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(Guardian)   Local billionaires think it's wrong that there are people who sleep in cars in Silicon Valley because they are homeless, and want to improve their quality of life   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2014-04-16 10:23:26 AM  
If you live in a car but have no job, Silicon Valley really isn't the place for you.

Unless you can marry a millionaire VC, that is.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-16 10:28:08 AM  
First Debtors prison and now anti-vagrancy laws.  I guess we'll bring back segregation next.
 
2014-04-16 10:33:06 AM  
That'll teach em
 
2014-04-16 10:39:41 AM  
They urinate in there!
 
2014-04-16 10:56:44 AM  
They might just use the car as a toilet and move on.
 
2014-04-16 11:03:44 AM  
I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.
 
2014-04-16 11:12:37 AM  
Can't we just set up the homeless in work-based communal housing? I believe work will set them free. This place looks legit:

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2014-04-16 11:17:49 AM  
Keep pushing and the homeless will just do home invasions on these rich people and live there as long as they can stand the smell of the rotting corpses of the previous occupants.
 
2014-04-16 11:26:03 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.


So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.
 
2014-04-16 11:27:02 AM  
If you can afford a car you're not poor.
 
2014-04-16 11:32:55 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.


Not sure if serious.
 
2014-04-16 11:36:01 AM  

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.
 
2014-04-16 11:54:00 AM  
I don't understand. Why don't these homeless people just sleep in their parents guest homes?
 
2014-04-16 12:06:08 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Ok thanks for that brilliant insight.

I'm pretty sure it's cheaper to own a car and eat than pay rent AND own a car and eat
 
2014-04-16 12:12:48 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.


Well, we should certainly restrict the rights of other human beings so the children of others don't feel momentarily uncomfortable.
 
2014-04-16 12:17:00 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.


You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.
 
2014-04-16 12:18:24 PM  

Methadone Girls: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

Ok thanks for that brilliant insight.

I'm pretty sure it's cheaper to own a car and eat than pay rent AND own a car and eat


Depends on the car, and how often it needs repaired.

/former BMW owner
 
2014-04-16 12:19:24 PM  

jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.


Which won't bemuch help if we keep importing people who can be pressured to accept artificially low wages since their visa is tied to their employment (Which is BS, since it gives an employer INSANE extra leverage that they do not have over an american citizen).
 
2014-04-16 12:20:47 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley


Exactly! Why don't these people just drive their cars to their vacation homes in Marin? Honestly, they are just being lazy?
 
2014-04-16 12:21:21 PM  
Go be poor somewhere else.

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2014-04-16 12:21:40 PM  

SurfaceTension: Methadone Girls: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

Ok thanks for that brilliant insight.

I'm pretty sure it's cheaper to own a car and eat than pay rent AND own a car and eat

Depends on the car, and how often it needs repaired.

/former BMW owner


I didn't realize they were sleeping in beemers. Carry on then.

/They're so not sleeping in beemers
 
2014-04-16 12:22:10 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Only if it has a tape deck...with a Creedence tape.
 
2014-04-16 12:22:18 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.


"I was walking behind this guy on the street; homeless dude comes up and asks him for some money. The guy goes, 'Why'ntcha get a job ya BUM?!' People always say that to homeless guys like it's so easy. This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants. OUTSIDE his pants. I'm guessing his resume ain't all up-to-date. I'm predicting some problems during the interview process. I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."

// "Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically, I'm sure it's on the books."
 
2014-04-16 12:22:29 PM  
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Understand their plight.
 
2014-04-16 12:22:33 PM  
I usually expect one of two things from a Fark headline:

1. The headline should make me laugh; or
2. The headline should succinctly disclose the gist of an article I'm too lazy to click on and read.

Subby's headline did neither.
 
2014-04-16 12:22:46 PM  
Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option
 
2014-04-16 12:23:49 PM  
Build them a parking garage?
 
2014-04-16 12:23:50 PM  
Moraga was all about having galas to raise money for bum shelters..
until someone suggested building it near them..
then they went berzerk
 
2014-04-16 12:24:04 PM  

jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.


I'm working with a guy who has his degree in Mechanical Engineering. He has years of experience under his belt, a hard worker, very friendly guy with a good professional attitude. He just got this job after being unemployed for almost a year. A year of constantly hitting the pavement looking for work. I have my dumb little BS in History but I've never been unemployed with this degree. Never. And now we have this nice job that pays well but ya know, we both get paid the same and neither of us is using our degrees here.
 
2014-04-16 12:24:40 PM  
Hmmm.

I wonder how many of the car dwellers work there?
 
2014-04-16 12:25:08 PM  
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Keep it up you greedy f*cking pigs.
 
2014-04-16 12:25:42 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Especially if you have a refrigerator in it.
 
2014-04-16 12:26:41 PM  
Err BA in history that is. Meh.
 
2014-04-16 12:26:45 PM  
Just invent an "appartment" that people can live in for free. It would probably only take a Hack Day or two.
 
2014-04-16 12:26:51 PM  

UberDave: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

Only if it has a tape deck...with a Creedence tape.


They don't want to be stuck in Lodi again.
 
2014-04-16 12:27:21 PM  

jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.



You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""
 
2014-04-16 12:27:50 PM  
Didn't read the article (like any good farker) but saw the picture of skid row and was like, "I've been there."  It was interesting (not quite the right word) to see the disparity between homeless living on the street and the next street over is where the $$ lives and they passed an ordinance (law?) that no one can sleep on the streets past x street.  Sad all the way around. :(
 
2014-04-16 12:28:04 PM  
Diogenes

If you can afford a car you're not poor.


You obviously haven't looks at rent/home prices in Silicon Valley.
 
2014-04-16 12:28:09 PM  
Why don't they pass a law that rich people can punch a poor person, but only if they give that $100 to another rich person?

It's that kind of circulation that will make our economy strong again.
 
2014-04-16 12:29:33 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


You don't have to own a car to sleep in one.
 
2014-04-16 12:29:35 PM  
 
2014-04-16 12:30:04 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.



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2014-04-16 12:31:46 PM  
I hear that California is super cool to the homeless. Especially the city of Santa Monica.

Am I to believe this is not true now? What about Redwood? Or Del Ray?
 
2014-04-16 12:31:46 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Put a lot of thought into that statement, eh?
 
2014-04-16 12:32:30 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.

You know who else thought an unpopular minority should be relocated?

Its really so seldom someone actually says something dumb enough to legitimately earn a proper Godwin.....
 
2014-04-16 12:33:08 PM  

bdub77: Can't we just set up the homeless in work-based communal housing? I believe work will set them free. This place looks legit:

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Wait wait... Arby's makes fries now?
 
2014-04-16 12:34:32 PM  
Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.
 
2014-04-16 12:34:37 PM  
1. There will always be unsympathetic douchebags, not the real case.
2. The "anti-homeless" laws being passed are pushed by people profiting from control, misery, and incarceration in a for-profit jail system, still can't believe this issue isn't even discussed especially when we hold the WORLD'S largest inmate population.
3. People are myopic cretins, NIMBY.
 
2014-04-16 12:35:46 PM  
Dear filthy rich idiots,

Start returning some of your pelf back into the economy at someplace besides Neiman Marcus and people wont have to live in their cars.


Economies  *  are  *  wealth redistribution, you doltish twats.


Grow up and let some of the other kids play.  They ain't gonna put it in the casket.  No, seriously.  They ain't.
 
2014-04-16 12:36:35 PM  

jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.

Industrial Trade School.

/FTFU
 
2014-04-16 12:36:47 PM  
Isn't it nice how our cities treat those in the greatest need? They tell them to GTFO.

I know someone right here in my hometown who spends an enormous amount of her own time and money, and she's far from rich, doing something she believes in. Existing area programs have proven inadequate, so she's doing it herself.

Besides feeding scores of people multiple times a week, she delivers donated blankets, coats, gloves, etc. to people so they won't freeze to death. How does the city help? They take away that vital clothing and incinerate it. Why? Because sometimes homeless people go inside and can't take a big farking bundle of blankets and such in with them. The public library, among other places, doesn't allow it. So they have to leave their bundles somewhere. The police find, confiscate, and burn them.

She has complained to the city about this and other anti homeless practices numerous times to no avail. The city's real attitude: they want the homeless people to GTFO.

AverageAmericanGuy:
A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.


You could RTFA that explains that many cities are passing similar laws. It's not just "high rent" districts, not that it's okay for any city to do it, regardless of their income level.
 
2014-04-16 12:40:49 PM  
It's true, Silicon Valley is the first city to propose banning sleeping in cars.
 
2014-04-16 12:40:54 PM  
It's all well and good to decry the "rich" for not wanting car campers but honestly, would you want a bunch of POS cars parked on your street with sketchy people crashed out inside?

Then again, I live in Canadastan so we give our homeless free apartments and health care.
 
2014-04-16 12:41:08 PM  
vpb [TotalFark]

First Debtors prison and now anti-vagrancy laws. I guess we'll bring back segregation next.

California democrats approve.
 
2014-04-16 12:41:24 PM  

meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.

So I guess you missed the part of the article where they pointed out that the programs you're referring to are taxed far beyond their capacity already. In some cases trying to help 10 times the number of people they are equipped to.

Now do the one about the lazy homeless bum who makes $400 a day begging while you slave over the frier at McD's thats my favorite.
 
2014-04-16 12:42:25 PM  

FizixJunkee: graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for


jobs aren't a limited resource.
 
2014-04-16 12:42:31 PM  
I would recommend a ducebag tax. But the the 1% would be homeless.
 
2014-04-16 12:42:38 PM  
As a practical matter, how would you prove the guy was sleeping? His eyes were closed?
 
2014-04-16 12:43:11 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If you live in a car but have no job, Silicon Valley really isn't the place for you.

Unless you can marry a millionaire VC, that is.


Sure it is.  I ride BART to work and the programmers are just as stinky as the homeless.  Someone living in a car would fit in just fine.
 
2014-04-16 12:43:21 PM  
I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.
 
2014-04-16 12:43:31 PM  

reillan: bdub77: Can't we just set up the homeless in work-based communal housing? I believe work will set them free. This place looks legit:

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x330]

Wait wait... Arby's makes fries now?


Little known fact: Nazis originally invented the curly-fry potato machine and the strange quasi-cheese substance in Beef 'n' Cheddars, and set up Arby's as a front.  They made the whole thing a really bad trans-lingual pun, figuring Americans would be too stupid to get the joke.   It's pretty disturbing really... people know about the Nazis and Ford, or Nazis and IBM.  Few know the terrible secret behind Horsey Sauce.
 
2014-04-16 12:45:07 PM  
You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..

so while I was in the shelter I ran into many others that were in my situation.. I had a great job, but couldn't get a place.. so not all homeless are bums and drug addicts, drunks.. ect.. ok.. a LOT are.. but putting ALL homeless down is not right.. many slept on the 24 hour bus run.. they called it the mobile motel..  and there are just so many beds shelters can have, and guess what, it is first come first served in many of them.. but you have to be sober to get a bed at the Salvation Army one, they give the breath test before you even enter.  I now have a slightly different attitude towards the homeless.. and these "rich" idiots making these remarks.. Oh how I wish you NEVER end up homeless..
 
2014-04-16 12:45:57 PM  

Shadi: jobs aren't a limited resource.


They are at this point in time.
 
2014-04-16 12:46:15 PM  
"The poor are getting fed up with our sh*t."

"Well, I mean, so what?  We didn't take ALL the money.  There's still enough left for most of them for food and some rudimentary shelter."


"Well, not really.  We've pretty much hoovered up most of the liquid economy and shoved it up our twice kissed asses.  Plus, I mean, they're still having babies and stuff, you know."


"Well whose fault is THAT?  Now have Consuelo fetch me a gimlet.  That lazy cow had better start earning her 125.00 a week and bedroom!"
 
2014-04-16 12:47:05 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.



I have to wonder if you were like that before you had kids.
 
2014-04-16 12:47:33 PM  

Shadi: FizixJunkee: graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for

jobs aren't a limited resource.


Demand that creates them, and capital that backs the industries that meet the demand, are.
 
2014-04-16 12:48:00 PM  
First... Great headline, subby. Not sure if anyone else caught the misdirection there.

Second, not all cities are responding like this. Salt Lake has implemented a program to provide homeless vets with a place to live, with no strings attached. They did the math and figured out that letting them catch frostbite in the streets cost an average of $16K a year, while giving them an apartment cost about $10K a year.
 
2014-04-16 12:49:03 PM  
That leaves residential areas, where overnight street parking cannot, as a practical matter, be prohibited.

Author of TFA doesn't seem to be too familiar with the area, as overnight street parking is already illegal in Menlo Park, just next door to Palo Alto.
 
2014-04-16 12:49:51 PM  
Americans sleeping in their own cars literally have nowhere to go.

Turn the key in the ignition and go someplace you can:

1. Get a job.  If you don't have the skills to pay the bills then you're in the wrong damn place and your ass could be working a fracking site,

2. Afford housing.  There's no law that says you have to live in the places with the highest housing costs in the nation like Atherton next door to Larry Ellison. If you want to be a bum go up to Frisco where you can pee and poop on the sidewalks and the Friscans actually like it and the lovely aroma it produces.  It must remind them of Venice. There's always Oakland and Richmond but good luck making it out of there alive.
 
2014-04-16 12:50:30 PM  
Don't worry.  When all of the industry magically comes back and starts using all of those deserted and now useless industrial buildings that the owners are letting rot because "these are for commercial purposes only!", everybody will be wiping their ass on silk.  Any day now!
 
2014-04-16 12:51:02 PM  
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2014-04-16 12:51:36 PM  

FizixJunkee: Shadi: jobs aren't a limited resource.

They are at this point in time.


They always have been. That's why labor markets have evolved to rely on contracts which allow workers to be fired, rather than contracts for specific, defined work to be completed.
 
2014-04-16 12:52:12 PM  
Of course very resident of Silicon Valley is a billionaire, and they hate the poor.

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Most people I know don't want someone living in a car in their neighborhood.
 
2014-04-16 12:52:36 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


I'll bet they even have refrigerators in their cars
 
2014-04-16 12:53:42 PM  
Why are local billionaires homeless?
 
2014-04-16 12:53:57 PM  
There is a vacated WalMart etc shopping center near me that was bought out by a mega church out of the blue. Never heard of these guys before, but they cater to the very wealthy in the area. It's right across from the mall so this is premium property. On the other side of town is a tent city in the woods with at least 30 children, unless the city has forced them to move.

There is a serious problem with this societal dichotomy at this level of severity, and it cannot continue for long.
 
2014-04-16 12:54:18 PM  
These same cities have resisted efforts to provide more public toilet facilities, often on the grounds that this will make their city a "magnet" for homeless people from other cities

um, no.  The magnet is the weather.
 
2014-04-16 12:54:36 PM  

FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""


They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.
 
2014-04-16 12:55:06 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option


Do you really think that one of the richest cities in the country is going to have a Walmart?
 
2014-04-16 12:55:29 PM  
I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!
 
2014-04-16 12:55:39 PM  
Wow... That is horrible.  It should never be illegal to be homeless.  If you think otherwise then I absolutely hope that your life falls down around you and you find yourself on the streets...

/Libertarian Conservative
 
2014-04-16 12:56:28 PM  
I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters, that's no always a bad thing. But there are those use the system, not as a temporary crutch, but have adopted it largely as a supplement to whatever they have that qualifies as a lifestyle.
My wife and I went on a vacation to the Bay area a couple years back, and, speaking from experience, the area was rife with panhandlers. Even when waiting for a bus, they'd come up to you, asking for a handout, and many were not homeless, they just spotted us as tourists, and wanted some additional cash. The homeless infrastructure is quite well built, and while ai do laud them for helping people in hard times, you do have a lot of "users."plus, ythe support leads to dependency  for many.
Just like that episode of "South Park", where the homeless converge on the tow, and ultimately driven in a Pied Piper  fashion, to California.
Even in the Summer, one year in Phoenix was horrible with the homeless. You'd think the high temperatures would kill them off, but no.
 
2014-04-16 12:57:22 PM  
Well, in their car they feel safest of all. They can lock all their doors - it's the only way to live.
 
2014-04-16 12:57:28 PM  

techgeek07: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

I'll bet they even have refrigerators in their cars


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2014-04-16 12:58:02 PM  

OscarTamerz: 1. Get a job.  If you don't have the skills to pay the bills then you're in the wrong damn place and your ass could be working a fracking site,



What if you can get a job because there aren't any jobs to get?


"In her analysis, EPI economist Heidi Shierholz notes that unemployed workers far outnumber job openings in every sector, which demonstrates that the main problem in the labor market is a broad-based lack of demand for workers-and not, as is often claimed, available workers lacking the skills needed for the sectors with job openings."

http://www.epi.org/press/unemployed-workers-outnumber-job-openings/
 
2014-04-16 12:58:21 PM  
Yep, I see no other solution anymore.  Kill the rich morons.
 
2014-04-16 12:58:33 PM  

Kazahmish: You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..


Serious question, why did you move before getting your housing situation locked down?
 
2014-04-16 12:59:45 PM  

bunner: techgeek07: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

I'll bet they even have refrigerators in their cars

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Is it bad that I looked at that picture and thought 'hey, even homeless women wear mom jeans'.
 
2014-04-16 12:59:46 PM  

p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!


If you read this in a Scrooge McDuck  voice, it's hilarious.
 
2014-04-16 12:59:51 PM  
I do understand the discomfort. I dislike being hastled for money by panhandlers as much as anyone.

So, I give to my local homeless shelters, food bank and charities, and I support policies that increase funding for shelter, job training and mental health services. If people are botherd by people on the street, they need to increase services to help people get off the street, not make laws against trying to survive.
 
2014-04-16 12:59:59 PM  

ScaryBottles: AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.
You know who else thought an unpopular minority should be relocated?



The US government?
 
2014-04-16 01:00:10 PM  
Them poor folks got it way too good, let's make it even harder for them to survive.  At least move them out of eyesight.
 
2014-04-16 01:00:22 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.


As someone who lived in Cupertino from 2010 to 2013, this is true.  It's expensive, and you need to have a job that really requires you being there.  It's not really a "fun" place to live, nor is it anywhere close to affordable.  The South Bay is really meant for business.
 
2014-04-16 01:00:23 PM  

Phonesecs: RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option

Do you really think that one of the richest cities in the country is going to have a Walmart?


Yes.  There is one in Mountain View (next to Palo Alto)
 
2014-04-16 01:01:16 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.


No, not just PhDs.  STEM graduates at any level:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth #. UwkZ6DlYDPI.facebook
 
2014-04-16 01:01:29 PM  
Seriously, if you have a billion dollars, what is forking over a couple mill to assist people? The good PR helps your company and you should make that back in interest within the month.
 
2014-04-16 01:01:49 PM  

LandOfChocolate: Phonesecs: RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart?  Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option

Do you really think that one of the richest cities in the country is going to have a Walmart?

Yes.  There is one in Mountain View (next to Palo Alto)


One right in Milpitas too, and Sunnyvale I believe.
 
2014-04-16 01:02:01 PM  

LandOfChocolate: Kazahmish: You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..

Serious question, why did you move before getting your housing situation locked down?


Or, if you're going to work a $9.50/hr job, why not do it in a place with the lowest cost-of-living possible?  Make that money go as far as possible.
 
2014-04-16 01:02:07 PM  

wingedkat: I do understand the discomfort. I dislike being hastled for money by panhandlers as much as anyone.

So, I give to my local homeless shelters, food bank and charities, and I support policies that increase funding for shelter, job training and mental health services. If people are botherd by people on the street, they need to increase services to help people get off the street, not make laws against trying to survive.


It's pretty much a fact that MOST of the money taken in by charities ends up on the ledger as "administrative expenses".
 
2014-04-16 01:02:44 PM  

HelloNeuman: Go be poor somewhere else.

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2014-04-16 01:03:16 PM  

bunner: wingedkat: I do understand the discomfort. I dislike being hastled for money by panhandlers as much as anyone.

So, I give to my local homeless shelters, food bank and charities, and I support policies that increase funding for shelter, job training and mental health services. If people are botherd by people on the street, they need to increase services to help people get off the street, not make laws against trying to survive.

It's pretty much a fact that MOST of the money taken in by charities ends up on the ledger as "administrative expenses".


Such as employing people to operate a homeless shelter.
 
2014-04-16 01:03:25 PM  

FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""


CEOs understand supply and demand. They need STEM majors, so to keep the price low, they work hard to increase the supply. Encourage the smartest of the peasants to go into debt for the degrees. The non dischargeable debt makes them very pliant and eager for a job.

If the wages are still above what the CEO wants to pay, then he has Congress increase the H1B Visa quota. Those guys are contract slaves, and seeing them fill jobs keeps the locals from getting uppity at salary negotiations.
 
2014-04-16 01:03:57 PM  
 
2014-04-16 01:04:19 PM  
You would think those billionaires would understand the value homeless serve in keeping our society from rising up and killing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEBOavYqHQ    (some minor bad words)


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2014-04-16 01:05:25 PM  

probesport: Such as employing people to operate a homeless shelter.


Which will open just as soon as the working class gets off the dime and brings the charity's books up over and above "administrative expenses".  Give 'til it hurts.  Cause we ain't gonna.
 
2014-04-16 01:05:26 PM  

Private_Citizen: CEOs understand supply and demand. They need STEM majors, so to keep the price low, they work hard to increase the supply. Encourage the smartest of the peasants to go into debt for the degrees. The non dischargeable debt makes them very pliant and eager for a job.

If the wages are still above what the CEO wants to pay, then he has Congress increase the H1B Visa quota. Those guys are contract slaves, and seeing them fill jobs keeps the locals from getting uppity at salary negotiations.



You're absolutely right, which is why when the Dad upthread says, "See, kids, this is why you should study STEM. You don't want to end up homeless like this guy, do ya?" I get pissed off.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:13 PM  

OscarTamerz: Turn the key in the ignition and go someplace you can:

1. Get a job.  

2. Afford housing.


Housing is expensive here precisely because it's where the jobs are.  People drive in from cities two hours inland because there isn't enough work out there.  Unfortunately, the homes in those cities still aren't that cheap because they're all large.  Still much cheaper than in the Bay Area, but not easy to afford if you're starting from zero.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:16 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Big words from a guy who lives in a barrel.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:49 PM  
"To be sure, people living in cars cannot be the best neighbors. Some people are able to acquire old and ugly - but still functioning - recreational vehicles with bathrooms; others do the best they can."

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2014-04-16 01:07:15 PM  

FizixJunkee: You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""


They are talking about PhD's going into Academia. The article even says those 80% that leave academia find jobs elsewhere with only a few remaining unemployed. Judging by the number of applicants I get when I try to hire engineers I would have to agree that we could use a lot more engineers.
 
2014-04-16 01:07:40 PM  

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


What do you mean?  The problem is that we can see, and hear, and smell the homeless.

Removing them fixes the problem.

I mean, sure, I guess the larger problem is that they exist in the first place, but, I mean, we can't just kill them all! Even though we want to, that wouldn't be moral.
 
2014-04-16 01:08:13 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."


Yeah, those guys are farking Nazis about it too.
 
2014-04-16 01:08:18 PM  

KidneyStone: RumsfeldsReplacement: Why don't they just move their cars to a 24-hour Walmart? Walmart parking lots are very accommodating of people sleeping in cars.

/I'm 100% serious, it's an option

This.


Maybe that depends from place to place, or maybe they've loosened up in the past 9 or 10 years. I've had a cop wake me up and roust me out of a Walmart parking lot in the middle of the night before, even when I was parked out on the edge where they allowed RVs and campers. "Yeah, but you're not in an RV."
 
2014-04-16 01:09:23 PM  
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2014-04-16 01:11:03 PM  
Homelessness is a serious problem and that's why I support certain social programs.

...What?  No I don't care about  those people, I just want social programs to keep them somewhere else so they don't directly ask me for spare change.  Eww, disgusting.

/sarcasm
//But if you helped these people, maybe you wouldn't see them on the streets?
///helping people improves everyones quality of life?  unpossible!!
 
2014-04-16 01:11:22 PM  

carlisimo: OscarTamerz: Turn the key in the ignition and go someplace you can:

1. Get a job.  

2. Afford housing.

Housing is expensive here precisely because it's where the jobs are.  People drive in from cities two hours inland because there isn't enough work out there.  Unfortunately, the homes in those cities still aren't that cheap because they're all large.  Still much cheaper than in the Bay Area, but not easy to afford if you're starting from zero.


we looked in SF and the pretty much all the cities in SV for a house and or condo, we ended up in half moon bay, it was slightly more affordable than every place within 50 miles or cupertino. waiting for Mountainview to be renamed GoogleVille.
 
2014-04-16 01:12:38 PM  

Headso: Keep pushing and the homeless will just do home invasions on these rich people and live there as long as they can stand the smell of the rotting corpses of the previous occupants.


Right.

If that didn't happen in 2009 when literally millions of people were losing their jobs, homes, life savings, and retirement prospects while the government bailed out the banks, airlines, and auto companies, it will never happen.

Americans are far too complacent.
 
2014-04-16 01:13:25 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


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2014-04-16 01:13:39 PM  
What a homeless person who sleepis in his car might look like.

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2014-04-16 01:13:53 PM  

ScaryBottles: You know who else thought an unpopular minority should be relocated?


Most caucasians in the U.S..  They called it Manifest Destiny.
 
2014-04-16 01:14:03 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.


In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?
 
2014-04-16 01:14:54 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dr Dreidel: I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."

Yeah, those guys are farking Nazis about it too.


Someone's being a Lazy Boy...
 
2014-04-16 01:14:59 PM  

SphericalTime: In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?


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2014-04-16 01:15:22 PM  
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2014-04-16 01:15:47 PM  
"We have, in this new, house of cards digital economy, made billions and billions of dollars with ostensibly free, dodgy services, things we get from China for about .002 on the dollar and lots of ads!"

"So now we can utilize all this capital to create and shape a vibrant, new America where there is true opportunity and access to a comfortable life?"


"No, you dipwad, we're gonna shove it up our asses and have pissing contests with our quarterly reports and buy egregiously expensive crap and set it on fire when we're bored."


"Sorry to hear."
 
2014-04-16 01:16:51 PM  
These people just don't want to keep their heads attached anymore do they? Because they are going to lose them soon if they keep this bullshiat up.
 
2014-04-16 01:16:54 PM  

PocketfullaSass: I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.


Well, you've had good luck... Left the side door unlocked on our van when I lived in Phx. Came out from work to find a homeless guy sleeping in it. He left me a nice puddle of vomit as a 'Thank You'.
 
2014-04-16 01:17:47 PM  
Homeless people are so analog.
 
2014-04-16 01:18:09 PM  
The 1% wants to ban sleeping in cars

So, rich people want it.

Across the United States, many local governments are responding to skyrocketing levels of inequality and the now decades-long crisis of homelessness among the very poor ... by passing laws making it a crime to sleep in a parked car.

The representatives of the People want it.

The largest of them is Los Angeles, the longtime unofficial "homeless capital of America", where lawyers are currently defending a similar vehicle-sleeping law before a skeptical federal appellate court.

Damned activist judges!
 
2014-04-16 01:19:30 PM  

PocketfullaSass: I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.


I was also hungry, so thanks for the gummybears in the glovebox.
 
2014-04-16 01:19:38 PM  

ScaryBottles: meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.
So I guess you missed the part of the article where they pointed out that the programs you're referring to are taxed far beyond their capacity already. In some cases trying to help 10 times the number of people they are equipped to.

Now do the one about the lazy homeless bum who makes $400 a day begging while you slave over the frier at McD's thats my favorite.


I want a solution beyond a place to sleep, is that too much to ask?

And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.
 
2014-04-16 01:21:13 PM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: These people just don't want to keep their heads attached anymore do they? Because they are going to lose them soon if they keep this bullshiat up.


Yes, yes, we know that poor people are dangerous and violent.  That's why prisons exist.

And that's why we want them to just go away!
 
2014-04-16 01:21:28 PM  

nekom: So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


The problem is that it isn't just one problem, making the solution considerably more challenging. I've got a solution, but it involves making me emperor for life.
 
2014-04-16 01:23:45 PM  

sendtodave: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: These people just don't want to keep their heads attached anymore do they? Because they are going to lose them soon if they keep this bullshiat up.

Yes, yes, we know that poor people are dangerous and violent.  That's why prisons exist.

And that's why we want them to just go away!


So prisons exist for the poor?  Huh.  While we're at it, define "away".
 
2014-04-16 01:23:48 PM  
homeless people are gross.  ever see the park in front of city hall in SF?  full of disgusting, dirty homeless people.  try just sitting down and enjoying the day with all those people.  we're talking hundreds.  one of the most successful cities in the world and it friggin looks like a dump.

/too poor for SF, move someplace where you won't be poor
//sam kinison was right, poor people are DUMB!!
 
2014-04-16 01:24:13 PM  
A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo
 
2014-04-16 01:24:42 PM  

AngryDragon: Headso: Keep pushing and the homeless will just do home invasions on these rich people and live there as long as they can stand the smell of the rotting corpses of the previous occupants.

Right.

If that didn't happen in 2009 when literally millions of people were losing their jobs, homes, life savings, and retirement prospects while the government bailed out the banks, airlines, and auto companies, it will never happen.

Americans are far too complacent.


....................and the wealthy and their supporters are too well armed. Just try living in Pelosi's house.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:00 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I don't understand. Why don't these homeless people just sleep in their parents guest homes?


Fitting handle for you, Mr. Romney.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:01 PM  
Having lived in my car in Palo Alto, I'm obligated to post something here. My circumstance was slightly different... I was (am) gainfully employed, but found myself in a situation where I didn't have housing. It was a strange feeling being between places. I couch surfed a little bit, but I felt uncomfortable being in other people's good graces and thought to myself I could just tough it out while waiting on the new place. What are you gonna do? Rent a hotel/motel room for a month while waiting for your new place to open up? A month is a long time to live on someone else's couch. Plus, where I worked they had pretty amenable facilities (bathroom with shower).

But I still had to worry about where I parked my car as not to arouse suspicion.

I've lived in the Silicon Valley all my life, and barring the traffic and hipsters, I love the place and have no desire to leave. But it can be very hard to afford to live here. I make good enough money that if I only had myself to worry about, I could easily rent a small place and maybe save up for home ownership... oh nevermind. I'll never be able to afford a home here unless I start earning six figures. Like the rest of the middle class home shoppers, I'll have to look over the hills outside of the valley to get a home.

But our homeless. What to say about the homeless here? Some are aggressive panhandlers, even in residential neighborhoods. Some are just your typical stinky and hopeless downtrodden folk. Some are grifters working the freeway exits and then getting picked up at the day's end. But there definitely more people who got economic-downturned. It's becoming a thing. Living in your car is a way to climb back out... pinching the pennies to keep from losing everything. I could have lived in a motel and racked up some significant debt, hoping to dig my way back out of that. Or I could have sucked it up and just overstayed my welcome at friends' houses (doing what I could to mitigate any resentment... chores around the house, making myself as invisible as I could). I felt like this was a good and conscionable alternative. Now it appears I was just a dirty lawbreaker.

There's no one easy answer to homelessness. I know this. But I also know that Palo Alto is indeed filled with selfish douchebag pricks who feel entitled instead of blessed. Money really does turn people into assholes.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:32 PM  

bunner: So prisons exist for the poor?


Isn't that self evident?

While we're at it, define "away".

Not near me.
 
2014-04-16 01:25:34 PM  

jshine: SphericalTime: In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?


So McDonalds is refusing to hire people that have passed their McDonalds university sessions?

Yeah, I get not hiring a physics Ph.D. for burger slinging makes sense, but what about at a physics thinktank?
 
2014-04-16 01:26:27 PM  

Private_Citizen: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

CEOs understand supply and demand. They need STEM majors, so to keep the price low, they work hard to increase the supply. Encourage the smartest of the peasants to go into debt for the degrees. The non dischargeable debt makes them very pliant and eager for a job.

If the wages are still above what the CEO wants to pay, then he has Congress increase the H1B Visa quota. Those guys are contract slaves, and seeing them fill jobs keeps the locals from getting uppity at salary negotiations.


He also colludes with his peers at the rest of the major tech employers to keep wages for those skills artificially low.
 
2014-04-16 01:26:31 PM  

Ex-Texan: I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters,



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/bullshiat
 
2014-04-16 01:26:39 PM  
FTA: Nationally, 90% of Democrats (and 45% of Republicans) believe the government should act to reduce the rich-poor gap.

Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.

I think it's far more likely that this article is full of shiat, than that I am one of an exceedingly small minority of Democrats.

Just because I support an increase in the minimum wage doesn't mean I think there should be a limit on what you can pay top-earners.

This is probably just more evidence that all polls can be interpreted to say pretty much whatever fits your agenda.
 
2014-04-16 01:26:41 PM  
It's not people living in the cars that is a problem, nor is it the cars, it's the wasted resources that a true fiefdom needs that is a problem. For example, I have several peasants residing in a few various American made automobiles, and I have assigned to them each, a small plot of land (parts of the east acreage adjacent to those nouveau riche neighbors) and they are expected to tend to it, and pay me a sum that is based on the per-existing taxes on that land. in return, I ensure that they will not be attacked by mercenaries (other than my own hirelings). In the long term, I will certainly sire more bastards and eventually, they will establish dominance over the serfs accordingly, and then by proxy will continue to maintain my will upon them as their overlord. There's no sense at all being upset about "homeless" living in "cars" if one sets out to make a positive change.
 
2014-04-16 01:26:46 PM  
"Are there no prisons?  And the workhouses?  Are they still in operation?"
 
2014-04-16 01:27:44 PM  
Sadly, this is probably more helpful than any current program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fkyf9UGAE

Poverty is an imbedded structural feature of our current system. It's not a negative side-effect, it's a direct consequence of how the system and law is structured. It's like saying 200 years ago "Slavery bad? I treat my slaves very well, and give them extra food, so you see there is no problem."

You might argue if it's intentional or not, but look at history and tell me when and where society hasn't been like a pyramid, all the wealth and resources in the hands of few and the rest at the bottom.

So please tell me why I'm wrong, or please explain to me (cause I'm stupid) why things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this.
 
2014-04-16 01:27:54 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo


Here the scam is that they were evicted from their apartment and need money for a hotel room.  It is the same story from different people that seem to rotate through the same parking lots.

Before that I got a lot of "My car broke down and I don't have any cash and I'm hungry."  It never failed that when I offered to buy them something to eat they would just ask me if they could have the money.
 
2014-04-16 01:28:10 PM  
Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.
 
2014-04-16 01:28:11 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo



Its a new thing because YOU just saw it, twice.


/We live in a narcissistic society
 
2014-04-16 01:28:35 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo


There's always been moochers and con artists.  I usually give them a couple of bucks and explain that the BS story doesn't interest me.  The again, it's not like they DON'T need the money, usually.  I mean, apparently, the Walton family has to take in at least 30,000,000.00 a day just to make ends meet and I don't see anybody feeling like a sucker walking out of there with some crappy dish detergent, stuff that takes half a bottle to make any suds, for 1.99, all while making filthy rich people filthy richer.  Now there's a scam.
 
2014-04-16 01:29:10 PM  

SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.

In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?


Geologic related industries. Specifically mineral exploration.
 
2014-04-16 01:30:40 PM  

Ex-Texan: I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters, that's no always a bad thing. But there are those use the system, not as a temporary crutch, but have adopted it largely as a supplement to whatever they have that qualifies as a lifestyle.
My wife and I went on a vacation to the Bay area a couple years back, and, speaking from experience, the area was rife with panhandlers. Even when waiting for a bus, they'd come up to you, asking for a handout, and many were not homeless, they just spotted us as tourists, and wanted some additional cash. The homeless infrastructure is quite well built, and while ai do laud them for helping people in hard times, you do have a lot of "users."plus, ythe support leads to dependency  for many.
Just like that episode of "South Park", where the homeless converge on the tow, and ultimately driven in a Pied Piper  fashion, to California.
Even in the Summer, one year in Phoenix was horrible with the homeless. You'd think the high temperatures would kill them off, but no.


well seeing that you visited San Francisco once, clearly you're the expert on the cities homeless and their infrastructure.
 
2014-04-16 01:31:16 PM  

LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.


If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.
 
2014-04-16 01:31:35 PM  

DoctorCal: PocketfullaSass: I park my old F-150 close to the sidewalk and always leave the doors unlocked. Nothing in it to steal, but I leave a travel pillow and a blanket folded up in case someone needs shelter. We don't have loads of homeless where I live, but there area few. Last week we had a cold snap and the blanket went missing. That's what it's there for. I'll replace it this weekend.

I was also hungry, so thanks for the gummybears in the glovebox.


...would be 5 lbs of sugar-free gummy bears if found in my glovebox.
 
2014-04-16 01:32:28 PM  

sendtodave: bunner:


While we're at it, define "away".


Not near me.


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Good luck with that.
 
2014-04-16 01:33:22 PM  

Pangea: Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.


Congratulations, you don't understand statistics and polling.  Do you have any other lack-of-insights to share?

And I can't blame people for not wanting your opinion.
 
2014-04-16 01:33:45 PM  

JudgeSmails: Ex-Texan: I see a lot of commercials for local homeless shelters, that's no always a bad thing. But there are those use the system, not as a temporary crutch, but have adopted it largely as a supplement to whatever they have that qualifies as a lifestyle.
My wife and I went on a vacation to the Bay area a couple years back, and, speaking from experience, the area was rife with panhandlers. Even when waiting for a bus, they'd come up to you, asking for a handout, and many were not homeless, they just spotted us as tourists, and wanted some additional cash. The homeless infrastructure is quite well built, and while ai do laud them for helping people in hard times, you do have a lot of "users."plus, ythe support leads to dependency  for many.
Just like that episode of "South Park", where the homeless converge on the tow, and ultimately driven in a Pied Piper  fashion, to California.
Even in the Summer, one year in Phoenix was horrible with the homeless. You'd think the high temperatures would kill them off, but no.

well seeing that you visited San Francisco once, clearly you're the expert on the cities homeless and their infrastructure.



Speaking of San Francisco's homelessness problems, I'll just leave this here: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down-BART-esc a lators-3735981.php
 
2014-04-16 01:34:02 PM  

jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.


I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?
 
2014-04-16 01:34:49 PM  

bunner: sendtodave: bunner:


While we're at it, define "away".


Not near me.

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Good luck with that.


Australia still has room.  Ship the undesirables there, like in the old days.

Or, just build more prisons, whatever.  That's where we keep our poor.  Out of sight, out of mind, and we can rightfully blame them for being there, so no liberal guilt!
 
2014-04-16 01:35:00 PM  

vartian: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

Well, we should certainly restrict the rights of other human beings so the children of others don't feel momentarily uncomfortable.


Well, we do it for absolutely everything else, so why not?
 
2014-04-16 01:35:16 PM  
A modest proposal: Let's relocate homeless people to the gated communities of the wealthy. A free 24 hour busing program should do the trick.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:00 PM  

patrick767: A modest proposal: Let's relocate homeless people to the gated communities of the wealthy. A free 24 hour busing program should do the trick.


Great idea!

We can arrest them for trespassing then!  And for resisting arrest, of course.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:08 PM  

Kazahmish: You know, I remember I was once one of the people that used to look down at the homeless and say, why not get a job (that was to the ones that didn't look like they were short on brains) well.. Karma is cruel sometimes, I moved out to San Jose, CA with my friend and because of my bad credit I couldn't move in, so I ended up being homeless, and to make it worse, I was working for Motel 6 making 9.50 and hour 40 hours a week, but again, bad credit = no one will rent to you... sure you can get a ROOM for rent for 500 a month, but I couldn't speak any Spanish and they had 9 kids, I worked the midnight shift so sleeping would have been an issue..

so while I was in the shelter I ran into many others that were in my situation.. I had a great job, but couldn't get a place.. so not all homeless are bums and drug addicts, drunks.. ect.. ok.. a LOT are.. but putting ALL homeless down is not right.. many slept on the 24 hour bus run.. they called it the mobile motel..  and there are just so many beds shelters can have, and guess what, it is first come first served in many of them.. but you have to be sober to get a bed at the Salvation Army one, they give the breath test before you even enter.  I now have a slightly different attitude towards the homeless.. and these "rich" idiots making these remarks.. Oh how I wish you NEVER end up homeless..



To me there is a difference between being homeless and a bum.  I hate a bum, I hate being begged for money...I hate the stories they make up and then tell me the next day because they don't remember that I walk by them everyday and have heard their story a hundred times now.  I remember as a kid my mother telling a few guys that if you come do mow the lawn or rake I'll pay you.  They all wanted paid up front and the few who actually showed up to do the job either left after barely starting, or got a meal before starting, said they were going out to work and then took off.

Before anyone jumps my case...I was homeless.  I slept in my car for about 4ish months.  I did not have the money to keep my place AND pay to finish college (I had been barely affording it the whole time).  So I did what I had to.  I went to school from 7am-5pm.  Worked from 5pm to midnightish...then drove to the school gym or a friends house to shower, then off to the parking lot of my first class to sleep a couple hours.

One of my best friends lived in shelter for along time too.  But he never asked for a handout.

We both did what was necessary to improve our situation.  What it has done for me was let me see just how little a person can get by on.  What I see as a luxury many see as a necessity (TV, fridge, AC).  But it makes me really appreciate what I have, where I am and the fact that I'm alive.  Those experiences have made my life a happier one.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:16 PM  

meat0918: I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


They would demand the treasury reimburse them and Wall St. would be shut down for a week and senators would harrumph until they sh*t in their pants.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:26 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


and they could down to second harvest and volunteer a few hours a week distributing food to the homeless and soon to be homeless, maybe they'd gain a bit of perspective, probably not but we can always use a few more hands on deck because like Silicon Valley, business is unfortunately good at the food bank.
 
2014-04-16 01:38:32 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


Communism.
 
2014-04-16 01:39:41 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


I'm not expert on the topic, but my guess would be:

1) Some fraction would be intractably homeless due to choice or mental illness; donations wouldn't change that
2) The rest might be able to get on their feet, but probably would still have to move -- Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.
3) You'd end up with a massive influx of homeless from other areas who see (2) and want a piece of the pie.  If you're homeless and reasonably intelligent, then moving where the free services & facilities are is a sensible thing to do.
 
2014-04-16 01:40:44 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: EdNortonsTwin: A new thing in my area the past few weeks is the gas-station scam where someone asks for a couple bucks for gas "...to get home" .  First woman I gave a dollar - I watched her drive off w/o putting gas in her car.

Happened again a few days ago except it was a man who said he needed it to get home with his kids in the car.  He got 45 cents.  He also drove off w/o getting gas - I couldn't see kids through the tinted windows.

CSBooboo


Its a new thing because YOU just saw it, twice.


/We live in a narcissistic society


What I do, even if it's not true, I just yell out "MAAAAN I just gave you $2 last night!"  There's a good chance they were trying that shiat in that very area the night before and they do it so much they forget your face.
 
2014-04-16 01:43:32 PM  
You might want to call these guys:

Anna G. Eshoo, whose 18th Congressional District is in the Heart of Silicon Valley
202-225-8104

Mike Honda, whose 17th Congressional District is at least partially in Palo Alto
202-225-2631

Maybe they can enlist Pelosi and Feinstein and put government to work for the little people.

/not leprechauns.
 
2014-04-16 01:43:39 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


They would want 100% tax reimbursement and a children's hospital in their name, not stroke their ego, because they feel they should deserve it.
 
2014-04-16 01:43:50 PM  
Next up: a law banning people from sleeping on yachts
 
2014-04-16 01:44:54 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


1%??? What is the ROI on that? If it's not at least 18%, you can forget it buddy.
 
2014-04-16 01:45:14 PM  

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.


Frankly, there is no "solving" it. I mean sure some people need a little temporary help, but everyone knows someone who, no matter what you do for them, will simply not be helped (yes it's because they have mental issue, are addicts, whatever).

Look, I'm not wasting any more time/money/effort on "cousin Ryan"... If he doesn't want to help himself and get clean, well the big middle finger he gives us every time we try to get him into rehab is the same thing he gets from me now.  I'm fine with "society" giving him the middle finger as well at this point. He'll be dead some day (soon?) and everyone will say "what a tortured soul", and they'll be right, but in death maybe he'll finally be at rest... personally, I think it's a solid 1-2% of the (any) population that just lives on the fringe and that's firmly where they are no matter what you might think will help them.
 
2014-04-16 01:46:02 PM  

Pangea: FTA: Nationally, 90% of Democrats (and 45% of Republicans) believe the government should act to reduce the rich-poor gap.

Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.

I think it's far more likely that this article is full of shiat, than that I am one of an exceedingly small minority of Democrats.


You are. Do a little research. Those particular numbers are from a Pew Research poll.  Plenty of similar sentiments about the US inequality gap can be found in other polls.
 
2014-04-16 01:46:13 PM  

jshine: meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?

I'm not expert on the topic, but my guess would be:

1) Some fraction would be intractably homeless due to choice or mental illness; donations wouldn't change that
2) The rest might be able to get on their feet, but probably would still have to move -- Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.
3) You'd end up with a massive influx of homeless from other areas who see (2) and want a piece of the pie.  If you're homeless and reasonably intelligent, then moving where the free services & facilities are is a sensible thing to do.


That's easy enough to prevent.

Make it a federal program and as uniform as possible across the states.

You'd still have people go where it is warmer though.
 
2014-04-16 01:47:13 PM  
After reading the thread, it is obvious that the government needs to gather up the homeless and distribute them evenly amongst the HOAs in the city. Then the farkers in this thread will get the new neighbors they love so much, while the people who don't appreciate what they have to offer will no longer have to deal with them. Everybody wins!
 
2014-04-16 01:48:28 PM  

JudgeSmails: meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?

and they could down to second harvest and volunteer a few hours a week distributing food to the homeless and soon to be homeless, maybe they'd gain a bit of perspective, probably not but we can always use a few more hands on deck because like Silicon Valley, business is unfortunately good at the food bank.


What a colossal waste of their valuable time.
 
2014-04-16 01:48:50 PM  
Well fark. Fark dumped my link.

Pew Research poll

Income inequality: 90% of Democrats want government action. 45% of Republicans do.
 
2014-04-16 01:49:50 PM  

meat0918: jshine: meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?

I'm not expert on the topic, but my guess would be:

1) Some fraction would be intractably homeless due to choice or mental illness; donations wouldn't change that
2) The rest might be able to get on their feet, but probably would still have to move -- Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.
3) You'd end up with a massive influx of homeless from other areas who see (2) and want a piece of the pie.  If you're homeless and reasonably intelligent, then moving where the free services & facilities are is a sensible thing to do.

That's easy enough to prevent.

Make it a federal program and as uniform as possible across the states.

You'd still have people go where it is warmer though.



Indeed.  If you dumped enough money into it, you could improve the situation.  ...but without allowing for involuntary commitment or imprisonment, you'll never completely eliminate homelessness -- especially in warm climates where there's relatively little disincentive to being homeless.
 
2014-04-16 01:50:59 PM  

meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.


They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.
 
2014-04-16 01:51:07 PM  

patrick767: Well fark. Fark dumped my link.

Pew Research poll

Income inequality: 90% of Democrats want government action. 45% of Republicans do.


Liberal guilt, I'm telling ya.

Republicans hardly ever feel guilty about anything, even about things they directly cause.  But liberals?  They're worse than Catholics!
 
2014-04-16 01:52:53 PM  

BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.


He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.
 
2014-04-16 01:53:22 PM  

meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.


That's awesome.  How are they avoiding people moving to Utah to score free houses?

/Not that I actually expect you to know.
 
2014-04-16 01:53:49 PM  
Damn I have 2 parking spaces at my place and only use one. I should rent out the other to a homeless person for $20 a month.
 
2014-04-16 01:53:57 PM  
Many rich people get involved by starting a 170(b)(1)(a)(vi) charitable organization with a lofty sounding do-good name and nominating themselves to executive positions.
 
2014-04-16 01:54:20 PM  

Felgraf: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.  Scare the little womprats into STEM.

Which won't be much help if we keep importing people who can be pressured to accept artificially low wages since their visa is tied to their employment (Which is BS, since it gives an employer INSANE extra leverage that they do not have over an american citizen).


Yeah.

Look, The H1-B guys don't make low enough salaries to the point where it affects your salary to the point where you can't afford rent.  [Insert usual "rent is stupid, taxes are stupid, rent pushes you into such high tax brackets where rent + taxes on income needed to pay rent is more than my parent's combined income" rant here].  You can't do a whole lot ELSE because the rent is too damn high, but the H1-B's are not the main problem anyways.  And besides, I'd much rather that Ragesh be sitting in Cupertino pulling in $60K than in Mumbai pulling in $20K.  Makes it way easier for me to ask for $100K plus signing bonus plus stock.

Despite being in Silicon Valley with the crazy H1-B guys, there's a non-zero chance that I'm a member of the 1% for the next 4 years.  In my early 20's.  (And the land of million-dollar townhouses.  Adjust actual things that you can buy with that money downwards by about 5).  Yeah, I'm not worried.

And the CEO of our company that put me into the 1% was one of those H1-B's.  Yes, bring them here.  Skim India and Brain Drain FTW.

/And since programmers make more than the median wage, H1-B's improve income equality.
//And of course, given that immigrants lower wages, why exactly is the Left so pro-poor/unskilled-people-immigration?
 
2014-04-16 01:54:48 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.

He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.


Did you just call cancer research a waste? I can't tell anymore where derp ends and Poe begins.
 
2014-04-16 01:54:50 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.

He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.



Actually, outcomes for many cancers have dramatically improved over the years.  In many cases, it is curable now, whereas the same cancer might have been invariably fatal in prior decades.  Cancer research is hardly a waste.
 
2014-04-16 01:55:35 PM  
I just don't understand people, either I'm really stupid, crazy, or both, because to me when people talk about poverty and what they do it sounds to me like this if it were 200 years ago:

-Give money to WSLF, Whip Slaves Less Foundation, where we believe that slaves shouldn't be whipped more than once a week. If you believe in our cause please send us money where a small portion of it will be used to write a strongly worded letter to our representatives in Washington.

-With just as little as a penny a day you too can be the proud sponsor of a hungry slave in South Carolina, be assured that you will receive a letter with a sketch of your sponsored slave. Your money will go towards food, and if you're really generous we might be able to arrange for you to send them your old shoes.

-We asked 100 people if they would help a slave. A staggering 68% said they would, we clearly see that people are concerned about other less fortunately. We also asked them if you think the government should get involved in this issue, unsurprisingly only 18% said yes.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:17 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: I can't tell anymore where derp ends and Poe begins.


Then my job is done here.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:22 PM  

ikanreed: Pangea: Well I'm no farking Republican, and they certainly didn't ask my opinion.

Congratulations, you don't understand statistics and polling.  Do you have any other lack-of-insights to share?

And I can't blame people for not wanting your opinion.


Bullshiat.  There are pretty much no people I know who think the government should enact tighter controls over the salaries that companies can offer.Do you honestly think 90% of Democrats want that?

You might want it, but you're one of the most consistently bleeding-heart posters on this site.

Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/public-sees-role-for- go vernment-in-reducing-wealth-inequality/2013/12/17/cf10d708-6785-11e3-8 b5b-a77187b716a3_graphic.html

Only a moron could see that number and assume MORE people support government controls to reduce wealth inequality.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:48 PM  

pippi longstocking: Sadly, this is probably more helpful than any current program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fkyf9UGAE

Poverty is an imbedded structural feature of our current system. It's not a negative side-effect, it's a direct consequence of how the system and law is structured. It's like saying 200 years ago "Slavery bad? I treat my slaves very well, and give them extra food, so you see there is no problem."

You might argue if it's intentional or not, but look at history and tell me when and where society hasn't been like a pyramid, all the wealth and resources in the hands of few and the rest at the bottom.

So please tell me why I'm wrong, or please explain to me (cause I'm stupid) why things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this.


I can explain. Things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this, because society is composed of humans. Legislate against the laws of nature all you want. You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.
 
2014-04-16 01:56:49 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.

In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?

Geologic related industries. Specifically mineral exploration.


Would you be willing to explain why?
 
2014-04-16 01:57:04 PM  

p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!


HURUHURDUDUERUDURDRRRRRR! I HAZ A THOUGHTZ TOO GUYZ!!!
I'm pregnant Your attempt was bad, and you should feel bad
 
2014-04-16 01:57:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AverageAmericanGuy: nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

So rather than solving the problem, let's just make sure we don't have to ever see it.

A homeless person is never really going to be able to afford an apartment in Silicon Valley, no matter how much the city hands out.

It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street.

"I was walking behind this guy on the street; homeless dude comes up and asks him for some money. The guy goes, 'Why'ntcha get a job ya BUM?!' People always say that to homeless guys like it's so easy. This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants. OUTSIDE his pants. I'm guessing his resume ain't all up-to-date. I'm predicting some problems during the interview process. I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a 'underwear goes inside the pants' policy."

// "Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically, I'm sure it's on the books."


 A lot of homeless people also suffer from mental health issues; he was probably one of them.
 
2014-04-16 01:57:41 PM  

Calamityfox: You would think those billionaires would understand the value homeless serve in keeping our society from rising up and killing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEBOavYqHQ    (some minor bad words)


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Won't happen.  I have it on good authority that millions of gun owners could never hope to revolt against the government because it has jets, tanks, nukes, etc.
I also understand that the rich own the government.

What chance could poor people have against armed rich people and the government they supposedly own?
 
2014-04-16 01:58:09 PM  
Hobo doing it wrong.
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2014-04-16 01:58:33 PM  

Pangea: Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll


20% of Democrats are not true Democrats.
 
2014-04-16 01:59:36 PM  

patrick767: Well fark. Fark dumped my link.

Pew Research poll

Income inequality: 90% of Democrats want government action. 45% of Republicans do.


It's still misleading wording. Hence my initial complaint about polling.

If you ask me whether I support an increase in the minimum wage I'd say yes.

That can only be translated into "supporting government action to reduce income inequality" if you also freeze the wages on the top end. Ask THAT question and see if you get 90% support.
 
2014-04-16 01:59:53 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: meat0918: And yes, I'll pay more in taxes to support such a solution.

They know you will. And they keep throwing taxpayer money at the problem. Spend a few days strolling around San Francisco to see how well that's succeeded in "solving" homelessness.

He's willing to pay more money to support a solution.

Not necessarily for a solution.

It's like giving more money to cancer research, even though there is no cure for cancer.  It's a feel-good waste.


Um, cancer research is actually advancing. But there will always be a certain percentage of the public that will be homeless, either due to choice or disability. And the nicer you make the living conditions by throwing money at the situation, the higher that "choice" percentage is going to be.
 
2014-04-16 02:01:36 PM  

sendtodave: Pangea: Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll

20% of Democrats are not true Democrats.


97% of all statistics are complete bullshiat.
 
2014-04-16 02:03:07 PM  
There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.
 
2014-04-16 02:03:48 PM  
Oh, city don't cry
Oh, city don't cry

Is all your virgin truth turned to lies?
Are all your dreams of freedom monolith?
Is all your peace and justice so much myth?
Oh, city don't cry

Na na, na na, na na, na
Na na, na na, na na, na
Na na, na na, na na, na

Oh, city don't weep
Oh, city don't weep

For even brother Satan has to sleep
And all your tragic idols rest in peace
And beautiful believers, their quiet council keep
So, oh, city don't weep

Na na, na na, na na, na
Na na, na na, na na, na
Na na, na na, na na, na
 
2014-04-16 02:05:02 PM  

umad: You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.


Just wait until I speak with my elected officials.  Gravity has been allowed to run rampant in this society long enough!
 
2014-04-16 02:05:30 PM  

umad: I can explain. Things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this, because society is composed of humans. Legislate against the laws of nature all you want. You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.


I thought as humans we were able to transcend our nature. You're saying no, so I suggest we all go around raping every woman you like, kill whoever looks at you funny, take what you want, and defecate wherever nature calls.
 
2014-04-16 02:06:17 PM  
There's sure a lot of "Hating the rich" on FARK. Well that's one thing I don't have to worry about.

/I'm poor
 
2014-04-16 02:06:33 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


So your brilliant solution to widespread homelessness caused by addiction is....NIMBY. Why did you even bother posting?
 
2014-04-16 02:10:04 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


One time my sister tried to give a hobo her left over Chinese food as her and her bf were walking home.  The guy had the balls to say, 'fark that, give me money'  He got nothing.
 
2014-04-16 02:10:49 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


This.

There are also places that won't take people who are violent, disruptive, etc., come and go at late hours, etc.
 
2014-04-16 02:11:40 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


That's like providing free nachos for the hungry but not allowing those who test positive for marijuana to have any. As I understand it, getting high is really all you have left to do once you're suffering through life in the weather, no creature comforts and all... so you can't judge if you don't really know.
 
2014-04-16 02:12:10 PM  
   I would like to suggest that anyone who is that upset about the homeless, instead of expecting "the government" to do something about the problem, "adopt" a homeless person or family and get personal. Instead of buying Starbucks every morning, buy your adopted homeless person a breakfast. See that they get 3 meals a day; it doesn't have to be expensive; as you cook your dinner, fix an extra portion for your adoptee. See that they have decent, climate-appropriate clothes (thrift stores and Goodwill sell very nice clothes cheap). if they have no shelter, buy them a decent used tent. These actions would make a greater difference (in your life and theirs) than sitting back and complaining that "someone should do something about it".
   The homeless will always be a problem that cannot be solved as many are mentally ill/drug addicted or just do not wish to follow the rules of society/shelters.

/50 years of throwing money at poverty has not solved it and, in many cases, it took away incentives from the poor to better themselves
 
2014-04-16 02:13:08 PM  

meat0918: jshine: LeroyBourne: Those poor billionaires, how do they even get out of bed and face the world baffles me.

If you make billions in Silicon Valley, you probably don't sleep very often in the first place.

I wonder.  If each of the billionaires donated 1% of their wealth to helping address homelessness with some method other than relocating them, what would happen?


The billionaires would by 1% less rich.  Offering the homeless the same good advice and educational opportunities they already spent their entire lives turning away from, in most cases, isn't going to change many of them.  Remember the wonderful story about the homeless guy with the awesome radio voice?  When I become homeless you can bet it was my fault.  Despite my ability to do so, I have not saved adequately to protect myself from any kind of prolonged down-turn in my life.  Have you?  Most people don't.  If you don't have a $100,000 in the bank, but you've got a car payment because you felt you deserved a new car that your bank account said you didn't earn and you go out to eat every day like I do, STFU about rich people, blacks, whites, men, women, Republicans, Democrats, the tea party or gays being the source of your problems.  I don't have a hard time accepting that my own decisions are responsible for my relative lack of wealth and assets.  I don't know why more people can't accept the same.  We are all basically where we worked to be.  Yeah, there are a few hard luck cases just as there are some lucky winners, but 90% of people live in the circumstances they created.  (I got that number scientifically, out of my butt)
 
2014-04-16 02:13:13 PM  

SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: SphericalTime: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: FizixJunkee: jwa007: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see this as a 1% problem. Homeless people on the street just bother the us 95% ers that have to walk our kids to school because the pan handlers creep the kids out.

You are missing a good teaching moment here.  You can use the homeless as examples of what happen if you pursue degrees in the liberal arts.   Scare the little womprats into STEM.


You know the U.S. already graduates more STEM graduates than we have jobs for, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/inquiring-minds-ethan -p erlstein-postdocalypse?fb_action_ids=692395314158529&fb_action_types=o g.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Quote:
"You've probably heard the claim that the United States needs to produce  morescientists, like Perlstein, to remain competitive with up-and-coming science powerhouses like India and China. It is a familiar litany whenever we hear laments about American science and its disturbing habit of resting on its laurels. But what you rarely hear in this argument is the fact that we don't have nearly enough jobs to put to work the scientists we currently have. "U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings," writes Harvard researcher  , "the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.""

They are talking about PhDs. Im my industry, PhDs are the least employable applicant.

In what industry are the most highly educated individuals the least employable?

Geologic related industries. Specifically mineral exploration.

Would you be willing to explain why?


Too academic and not business minded enough. Most positions dont require PhDs so why pay a premium? Plus ego issues.

There are PhDs, just not many. And they are usually managers of the technical side.
 
2014-04-16 02:14:07 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


Please tell me you aren't serious. I had a friend from HS who became homeless after getting out of the army. Before any of his friends knew about it, he'd been living in a piece of junk car he bought with his last $200 because he knew it would at least be shelter and he could lock the doors.  It wasn't exactly a nice or reliable car.
 
2014-04-16 02:14:32 PM  
As an aside, I always hear people complain that we treat our pets and/or animals in general better than the homeless, which when it's true is only because we can.  We can't just stop our car, pick up that homeless person and drop them off at the nearest shelter nor can we adopt them and integrate them into our household (nor would we want into nearly all cases).

Some people WON'T and some people CAN'T follow the rules at shelters, so they end up living on the streets and there isn't a lot we can do about it.  We (individually or as a society) can't just unilaterally institutionalize the ones who can't because they have rights and some will obviously have a problem, but be just on the other side of the legal line.

We have limited leeway in dealing with the ones who could live in a shelter or other housing if they would just follow the rules regarding hours to come and go, cleanliness, loudness, etc.

I wonder what percentage of people in ANY city would vote to ban sleeping in cars, parks, etc. if they had a choice.  I seriously doubt it would just be 1%erss

I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.
 
2014-04-16 02:15:26 PM  

pippi longstocking: 1. There will always be unsympathetic douchebags, not the real case.
2. The "anti-homeless" laws being passed are pushed by people profiting from control, misery, and incarceration in a for-profit jail system, still can't believe this issue isn't even discussed especially when we hold the WORLD'S largest inmate population.
3. People are myopic cretins, NIMBY.


I'm sure StealthHippo and AverageAmericanGuy see themselves as completely reasonable folk.
 
2014-04-16 02:17:23 PM  

sendtodave: Pangea: Raising the minimum wage is an innocuous thing on the surface and only 80% of Democrats support it in this poll

20% of Democrats are not true Democrats.


I feel that number is a bit higher but I don't have any links to support it.
 
2014-04-16 02:19:20 PM  
If hobos have started camping in your back 40 - do this: Pour 20 pounds of sugar on the ground where they camp.

I'm pretty sure that those Silicon Valley ants will have a feast, and ensure that anyone sleeping on their food supply will be bitten, stung, harassed.

Now, where to find anteaters...
 
2014-04-16 02:19:40 PM  
If anybody truly thinks that fault or solutions lie within either of our two, make believe political parties, take a good hard look at what either of them has managed to accomplish to date.
 
2014-04-16 02:20:41 PM  

bunner: If anybody truly thinks that fault or solutions lie within either of our two, make believe political parties, take a good hard look at what either of them has managed to accomplish to date.


Well, Al Gore gave us the internet... so yay, Democrats?
 
2014-04-16 02:21:26 PM  

jshine: Silicon Valley only has so many jobs that would be suitable for someone with no resume, education, or relevant experience, and you can't hand-hold everyone for years on-end.


I lost my sympathy for long-term unemployed watching the heart-tugging pieces designed to do otherwise.

Some woman was at a job for 7 months, only to get unemployment insurance for more than 2 years. She was complaining that if they didn't reinstate her benefits, she would have to dip into her savings.

Another man was cut off after receiving unemployment for more than 2 years. He lamented that if he didn't get his benefits back, he might have to take a MENIAL JOB rather than one in his field.

I was laid off on more than one occasion and it farking sucked. I also immediately moved to the first city that I got a decent job offer from. Now my clothes are 2 years old, my car is 14 years old, and I put away 25% of my take home pay every month in order to be prepared for the eventuality that is likely to happen in this day and age.
 
2014-04-16 02:21:27 PM  

special20: If hobos have started camping in your back 40 - do this: Pour 20 pounds of sugar on the ground where they camp.

I'm pretty sure that those Silicon Valley ants will have a feast, and ensure that anyone sleeping on their food supply will be bitten, stung, harassed.

Now, where to find anteaters...


Doesn't this end with starving lions and Claymores full of Semtex?
 
2014-04-16 02:21:34 PM  
I thought California was good to the homeless.
 
2014-04-16 02:23:02 PM  

pedrop357: As an aside, I always hear people complain that we treat our pets and/or animals in general better than the homeless, which when it's true is only because we can.  We can't just stop our car, pick up that homeless person and drop them off at the nearest shelter nor can we adopt them and integrate them into our household (nor would we want into nearly all cases).

Some people WON'T and some people CAN'T follow the rules at shelters, so they end up living on the streets and there isn't a lot we can do about it.  We (individually or as a society) can't just unilaterally institutionalize the ones who can't because they have rights and some will obviously have a problem, but be just on the other side of the legal line.

We have limited leeway in dealing with the ones who could live in a shelter or other housing if they would just follow the rules regarding hours to come and go, cleanliness, loudness, etc.

I wonder what percentage of people in ANY city would vote to ban sleeping in cars, parks, etc. if they had a choice.  I seriously doubt it would just be 1%erss

I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.


I'm glad you did not bring up spaying & neutering.
 
2014-04-16 02:23:05 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


Good thing people can't get addicted to those substances, or else what you said would sound heartless and cruel to people who find themselves caught up in a painful circle that many are unable to break free from.
 
2014-04-16 02:23:52 PM  

jigger: I thought California was good to the homeless.


There's only so many fruits and veggies you can pick with a baccalaureate.  Not to mention, try finding a Model T and a mattress for the roof
 
2014-04-16 02:23:56 PM  

Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.


BWAH HAH HAH.   $1.2 Million for a Frigging townhouse.  And they all sold for cash offers.

If you want to be middle-class, stay out of blue states.
If you want to be rich, move to a blue state and then get lucky.

/Hong Kong exodus FTFail.
 
2014-04-16 02:24:45 PM  

pippi longstocking: umad: I can explain. Things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this, because society is composed of humans. Legislate against the laws of nature all you want. You would have just as much success if you attempted to ban gravity.

I thought as humans we were able to transcend our nature. You're saying no, so I suggest we all go around raping every woman you like, kill whoever looks at you funny, take what you want, and defecate wherever nature calls.


You thought wrong. Individuals, maybe. The entire herd? Hell no. We are, and always will be stupid and selfish apes.
 
2014-04-16 02:24:57 PM  

Lee451: 50 years of throwing money at poverty has not solved it and, in many cases, it took away incentives from the poor to better themselves


You understand we've been "throwing money at the problem" for a hundred times that long (at least)?

So either we can throw up our hands and continue letting people live without regular living accommodations, or we can keep attacking the problem - and if you can suggest ways of helping homeless people that don't involve spending money, I think everyone in the world is all ears - using the only means available.

// and if you really can't see an appreciable difference between the homelessness of the 1950s and the homelessness of today - or the compounding problems both then and now - there's no point in discussing it further
 
2014-04-16 02:26:01 PM  

pedrop357: I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.


Because you're the common clay of the new west?
 
2014-04-16 02:26:19 PM  

meyerkev: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

BWAH HAH HAH.   $1.2 Million for a Frigging townhouse.  And they all sold for cash offers.

If you want to be middle-class, stay out of blue states.
If you want to be rich, move to a blue state and then get lucky.

/Hong Kong exodus FTFail.


May want to revisit that map.
 
2014-04-16 02:26:23 PM  

special20: armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.

That's like providing free nachos for the hungry but not allowing those who test positive for marijuana to have any. As I understand it, getting high is really all you have left to do once you're suffering through life in the weather, no creature comforts and all... so you can't judge if you don't really know.


Not quite.  It's not 1:1, but people with serious alcohol/drug problems also tend to be huge problems in places like shelters.

ALSO, shelters or other facilities that allow people with drug problems to live there risk prosecution, license revocation, tax status changes, or civil seizure under crackhouse statutes.
 
2014-04-16 02:26:53 PM  

meyerkev: And of course, given that immigrants lower wages, why exactly is the Left so pro-poor/unskilled-people-immigration?


I don't know that the Left is "pro-poor-immigration" as much as they're "anti-treating-people-like-animals".

I don't think people should be working in the US if they are not legally allowed to do so. Their status allows employers to violate labor laws and standards, which affects the entire labor market. But I also don't think we should be shipping off some American kid's parents because they didn't fill out proper paperwork 20 years ago.

Putting them on the books and requiring employers to pay them accordingly would do a lot to reduce the downward pressure on wages, and would be a hell of a lot cheaper and humane than rounding them up and throwing them in prisons to await deportation.

The Right (and by "Right" I mean the US Chamber of Commerce and other Republican bankrollers) would rather maintain the status quo and continue to have an underclass of cheap, exploitable labor.
 
2014-04-16 02:27:32 PM  

umad: We are, and always will be stupid and selfish apes.


Social dominance theory argues that societies producing stable economic surplus contain three qualitatively distinct systems of group-based hierarchy: (1) an age system, in which adults have disproportionate social power over children; (2) a gender system, in which men have disproportionate social, political, and military power compared to women; and (3) an arbitrary-set system, in which groups constructed on ''arbitrary'' bases, that is, on bases not linked to the human life-cycle, have differential access to things of positive and negative social value. Arbitrary-set groups may be defined by social distinctions meaningfully related to power, such as (in various contexts) nationality, ''race'', ethnicity, class, estate, descent, religion, or clan. Parallel trimorphic structures (based on age, sex, and coalitions) are found in chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and baboons (Kawanaka, 1982, 1989; Nadler, 1988; Rowell, 1974; Strier, 1994). Such a social organisation may help primate societies transmit skills, knowledge, and ideas, while also transmitting roles and power.
 
2014-04-16 02:28:28 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Too academic and not business minded enough. Most positions dont require PhDs so why pay a premium? Plus ego issues.

There are PhDs, just not many. And they are usually managers of the technical side.


Only non-PHD at my company, but...

There's a (semi-deserved IMO) stereotype that the sort of person who's spent the last 5-10 years of their life getting a PHD is way too academic, and has no idea how to function in the real world.  Because they've been writing papers instead of doing internships.  So it's at best a mild gain, unless you can find a research position at a large company.

Sweet spot is a Master's IMO.

/There's also a known problem where 1 professor must generate more than 1 PHD Grad Student.  Since this growth rate is both faster than the population and the economy, it's therefore obvious that academia in it's current form is a massive Ponzi scheme, and that most PHD's will experience downwards mobility compared to the school where they got their PHD's from if they want to stay in academia.
//Which is why Cornell is the *worst* school that they have their PHD's from.
 
2014-04-16 02:28:42 PM  

The_Hairy_Gooch: p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!

HURUHURDUDUERUDURDRRRRRR! I HAZ A THOUGHTZ TOO GUYZ!!!
I'm pregnant Your attempt was bad, and you should feel bad


so 0 / 10 is now I'm pregnant.... cool!
 
2014-04-16 02:31:16 PM  
et's say this is a building.

[  ]


Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.


NO WAIT COMMONISM RADICAL UN - BOOTSTRAPPY DEFEATIST!  When the last, sad, venal little man whose head is firmly up the mid 20th century's ass is laughed out of town and his ash heaps are resurrected into useful shelter, there might be some hope.  And then, if the people stuffing 90% of the liquid economy up the vaunted family rear ends get off the dime, there might be actual hope.  The rest of this is pissing up a rope.  And, yeah, so is coddling drunks and crackheads.  But then again, so is coddling thieves and corporate pirates.
 
2014-04-16 02:31:20 PM  

pippi longstocking: Sadly, this is probably more helpful than any current program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fkyf9UGAE

Poverty is an imbedded structural feature of our current system. It's not a negative side-effect, it's a direct consequence of how the system and law is structured. It's like saying 200 years ago "Slavery bad? I treat my slaves very well, and give them extra food, so you see there is no problem."

You might argue if it's intentional or not, but look at history and tell me when and where society hasn't been like a pyramid, all the wealth and resources in the hands of few and the rest at the bottom.

So please tell me why I'm wrong, or please explain to me (cause I'm stupid) why things have to be this way, and we can't structurally get rid of this.


At some point some very rich people are going to end up getting a lethal education in the difference between power and authority.  You can get away with a lot of things, but creating a system where you have a permanent underclass that is allowed to own firearms is a pretty dangerous practice.
 
2014-04-16 02:31:26 PM  

The_Hairy_Gooch: The_Hairy_Gooch: p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!

HURUHURDUDUERUDURDRRRRRR! I HAZ A THOUGHTZ TOO GUYZ!!!
I'm pregnant Your attempt was bad, and you should feel bad

so 0 / 10 is now I'm pregnant.... cool!


Knocked up.
 
2014-04-16 02:31:31 PM  
Some of the things my community does right:

* a centrally located space that feeds the homeless and hungry a hot meal every day
* a large community garden that gets fresh, healthy food to those most in need
*a resource center and shelter for battered women and children
*good public transportation & free bus passes to help people in need
*mental health care through MHMR
*several good thrift stores and programs to help people get clothes to interview/work/go to school in
*a centrally located workforce commission
*community safe spaces for itinerant workers
*several programs for substance abuse issues
*VA on the bus route
*Salvation Army shelter
*Community centers that open their doors to the poor and elderly when the weather is too hot or too cold
*Good resources for LGBT people
*Habitat for Humanity
*We're about to open a new, large space that will house a ton of charitable and governmental agencies that focus on getting help to people who need it

That's just off the top of my head. Y'all have these types of things in your communities, and almost every one of these organizations could use an extra pair of hands or a couple of hours of volunteer time. Put aside the worry that the one unkempt dude panhandling at the gas station might be a grifter, and try helping someone out. Almost everybody needs a helping hand sometimes. Wouldn't you want that if it was you or a loved one out there sick or hurt or hungry?
 
2014-04-16 02:32:41 PM  

littlett's: Just wait until I speak with my elected officials.  Gravity has been allowed to run rampant in this society long enough!


What are you complaining about? From the look of things, you've never seen a G in your life. ;)
 
2014-04-16 02:32:57 PM  

LeroyBourne: armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.

One time my sister tried to give a hobo her left over Chinese food as her and her bf were walking home.  The guy had the balls to say, 'fark that, give me money'  He got nothing.


I offered a panhandler and actual handful of silver change...probably about $4 worth.

He said "I prefer paper."

He got neither.
 
2014-04-16 02:33:32 PM  
I think a lot more of the homeless would be willing to accept mental health/addiction treatment if it didn't instantly make you about as much of a pariah as homelessness made you, and if, you know, the local treatment facility a) had open beds and b) wasn't likely to kill you in your sleep.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/poor-care-called-factor-in-fo ur -deaths-at-mental-health-complex-b99183920z1-240225111.html
 
2014-04-16 02:33:38 PM  

meat0918: Stay out of Eugene please.

Attempt no landing here, the goodwill has dried up, and the citizenry are tired of the homeless and the homeless advocates trying to get the city to lift the camping ban in public parks.

I feel for the homeless, and hope they can utilize the many public and private programs we have available to get back on their feet.  The chronic homeless, they have help available if they can actually decide to use it.  Not sure if that is possible for some of the ones with the really bad mental issues, but what can be done for them within the bounds of the law?

I'm actually for what Utah is doing being implemented in Oregon, but I doubt I'd have many supporters.


Too bad.  Liberal policy breeds more homelessness.

Now the rich liberals are mad because they have to look at those less fortunate?  fark off.
 
2014-04-16 02:34:21 PM  

Lee451: I would like to suggest that anyone who is that upset about the homeless, instead of expecting "the government" to do something about the problem, "adopt" a homeless person or family and get personal. Instead of buying Starbucks every morning, buy your adopted homeless person a breakfast. See that they get 3 meals a day; it doesn't have to be expensive; as you cook your dinner, fix an extra portion for your adoptee.


That is actually a super cool idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
2014-04-16 02:35:03 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: These same cities have resisted efforts to provide more public toilet facilities, often on the grounds that this will make their city a "magnet" for homeless people from other cities

um, no.  The magnet is the weather.


One time I was watching a documentary about winter living conditions is North Dakota and one old timer said "well, we don't have a homeless problem here.."   I LOLd, but this situation is sad now.
 
2014-04-16 02:35:21 PM  

bunner: Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.


Seems a lot like

meat0918: what Utah is doing


It gives them a real place to live, its cost effective, and satisfies NIMBYs.  Win-win-win.

I expect abound 50% of the US population to live in free government housing by 2030.  98% by 2050.
 
2014-04-16 02:35:32 PM  

jigger: I thought California was good to the homeless.


The homeless population density of SF is roughly the normal population density of the state of South Carolina.  I feel sorry for that homeless guy.   I hate all of those homeless people for the same reasons as that guy was having major troubles in India.  Especially when they shut down the subway because the escalator is clogged with homeless guy shiat.

/And CA is generally pretty nice.  If nothing else, the weather is nice.  The state wouldn't have a third of this nation's welfare recipients if it wasn't.
 
2014-04-16 02:37:03 PM  

bunner: Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.


That's nice in theory, but as usual, reality gets in they way.  Many times, it's the reality other people with similarly lofty ideas created.

Is that building zoned for residential?  One reason they may have trouble selling it is that it's not (yet?) zoned for a use that others might find desirable and there may infrastructure problems that preclude it's alternative use.

How old is it, does it have sufficient fire protection for 40+ residents, can the water and sewer service handle 40+ residents in that building, what's the power like, are there nearby schools for children, is the rest of the area heavy industrial which can mean noise and air pollution?
 
2014-04-16 02:38:05 PM  

pedrop357: I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.


The right is who typically would be more likely to do that sort of blaming.
 
2014-04-16 02:39:38 PM  

Pangea: pedrop357: I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.

The right is who typically would be more likely to do that sort of blaming.


Not true at all.  The left can be counted on to chime into any discussion about taxes with biatching about roads, schools, police, fire, and Somalia.
 
2014-04-16 02:40:03 PM  
The homeless deserve housing, food, and health care.

However, they smell, are annoying and are typically mentally instable, so not in Palo Alto, Menlo Park,or Los Altos, please, and especially not Atherton.   Maybe in East Palo Alto, Vallejo, or Oakland or hippy-dippy Santa Cruz.
 
2014-04-16 02:41:01 PM  
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2014-04-16 02:41:24 PM  

bonobo73: The homeless deserve housing, food, and health care.

However, they smell, are annoying and are typically mentally instable, so not in Palo Alto, Menlo Park,or Los Altos, please, and especially not Atherton.   Maybe in East Palo Alto, Vallejo, or Oakland or hippy-dippy Santa Cruz.


Feel free to give them all the housing, food, and health care you can afford.
 
2014-04-16 02:43:07 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // and if you really can't see an appreciable difference between the homelessness of the 1950s and the homelessness of today - or the compounding problems both then and now - there's no point in discussing it further


The other day my mom was telling me about growing up in the 1950s in Cleveland.

They used to see lots of fires out by the dump. That was were the homeless used to set up camp and live. I'm sure that experience wasn't limited to just one city in the cold northeast.
 
2014-04-16 02:43:39 PM  

pedrop357: bunner: Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.

That's nice in theory, but as usual, reality gets in they way.  Many times, it's the reality other people with similarly lofty ideas created.

Is that building zoned for residential?  One reason they may have trouble selling it is that it's not (yet?) zoned for a use that others might find desirable and there may infrastructure problems that preclude it's alternative use.

How old is it, does it have sufficient fire protection for 40+ residents, can the water and sewer service handle 40+ residents in that building, what's the power like, are there nearby schools for children, is the rest of the area heavy industrial which can mean noise and air pollution?


Oh, dear!  There's a rail line 4 blocks way!  How will they get sleep?  My guess is a washed ass under a roof with a sh*tter and a minifridge and a small lamp to fill out job applications with an address beats a 94 Toyota.
 
2014-04-16 02:43:45 PM  

Pangea: LeroyBourne: armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.

One time my sister tried to give a hobo her left over Chinese food as her and her bf were walking home.  The guy had the balls to say, 'fark that, give me money'  He got nothing.

I offered a panhandler and actual handful of silver change...probably about $4 worth.

He said "I prefer paper."

He got neither.


Who ever said beggars can't be choosers?
 
2014-04-16 02:48:17 PM  

MaliFinn: At some point some very rich people are going to end up getting a lethal education in the difference between power and authority.  You can get away with a lot of things, but creating a system where you have a permanent underclass that is allowed to own firearms is a pretty dangerous practice.


Increasingly, that permanent underclass is often branded with a criminal record, and subjected to the criminal justice system, removing them from that demographic.

All going according to plan?
 
2014-04-16 02:48:42 PM  

bunner: pedrop357: bunner: Let's say they used to make stuff there and now it's abandoned and some fat bastard is letting it rot because he wants 2,000,000.00 for something nobody has any use for anymore.Let's say we turn the water and electric on, do some buildouts, install about 40 sh*tters and showers, some security measure, windows and staff it with some unemployed folks with social services degrees.

That's nice in theory, but as usual, reality gets in they way.  Many times, it's the reality other people with similarly lofty ideas created.

Is that building zoned for residential?  One reason they may have trouble selling it is that it's not (yet?) zoned for a use that others might find desirable and there may infrastructure problems that preclude it's alternative use.

How old is it, does it have sufficient fire protection for 40+ residents, can the water and sewer service handle 40+ residents in that building, what's the power like, are there nearby schools for children, is the rest of the area heavy industrial which can mean noise and air pollution?

Oh, dear!  There's a rail line 4 blocks way!  How will they get sleep?  My guess is a washed ass under a roof with a sh*tter and a minifridge and a small lamp to fill out job applications with an address beats a 94 Toyota.


I love that you ignored the rest of the post for the noise pollution part.

You realize that zoning rules have precluded building things in noisy areas without asking any of the prospective residents if they even care, right?  If I have a nice plot of land near an airport and I wan to zone it residential, the noise issue alone can be the thing that they use to deny me.  What those possible future residents may or may not want isn't always taken into consideration.

Oh wait, you just came up a lofty idea without considering the logistics of it.  This is, unsurprisingly, a lot like the people who make zoning regs so restrictive in the first place.
 
2014-04-16 02:50:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Lee451: 50 years of throwing money at poverty has not solved it and, in many cases, it took away incentives from the poor to better themselves

You understand we've been "throwing money at the problem" for a hundred times that long (at least)?

So either we can throw up our hands and continue letting people live without regular living accommodations, or we can keep attacking the problem - and if you can suggest ways of helping homeless people that don't involve spending money, I think everyone in the world is all ears - using the only means available.

// and if you really can't see an appreciable difference between the homelessness of the 1950s and the homelessness of today - or the compounding problems both then and now - there's no point in discussing it further


I guess you missed the part of my post that suggested "adopting" a homeless person and trying to make a difference in their lives.


By throwing money at the problem I was referring to the "Great Society" program and that the poor/homeless just keep increasing.


/America has the wealthiest poor in the world, especially if you compare the poor here and the poor in India or some other 3rd world nation. Most people considered poor have a car, modern appliances, internet capabilities, and frequently, nice furniture from Rent-a-Center, you get the idea.

Pangea: Lee451: I would like to suggest that anyone who is that upset about the homeless, instead of expecting "the government" to do something about the problem, "adopt" a homeless person or family and get personal. Instead of buying Starbucks every morning, buy your adopted homeless person a breakfast. See that they get 3 meals a day; it doesn't have to be expensive; as you cook your dinner, fix an extra portion for your adoptee.

That is actually a super cool idea. Thanks for the suggestion.


Thank you. This could humanize the homeless and allow those of us who aren't poor to appreciate what we have. Not to mention the good feeling you get when you help someone
 
2014-04-16 02:50:46 PM  

MaliFinn: At some point some very rich people are going to end up getting a lethal education in the difference between power and authority. You can get away with a lot of things, but creating a system where you have a permanent underclass that is allowed to own firearms is a pretty dangerous practice.


Not really.  I've been told repeatedly here that the rich own the government, and separately told even more often that gun owners could never hope to successfully revolt against the government.

If gun owners can't make a difference against the government, how are poor people going to make one against some or lot of those gun owners AND the government?
 
2014-04-16 02:51:14 PM  

p51d007: I'd like to know where the 99%ers get off telling the 1%ers how to live their lives?
Why to "the rich" have to help "the poor"?  Life is hard, life has choices.  If you are
STUPID, a criminal, drug addict, etc, why is it the responsibility of someone else, to
take care of you?  In nature, the strong survive.  If government would get out of the
way and not punish religious organizations, perhaps we could put things back the
way they were 50 years ago and let THEM be the ones who were helping "the poor".
They could do that, instead of building monuments to themselves called megachurches!
Oh, we can't have RELIGIOUS people helping "the poor", it might turn them religious
and they wouldn't vote for idiots from the government to give them free stuff.
You know, when I was a kid, most "street people" were called BUMS.  Perhaps we'd be
all better off to stop calling them "homeless" and go back to calling most of them tramps
or bums!


Bread and circuses, my friend. That army of serfs in the field doing cheap labor to funnel goods to the middle class, who then shovel cash up to the rich owners, will only do so as long as there is food in their bellies and cheap, tawdry, and/ or violent entertainment available (thanks, Game of Thrones). When enough of them are deprived of even those reminders of their human dignity, they will get angry, organize, and rip the rest of us limb from limb. 100 to 1 is terrible odds, even if the 1 has a lot of guns.

Did you see Qaddafi's demise? That's what you're imposing on the upper classes if you can't pretend to have enough compassion to drop some crumbs once in awhile.
 
2014-04-16 02:51:34 PM  

armor helix: There are a lot of homeless shelters with empty rooms every night.

The reason? You have to be sober to use them.

If getting high is more important than a roof over your head that's your choice. But I don't want you sleeping in my dumpster.


People are often unemployable/homeless due to mental illness.  The drugs and alcohol are what's called "self medicating".

I blame the queers and what they're doing to the soil, myself.
 
2014-04-16 02:51:42 PM  

bunner: special20: If hobos have started camping in your back 40 - do this: Pour 20 pounds of sugar on the ground where they camp.

I'm pretty sure that those Silicon Valley ants will have a feast, and ensure that anyone sleeping on their food supply will be bitten, stung, harassed.

Now, where to find anteaters...

Doesn't this end with starving lions and Claymores full of Semtex?


...what if we just skip right to the Claymores? Are the homeless sleeping in armored vehicles? I think not, sir... I think they are not.
 
2014-04-16 02:52:36 PM  

pedrop357: I love that you ignored the rest of the post for the noise pollution part.


I didn't ignore it.  I pretty much dismissed a lot of zoning regulations as archaic, useless gerrymandering tools in a post modern world where an entire corporation can fit on two server blades.


pedrop357: Oh wait, you just came up a lofty idea without considering the logistics of it.



Nah, we're just working off of differently prioritized to do lists.


pedrop357: This is, unsurprisingly, a lot like the people who make zoning regs so restrictive in the first place.


You mean the ones you're adamantly in support of?
 
2014-04-16 02:53:21 PM  
The homeless need to be studied to see what nutrients they possess that can be extracted and exported.
 
2014-04-16 02:54:08 PM  

Hector Remarkable: The homeless need to be studied to see what nutrients they possess that can be extracted and exported.


And then the 1%.  I hear gold is popular.
 
2014-04-16 02:54:32 PM  

pedrop357: Pangea: pedrop357: I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.

The right is who typically would be more likely to do that sort of blaming.

Not true at all.  The left can be counted on to chime into any discussion about taxes with biatching about roads, schools, police, fire, and Somalia.


Those bastards! How dare they mention things paid for with taxes in discussions about taxes! Have they no shame?!
 
2014-04-16 02:55:00 PM  
AverageAmericanGuy: "It's more humane to send them on to a lower rent area where they have an actual shot at getting off the street."

*send them*? I'm pretty sure the area cities didn't *bring them* in the first place. So they might want to rethink any plan that involves their being able to make decisions for them.
That approach is going to ultimately lead to them being "sent on" to prisons. Which is one of the more expensive options available.
 
2014-04-16 02:56:25 PM  

UberDave: Diogenes: If you can afford a car you're not poor.

Only if it has a tape deck...with a Creedence tape.


Preferably one with "Lodi" on it. "Fortunate Son" works too.
 
2014-04-16 02:57:36 PM  

bunner: I didn't ignore it. I pretty much dismissed a lot of zoning regulations as archaic, useless gerrymandering tools in a post modern world where an entire corporation can fit on two server blades.


You can ignore them, but any contractors you hire to retrofit this seized building and the government will not.

bunner: pedrop357: This is, unsurprisingly, a lot like the people who make zoning regs so restrictive in the first place.

You mean the ones you're adamantly in support of?


I'm actually not in support of a lot of zoning or building regs in their current form.

I was pointing out how people just like you with lofty ideas about how to prevent/encourage something are the ones who made the inflexible and, in some cases, outright oppressive rules that would kill any hopes for your project.
 
2014-04-16 02:58:16 PM  
The 1% wont rest until the labor is in China, the debt is fully shouldered by the working poor and it's Victorian England, here.  And you best hope you don''t get any bird sh*t on your silk top hat, guv.
 
2014-04-16 02:58:47 PM  

Wendy's Chili: pedrop357: Pangea: pedrop357: I'm also curious why people sleeping in their cars aren't being attacked by the left as freeloaders because they get police and fire protection without paying any property taxes.

The right is who typically would be more likely to do that sort of blam