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2014-04-16 01:02:07 PM

wingedkat: I do understand the discomfort. I dislike being hastled for money by panhandlers as much as anyone.

So, I give to my local homeless shelters, food bank and charities, and I support policies that increase funding for shelter, job training and mental health services. If people are botherd by people on the street, they need to increase services to help people get off the street, not make laws against trying to survive.


It's pretty much a fact that MOST of the money taken in by charities ends up on the ledger as "administrative expenses".
 
2014-04-16 01:02:44 PM

HelloNeuman: Go be poor somewhere else.

[www.wildwomanfundraising.com image 421x357]


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-16 01:03:16 PM

bunner: wingedkat: I do understand the discomfort. I dislike being hastled for money by panhandlers as much as anyone.

So, I give to my local homeless shelters, food bank and charities, and I support policies that increase funding for shelter, job training and mental health services. If people are botherd by people on the street, they need to increase services to help people get off the street, not make laws against trying to survive.

It's pretty much a fact that MOST of the money taken in by charities ends up on the ledger as "administrative expenses".


Such as employing people to operate a homeless shelter.
 
2014-04-16 01:03:25 PM

FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""


CEOs understand supply and demand. They need STEM majors, so to keep the price low, they work hard to increase the supply. Encourage the smartest of the peasants to go into debt for the degrees. The non dischargeable debt makes them very pliant and eager for a job.

If the wages are still above what the CEO wants to pay, then he has Congress increase the H1B Visa quota. Those guys are contract slaves, and seeing them fill jobs keeps the locals from getting uppity at salary negotiations.
 
2014-04-16 01:03:57 PM
 
2014-04-16 01:04:19 PM
You would think those billionaires would understand the value homeless serve in keeping our society from rising up and killing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEBOavYqHQ    (some minor bad words)


www.kotzendes-einhorn.de
 
2014-04-16 01:05:25 PM

probesport: Such as employing people to operate a homeless shelter.


Which will open just as soon as the working class gets off the dime and brings the charity's books up over and above "administrative expenses".  Give 'til it hurts.  Cause we ain't gonna.
 
2014-04-16 01:05:26 PM

Private_Citizen: CEOs understand supply and demand. They need STEM majors, so to keep the price low, they work hard to increase the supply. Encourage the smartest of the peasants to go into debt for the degrees. The non dischargeable debt makes them very pliant and eager for a job.

If the wages are still above what the CEO wants to pay, then he has Congress increase the H1B Visa quota. Those guys are contract slaves, and seeing them fill jobs keeps the locals from getting uppity at salary negotiations.



You're absolutely right, which is why when the Dad upthread says, "See, kids, this is why you should study STEM. You don't want to end up homeless like this guy, do ya?" I get pissed off.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:13 PM

OscarTamerz: Turn the key in the ignition and go someplace you can:

1. Get a job.  

2. Afford housing.


Housing is expensive here precisely because it's where the jobs are.  People drive in from cities two hours inland because there isn't enough work out there.  Unfortunately, the homes in those cities still aren't that cheap because they're all large.  Still much cheaper than in the Bay Area, but not easy to afford if you're starting from zero.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:16 PM

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Big words from a guy who lives in a barrel.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:49 PM
"To be sure, people living in cars cannot be the best neighbors. Some people are able to acquire old and ugly - but still functioning - recreational vehicles with bathrooms; others do the best they can."

s4.postimg.org
 
2014-04-16 01:07:15 PM

FizixJunkee: You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""


They are talking about PhD's going into Academia. The article even says those 80% that leave academia find jobs elsewhere with only a few remaining unemployed. Judging by the number of applicants I get when I try to hire engineers I would have to agree that we could use a lot more engineers.
 
2014-04-16 01:07:40 PM

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


What do you mean?  The problem is that we can see, and hear, and smell the homeless.

Removing them fixes the problem.

I mean, sure, I guess the larger problem is that they exist in the first place, but, I mean, we can't just kill them all! Even though we want to, that wouldn't be moral.
 
2014-04-16 01:08:13 PM

Dr Dreidel: I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."


Yeah, those guys are farking Nazis about it too.
 
2014-04-16 01:08:18 PM

KidneyStone: RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart? Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option

This.


Maybe that depends from place to place, or maybe they've loosened up in the past 9 or 10 years. I've had a cop wake me up and roust me out of a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the night before, even when I was parked out on the edge where they allowed RVs and campers. "Yeah, but you're not in an RV."
 
2014-04-16 01:09:23 PM
i188.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-16 01:11:03 PM
Homelessness is a serious problem and that's why I support certain social programs.

...What?  No I don't care about  those people, I just want social programs to keep them somewhere else so they don't directly ask me for spare change.  Eww, disgusting.

/sarcasm
//But if you helped these people, maybe you wouldn't see them on the streets?
///helping people improves everyones quality of life?  unpossible!!
 
2014-04-16 01:11:22 PM

carlisimo: OscarTamerz: Turn the key in the ignition and go someplace you can:

1. Get a job.  

2. Afford housing.

Housing is expensive here precisely because it's where the jobs are.  People drive in from cities two hours inland because there isn't enough work out there.  Unfortunately, the homes in those cities still aren't that cheap because they're all large.  Still much cheaper than in the Bay Area, but not easy to afford if you're starting from zero.


we looked in SF and the pretty much all the cities in SV for a house and or condo, we ended up in half moon bay, it was slightly more affordable than every place within 50 miles or cupertino. waiting for Mountainview to be renamed GoogleVille.
 
2014-04-16 01:12:38 PM

Headso: Keep pushing and the homeless will just do home invasions on these rich people and live there as long as they can stand the smell of the rotting corpses of the previous occupants.


Right.

If that didn't happen in 2009 when literally millions of people were losing their jobs, homes, life savings, and retirement prospects while the government bailed out the banks, airlines, and auto companies, it will never happen.

Americans are far too complacent.
 
2014-04-16 01:13:25 PM

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


bullsheet.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-16 01:13:39 PM
What a homeless person who sleepis in his car might look like.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-16 01:13:53 PM

ScaryBottles: You know who else thought an unpopular minority should be relocated?


Most caucasians in the U.S..  They called it Manifest Destiny.
 
2014-04-16 01:14:03 PM

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.


In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?
 
2014-04-16 01:14:54 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dr Dreidel: I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."

Yeah, those guys are farking Nazis about it too.


Someone's being a Lazy Boy...
 
2014-04-16 01:14:59 PM

SphericalTime: In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?


img.groundspeak.com
 
2014-04-16 01:15:22 PM
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-04-16 01:15:47 PM
"We have, in this new, house of cards digital economy, made billions and billions of dollars with ostensibly free, dodgy services, things we get from China for about .002 on the dollar and lots of ads!"

"So now we can utilize all this capital to create and shape a vibrant, new America where there is true opportunity and access to a comfortable life?"


"No, you dipwad, we're gonna shove it up our asses and have pissing contests with our quarterly reports and buy egregiously expensive crap and set it on fire when we're bored."


"Sorry to hear."
 
2014-04-16 01:16:51 PM
These people just don't want to keep their heads attached anymore do they? Because they are going to lose them soon if they keep this bullshiat up.
 
2014-04-16 01:16:54 PM

PocketfullaSass: I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.


Well, you've had good luck... Left the side door unlocked on our van when I lived in Phx. Came out from work to find a homeless guy sleeping in it. He left me a nice puddle of vomit as a 'Thank You'.
 
2014-04-16 01:17:47 PM
Homeless people are so analog.
 
2014-04-16 01:18:09 PM
The 1% wants to ban sleeping in cars

So, rich people want it.

Across the United States, many local governments are responding to skyrocketing levels of inequality and the now decades-long crisis of homelessness among the very poor ... by passing laws making it a crime to sleep in a parked car.

The representatives of the People want it.

The largest of them is Los Angeles, the longtime unofficial "homeless capital of America", where lawyers are currently defending a similar vehicle-sleeping law before a skeptical federal appellate court.

Damned activist judges!
 
2014-04-16 01:19:30 PM

PocketfullaSass: I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.


I was also hungry, so thanks for the gummybears in the glovebox.
 
2014-04-16 01:19:38 PM

ScaryBottles: meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.
So I guess you missed the part of the article where they pointed out that the programs you're referring to are taxed far beyond their capacity already. In some cases trying to help 10 times the number of people they are equipped to.

Now do the one about the lazy homeless bum who makes $400 a day begging while you slave over the frier at McD's thats my favorite.


I want a solution beyond a place to sleep, is that too much to ask?

And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.
 
2014-04-16 01:21:13 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: These people just don't want to keep their heads attached anymore do they? Because they are going to lose them soon if they keep this bullshiat up.


Yes, yes, we know that poor people are dangerous and violent.  That's why prisons exist.

And that's why we want them to just go away!
 
2014-04-16 01:21:28 PM

nekom: So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


The problem is that it isn't just one problem, making the solution considerably more challenging. I've got a solution, but it involves making me emperor for life.
 
2014-04-16 01:23:45 PM

sendtodave: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: These people just don't want to keep their heads attached anymore do they? Because they are going to lose them soon if they keep this bullshiat up.

Yes, yes, we know that poor people are dangerous and violent.  That's why prisons exist.

And that's why we want them to just go away!


So prisons exist for the poor?  Huh.  While we're at it, define "away".
 
2014-04-16 01:23:48 PM
homeless people are gross.  ever see the park in front of city hall in SF?  full of disgusting, dirty homeless people.  try just sitting down and enjoying the day with all those people.  we're talking hundreds.  one of the most successful cities in the world and it friggin looks like a dump.

/too poor for SF, move someplace where you won't be poor
//sam kinison was right, poor people are DUMB!!
 
2014-04-16 01:24:13 PM
A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo
 
2014-04-16 01:24:42 PM

AngryDragon: Headso: Keep pushing and the homeless will just do home invasions on these rich people and live there as long as they can stand the smell of the rotting corpses of the previous occupants.

Right.

If that didn't happen in 2009 when literally millions of people were losing their jobs, homes, life savings, and retirement prospects while the government bailed out the banks, airlines, and auto companies, it will never happen.

Americans are far too complacent.


....................and the wealthy and their supporters are too well armed. Just try living in Pelosi's house.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:00 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I don't understand. Why don't these homeless people just sleep in their parents guest homes?


Fitting handle for you, Mr. Romney.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:01 PM
Having lived in my car in Palo Alto, I'm obligated to post something here. My circumstance was slightly different... I was (am) gainfully employed, but found myself in a situation where I didn't have housing. It was a strange feeling being between places. I couch surfed a little bit, but I felt uncomfortable being in other people's good graces and thought to myself I could just tough it out while waiting on the new place. What are you gonna do? Rent a hotel/motel room for a month while waiting for your new place to open up? A month is a long time to live on someone else's couch. Plus, where I worked they had pretty amenable facilities (bathroom with shower).

But I still had to worry about where I parked my car as not to arouse suspicion.

I've lived in the Silicon Valley all my life, and barring the traffic and hipsters, I love the place and have no desire to leave. But it can be very hard to afford to live here. I make good enough money that if I only had myself to worry about, I could easily rent a small place and maybe save up for home ownership... oh nevermind. I'll never be able to afford a home here unless I start earning six figures. Like the rest of the middle class home shoppers, I'll have to look over the hills outside of the valley to get a home.

But our homeless. What to say about the homeless here? Some are aggressive panhandlers, even in residential neighborhoods. Some are just your typical stinky and hopeless downtrodden folk. Some are grifters working the freeway exits and then getting picked up at the day's end. But there definitely more people who got economic-downturned. It's becoming a thing. Living in your car is a way to climb back out... pinching the pennies to keep from losing everything. I could have lived in a motel and racked up some significant debt, hoping to dig my way back out of that. Or I could have sucked it up and just overstayed my welcome at friends' houses (doing what I could to mitigate any resentment... chores around the house, making myself as invisible as I could). I felt like this was a good and conscionable alternative. Now it appears I was just a dirty lawbreaker.

There's no one easy answer to homelessness. I know this. But I also know that Palo Alto is indeed filled with selfish douchebag pricks who feel entitled instead of blessed. Money really does turn people into assholes.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:32 PM

bunner: So prisons exist for the poor?


Isn't that self evident?

While we're at it, define "away".

Not near me.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:34 PM

jshine: SphericalTime: In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?


So McDonalds is refusing to hire people that have passed their McDonalds university sessions?

Yeah, I get not hiring a physics Ph.D. for burger slinging makes sense, but what about at a physics thinktank?
 
2014-04-16 01:26:27 PM

Private_Citizen: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

CEOs understand supply and demand. They need STEM majors, so to keep the price low, they work hard to increase the supply. Encourage the smartest of the peasants to go into debt for the degrees. The non dischargeable debt makes them very pliant and eager for a job.

If the wages are still above what the CEO wants to pay, then he has Congress increase the H1B Visa quota. Those guys are contract slaves, and seeing them fill jobs keeps the locals from getting uppity at salary negotiations.


He also colludes with his peers at the rest of the major tech employers to keep wages for those skills artificially low.
 
2014-04-16 01:26:31 PM

Ex-Texan: I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters,



encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com


/bullshiat
 
2014-04-16 01:26:39 PM
FTA: Nationally, 90% of Democrats (and 45% of Republicans) believe the government should act to reduce the rich-poor gap.

Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.

I think it's far more likely that this article is full of shiat, than that I am one of an exceedingly small minority of Democrats.

Just because I support an increase in the minimum wage doesn't mean I think there should be a limit on what you can pay top-earners.

This is probably just more evidence that all polls can be interpreted to say pretty much whatever fits your agenda.
 
2014-04-16 01:26:41 PM
It's not people living in the cars that is a problem, nor is it the cars, it's the wasted resources that a true fiefdom needs that is a problem. For example, I have several peasants residing in a few various American made automobiles, and I have assigned to them each, a small plot of land (parts of the east acreage adjacent to those nouveau riche neighbors) and they are expected to tend to it, and pay me a sum that is based on the per-existing taxes on that land. in return, I ensure that they will not be attacked by mercenaries (other than my own hirelings). In the long term, I will certainly sire more bastards and eventually, they will establish dominance over the serfs accordingly, and then by proxy will continue to maintain my will upon them as their overlord. There's no sense at all being upset about "homeless" living in "cars" if one sets out to make a positive change.
 
2014-04-16 01:26:46 PM
"Are there no prisons?  And the workhouses?  Are they still in operation?"
 
2014-04-16 01:27:44 PM
Sadly, this is probably more helpful than any current program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fkyf9UGAE

Poverty is an imbedded structural feature of our current system. It's not a negative side-effect, it's a direct consequence of how the system and law is structured. It's like saying 200 years ago "Slavery bad? I treat my slaves very well, and give them extra food, so you see there is no problem."

You might argue if it's intentional or not, but look at history and tell me when and where society hasn't been like a pyramid, all the wealth and resources in the hands of few and the rest at the bottom.

So please tell me why I'm wrong, or please explain to me (cause I'm stupid) why things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this.
 
2014-04-16 01:27:54 PM

EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo


Here the scam is that they were evicted from their apartment and need money for a hotel room.  It is the same story from different people that seem to rotate through the same parking lots.

Before that I got a lot of "My car broke down and I don't have any cash and I'm hungry."  It never failed that when I offered to buy them something to eat they would just ask me if they could have the money.
 
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