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(Guardian)   Local billionaires think it's wrong that there are people who sleep in cars in Silicon Valley because they are homeless, and want to improve their quality of life   (theguardian.com) divider line 433
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2014-04-16 01:58:33 PM  

Pangea: Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll


20% of Democrats are not true Democrats.
 
2014-04-16 01:59:36 PM  

patrick767: Well fark. Fark dumped my link.

Pew Research poll

Income inequality: 90% of Democrats want government action. 45% of Republicans do.


It's still misleading wording. Hence my initial complaint about polling.

If you ask me whether I support an increase in the minimum wage I'd say yes.

That can only be translated into "supporting government action to reduce income inequality" if you also freeze the wages on the top end. Ask THAT question and see if you get 90% support.
 
2014-04-16 01:59:53 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.

He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.


Um, cancer research is actually advancing. But there will always be a certain percentage of the public that will be homeless, either due to choice or disability. And the nicer you make the living conditions by throwing money at the situation, the higher that "choice" percentage is going to be.
 
2014-04-16 02:01:36 PM  

sendtodave: Pangea: Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll

20% of Democrats are not true Democrats.


97% of all statistics are complete bullshiat.
 
2014-04-16 02:03:07 PM  
There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.
 
2014-04-16 02:03:48 PM  
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2014-04-16 02:05:02 PM  

umad: You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.


Just wait until I speak with my elected officials.  Gravity has been allowed to run rampant in this society long enough!
 
2014-04-16 02:05:30 PM  

umad: I can explain. Things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this, because society is composed of humans. Legislate against the laws of nature all you want. You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.


I thought as humans we were able to transcend our nature. You're saying no, so I suggest we all go around raping every woman you like, kill whoever looks at you funny, take what you want, and defecate wherever nature calls.
 
2014-04-16 02:06:17 PM  
There's sure a lot of "Hating the rich" on FARK. Well that's one thing I don't have to worry about.

/I'm poor
 
2014-04-16 02:06:33 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


So your brilliant solution to widespread homelessness caused by addiction is....NIMBY. Why did you even bother posting?
 
2014-04-16 02:10:04 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


One time my sister tried to give a hobo her left over Chinese food as her and her bf were walking home.  The guy had the balls to say, 'fark that, give me money'  He got nothing.
 
2014-04-16 02:10:49 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


This.

There are also places that won't take people who are violent, disruptive, etc., come and go at late hours, etc.
 
2014-04-16 02:11:40 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


That's like providing free nachos for the hungry but not allowing those who test positive for marijuana to have any. As I understand it, getting high is really all you have left to do once you're suffering through life in the weather, no creature comforts and all... so you can't judge if you don't really know.
 
2014-04-16 02:12:10 PM  
   I would like to suggest that anyone who is that upset about the homeless, instead of expecting "the government" to do something about the problem, "adopt" a homeless person or family and get personal. Instead of buying Starbucks every morning, buy your adopted homeless person a breakfast. See that they get 3 meals a day; it doesn't have to be expensive; as you cook your dinner, fix an extra portion for your adoptee. See that they have decent, climate-appropriate clothes (thrift stores and Goodwill sell very nice clothes cheap). if they have no shelter, buy them a decent used tent. These actions would make a greater difference (in your life and theirs) than sitting back and complaining that "someone should do something about it".
   The homeless will always be a problem that cannot be solved as many are mentally ill/drug addicted or just do not wish to follow the rules of society/shelters.

/50 years of throwing money at poverty has not solved it and, in many cases, it took away incentives from the poor to better themselves
 
2014-04-16 02:13:08 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


The billionaires would by 1% less rich.  Offering the homeless the same good advice and educational opportunities they already spent their entire lives turning away from, in most cases, isn't going to change many of them.  Remember the wonderful story about the homeless guy with the awesome radio voice?  When I become homeless you can bet it was my fault.  Despite my ability to do so, I have not saved adequately to protect myself from any kind of prolonged down-turn in my life.  Have you?  Most people don't.  If you don't have a $100,000 in the bank, but you've got a car payment because you felt you deserved a new car that your bank account said you didn't earn and you go out to eat every day like I do, STFU about rich people, blacks, whites, men, women, Republicans, Democrats, the tea party or gays being the source of your problems.  I don't have a hard time accepting that my own decisions are responsible for my relative lack of wealth and assets.  I don't know why more people can't accept the same.  We are all basically where we worked to be.  Yeah, there are a few hard luck cases just as there are some lucky winners, but 90% of people live in the circumstances they created.  (I got that number scientifically, out of my butt)
 
2014-04-16 02:13:13 PM  

SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.

In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?

Geologic related industries. Specifically mineral exploration.

Would you be willing to explain why?


Too academic and not business minded enough. Most positions dont require PhDs so why pay a premium? Plus ego issues.

There are PhDs, just not many. And they are usually managers of the technical side.
 
2014-04-16 02:14:07 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Please tell me you aren't serious. I had a friend from HS who became homeless after getting out of the army. Before any of his friends knew about it, he'd been living in a piece of junk car he bought with his last $200 because he knew it would at least be shelter and he could lock the doors.  It wasn't exactly a nice or reliable car.
 
2014-04-16 02:14:32 PM  
As an aside, I always hear people complain that we treat our pets and/or animals in general better than the homeless, which when it's true is only because we can.  We can't just stop our car, pick up that homeless person and drop them off at the nearest shelter nor can we adopt them and integrate them into our household (nor would we want into nearly all cases).

Some people WON'T and some people CAN'T follow the rules at shelters, so they end up living on the streets and there isn't a lot we can do about it.  We (individually or as a society) can't just unilaterally institutionalize the ones who can't because they have rights and some will obviously have a problem, but be just on the other side of the legal line.

We have limited leeway in dealing with the ones who could live in a shelter or other housing if they would just follow the rules regarding hours to come and go, cleanliness, loudness, etc.

I wonder what percentage of people in ANY city would vote to ban sleeping in cars, parks, etc. if they had a choice.  I seriously doubt it would just be 1%erss

I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.
 
2014-04-16 02:15:26 PM  

pippi longstocking: 1. There will always be unsympathetic douchebags, not the real case.
2. The "anti-homeless" laws being passed are pushed by people profiting from control, misery, and incarceration in a for-profit jail system, still can't believe this issue isn't even discussed especially when we hold the WORLD'S largest inmate population.
3. People are myopic cretins, NIMBY.


I'm sure StealthHippo and AverageAmericanGuy see themselves as completely reasonable folk.
 
2014-04-16 02:17:23 PM  

sendtodave: Pangea: Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll

20% of Democrats are not true Democrats.


I feel that number is a bit higher but I don't have any links to support it.
 
2014-04-16 02:19:20 PM  
If hobos have started camping in your back 40 - do this: Pour 20 pounds of sugar on the ground where they camp.

I'm pretty sure that those Silicon Valley ants will have a feast, and ensure that anyone sleeping on their food supply will be bitten, stung, harassed.

Now, where to find anteaters...
 
2014-04-16 02:19:40 PM  
If anybody truly thinks that fault or solutions lie within either of our two, make believe political parties, take a good hard look at what either of them has managed to accomplish to date.
 
2014-04-16 02:20:41 PM  

bunner: If anybody truly thinks that fault or solutions lie within either of our two, make believe political parties, take a good hard look at what either of them has managed to accomplish to date.


Well, Al Gore gave us the internet... so yay, Democrats?
 
2014-04-16 02:21:26 PM  

jshine: Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.


I lost my sympathy for long-term unemployed watching the heart-tugging pieces designed to do otherwise.

Some woman was at a job for 7 months, only to get unemployment insurance for more than 2 years. She was complaining that if they didn't reinstate her benefits, she would have to dip into her savings.

Another man was cut off after receiving unemployment for more than 2 years. He lamented that if he didn't get his benefits back, he might have to take a MENIAL JOB rather than one in his field.

I was laid off on more than one occasion and it farking sucked. I also immediately moved to the first city that I got a decent job offer from. Now my clothes are 2 years old, my car is 14 years old, and I put away 25% of my take home pay every month in order to be prepared for the eventuality that is likely to happen in this day and age.
 
2014-04-16 02:21:27 PM  

special20: If hobos have started camping in your back 40 - do this: Pour 20 pounds of sugar on the ground where they camp.

I'm pretty sure that those Silicon Valley ants will have a feast, and ensure that anyone sleeping on their food supply will be bitten, stung, harassed.

Now, where to find anteaters...


Doesn't this end with starving lions and Claymores full of Semtex?
 
2014-04-16 02:21:34 PM  
I thought California was good to the homeless.
 
2014-04-16 02:23:02 PM  

pedrop357: As an aside, I always hear people complain that we treat our pets and/or animals in general better than the homeless, which when it's true is only because we can.  We can't just stop our car, pick up that homeless person and drop them off at the nearest shelter nor can we adopt them and integrate them into our household (nor would we want into nearly all cases).

Some people WON'T and some people CAN'T follow the rules at shelters, so they end up living on the streets and there isn't a lot we can do about it.  We (individually or as a society) can't just unilaterally institutionalize the ones who can't because they have rights and some will obviously have a problem, but be just on the other side of the legal line.

We have limited leeway in dealing with the ones who could live in a shelter or other housing if they would just follow the rules regarding hours to come and go, cleanliness, loudness, etc.

I wonder what percentage of people in ANY city would vote to ban sleeping in cars, parks, etc. if they had a choice.  I seriously doubt it would just be 1%erss

I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.


I'm glad you did not bring up spaying & neutering.
 
2014-04-16 02:23:05 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


Good thing people can't get addicted to those substances, or else what you said would sound heartless and cruel to people who find themselves caught up in a painful circle that many are unable to break free from.
 
2014-04-16 02:23:52 PM  

jigger: I thought California was good to the homeless.


There's only so many fruits and veggies you can pick with a baccalaureate.  Not to mention, try finding a Model T and a mattress for the roof
 
2014-04-16 02:23:56 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


BWAH HAH HAH.   $1.2 Million for a Frigging townhouse.  And they all sold for cash offers.

If you want to be middle-class, stay out of blue states.
If you want to be rich, move to a blue state and then get lucky.


/Hong Kong exodus FTFail.
 
2014-04-16 02:24:45 PM  

pippi longstocking: umad: I can explain. Things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this, because society is composed of humans. Legislate against the laws of nature all you want. You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.

I thought as humans we were able to transcend our nature. You're saying no, so I suggest we all go around raping every woman you like, kill whoever looks at you funny, take what you want, and defecate wherever nature calls.


You thought wrong. Individuals, maybe. The entire herd? Hell no. We are, and always will be stupid and selfish apes.
 
2014-04-16 02:24:57 PM  

Lee451: 50 years of throwing money at poverty has not solved it and, in many cases, it took away incentives from the poor to better themselves


You understand we've been "throwing money at the problem" for a hundred times that long (at least)?

So either we can throw up our hands and continue letting people live without regular living accommodations, or we can keep attacking the problem - and if you can suggest ways of helping homeless people that don't involve spending money, I think everyone in the world is all ears - using the only means available.

// and if you really can't see an appreciable difference between the homelessness of the 1950s and the homelessness of today - or the compounding problems both then and now - there's no point in discussing it further
 
2014-04-16 02:26:01 PM  

pedrop357: I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.


Because you're the common clay of the new west?
 
2014-04-16 02:26:19 PM  

meyerkev: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

BWAH HAH HAH.   $1.2 Million for a Frigging townhouse.  And they all sold for cash offers.

If you want to be middle-class, stay out of blue states.
If you want to be rich, move to a blue state and then get lucky.

/Hong Kong exodus FTFail.


May want to revisit that map.
 
2014-04-16 02:26:23 PM  

special20: armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.

That's like providing free nachos for the hungry but not allowing those who test positive for marijuana to have any. As I understand it, getting high is really all you have left to do once you're suffering through life in the weather, no creature comforts and all... so you can't judge if you don't really know.


Not quite.  It's not 1:1, but people with serious alcohol/drug problems also tend to be huge problems in places like shelters.

ALSO, shelters or other facilities that allow people with drug problems to live there risk prosecution, license revocation, tax status changes, or civil seizure under crackhouse statutes.
 
2014-04-16 02:26:53 PM  

meyerkev: And of course, given that immigrants lower wages, why exactly is the Left so pro-poor/unskilled-people-immigration?


I don't know that the Left is "pro-poor-immigration" as much as they're "anti-treating-people-like-animals".

I don't think people should be working in the US if they are not legally allowed to do so. Their status allows employers to violate labor laws and standards, which affects the entire labor market. But I also don't think we should be shipping off some American kid's parents because they didn't fill out proper paperwork 20 years ago.

Putting them on the books and requiring employers to pay them accordingly would do a lot to reduce the downward pressure on wages, and would be a hell of a lot cheaper and humane than rounding them up and throwing them in prisons to await deportation.

The Right (and by "Right" I mean the US Chamber of Commerce and other Republican bankrollers) would rather maintain the status quo and continue to have an underclass of cheap, exploitable labor.
 
2014-04-16 02:27:32 PM  

umad: We are, and always will be stupid and selfish apes.


Social dominance theory argues that societies producing stable economic surplus contain three qualitatively distinct systems of group-based hierarchy: (1) an age system, in which adults have disproportionate social power over children; (2) a gender system, in which men have disproportionate social, political, and military power compared to women; and (3) an arbitrary-set system, in which groups constructed on ''arbitrary'' bases, that is, on bases not linked to the human life-cycle, have differential access to things of positive and negative social value. Arbitrary-set groups may be defined by social distinctions meaningfully related to power, such as (in various contexts) nationality, ''race'', ethnicity, class, estate, descent, religion, or clan. Parallel trimorphic structures (based on age, sex, and coalitions) are found in chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and baboons (Kawanaka, 1982, 1989; Nadler, 1988; Rowell, 1974; Strier, 1994). Such a social organisation may help primate societies transmit skills, knowledge, and ideas, while also transmitting roles and power.
 
2014-04-16 02:28:28 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Too academic and not business minded enough. Most positions dont require PhDs so why pay a premium? Plus ego issues.

There are PhDs, just not many. And they are usually managers of the technical side.


Only non-PHD at my company, but...

There's a (semi-deserved IMO) stereotype that the sort of person who's spent the last 5-10 years of their life getting a PHD is way too academic, and has no idea how to function in the real world.  Because they've been writing papers instead of doing internships.  So it's at best a mild gain, unless you can find a research position at a large company.

Sweet spot is a Master's IMO.

/There's also a known problem where 1 professor must generate more than 1 PHD Grad Student.  Since this growth rate is both faster than the population and the economy, it's therefore obvious that academia in it's current form is a massive Ponzi scheme, and that most PHD's will experience downwards mobility compared to the school where they got their PHD's from if they want to stay in academia.
//Which is why Cornell is the *worst* school that they have their PHD's from.
 
2014-04-16 02:28:42 PM  

The_Hairy_Gooch: p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!

HURUHURDUDUERUDURDRRRRRR! I HAZ A THOUGHTZ TOO GUYZ!!!
I'm pregnant Your attempt was bad, and you should feel bad


so 0 / 10 is now I'm pregnant.... cool!
 
2014-04-16 02:31:16 PM  
et's say this is a building.

[  ]


Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.


NO WAIT COMMONISM RADICAL UN - BOOTSTRAPPY DEFEATIST!  When the last, sad, venal little man whose head is firmly up the mid 20th century's ass is laughed out of town and his ash heaps are resurrected into useful shelter, there might be some hope.  And then, if the people stuffing 90% of the liquid economy up the vaunted family rear ends get off the dime, there might be actual hope.  The rest of this is pissing up a rope.  And, yeah, so is coddling drunks and crackheads.  But then again, so is coddling thieves and corporate pirates.
 
2014-04-16 02:31:20 PM  

pippi longstocking: Sadly, this is probably more helpful than any current program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fkyf9UGAE

Poverty is an imbedded structural feature of our current system. It's not a negative side-effect, it's a direct consequence of how the system and law is structured. It's like saying 200 years ago "Slavery bad? I treat my slaves very well, and give them extra food, so you see there is no problem."

You might argue if it's intentional or not, but look at history and tell me when and where society hasn't been like a pyramid, all the wealth and resources in the hands of few and the rest at the bottom.

So please tell me why I'm wrong, or please explain to me (cause I'm stupid) why things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this.


At some point some very rich people are going to end up getting a lethal education in the difference between power and authority.  You can get away with a lot of things, but creating a system where you have a permanent underclass that is allowed to own firearms is a pretty dangerous practice.
 
2014-04-16 02:31:26 PM  

The_Hairy_Gooch: The_Hairy_Gooch: p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!

HURUHURDUDUERUDURDRRRRRR! I HAZ A THOUGHTZ TOO GUYZ!!!
I'm pregnant Your attempt was bad, and you should feel bad

so 0 / 10 is now I'm pregnant.... cool!


Knocked up.
 
2014-04-16 02:31:31 PM  
Some of the things my community does right:

* a centrally located space that feeds the homeless and hungry a hot meal every day
* a large community garden that gets fresh, healthy food to those most in need
*a resource center and shelter for battered women and children
*good public transportation & free bus passes to help people in need
*mental health care through MHMR
*several good thrift stores and programs to help people get clothes to interview/work/go to school in
*a centrally located workforce commission
*community safe spaces for itinerant workers
*several programs for substance abuse issues
*VA on the bus route
*Salvation Army shelter
*Community centers that open their doors to the poor and elderly when the weather is too hot or too cold
*Good resources for LGBT people
*Habitat for Humanity
*We're about to open a new, large space that will house a ton of charitable and governmental agencies that focus on getting help to people who need it

That's just off the top of my head. Y'all have these types of things in your communities, and almost every one of these organizations could use an extra pair of hands or a couple of hours of volunteer time. Put aside the worry that the one unkempt dude panhandling at the gas station might be a grifter, and try helping someone out. Almost everybody needs a helping hand sometimes. Wouldn't you want that if it was you or a loved one out there sick or hurt or hungry?
 
2014-04-16 02:32:41 PM  

littlett's: Just wait until I speak with my elected officials.  Gravity has been allowed to run rampant in this society long enough!


What are you complaining about? From the look of things, you've never seen a G in your life. ;)
 
2014-04-16 02:32:57 PM  

LeroyBourne: armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.

One time my sister tried to give a hobo her left over Chinese food as her and her bf were walking home.  The guy had the balls to say, 'fark that, give me money'  He got nothing.


I offered a panhandler and actual handful of silver change...probably about $4 worth.

He said "I prefer paper."

He got neither.
 
2014-04-16 02:33:32 PM  
I think a lot more of the homeless would be willing to accept mental health/addiction treatment if it didn't instantly make you about as much of a pariah as homelessness made you, and if, you know, the local treatment facility a) had open beds and b) wasn't likely to kill you in your sleep.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/poor-care-called-factor-in-fo ur -deaths-at-mental-health-complex-b99183920z1-240225111.html
 
2014-04-16 02:33:38 PM  

meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.


Too bad.  Liberal policy breeds more homelessness.

Now the rich liberals are mad because they have to look at those less fortunate?  fark off.
 
2014-04-16 02:34:21 PM  

Lee451: I would like to suggest that anyone who is that upset about the homeless, instead of expecting "the government" to do something about the problem, "adopt" a homeless person or family and get personal. Instead of buying Starbucks every morning, buy your adopted homeless person a breakfast. See that they get 3 meals a day; it doesn't have to be expensive; as you cook your dinner, fix an extra portion for your adoptee.


That is actually a super cool idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
2014-04-16 02:35:03 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: These same cities have resisted efforts to provide more public toilet facilities, often on the grounds that this will make their city a "magnet" for homeless people from other cities

um, no.  The magnet is the weather.


One time I was watching a documentary about winter living conditions is North Dakota and one old timer said "well, we don't have a homeless problem here.."   I LOLd, but this situation is sad now.
 
2014-04-16 02:35:21 PM  

bunner: Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.


Seems a lot like

meat0918: what Utah is doing


It gives them a real place to live, its cost effective, and satisfies NIMBYs.  Win-win-win.

I expect abound 50% of the US population to live in free government housing by 2030.  98% by 2050.
 
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