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2014-04-16 12:36:35 PM

jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.

Industrial Trade School.

/FTFU
 
2014-04-16 12:36:47 PM
Isn't it nice how our cities treat those in the greatest need? They tell them to GTFO.

I know someone right here in my hometown who spends an enormous amount of her own time and money, and she's far from rich, doing something she believes in. Existing area programs have proven inadequate, so she's doing it herself.

Besides feeding scores of people multiple times a week, she delivers donated blankets, coats, gloves, etc. to people so they won't freeze to death. How does the city help? They take away that vital clothing and incinerate it. Why? Because sometimes homeless people go inside and can't take a big farking bundle of blankets and such in with them. The public library, among other places, doesn't allow it. So they have to leave their bundles somewhere. The police find, confiscate, and burn them.

She has complained to the city about this and other anti homeless practices numerous times to no avail. The city's real attitude: they want the homeless people to GTFO.

AverageAmericanGuy:
A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.


You could RTFA that explains that many cities are passing similar laws. It's not just "high rent" districts, not that it's okay for any city to do it, regardless of their income level.
 
2014-04-16 12:40:49 PM
It's true, Silicon Valley is the first city to propose banning sleeping in cars.
 
2014-04-16 12:40:54 PM
It's all well and good to decry the "rich" for not wanting car campers but honestly, would you want a bunch of POS cars parked on your street with sketchy people crashed out inside?

Then again, I live in Canadastan so we give our homeless free apartments and health care.
 
2014-04-16 12:41:08 PM
vpb [TotalFark]

First Debtors prison and now anti-vagrancy laws. I guess we'll bring back segregation next.

California democrats approve.
 
2014-04-16 12:41:24 PM

meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.

So I guess you missed the part of the article where they pointed out that the programs you're referring to are taxed far beyond their capacity already. In some cases trying to help 10 times the number of people they are equipped to.

Now do the one about the lazy homeless bum who makes $400 a day begging while you slave over the frier at McD's thats my favorite.
 
2014-04-16 12:42:25 PM

FizixJunkee: graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for


jobs aren't a limited resource.
 
2014-04-16 12:42:31 PM
I would recommend a ducebag tax. But the the 1% would be homeless.
 
2014-04-16 12:42:38 PM
As a practical matter, how would you prove the guy was sleeping? His eyes were closed?
 
2014-04-16 12:43:11 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If you live in a car but have no job, Silicon Valley really isn't the place for you.

Unless you can marry a millionaire VC, that is.


Sure it is.  I ride BART to work and the programmers are just as stinky as the homeless.  Someone living in a car would fit in just fine.
 
2014-04-16 12:43:21 PM
I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.
 
2014-04-16 12:43:31 PM

reillan: bdub77: Can't we just set up the homeless in work-based communal housing? I believe work will set them free. This place looks legit:

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x330]

Wait wait... Arby's makes fries now?


Little known fact: Nazis originally invented the curly-fry potato machine and the strange quasi-cheese substance in Beef 'n' Cheddars, and set up Arby's as a front.  They made the whole thing a really bad trans-lingual pun, figuring Americans would be too stupid to get the joke.   It's pretty disturbing really... people know about the Nazis and Ford, or Nazis and IBM.  Few know the terrible secret behind Horsey Sauce.
 
2014-04-16 12:45:07 PM
You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..

so while I was in the shelter I ran into many others that were in my situation.. I had a great job, but couldn't get a place.. so not all homeless are bums and drug addicts, drunks.. ect.. ok.. a LOT are.. but putting ALL homeless down is not right.. many slept on the 24 hour bus run.. they called it the mobile motel..  and there are just so many beds shelters can have, and guess what, it is first come first served in many of them.. but you have to be sober to get a bed at the Salvation Army one, they give the breath test before you even enter.  I now have a slightly different attitude towards the homeless.. and these "rich" idiots making these remarks.. Oh how I wish you NEVER end up homeless..
 
2014-04-16 12:45:57 PM

Shadi: jobs aren't a limited resource.


They are at this point in time.
 
2014-04-16 12:46:15 PM
"The poor are getting fed up with our sh*t."

"Well, I mean, so what?  We didn't take ALL the money.  There's still enough left for most of them for food and some rudimentary shelter."


"Well, not really.  We've pretty much hoovered up most of the liquid economy and shoved it up our twice kissed asses.  Plus, I mean, they're still having babies and stuff, you know."


"Well whose fault is THAT?  Now have Consuelo fetch me a gimlet.  That lazy cow had better start earning her 125.00 a week and bedroom!"
 
2014-04-16 12:47:05 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.



I have to wonder if you were like that before you had kids.
 
2014-04-16 12:47:33 PM

Shadi: FizixJunkee: graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for

jobs aren't a limited resource.


Demand that creates them, and capital that backs the industries that meet the demand, are.
 
2014-04-16 12:48:00 PM
First... Great headline, subby. Not sure if anyone else caught the misdirection there.

Second, not all cities are responding like this. Salt Lake has implemented a program to provide homeless vets with a place to live, with no strings attached. They did the math and figured out that letting them catch frostbite in the streets cost an average of $16K a year, while giving them an apartment cost about $10K a year.
 
2014-04-16 12:48:42 PM
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2014-04-16 12:49:03 PM
That leaves residential areas, where overnight street parking cannot, as a practical matter, be prohibited.

Author of TFA doesn't seem to be too familiar with the area, as overnight street parking is already illegal in Menlo Park, just next door to Palo Alto.
 
2014-04-16 12:49:51 PM
Americans sleeping in their own cars literally have nowhere to go.

Turn the key in the ignition and go someplace you can:

1. Get a job.  If you don't have the skills to pay the bills then you're in the wrong damn place and your ass could be working a fracking site,

2. Afford housing.  There's no law that says you have to live in the places with the highest housing costs in the nation like Atherton next door to Larry Ellison. If you want to be a bum go up to Frisco where you can pee and poop on the sidewalks and the Friscans actually like it and the lovely aroma it produces.  It must remind them of Venice. There's always Oakland and Richmond but good luck making it out of there alive.
 
2014-04-16 12:50:30 PM
Don't worry.  When all of the industry magically comes back and starts using all of those deserted and now useless industrial buildings that the owners are letting rot because "these are for commercial purposes only!", everybody will be wiping their ass on silk.  Any day now!
 
2014-04-16 12:51:02 PM
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2014-04-16 12:51:36 PM

FizixJunkee: Shadi: jobs aren't a limited resource.

They are at this point in time.


They always have been. That's why labor markets have evolved to rely on contracts which allow workers to be fired, rather than contracts for specific, defined work to be completed.
 
2014-04-16 12:52:12 PM
Of course very resident of Silicon Valley is a billionaire, and they hate the poor.

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Most people I know don't want someone living in a car in their neighborhood.
 
2014-04-16 12:52:36 PM

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


I'll bet they even have refrigerators in their cars
 
2014-04-16 12:53:42 PM
Why are local billionaires homeless?
 
2014-04-16 12:53:57 PM
There is a vacated WalMart etc shopping center near me that was bought out by a mega church out of the blue. Never heard of these guys before, but they cater to the very wealthy in the area. It's right across from the mall so this is premium property. On the other side of town is a tent city in the woods with at least 30 children, unless the city has forced them to move.

There is a serious problem with this societal dichotomy at this level of severity, and it cannot continue for long.
 
2014-04-16 12:54:18 PM
These same cities have resisted efforts to provide more public toilet facilities, often on the grounds that this will make their city a "magnet" for homeless people from other cities

um, no.  The magnet is the weather.
 
2014-04-16 12:54:36 PM

FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""


They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.
 
2014-04-16 12:55:06 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option


Do you really think that one of the richest cities in the country is going to have a Walmart?
 
2014-04-16 12:55:29 PM
I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!
 
2014-04-16 12:55:39 PM
Wow... That is horrible.  It should never be illegal to be homeless.  If you think otherwise then I absolutely hope that your life falls down around you and you find yourself on the streets...

/Libertarian Conservative
 
2014-04-16 12:56:28 PM
I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters, that's no always a bad thing. But there are those use the system, not as a temporary crutch, but have adopted it largely as a supplement to whatever they have that qualifies as a lifestyle.
My wife and I went on a vacation to the Bay area a couple years back, and, speaking from experience, the area was rife with panhandlers. Even when waiting for a bus, they'd come up to you, asking for a handout, and many were not homeless, they just spotted us as tourists, and wanted some additional cash. The homeless infrastructure is quite well built, and while ai do laud them for helping people in hard times, you do have a lot of "users."plus, ythe support leads to dependency  for many.
Just like that episode of "South Park", where the homeless converge on the tow, and ultimately driven in a Pied Piper  fashion, to California.
Even in the Summer, one year in Phoenix was horrible with the homeless. You'd think the high temperatures would kill them off, but no.
 
2014-04-16 12:57:22 PM
Well, in their car they feel safest of all. They can lock all their doors - it's the only way to live.
 
2014-04-16 12:57:28 PM

techgeek07: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

I'll bet they even have refrigerators in their cars


oklahomaoptions.files.wordpress.com
               What a vacationing middle class family might look like.
 
2014-04-16 12:58:02 PM

OscarTamerz: 1. Get a job.  If you don't have the skills to pay the bills then you're in the wrong damn place and your ass could be working a fracking site,



What if you can get a job because there aren't any jobs to get?


"In her analysis, EPI economist Heidi Shierholz notes that unemployed workers far outnumber job openings in every sector, which demonstrates that the main problem in the labor market is a broad-based lack of demand for workers-and not, as is often claimed, available workers lacking the skills needed for the sectors with job openings."

http://www.epi.org/press/unemployed-workers-outnumber-job-openings/
 
2014-04-16 12:58:21 PM
Yep, I see no other solution anymore.  Kill the rich morons.
 
2014-04-16 12:58:33 PM

Kazahmish: You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..


Serious question, why did you move before getting your housing situation locked down?
 
2014-04-16 12:59:45 PM

bunner: techgeek07: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

I'll bet they even have refrigerators in their cars

[oklahomaoptions.files.wordpress.com image 500x402]
               What a vacationing middle class family might look like.



Is it bad that I looked at that picture and thought 'hey, even homeless women wear mom jeans'.
 
2014-04-16 12:59:46 PM

p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!


If you read this in a Scrooge McDuck  voice, it's hilarious.
 
2014-04-16 12:59:51 PM
I do understand the discomfort. I dislike being hastled for money by panhandlers as much as anyone.

So, I give to my local homeless shelters, food bank and charities, and I support policies that increase funding for shelter, job training and mental health services. If people are botherd by people on the street, they need to increase services to help people get off the street, not make laws against trying to survive.
 
2014-04-16 12:59:59 PM

ScaryBottles: AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.
You know who else thought an unpopular minority should be relocated?



The US government?
 
2014-04-16 01:00:10 PM
Them poor folks got it way too good, let's make it even harder for them to survive.  At least move them out of eyesight.
 
2014-04-16 01:00:22 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.


As someone who lived in Cupertino from 2010 to 2013, this is true.  It's expensive, and you need to have a job that really requires you being there.  It's not really a "fun" place to live, nor is it anywhere close to affordable.  The South Bay is really meant for business.
 
2014-04-16 01:00:23 PM

Phonesecs: RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option

Do you really think that one of the richest cities in the country is going to have a Walmart?


Yes.  There is one in Mountain View (next to Palo Alto)
 
2014-04-16 01:01:16 PM

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.


No, not just PhDs.  STEM graduates at any level:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth #. UwkZ6DlYDPI.facebook
 
2014-04-16 01:01:29 PM
Seriously, if you have a billion dollars, what is forking over a couple mill to assist people? The good PR helps your company and you should make that back in interest within the month.
 
2014-04-16 01:01:49 PM

LandOfChocolate: Phonesecs: RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option

Do you really think that one of the richest cities in the country is going to have a Walmart?

Yes.  There is one in Mountain View (next to Palo Alto)


One right in Milpitas too, and Sunnyvale I believe.
 
2014-04-16 01:02:01 PM

LandOfChocolate: Kazahmish: You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..

Serious question, why did you move before getting your housing situation locked down?


Or, if you're going to work a $9.50/hr job, why not do it in a place with the lowest cost-of-living possible?  Make that money go as far as possible.
 
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