummer.
 
2014-04-16 02:54:59 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: They lose Ukrainian citizenship how? Russia can't invalidate Ukrainian citizenship and passports, only Ukraine can do that.


Russia can decide to not let them out.


img.fark.net

If you are no longer a Ukraine citizen then there's no grounds to challenge a decision from the Kremlin.
 
2014-04-16 02:57:14 PM

calbert: CRIMEA RIVER!!!


Wow, that's original.
 
2014-04-16 02:58:35 PM

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.


Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?
 
2014-04-16 03:02:25 PM

RexTalionis: MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.

Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?


Putin is winning if you view the world as a giant Risk board where the only things that matter are how many tanks you have and how much territory you've captured.
 
2014-04-16 03:04:07 PM
I think this is exactly what would happen if the potato states were to actually SECDEE from the United States. "Umm, we want freedumz, but we don't want to live in this shiathole of our own making."
 
2014-04-16 03:05:31 PM

Infernalist: bonobo73: Summary of FA:  transitioning rapidly from country to another means changing from one set of currency, laws and national identification and is likely to cause turmoil, disruption, and problems.

But, since this is Russia we are talking about, obviously this is all Putin's fault.

If by 'transitioning', you mean invaded, conquered and the region losing its collective ass due to a loss of tourist dollars, you'd be correct.


In the context of those Crimeans who are happy about the change, the difficulties currently experienced are "what they signed up for."  At least so far.
 
2014-04-16 03:06:29 PM

spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.


Paid-shill like typing detected.   The give aways are claiming the Government is run by the Right Sector, whose leader, btw Ukrainian police shot dead in a gunfight less than a month ago, and then falsely claiming Ukraine parliament had passed a law which everyone who DOESN'T get their news from Pravda knows is untrue.

Seriously, up your game if you want to be even a halfway decent quisling
 
2014-04-16 03:13:46 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Wicked Chinchilla: spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.

The West wasn't backing them.  That was kinda part of the reason their economy wasn't doing hot.  Russia was offering a deal, but the asking price was basically economic dependence on Russia.

The EU was hemming and hawing over trade deals because of corruption and economic issues.  All these loan guarantees and economic aid packages weren't even being considered until Russia got all 19th century.

And the reason the West was weary was the Pro-Russian government was corrupt and essentially bleeding the government dry.


Token point; the OTHER government officials and candidates were all corrupt motherfarkers too.  They just had a tendency to actually spend that stolen money domestically.
 
2014-04-16 03:15:11 PM

RexTalionis: MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.

Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?


The Republican universe - I.E. the one where Obama is an empty suit dictator.
 
2014-04-16 03:18:16 PM

Infernalist: RumsfeldsReplacement: In other words, a massive upgrade over Ukraine?

I think a 30% rise in food prices pretty much is the opposite of an upgrade.


Upgrades gonna be so mad.
 
2014-04-16 03:19:21 PM

cameroncrazy1984: RexTalionis: MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.

Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?

The Republican universe - I.E. the one where Obama is an empty suit dictator.


Isn't Obama supposed to wear mom jeans in this fantasy universe?
 
2014-04-16 03:21:22 PM
fc01.deviantart.net
 
2014-04-16 03:22:53 PM

RexTalionis: MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.

Question:

About 5 months ago, Russia had a friendly puppet in control of Ukraine and its parliament. They had favorable gas deals in place that keeps Ukraine under their thumb for the foreseeable future.

Today, Russia has no real control over Ukraine except for a tiny sliver of backwater that is the Crimean peninsula. And to get it, all they had to sacrifice was about 90 billion dollars in foreign capital investment and pretty much its GDP growth outlook for the year, a looming economic recession, plus a further unwillingness by the Western countries to deal with Russia.

Tell me - in what universe is Putin willing? In what universe has he outplayed anyone?


More than that the European trade deal that the Obama regime has been negotiating got a whole lot easier. The US will be selling liquid natural gas to the Europeans for decades to come.
 
2014-04-16 03:23:33 PM
Holy crap. We can infer from the article that Ukrainian university students were actually much better off than Canadian university students. Check this quotation out: At one Simferopol university, political science students joked that they might have to become migrant laborers in Russia or work in a McDonald's restaurant. In Canada, that is not even a question. Political science majors expect to work part time minimum wage jobs and actually compete for McDonald's positions. They compete for them. The implication is that Ukrainian students were fighting as hard as they could to avoid becoming like Canada.

Even more depressing, it is still merely a joke that they might have to work at McD's. Only a joke.

What the fark is wrong with Canada.
 
2014-04-16 03:25:40 PM
Oh yeah, all those problems were pretty farking obvious for everyone and his brother even before the referendum, they were described in the Crimean news before the referendum, and the population and everyone knew exactly where they are going. For example, it was warned long beforehand that nobody should try ANY estate deals for at least half a year after the switch because there will not be the law to recognize the legality of the deal.

*shrug* I don't care. They were warned, they wanted it, they got it. Let them push through it the best they can.
 
2014-04-16 03:32:24 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Holy crap. We can infer from the article that Ukrainian university students were actually much better off than Canadian university students. Check this quotation out: At one Simferopol university, political science students joked that they might have to become migrant laborers in Russia or work in a McDonald's restaurant. In Canada, that is not even a question. Political science majors expect to work part time minimum wage jobs and actually compete for McDonald's positions. They compete for them. The implication is that Ukrainian students were fighting as hard as they could to avoid becoming like Canada.

Even more depressing, it is still merely a joke that they might have to work at McD's. Only a joke.

What the fark is wrong with Canada.


Supply and Demand.
 
2014-04-16 03:33:20 PM
Wait, what? You mean all those sweet Boobies at Kazantip Beach and Rock Festival won't be on display this summer?
NSFW
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kazantip+girls
 
2014-04-16 03:35:01 PM
That moment when you know you backed the wrong pony, but you're stuck riding it..
 
2014-04-16 03:41:03 PM
Fartbama is the president of Russia?
 
2014-04-16 03:45:48 PM

bonobo73: Summary of FA:  transitioning rapidly from country to another means changing from one set of currency, laws and national identification and is likely to cause turmoil, disruption, and problems.

But, since this is Russia we are talking about, obviously this is all Putin's fault.


It kind of is.  They invaded another country and annexed territory.    If you want to see what a real transition of territory between governments looks like, take a look at how Hong Kong was handled.  There are always rough edges, but nothing close to Crimea.

So yes, it was Russia's fault because they decided to just bypass the entire legal process and seize Crimea.
 
2014-04-16 03:48:46 PM
Life on the Black Sea peninsula, for most if not all its residents, has been turned upside down,

What they need to do is yell to Putin "Yo, smell ya later"
And move in with their auntie and uncle in Bel-air
 
2014-04-16 03:57:34 PM
Russian central bank or European central bank, either way the Ukrainian people are going to get screwed like everyone else by bankers who like to fund both sides then steal the real things of wealth or value leaving a nation of debt slaves, Enjoy.
 
2014-04-16 04:04:31 PM

KeatingFive: So, they're smarter than Teabaggers by a long shot.


You forgot 'less racist' too.

..and less bad in bed.
 
2014-04-16 04:11:00 PM

flynn80: Russian central bank or European central bank, either way the Ukrainian people are going to get screwed like everyone else by bankers who like to fund both sides then steal the real things of wealth or value leaving a nation of debt slaves, Enjoy.


Both EU and Russia are bad
 
2014-04-16 04:23:51 PM

flynn80: Russian central bank or European central bank, either way the Ukrainian people are going to get screwed like everyone else by bankers who like to fund both sides then steal the real things of wealth or value leaving a nation of debt slaves, Enjoy.


Sneakily, this is probably the smartest thing posted on fark today.
 
2014-04-16 04:29:51 PM
Gee, there's a proxy war between the CIA and the KGB over the impending death of the petrodollar, and all the idiots around here talk about are the machinations of puppets.

This is about geopolitical choke-holds (aka "power") and nothing more. Every move, by both sides comes at ALL of our expense.

Zbignew wrote "The Grand Chessboard" long enough ago that you've no excuse not to have read it if you think you're qualified to comment in these threads.
 
2014-04-16 04:30:21 PM

zimbach: WordsnCollision: FloridaFarkTag: Yeah, but, the new Attorney General is a hottie, and has her own My Little Pony character...so Russia better...amirite?

[thenypost.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]

/The prosecutor-general in question

That's good, but recently released from prison former PM Yulia Tymoshenko has a hug pillow.
(reversible depending on whether you prefer her at different points in her career, like Elvis)


I still prefer my AG hottie. Yulia is pretty...but the Star Wars hair is a bit of a turn off
 
2014-04-16 04:36:28 PM

SquiggsIN: flynn80: Russian central bank or European central bank, either way the Ukrainian people are going to get screwed like everyone else by bankers who like to fund both sides then steal the real things of wealth or value leaving a nation of debt slaves, Enjoy.

Sneakily, this is probably the smartest thing posted on fark today.




Government take over or corporate take over. Pick your poison carefully, folks.
 
2014-04-16 04:37:10 PM

FloridaFarkTag: zimbach: WordsnCollision: FloridaFarkTag: Yeah, but, the new Attorney General is a hottie, and has her own My Little Pony character...so Russia better...amirite?

[thenypost.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]

/The prosecutor-general in question

That's good, but recently released from prison former PM Yulia Tymoshenko has a hug pillow.
(reversible depending on whether you prefer her at different points in her career, like Elvis)

I still prefer my AG hottie. Yulia is pretty...but the Star Wars hair is a bit of a turn off


Better than if she had Star Trek hair, though, amirite?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-16 04:44:47 PM
You know who else was expected to liberate Ukrainians but wasn't very nice to them after all?
 
2014-04-16 04:50:49 PM

ZAZ: You know who else was expected to liberate Ukrainians but wasn't very nice to them after all?


Putin
 
2014-04-16 05:08:19 PM

Delta1212: the only things that matter are how many tanks you have and how much territory you've captured.


He'll never win the UN election for World Leader, so his backup plan should be sending a sleeper ship to Alpha Centauri.
 
2014-04-16 05:15:54 PM

LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!


And UKip. And French National Front. And Breivik
 
2014-04-16 05:23:57 PM

a2revolver: [img.fark.net image 400x373]


I knew somebody would beat me to it.
 
2014-04-16 05:36:02 PM

LewDux: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

And UKip. And French National Front. And Breivik


What about the people's front of Judea?

/ this entire thing is political Kabuki theater. We should be spending time taking care of our own shiatty system
 
2014-04-16 05:44:29 PM
Delta1212:

Putin is winning if you view the world as a giant Risk board where the only things that matter are how many tanks you have and how much territory you've captured.

Which seems to be largely how Putin views the world.

I can't wait for them to hit another country, not Ukraine, that's a given, but some other blahbityblahistan. When people start comparing them to Nazi Germany, gobbling up small, weak nations (like some Baltic shiathole), I have dibs on the term "glacier war". (It's a much better strategy in the long-run. Instead of taking lots of territory in a blitzkrieg and then having to hold it with troops, they can drum up nationalism and use local militias to do the minimum of social policing necessary. They can take time to iron out the wrinkles.)

Might take a while for people to realize Putin is basically a supervillain bent on world domination though, going to be a long time before they run out of places they can claim "used to be Russian and still are Russian because reasons."
 
2014-04-16 05:55:00 PM
iheartscotch:

/ this entire thing is political Kabuki theater.

Both Vladimir and Yulia are men?
 
2014-04-16 05:58:45 PM

iheartscotch: What about the people's front of Judea?

/ this entire thing is political Kabuki theater. We should be spending time taking care of our own shiatty system


System wasn't so shiatty before we started trying to fix it.

/it will only get shiattier
 
2014-04-16 06:03:05 PM

MyRandomName: LarryDan43: But the tea party loves him!

Once again. Acknowledging that the Seahawks beat the shiat out of the Broncos does not make one a Seahawks fan. Acknowledging Obama has been badly outplayed does not make one a Putin fan. Refusing to acknowledge facts does make you an ignorant fanboy.


He's probably talking about how, for years now, whenever a Putin news story crops up Con commentor immediately start spooging themselves going on about how manly a leader Putin is.

And Obama hasn't been "outplayed". Threatening an immediate military response when the US military is 1) currently occupied elsewhere 2)stretched thin and 3) possessed of zero plans for a rapid redeployment to Eastern Europe would have not only been stupid, but catastrophic, and also an obvious wrong-footed bluff Putin would have immediately called. That's what being out-played would have looked like(see the Bush admin's goading of Georgia, then their sullen retreat from supporting its aspirations when Putin backed his separatist clients with Russian military units).

Instead of doing that, entirely idiotic and embarrassing, thing, Obama stated straight-up that we wouldn't guarantee Ukraine's borders, but that Russia was going to get hit with sanctions for this behavior, and that every step in the direction of re-establishing their old Imperial holdings will isolate them further from Europe and the world economy. He then went to work convincing the Europeans to back him on this stance and frequent Russian allies to remain hands-off, something he has so far been successful in.

The result has been significant harm to the Russian economy, a reduction in force-numbers on the Ukrainian border, and clear messages from EU members that Russian revision of its borders will not be tolerated, a clear statement from China that they will not support Russia if it gets itself into the shiat over this, a distancing from Russia by its closest Central Asian allies, and Russia's hesitancy over the last two days to send in overt units to support their covert disruption teams as Ukraine begins tentatively securing strategic sites in its East. At the same time, Obama has been increasing economic and military support for Ukraine, moving the 6th fleet into active patrols in the Black Sea(which obviously worries the Russians, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to intimidate our ships with fly-bys), and probably installing some active Drone units in NATO allies like Poland and Moldova. To sum it up, he's taking all the steps he is actually capable of taking to discourage Putin's aggression, to make it painful for him, and to position us and our NATO allies for a more substantive response in Putin acts like a complete idiot and pushes forward with this.

In truth, Obama has responded to this very difficult and challenging situation very well. Obviously, our response isn't what the Ukrainians want, but jumping heedlessly into a shooting war with a nuclear power, at a time when our historic European allies(whose support we could never economically maintain a mil campaign against Russian aggression in that part of the world without) aren't in the best economic position and would likely balk without significant discussion, encouragement, and inclusion, or heated but ridiculous and empty saber rattling would have literally been the absolute worst response to the situation. We have certain interests, standing up for Ukrainian sovereignty is one of them(but certainly not the most important in our view), and Obama's done a respectable job so far of protecting and furthering them.
 
2014-04-16 06:19:22 PM

TheBigJerk: All2morrowsparTs: Wicked Chinchilla: spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.

The West wasn't backing them.  That was kinda part of the reason their economy wasn't doing hot.  Russia was offering a deal, but the asking price was basically economic dependence on Russia.

The EU was hemming and hawing over trade deals because of corruption and economic issues.  All these loan guarantees and economic aid packages weren't even being considered until Russia got all 19th century.

And the reason the West was weary was the Pro-Russian government was corrupt and essentially bleeding the government dry.

Token point; the OTHER government officials and candidates were all corrupt motherfarkers too.  They just had a tendency to actually spend that stolen money domestically.


Not really, or at least, not to the same extent. Yanukovych built himself something like 12 full-on palaces all over the country, and was seizing successful businesses and handing them over to his family. He literally bankrupted Ukraine by robbing the treasury to fund his own lavish lifestyle and to buy political support. He also outlawed all manner of political participation, protest acts, and political parties, forcing those who opposed his regime to join the far right if they didn't want to get arrested for being involved in politics, then calling them nazis for the affiliation he has forced on them. The folks before Yanukovych were indisputably EU bank shills and many were personally bandits or corrupt as well, but Yanukovych was head-and-shoulders above them all. He was a straight-up property-seizing, revenue embezzling, mob-friendly, free-speech suppressing tyrant.
 
2014-04-16 06:25:26 PM

Heron: standing up for Ukrainian sovereignty is one of them


I still can't find that part of the constitution that deals with "sticking our noses in other countries' problems".  When hunger, homelessness, disease, lack of education, unemployment, environmental safety, and infrastructure stability issues are all resolved in the USA, I might care enough to support US tax dollars outside our borders.

/idealistically, promoting democracy sounds great... on paper
//foreign aid is fine but, it should be privately financed instead of distributed from tax dollars based on which nation can bribe our politicians the best

I don't think we should be giving a dime to Egypt, Pakistan, France, Israel, etc.... they can pay their own way.
 
2014-04-16 06:28:59 PM

Heron: The folks before Yanukovych were indisputably EU bank shills and many were personally bandits or corrupt as well, but Yanukovych was head-and-shoulders above them all. He was a straight-up property-seizing, revenue embezzling, mob-friendly, free-speech suppressing tyrant.


and there's the choice most "free" countries face.  Vote for corrupt people on one side who will ensure they help only themselves and their most-connected associates.... or vote for corrupt people on the other side doing the same thing.

Modern democracy is getting closer and closer to pay to play aristocracy every day.  Your blood line and bank account(s) still mean more than it should in politics.  (More Clintons and Bushes in politics, oh wonderful)
 
2014-04-16 06:40:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: Saiga410: So a repeat of 65 years ago?  Colour me shocked badd.

[jonesandb.com image 640x360]
Featuring Coolio, Snow, Ethan Hawke, and Kenny G


I always figured it was Manili (or whichever one didn't kill himself) Snow, George Michael and Kenny G.
 
2014-04-16 06:48:07 PM
Local area American thinks his government is very corrupt
 
2014-04-16 08:20:26 PM

Grahor: Oh yeah, all those problems were pretty farking obvious for everyone and his brother even before the referendum, they were described in the Crimean news before the referendum, and the population and everyone knew exactly where they are going. For example, it was warned long beforehand that nobody should try ANY estate deals for at least half a year after the switch because there will not be the law to recognize the legality of the deal.

*shrug* I don't care. They were warned, they wanted it, they got it. Let them push through it the best they can.


Well, a handful of them wanted it.

Everyone else?  Well as we all know it's not about the votes, it's about who counts them.
 
2014-04-16 08:25:15 PM

Heron: TheBigJerk: All2morrowsparTs: Wicked Chinchilla: spamdog: I'm skeptical. Hasn't Ukraine's economy been in the shiatter for a while now?

Considering the first attempted action by the new Right Sector "government" was to outlaw Russian, I'm pretty sure Ukraine is going to have some rather large problems in the future.

Perhaps if the West was not backing them, this might not have happened? Just a thought.

The West wasn't backing them.  That was kinda part of the reason their economy wasn't doing hot.  Russia was offering a deal, but the asking price was basically economic dependence on Russia.

The EU was hemming and hawing over trade deals because of corruption and economic issues.  All these loan guarantees and economic aid packages weren't even being considered until Russia got all 19th century.

And the reason the West was weary was the Pro-Russian government was corrupt and essentially bleeding the government dry.

Token point; the OTHER government officials and candidates were all corrupt motherfarkers too.  They just had a tendency to actually spend that stolen money domestically.

Not really, or at least, not to the same extent. Yanukovych built himself something like 12 full-on palaces all over the country, and was seizing successful businesses and handing them over to his family. He literally bankrupted Ukraine by robbing the treasury to fund his own lavish lifestyle and to buy political support. He also outlawed all manner of political participation, protest acts, and political parties, forcing those who opposed his regime to join the far right if they didn't want to get arrested for being involved in politics, then calling them nazis for the affiliation he has forced on them. The folks before Yanukovych were indisputably EU bank shills and many were personally bandits or corrupt as well, but Yanukovych was head-and-shoulders above them all. He was a straight-up property-seizing, revenue embezzling, mob-friendly, free-speech suppressing tyrant.


Yuschenko was the one throwing the opposition party lady in jail, if memory serves, and he defijnitely built himself a palace during his tenure.

But yeah, Yanukovych was probably worse.  If A steals a million dollars and B steals a billion, better go with A.  Cut Lex Luthor a check.
 
2014-04-16 08:46:32 PM

FTGodWin: Gee, there's a proxy war between the CIA and the KGB over the impending death of the petrodollar, and all the idiots around here talk about are the machinations of puppets.

This is about geopolitical choke-holds (aka "power") and nothing more. Every move, by both sides comes at ALL of our expense.

Zbignew wrote "The Grand Chessboard" long enough ago that you've no excuse not to have read it if you think you're qualified to comment in these threads.


Anyone qualified to comment on these threads wouldn't be wasting their time reading Fark. They would be doing whatever it is that smart, successful people do. Working probably.
 
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