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2014-04-16 05:10:16 PM

demarke: snarfyboy: HectorSchwartz: Unless you believe that homosexuality is a sin.   You aren't free to do that anymore.

You're free to believe whatever you want.

You're not free to try and force people to behave according to your beliefs.

People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?  More than half of California voted against gay marriage in 2008 and a lot less feel that way now, is 2008 the arbitrary cut off that you aren't "enlightened" unless you were in favor of gay marriage before that date, therefore you should lose your job now?


I guess you missed the part where he refused to retract his support or apologize. But as I said before this all academic your guy lost his job and thats that. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last.
 
2014-04-16 05:12:50 PM

demarke: People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?  More than half of California voted against gay marriage in 2008 and a lot less feel that way now, is 2008 the arbitrary cut off that you aren't "enlightened" unless you were in favor of gay marriage before that date, therefore you should lose your job now?


First, I was addressing the point in the post I quoted, and was not directly talking about the article.

Secondly, he has publicly stated that his opinion has not changed, rendering your argument moot.
 
2014-04-16 05:14:10 PM

Peki: Panatheist: speak for yourself, there's a whole internet out there that straights can use to learn about gay people. If I'm going to educate those morons I want to get paid. Many times when people start asking questions what they really want is to try and humiliate me

/but of course when they read up on the subject they give the reactions you see in this thread "why do gay people complain so much? waaaaah why can't gays just go disappear? It's not bigotry to try and hurt other people because you disagree with their private life choices, respect muh bigotry!"
//honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

Requiring payment is a boundary to information access. I want to be accessible and approachable. Sure straights  can go on the internet and learn, but they rarely will until confronted with someone who they know who happens to be gay.

Oh, they try to humiliate me. They fail fabulously, and usually their friends tease them as a result. I've been at that game way too long to not know some really good tricks to flip their words back on them. And the questions and comments are so old and recycled that it's almost too easy to bat them away. Also helps that I know the Bible better than most "Christians" (using the term very loosely) do, so those sorts usually just storm off and leave me alone after that.

Creative Name: t sounds like people just want you to disappear. Maybe it's because you sound like a horrible person. So, look to that I guess?

If you mean me specifically, no, has never really happened. In fact, pretty much everyone I meet wants more of my time; it's actually kind of horrifying for me since I'm an introvert. As for gay people in general, of course people want us to disappear. We cause problems, we make people uncomfortable because they have to confront the not-so-nice parts of themselves, and we're ...


I think Creative Name was directing that comment specifically at the tone of Panatheist who criticized your prior comment.  I don't think it was directed at you or the gay community.
 
2014-04-16 05:14:45 PM
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Hey everyone concerned over the loss of your right to discriminate against LGBTs I just wanted to remind you that this how you're going to look in 60 years.....
 
2014-04-16 05:18:57 PM

snarfyboy: demarke: People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?  More than half of California voted against gay marriage in 2008 and a lot less feel that way now, is 2008 the arbitrary cut off that you aren't "enlightened" unless you were in favor of gay marriage before that date, therefore you should lose your job now?

First, I was addressing the point in the post I quoted, and was not directly talking about the article.

Secondly, he has publicly stated that his opinion has not changed, rendering your argument moot.


Aha, my outrage has dropped significantly, the NBC article I read didn't mention that part (I stopped reading Slate, FoxNews, MSNBC, and a few others lately).  I still don't agree with trying to get him fired if it's just his opinion and he's not shaping policy based on that, hiring/firing based on that, etc., but I'll admit, I thought this was another case of piling on based on new discovery of old news.
 
2014-04-16 05:18:58 PM

umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews


You may want to reexamine those fruits. One of them - red, stemmed, and without a thick peel - is a position/philosophy which encourages needless social division in, and stratification of, civil society. The others - thick peels, no stems, yellowish/carrot-colored - encourage combination based on common (in the two cited examples, financial/economic) goals.
 
2014-04-16 05:23:11 PM

snarfyboy: HectorSchwartz: Unless you believe that homosexuality is a sin.   You aren't free to do that anymore.

You're free to believe whatever you want.

You're not free to try and force people to behave according to your beliefs.


what ever happened to "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"?

Peki: Creative Name: t sounds like people just want you to disappear. Maybe it's because you sound like a horrible person. So, look to that I guess?

If you mean me specifically, no,


and yeah he meant me. I am a terrible person, and being a terrible person I don't really care. When the day comes that other people are on the receiving end they'll end up terrible people too
/they're not so great now

umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews


and I know you're trolling, but this is to other people who say crap like this. Don't conflate a desire to publicly shame people who actively try to hurt the lives of others with union busting or antisemitism, they're simply not the same thing.
 
2014-04-16 05:35:21 PM

ScaryBottles: umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews

Weep and wail all you want the future is coming past is repeating whether you like it or not.


Since you were too dense to get it, I FTFY. I also forgot to mention the Communists. We should put them on a blacklist too.
 
2014-04-16 05:37:16 PM

Dr Dreidel: umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews

You may want to reexamine those fruits. One of them - red, stemmed, and without a thick peel - is a position/philosophy which encourages needless social division in, and stratification of, civil society. The others - thick peels, no stems, yellowish/carrot-colored - encourage combination based on common (in the two cited examples, financial/economic) goals.


Carrot colored? Why wouldn't you just say- ohhhh. Nevermind.
 
2014-04-16 05:39:38 PM

umad: ScaryBottles: umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews

Weep and wail all you want the future is coming past is repeating whether you like it or not.

Since you were too dense to get it, I FTFY. I also forgot to mention the Communists. We should put them on a blacklist too.


Seems to me those advocating inequality are blacklisting themselves. Don't see many out segregationists these days, do you? It's not because they're oppressed, it's because the rest of society has realized they're assholes that serve no good purpose in society.
 
2014-04-16 05:47:53 PM

Panatheist: what ever happened to "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"?


Huh? I don't see how what I said implied that wasn't true.
 
2014-04-16 05:52:38 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: umad: ScaryBottles: umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews

Weep and wail all you want the future is coming past is repeating whether you like it or not.

Since you were too dense to get it, I FTFY. I also forgot to mention the Communists. We should put them on a blacklist too.

Seems to me those advocating inequality are blacklisting themselves. Don't see many out segregationists these days, do you? It's not because they're oppressed, it's because the rest of society has realized they're assholes that serve no good purpose in society.


I'm not a fan of lynch mobs or witch hunts over any political cause. You are supposed to fight them with your vote and call it a day. I do support gay marriage, but this whole incident leaves the bad taste of McCarthyism in my mouth.

People are too quick to forget that tactics you deem appropriate today can be used against you tomorrow. Something about a petard comes to mind.
 
2014-04-16 05:56:37 PM

svanmeter: perigee: " the taint of homophobia "

Homo = same / phobia = fear

Homophobia = fear of the same.

/Psychobabble.


Jeez.  You missed a perfectly good taint joke.

I like the word grundle, myself.
 
2014-04-16 05:57:34 PM

umad: UrukHaiGuyz: umad: ScaryBottles: umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews

Weep and wail all you want the future is coming past is repeating whether you like it or not.

Since you were too dense to get it, I FTFY. I also forgot to mention the Communists. We should put them on a blacklist too.

Seems to me those advocating inequality are blacklisting themselves. Don't see many out segregationists these days, do you? It's not because they're oppressed, it's because the rest of society has realized they're assholes that serve no good purpose in society.

I'm not a fan of lynch mobs or witch hunts over any political cause. You are supposed to fight them with your vote and call it a day. I do support gay marriage, but this whole incident leaves the bad taste of McCarthyism in my mouth.

People are too quick to forget that tactics you deem appropriate today can be used against you tomorrow. Something about a petard comes to mind.


Jesus that's some excessive hyperbole. Bigots are not being oppressed in any meaningful sense. If a CEO holds any view unpopular enough to cost the company money (gays don't deserve equal rights, there was a fourth Indiana Jones, child pornography is okay, etc.), they get the boot.
 
2014-04-16 05:58:20 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: umad:


Publicly espoused unpopular viewpoint, I should say.
 
2014-04-16 06:00:55 PM

CruJones: WTF is a pluralism fetishist?


I don't know, and I'm fairly tuned-in to gay advocacy.  I guess it means "an excessive focus on, or enthusiasm for, pluralism," but that doesn't really tell me how or why it's excessive.
 
2014-04-16 06:04:40 PM

wellreadneck: Maggie_Luna: wellreadneck: Diogenes: Ways straight people can best help gay people?

I wouldn't mind a blow job.  I don't know how much that would help out the community, but I'd personally find that helpful.

Meh. Str8 guys suck at blow jobs. I'd rather have a piece of ass.

What if they have a bad ass though?

Define bad.



It means he's a big bad wolf in your neighborhood --- Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good.
 
2014-04-16 06:08:19 PM

Son of Thunder: The Southern Logic Company: TFA: ....straight-splaining ...

I really, really, really hate this term and all associated *splaining terms used.  Stop killing the dialogue with "argument enders", this isn't Jr. High Debate Team.

Let me *splain this to you (sorry, had to).  Killing the dialogue is exactly what the author wants.  He is settled in his view: the world consists of Good People (his team) and Bad People (everyone else), and there will be no dialogue.  There's no point talking to Bad People as if they are Good People who just are incorrect.  Bad People must be treated like Bad People, or they might go on thinking that they're Good People.  And that would be bad.  So yelling "you're Bad People!" is all the strategy that is necessary.

/binary thinking is the mind-killer


I thought fear was the mind-killer.
 
2014-04-16 06:09:47 PM
FTA: I realize I'm coming down rather hard on an ally here, but as an ally, Friedersdorf and those like him need to recognize that their first responsibility is to listen, not to dictate.

No. Friedersdorf's first responsibility as an ally is to be true to himself. It's up to him to decide whether that means listening as an ally, speaking as an ally, or deciding to no longer be an ally.
 
2014-04-16 06:12:59 PM
I have a problem with some of the language being used in this thread. I see a whole lot of "well, your side this" and "our side that" comments that doesn't advance the topic past the typical school yard "nuh-uh". Is it too much to ask that we act like adults?

How about this premise; there can be many "sides" and they are all free to have whatever opinion they'd like. It doesn't make one side right and the other wrong or whatever. You are just creating yet another divisive point to get your "rage on" with.

Almost every thread devolves into some bullshiat Us vs Them yelling match that serves no purpose than to make you feel like you stuck it to someone. BFD. Get over yourselves. They think they stuck it to you too. No one learned anything, no one's mind was changed. There was food for thought shared and absolutely no way to find common ground. Congratu-farking-lations!

This trend seems way too prevalent on Fark nowadays and I am extremely disappointed.
 
2014-04-16 06:15:14 PM

umad: ScaryBottles: umad: Panatheist: honestly the article writer is correct. Some bigots can't be reasoned with, and I don't think it's overboard to throw what little weight you have around and remove as much of their power as possible.

We should go after the Socialists when we are done with the homophobes. Then the Trade Unionists. None of them deserve jobs either, for the offense of being unMericuh!n.

/then the Jews

Weep and wail all you want the future is coming past is repeating whether you like it or not.

Since you were too dense to get it, I FTFY. I also forgot to mention the Communists. We should put them on a blacklist too.


Whatevvs chief like I said cry all you want it changes nothing. The days of people being tolerant of your intolerance are coming to end.

toychestsnarker.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-16 06:25:01 PM

ciberido: Son of Thunder: The Southern Logic Company: TFA: ....straight-splaining ...

I really, really, really hate this term and all associated *splaining terms used.  Stop killing the dialogue with "argument enders", this isn't Jr. High Debate Team.

Let me *splain this to you (sorry, had to).  Killing the dialogue is exactly what the author wants.  He is settled in his view: the world consists of Good People (his team) and Bad People (everyone else), and there will be no dialogue.  There's no point talking to Bad People as if they are Good People who just are incorrect.  Bad People must be treated like Bad People, or they might go on thinking that they're Good People.  And that would be bad.  So yelling "you're Bad People!" is all the strategy that is necessary.

/binary thinking is the mind-killer

I thought fear was the mind-killer.


I'm pretty sure that it's fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to really bad prequels, really bad prequels... lead to SUFFERING.
 
2014-04-16 06:40:21 PM

SuperChuck: QueenMamaBee: Rent Party: Women are farkin' raunchy.

Lord yes. My female friends and I could make a sailor blush.

I'm not a sailor so I'm curious what would happen to me


You'd be so shocked you would be rendered speechless for months.
 
2014-04-16 06:42:03 PM

ScaryBottles: Whatevvs chief like I said cry all you want it changes nothing. The days of people being tolerant of your intolerance are coming to end.


I am for gay marriage, you farking idiot. As in, I think gay people should be free to make the mistake of getting married if they wish. Let me know if I need to dumb this down further to reach your reading level. What is that anyway? 3rd grade or so?
 
2014-04-16 06:43:32 PM

SafetyThird: How about this premise; there can be many "sides" and they are all free to have whatever opinion they'd like. It doesn't make one side right and the other wrong or whatever. You are just creating yet another divisive point to get your "rage on" with.


the guy did more than express an opinion, he gave money to a cause meant to strip rights from same sex couples.

/stop being intolerant of my intolerance whaaa!

edthemanicstreetpreacher.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-16 06:45:22 PM

Panatheist: /stop being intolerant of my intolerance whaaa!

[edthemanicstreetpreacher.files.wordpress.com image 378x500]


Wow.  Someone drew a drawing.  That must make you right.
 
2014-04-16 06:49:20 PM

ScaryBottles: The days of people being tolerant of your intolerance are coming to end.


I think you might be getting the wrong idea about the way that this all works. The changes in society that allow for tolerance of homosexuality don't come from some sort of enlightenment, rather they come from fatigue and a gradual loss of social cohesion.

Did I miss the memo where this new enlightenment means that people as a whole will become more polite, more honest, more charitable, more industrious, less self-centred, more responsible, less greedy, more gooder and more betterer all around?

Apathy has accomplished more for gay rights than any moral argument ever could.
 
2014-04-16 07:00:18 PM

PunkTiger: The Fine Art of Being Come Out To: A Straight Person's Guide To Gay Etiquette

Sure, it's a big site, dated 1996, and it's currently only available on Archive.org, but it's humourous and well worth reading.


That is awesome, thank you.
 
2014-04-16 07:05:16 PM

QueenMamaBee: SuperChuck: QueenMamaBee: Rent Party: Women are farkin' raunchy.

Lord yes. My female friends and I could make a sailor blush.

I'm not a sailor so I'm curious what would happen to me

You'd be so shocked you would be rendered speechless for months.


My wife is very interested in learning more
 
2014-04-16 07:15:40 PM

demarke: snarfyboy: HectorSchwartz: Unless you believe that homosexuality is a sin.   You aren't free to do that anymore.

You're free to believe whatever you want.

You're not free to try and force people to behave according to your beliefs.

People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?


I agree, which is why I was never onboard with all the outrage against the guy.  And I have been seeing attitudes change, both here on Fark and out in real life.
 
2014-04-16 08:24:33 PM

ScaryBottles: demarke: snarfyboy: HectorSchwartz: Unless you believe that homosexuality is a sin.   You aren't free to do that anymore.

You're free to believe whatever you want.

You're not free to try and force people to behave according to your beliefs.

People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?  More than half of California voted against gay marriage in 2008 and a lot less feel that way now, is 2008 the arbitrary cut off that you aren't "enlightened" unless you were in favor of gay marriage before that date, therefore you should lose your job now?

I guess you missed the part where he refused to retract his support or apologize.


Hmmm.  I did miss that part.  That does change things a bit.  So he is still donating money to anti-gay causes, even today?  That's a rather different kettle of fish.
 
2014-04-16 08:33:33 PM
Aaaand...  Blood in the water!

Now students, pay attention. Watch the upper left corner of the tank, as the sharks, which a few moments ago were hunting prey together, start to devour each other!
 
2014-04-16 08:40:58 PM

PunkTiger: The Fine Art of Being Come Out To: A Straight Person's Guide To Gay Etiquette

Sure, it's a big site, dated 1996, and it's currently only available on Archive.org, but it's humourous and well worth reading.


Bookmarked, thanks.
 
2014-04-16 09:09:56 PM

cryinoutloud: Peki: apparently we can be asked questions that no one would ever THINK of asking a straight person ("How do you guys have sex?" . . "I dunno, how do YOU have sex?").

So is that scissoring stuff for real? I'll never ask again. Just between us. The question, I mean.


It's totally for real. The first minute you figure out that biatch is cheating on you, it's time to get all shear-y on her collection of whore clothes.
 
2014-04-16 09:14:10 PM

TreeHugger: drjekel_mrhyde: I had three gay guy and one lesbian come to me to fix their PC, and all of them wanted FF and a antivirus put on it before I finshed

Wait, what?  You convinced them that a clunky, buggy, slow browser would be their best option... And, how is this related to their sexual orientation?


Dood, Microsoft has been TRYING to fix Internet Exploder for about a decade. Yes, theyre slow at it, but give them some slack! How can they rip off ideas BEFORE Mozilla even releases them?!? Geez, theres a turnound time... god...

At least that techie guy installed FF for them. Now they can avoid that clunky, buggy, slow browser you talked about. Whew.
 
2014-04-16 09:14:50 PM
Peki:  Until then, everything else is just an uncomfortable dance that makes straight people hesitant to ask, thus eliminating the ability of any LGBTQ member to educate or right a stereotype, and makes LGBTQ members ostracized and isolated while at the same time feeling under attack because apparently we can be asked questions that no one would ever THINK of asking a straight person ("How do you guys have sex?" . . "I dunno, how do YOU have sex?").

I'm always amused by the (usually religious) retort of "What you do is WRONG! It is against GOD!" As if A) they've never sinned. and B) I've actually enjoyed some  consenting adult sinning recently. Do not assume we have the sex lives of drunken frat bros.
 
2014-04-16 09:20:39 PM

ciberido: ScaryBottles: demarke: snarfyboy: HectorSchwartz: Unless you believe that homosexuality is a sin.   You aren't free to do that anymore.

You're free to believe whatever you want.

You're not free to try and force people to behave according to your beliefs.

People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?  More than half of California voted against gay marriage in 2008 and a lot less feel that way now, is 2008 the arbitrary cut off that you aren't "enlightened" unless you were in favor of gay marriage before that date, therefore you should lose your job now?

I guess you missed the part where he refused to retract his support or apologize.

Hmmm.  I did miss that part.  That does change things a bit.  So he is still donating money to anti-gay causes, even today?  That's a rather different kettle of fish.


He said that people should let his actions speak for him going forward. I think he was going with the motto 'don't feed the trolls' on this one.
The first part is fact, the second part I am speculating on.
 
2014-04-16 09:23:00 PM

demarke: I think Creative Name was directing that comment specifically at the tone of Panatheist who criticized your prior comment.  I don't think it was directed at you or the gay community.


My bad.

Panatheist: and yeah he meant me. I am a terrible person, and being a terrible person I don't really care. When the day comes that other people are on the receiving end they'll end up terrible people too
/they're not so great now


You're not a terrible person. You're a person who has/may have/might go/gone through terrible things. What you choose to do with it? That determines whether or not you're a horrible person.

/had awesome experiences when past bullies have shown up in her life; soooooo great to watch them get all wiggly trying to apologize
 
2014-04-16 09:27:29 PM

WordyGrrl: Peki:  Until then, everything else is just an uncomfortable dance that makes straight people hesitant to ask, thus eliminating the ability of any LGBTQ member to educate or right a stereotype, and makes LGBTQ members ostracized and isolated while at the same time feeling under attack because apparently we can be asked questions that no one would ever THINK of asking a straight person ("How do you guys have sex?" . . "I dunno, how do YOU have sex?").

I'm always amused by the (usually religious) retort of "What you do is WRONG! It is against GOD!" As if A) they've never sinned. and B) I've actually enjoyed some  consenting adult sinning recently. Do not assume we have the sex lives of drunken frat bros.


Yeah, anytime (especially a guy) brings up that gay sex isn't natural, I ask them how often get/give blowjobs.

/really "natural" and "god-intended" there, boys. . .
//also, for an "open" relationship, my fiance and I have been monogamous the entire time. . .
///and my dad was worried I'd turn out "promiscuous". . lulz
 
2014-04-16 09:36:28 PM

umad: ScaryBottles: Whatevvs chief like I said cry all you want it changes nothing. The days of people being tolerant of your intolerance are coming to end.

I am for gay marriage, you farking idiot. As in, I think gay people should be free to make the mistake of getting married if they wish. Let me know if I need to dumb this down further to reach your reading level. What is that anyway? 3rd grade or so?


Sorry guy but you don't get to have it both ways. You can't compare us Mccarthy then start crying same team when someone calls you out for it. But really terrible try.
 
2014-04-16 09:48:00 PM

ciberido: ScaryBottles: demarke: snarfyboy: HectorSchwartz: Unless you believe that homosexuality is a sin.   You aren't free to do that anymore.

You're free to believe whatever you want.

You're not free to try and force people to behave according to your beliefs.

People's view points aren't allowed to change?  He lost his job because the way he felt about an issue 6 YEARS ago!  Heck, Obama didn't even come around to publicly support gay marriage until May 2012.  During that time, millions of people's views have changed on the topic and I haven't heard of any public demonstrations this guy has had since then.  Unless he is actively shaping the policy of his company or is still funding anti-gay marriage causes, why are they attacking him?  More than half of California voted against gay marriage in 2008 and a lot less feel that way now, is 2008 the arbitrary cut off that you aren't "enlightened" unless you were in favor of gay marriage before that date, therefore you should lose your job now?

I guess you missed the part where he refused to retract his support or apologize.

Hmmm.  I did miss that part.  That does change things a bit.  So he is still donating money to anti-gay causes, even today?  That's a rather different kettle of fish.

I don't think he still donates but when he was given a chance to explain himself he said his feelings on the matter haven't changed.
 
2014-04-17 12:08:43 AM

WordyGrrl: cryinoutloud: Peki: apparently we can be asked questions that no one would ever THINK of asking a straight person ("How do you guys have sex?" . . "I dunno, how do YOU have sex?").

So is that scissoring stuff for real? I'll never ask again. Just between us. The question, I mean.

It's totally for real. The first minute you figure out that biatch is cheating on you, it's time to get all shear-y on her collection of whore clothes.


Ha LOL.
 
2014-04-17 05:35:06 AM

littlett's: LeroyBourne: In college I was in this class and somehow (dumb luck) I ended up being the only guy.  Gals can get just as raunchy amongst themselves when they think it's just women around.   I should have turned around and inquired more about her dildo usage.  Probably would have ended up on some list.
/not sure where I'm going with this, it's just your cs reminded me of that

I wouldn't mind so much, but when they start talking about my husband, knowing that it is my husband, I would rather they be a little more respectful.  And I have mentioned that to them, but they really don't seem to care.  Otherwise they seem pretty nice, just a little overly crass.


I love it when gays hit on my husband. He doesn't mind either. What bothers you about it?
 
2014-04-17 06:35:30 AM

Squilax: littlett's: LeroyBourne: In college I was in this class and somehow (dumb luck) I ended up being the only guy.  Gals can get just as raunchy amongst themselves when they think it's just women around.   I should have turned around and inquired more about her dildo usage.  Probably would have ended up on some list.
/not sure where I'm going with this, it's just your cs reminded me of that

I wouldn't mind so much, but when they start talking about my husband, knowing that it is my husband, I would rather they be a little more respectful.  And I have mentioned that to them, but they really don't seem to care.  Otherwise they seem pretty nice, just a little overly crass.

I love it when gays hit on my husband. He doesn't mind either. What bothers you about it?


You think that's just "hitting on" her husband?  Strange way to put it.  If two lesbians were together and a guy hit on them and the women responded they were a lesbian couple in monogamous relationship, it would be a little more than rude for that guy to then start speaking crudely about them with his buddies within earshot.  Usually "not interested" means just that and decent people move on and no one is offended.  Objectifying people as a piece of meat is the flip side to objectifying people as a piece of garbage.  Don't have much tolerance for either.
 
2014-04-17 08:07:53 AM

Squilax: I love it when gays hit on my husband. He doesn't mind either. What bothers you about it?


tbeatty: You think that's just "hitting on" her husband?  Strange way to put it.  If two lesbians were together and a guy hit on them and the women responded they were a lesbian couple in monogamous relationship, it would be a little more than rude for that guy to then start speaking crudely about them with his buddies within earshot.  Usually "not interested" means just that and decent people move on and no one is offended.  Objectifying people as a piece of meat is the flip side to objectifying people as a piece of garbage.  Don't have much tolerance for either.


tbeatty's response pretty much covers it.  It is fine that they find him attractive.  I just find it rude for them to talk about wanting to do certain things with/to him, especially while I am present.  And then telling me that if they wanted to, in time they could have him.
 
2014-04-17 09:10:31 AM
Wow. The mental gymnastics in this article are awe inspiring.
 
2014-04-17 11:24:33 AM
ITT straight people who are angry that they aren't being held up as the golden standard.
 
2014-04-17 05:43:38 PM

ScaryBottles: umad: ScaryBottles: Whatevvs chief like I said cry all you want it changes nothing. The days of people being tolerant of your intolerance are coming to end.

I am for gay marriage, you farking idiot. As in, I think gay people should be free to make the mistake of getting married if they wish. Let me know if I need to dumb this down further to reach your reading level. What is that anyway? 3rd grade or so?

Sorry guy but you don't get to have it both ways. You can't compare us Mccarthy then start crying same team when someone calls you out for it. But really terrible try.


As I expected, you are farking retarded. I noticed none of you SJWs are spending much time in the "feminist with PTSD from Twitter" thread spreading this horseshiat either. How about you grow some balls and defend all of the witch hunts if they are so farking great?
 
2014-04-17 07:05:59 PM

umad: ScaryBottles: umad: ScaryBottles: Whatevvs chief like I said cry all you want it changes nothing. The days of people being tolerant of your intolerance are coming to end.

I am for gay marriage, you farking idiot. As in, I think gay people should be free to make the mistake of getting married if they wish. Let me know if I need to dumb this down further to reach your reading level. What is that anyway? 3rd grade or so?

Sorry guy but you don't get to have it both ways. You can't compare us Mccarthy then start crying same team when someone calls you out for it. But really terrible try.

As I expected, you are farking retarded. I noticed none of you SJWs are spending much time in the "feminist with PTSD from Twitter" thread spreading this horseshiat either. How about you grow some balls and defend all of the witch hunts if they are so farking great?

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-17 08:38:48 PM
I'm fairly certain that without the vocal support of straight people, there wouldnt be anything even close to resembling a gay rights movement.
 
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