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2014-04-16 01:28:10 PM  
Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.
 
2014-04-16 01:28:11 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo



Its a new thing because YOU just saw it, twice.


/We live in a narcissistic society
 
2014-04-16 01:28:35 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo


There's always been moochers and con artists.  I usually give them a couple of bucks and explain that the BS story doesn't interest me.  The again, it's not like they DON'T need the money, usually.  I mean, apparently, the Walton family has to take in at least 30,000,000.00 a day just to make ends meet and I don't see anybody feeling like a sucker walking out of there with some crappy dish detergent, stuff that takes half a bottle to make any suds, for 1.99, all while making filthy rich people filthy richer.  Now there's a scam.
 
2014-04-16 01:29:10 PM  

SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.

In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?


Geologic related industries. Specifically mineral exploration.
 
2014-04-16 01:30:40 PM  

Ex-Texan: I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters, that's no always a bad thing. But there are those use the system, not as a temporary crutch, but have adopted it largely as a supplement to whatever they have that qualifies as a lifestyle.
My wife and I went on a vacation to the Bay area a couple years back, and, speaking from experience, the area was rife with panhandlers. Even when waiting for a bus, they'd come up to you, asking for a handout, and many were not homeless, they just spotted us as tourists, and wanted some additional cash. The homeless infrastructure is quite well built, and while ai do laud them for helping people in hard times, you do have a lot of "users."plus, ythe support leads to dependency  for many.
Just like that episode of "South Park", where the homeless converge on the tow, and ultimately driven in a Pied Piper  fashion, to California.
Even in the Summer, one year in Phoenix was horrible with the homeless. You'd think the high temperatures would kill them off, but no.


well seeing that you visited San Francisco once, clearly you're the expert on the cities homeless and their infrastructure.
 
2014-04-16 01:31:16 PM  

LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.


If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.
 
2014-04-16 01:31:35 PM  

DoctorCal: PocketfullaSass: I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.

I was also hungry, so thanks for the gummybears in the glovebox.


...would be 5 lbs of sugar-free gummy bears if found in my glovebox.
 
2014-04-16 01:32:28 PM  

sendtodave: bunner:


While we're at it, define "away".


Not near me.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Good luck with that.
 
2014-04-16 01:33:22 PM  

Pangea: Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.


Congratulations, you don't understand statistics and polling.  Do you have any other lack-of-insights to share?

And I can't blame people for not wanting your opinion.
 
2014-04-16 01:33:45 PM  

JudgeSmails: Ex-Texan: I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters, that's no always a bad thing. But there are those use the system, not as a temporary crutch, but have adopted it largely as a supplement to whatever they have that qualifies as a lifestyle.
My wife and I went on a vacation to the Bay area a couple years back, and, speaking from experience, the area was rife with panhandlers. Even when waiting for a bus, they'd come up to you, asking for a handout, and many were not homeless, they just spotted us as tourists, and wanted some additional cash. The homeless infrastructure is quite well built, and while ai do laud them for helping people in hard times, you do have a lot of "users."plus, ythe support leads to dependency  for many.
Just like that episode of "South Park", where the homeless converge on the tow, and ultimately driven in a Pied Piper  fashion, to California.
Even in the Summer, one year in Phoenix was horrible with the homeless. You'd think the high temperatures would kill them off, but no.

well seeing that you visited San Francisco once, clearly you're the expert on the cities homeless and their infrastructure.



Speaking of San Francisco's homelessness problems, I'll just leave this here: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down-BART-esc a lators-3735981.php
 
2014-04-16 01:34:02 PM  

jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.


I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?
 
2014-04-16 01:34:49 PM  

bunner: sendtodave: bunner:


While we're at it, define "away".


Not near me.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x294]

Good luck with that.


Australia still has room.  Ship the undesirables there, like in the old days.

Or, just build more prisons, whatever.  That's where we keep our poor.  Out of sight, out of mind, and we can rightfully blame them for being there, so no liberal guilt!
 
2014-04-16 01:35:00 PM  

vartian: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

Well, we should certainly restrict the rights of other human beings so the children of others don't feel momentarily uncomfortable.


Well, we do it for absolutely everything else, so why not?
 
2014-04-16 01:35:16 PM  
A modest proposal: Let's relocate homeless people to the gated communities of the wealthy. A free 24 hour busing program should do the trick.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:00 PM  

patrick767: A modest proposal: Let's relocate homeless people to the gated communities of the wealthy. A free 24 hour busing program should do the trick.


Great idea!

We can arrest them for trespassing then!  And for resisting arrest, of course.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:08 PM  

Kazahmish: You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..

so while I was in the shelter I ran into many others that were in my situation.. I had a great job, but couldn't get a place.. so not all homeless are bums and drug addicts, drunks.. ect.. ok.. a LOT are.. but putting ALL homeless down is not right.. many slept on the 24 hour bus run.. they called it the mobile motel..  and there are just so many beds shelters can have, and guess what, it is first come first served in many of them.. but you have to be sober to get a bed at the Salvation Army one, they give the breath test before you even enter.  I now have a slightly different attitude towards the homeless.. and these "rich" idiots making these remarks.. Oh how I wish you NEVER end up homeless..



To me there is a difference between being homeless and a bum.  I hate a bum, I hate being begged for money...I hate the stories they make up and then tell me the next day because they don't remember that I walk by them everyday and have heard their story a hundred times now.  I remember as a kid my mother telling a few guys that if you come do mow the lawn or rake I'll pay you.  They all wanted paid up front and the few who actually showed up to do the job either left after barely starting, or got a meal before starting, said they were going out to work and then took off.

Before anyone jumps my case...I was homeless.  I slept in my car for about 4ish months.  I did not have the money to keep my place AND pay to finish college (I had been barely affording it the whole time).  So I did what I had to.  I went to school from 7am-5pm.  Worked from 5pm to midnightish...then drove to the school gym or a friends house to shower, then off to the parking lot of my first class to sleep a couple hours.

One of my best friends lived in shelter for along time too.  But he never asked for a handout.

We both did what was necessary to improve our situation.  What it has done for me was let me see just how little a person can get by on.  What I see as a luxury many see as a necessity (TV, fridge, AC).  But it makes me really appreciate what I have, where I am and the fact that I'm alive.  Those experiences have made my life a happier one.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:16 PM  

meat0918: I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


They would demand the treasury reimburse them and Wall St. would be shut down for a week and senators would harrumph until they sh*t in their pants.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:26 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


and they could down to second harvest and volunteer a few hours a week distributing food to the homeless and soon to be homeless, maybe they'd gain a bit of perspective, probably not but we can always use a few more hands on deck because like Silicon Valley, business is unfortunately good at the food bank.
 
2014-04-16 01:38:32 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


Communism.
 
2014-04-16 01:39:41 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


I'm not expert on the topic, but my guess would be:

1) Some fraction would be intractably homeless due to choice or mental illness; donations wouldn't change that
2) The rest might be able to get on their feet, but probably would still have to move -- Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.
3) You'd end up with a massive influx of homeless from other areas who see (2) and want a piece of the pie.  If you're homeless and reasonably intelligent, then moving where the free services & facilities are is a sensible thing to do.
 
2014-04-16 01:40:44 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo


Its a new thing because YOU just saw it, twice.


/We live in a narcissistic society


What I do, even if it's not true, I just yell out "MAAAAN I just gave you $2 last night!"  There's a good chance they were trying that shiat in that very area the night before and they do it so much they forget your face.
 
2014-04-16 01:43:32 PM  
You might want to call these guys:

Anna G. Eshoo, whose 18th Congressional District is in the Heart of Silicon Valley
202-225-8104

Mike Honda, whose 17th Congressional District is at least partially in Palo Alto
202-225-2631

Maybe they can enlist Pelosi and Feinstein and put government to work for the little people.

/not leprechauns.
 
2014-04-16 01:43:39 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


They would want 100% tax reimbursement and a children's hospital in their name, not stroke their ego, because they feel they should deserve it.
 
2014-04-16 01:43:50 PM  
Next up: a law banning people from sleeping on yachts
 
2014-04-16 01:44:54 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


1%??? What is the ROI on that? If it's not at least 18%, you can forget it buddy.
 
2014-04-16 01:45:14 PM  

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


Frankly, there is no "solving" it. I mean sure some people need a little temporary help, but everyone knows someone who, no matter what you do for them, will simply not be helped (yes it's because they have mental issue, are addicts, whatever).

Look, I'm not wasting any more time/money/effort on "cousin Ryan"... If he doesn't want to help himself and get clean, well the big middle finger he gives us every time we try to get him into rehab is the same thing he gets from me now.  I'm fine with "society" giving him the middle finger as well at this point. He'll be dead some day (soon?) and everyone will say "what a tortured soul", and they'll be right, but in death maybe he'll finally be at rest... personally, I think it's a solid 1-2% of the (any) population that just lives on the fringe and that's firmly where they are no matter what you might think will help them.
 
2014-04-16 01:46:02 PM  

Pangea: FTA: Nationally, 90% of Democrats (and 45% of Republicans) believe the government should act to reduce the rich-poor gap.

Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.

I think it's far more likely that this article is full of shiat, than that I am one of an exceedingly small minority of Democrats.


You are. Do a little research. Those particular numbers are from a Pew Research poll.  Plenty of similar sentiments about the US inequality gap can be found in other polls.
 
2014-04-16 01:46:13 PM  

jshine: meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?

I'm not expert on the topic, but my guess would be:

1) Some fraction would be intractably homeless due to choice or mental illness; donations wouldn't change that
2) The rest might be able to get on their feet, but probably would still have to move -- Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.
3) You'd end up with a massive influx of homeless from other areas who see (2) and want a piece of the pie.  If you're homeless and reasonably intelligent, then moving where the free services & facilities are is a sensible thing to do.


That's easy enough to prevent.

Make it a federal program and as uniform as possible across the states.

You'd still have people go where it is warmer though.
 
2014-04-16 01:47:13 PM  
After reading the thread, it is obvious that the government needs to gather up the homeless and distribute them evenly amongst the HOAs in the city. Then the farkers in this thread will get the new neighbors they love so much, while the people who don't appreciate what they have to offer will no longer have to deal with them. Everybody wins!
 
2014-04-16 01:48:28 PM  

JudgeSmails: meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?

and they could down to second harvest and volunteer a few hours a week distributing food to the homeless and soon to be homeless, maybe they'd gain a bit of perspective, probably not but we can always use a few more hands on deck because like Silicon Valley, business is unfortunately good at the food bank.


What a colossal waste of their valuable time.
 
2014-04-16 01:48:50 PM  
Well fark. Fark dumped my link.

Pew Research poll

Income inequality: 90% of Democrats want government action. 45% of Republicans do.
 
2014-04-16 01:49:50 PM  

meat0918: jshine: meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?

I'm not expert on the topic, but my guess would be:

1) Some fraction would be intractably homeless due to choice or mental illness; donations wouldn't change that
2) The rest might be able to get on their feet, but probably would still have to move -- Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.
3) You'd end up with a massive influx of homeless from other areas who see (2) and want a piece of the pie.  If you're homeless and reasonably intelligent, then moving where the free services & facilities are is a sensible thing to do.

That's easy enough to prevent.

Make it a federal program and as uniform as possible across the states.

You'd still have people go where it is warmer though.



Indeed.  If you dumped enough money into it, you could improve the situation.  ...but without allowing for involuntary commitment or imprisonment, you'll never completely eliminate homelessness -- especially in warm climates where there's relatively little disincentive to being homeless.
 
2014-04-16 01:50:59 PM  

meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.


They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.
 
2014-04-16 01:51:07 PM  

patrick767: Well fark. Fark dumped my link.

Pew Research poll

Income inequality: 90% of Democrats want government action. 45% of Republicans do.


Liberal guilt, I'm telling ya.

Republicans hardly ever feel guilty about anything, even about things they directly cause.  But liberals?  They're worse than Catholics!
 
2014-04-16 01:52:53 PM  

BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.


He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.
 
2014-04-16 01:53:22 PM  

meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.


That's awesome.  How are they avoiding people moving to Utah to score free houses?

/Not that I actually expect you to know.
 
2014-04-16 01:53:49 PM  
Damn I have 2 parking spaces at my place and only use one. I should rent out the other to a homeless person for $20 a month.
 
2014-04-16 01:53:57 PM  
Many rich people get involved by starting a 170(b)(1)(a)(vi) charitable organization with a lofty sounding do-good name and nominating themselves to executive positions.
 
2014-04-16 01:54:20 PM  

Felgraf: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.

Which won't be much help if we keep importing people who can be pressured to accept artificially low wages since their visa is tied to their employment (Which is BS, since it gives an employer INSANE extra leverage that they do not have over an american citizen).


Yeah.

Look, The H1-B guys don't make low enough salaries to the point where it affects your salary to the point where you can't afford rent.  [Insert usual "rent is stupid, taxes are stupid, rent pushes you into such high tax brackets where rent + taxes on income needed to pay rent is more than my parent's combined income" rant here].  You can't do a whole lot ELSE because the rent is too damn high, but the H1-B's are not the main problem anyways.  And besides, I'd much rather that Ragesh be sitting in Cupertino pulling in $60K than in Mumbai pulling in $20K.  Makes it way easier for me to ask for $100K plus signing bonus plus stock.

Despite being in Silicon Valley with the crazy H1-B guys, there's a non-zero chance that I'm a member of the 1% for the next 4 years.  In my early 20's.  (And the land of million-dollar townhouses.  Adjust actual things that you can buy with that money downwards by about 5).  Yeah, I'm not worried.

And the CEO of our company that put me into the 1% was one of those H1-B's.  Yes, bring them here.  Skim India and Brain Drain FTW.

/And since programmers make more than the median wage, H1-B's improve income equality.
//And of course, given that immigrants lower wages, why exactly is the Left so pro-poor/unskilled-people-immigration?
 
2014-04-16 01:54:48 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.

He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.


Did you just call cancer research a waste? I can't tell anymore where derp ends and Poe begins.
 
2014-04-16 01:54:50 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.

He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.



Actually, outcomes for many cancers have dramatically improved over the years.  In many cases, it is curable now, whereas the same cancer might have been invariably fatal in prior decades.  Cancer research is hardly a waste.
 
2014-04-16 01:55:35 PM  
I just don't understand people, either I'm really stupid, crazy, or both, because to me when people talk about poverty and what they do it sounds to me like this if it were 200 years ago:

-Give money to WSLF, Whip Slaves Less Foundation, where we believe that slaves shouldn't be whipped more than once a week. If you believe in our cause please send us money where a small portion of it will be used to write a strongly worded letter to our representatives in Washington.

-With just as little as a penny a day you too can be the proud sponsor of a hungry slave in South Carolina, be assured that you will receive a letter with a sketch of your sponsored slave. Your money will go towards food, and if you're really generous we might be able to arrange for you to send them your old shoes.

-We asked 100 people if they would help a slave. A staggering 68% said they would, we clearly see that people are concerned about other less fortunately. We also asked them if you think the government should get involved in this issue, unsurprisingly only 18% said yes.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:17 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: I can't tell anymore where derp ends and Poe begins.


Then my job is done here.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:22 PM  

ikanreed: Pangea: Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.

Congratulations, you don't understand statistics and polling.  Do you have any other lack-of-insights to share?

And I can't blame people for not wanting your opinion.


Bullshiat.  There are pretty much no people I know who think the government should enact tighter controls over the salaries that companies can offer.Do you honestly think 90% of Democrats want that?

You might want it, but you're one of the most consistently bleeding-heart posters on this site.

Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/public-sees-role-for- go vernment-in-reducing-wealth-inequality/2013/12/17/cf10d708-6785-11e3-8 b5b-a77187b716a3_graphic.html

Only a moron could see that number and assume MORE people support government controls to reduce wealth inequality.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:48 PM  

pippi longstocking: Sadly, this is probably more helpful than any current program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fkyf9UGAE

Poverty is an imbedded structural feature of our current system. It's not a negative side-effect, it's a direct consequence of how the system and law is structured. It's like saying 200 years ago "Slavery bad? I treat my slaves very well, and give them extra food, so you see there is no problem."

You might argue if it's intentional or not, but look at history and tell me when and where society hasn't been like a pyramid, all the wealth and resources in the hands of few and the rest at the bottom.

So please tell me why I'm wrong, or please explain to me (cause I'm stupid) why things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this.


I can explain. Things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this, because society is composed of humans. Legislate against the laws of nature all you want. You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:49 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.

In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?

Geologic related industries. Specifically mineral exploration.


Would you be willing to explain why?
 
2014-04-16 01:57:04 PM  

p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!


HURUHURDUDUERUDURDRRRRRR! I HAZ A THOUGHTZ TOO GUYZ!!!
I'm pregnant Your attempt was bad, and you should feel bad
 
2014-04-16 01:57:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.

"I was walking behind this guy on the street; homeless dude comes up and asks him for some money. The guy goes, 'Why'ntcha get a job ya BUM?!' People always say that to homeless guys like it's so easy. This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants. OUTSIDE his pants. I'm guessing his resume ain't all up-to-date. I'm predicting some problems during the interview process. I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."

// "Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically, I'm sure it's on the books."


 A lot of homeless people also suffer from mental health issues; he was probably one of them.
 
2014-04-16 01:57:41 PM  

Calamityfox: You would think those billionaires would understand the value homeless serve in keeping our society from rising up and killing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEBOavYqHQ    (some minor bad words)


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Won't happen.  I have it on good authority that millions of gun owners could never hope to revolt against the government because it has jets, tanks, nukes, etc.
I also understand that the rich own the government.

What chance could poor people have against armed rich people and the government they supposedly own?
 
2014-04-16 01:58:09 PM  
Hobo doing it wrong.
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