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2014-04-16 09:28:32 AM  
His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.
 
2014-04-16 09:46:00 AM  
You have a worse grasp of irony than Alanis Morissette.
 
2014-04-16 10:27:10 AM  
Was that before or after Obama opposed ssm?
 
2014-04-16 10:55:15 AM  
Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.
 
2014-04-16 11:28:41 AM  
Yes, I think I saw this episode of House of Cards.
 
2014-04-16 11:35:50 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.


Oh that's good, I need to forward this to all 287 of my contacts!
 
2014-04-16 11:37:56 AM  

Tomahawk513: JolobinSmokin: Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.

Oh that's good, I need to forward this to all 287 of my contacts!


Could you forward it to me so I can forward it with the header FW:FW:RE:?
 
2014-04-16 11:38:38 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.


Well, you know. . . When them cotton balls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton.
 
2014-04-16 11:40:25 AM  
Wait, so there are different expectations on what a Democrat can say and what a Republican can? Who knew!
 
2014-04-16 11:41:47 AM  

SauronWasFramed: Was that before or after Obama opposed ssm?


Thanks for reminding us that President Obama used to oppose marriage equality, and then realizing either that he needed poll help or that his position was unfair and untenable, supported it, thus emboldening equality supporters nationwide to come out, and there hasn't been a court or electoral victory for opponents since.

So even if it was naked, blatant, political pandering of the worst kind, the result is that everyone is allowed to marry the adult of their choice and Obama (and/or the rest of the marriage equality opponents) just has to stew in the fact that same-sex marriages will soon be as accepted as interracial marriages are.

Suck it long, and suck it hard. And then put a ring on it, if you'd like to.
 
2014-04-16 11:43:03 AM  
A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?
B: Nice out of context bite. You forgot a part, though...
Despite the president's stated opposition, even his top advisers didn't believe that he truly opposed allowing gay couples to marry. "He has never been comfortable with his position," David Axelrod, then one of his closest aides, told me.

Oh, and another part:
Indeed, long before Obama publicly stated that he was against same-sex marriage, he was on the record supporting it. As an Illinois State Senate candidate from Chicago's liberal Hyde Park enclave, Obama signed a questionnaire in 1996 saying, "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." But as his ambitions grew, and with them the need to appeal to a more politically diverse electorate, his position shifted.
 
2014-04-16 11:43:19 AM  
It's not particularly ironic when the adviser i question has actually come out of the closet in the intervening years.
 
2014-04-16 11:43:59 AM  
Suck it long, and suck it hard. And then put a ring on it, if you'd like to.

I don't think that's where you're supposed to wear the ring.
 
2014-04-16 11:45:52 AM  
Evolwinning!
 
2014-04-16 11:46:25 AM  

Tomahawk513: Suck it long, and suck it hard. And then put a ring on it, if you'd like to.

I don't think that's where you're supposed to wear the ring.


Mind your own business, dude.
 
2014-04-16 11:46:36 AM  
Political strategists are weird farking people.  They'd turn their mother out if the optics could be justified.
 
2014-04-16 11:46:48 AM  

Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?



Mehlman was Bush's campaign manager in 2004, so I think he probably did that at some point.
 
2014-04-16 11:48:38 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Political strategists are weird farking people.


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-16 11:49:49 AM  
Aha! Evidence of the gay agenda!


Tomahawk513: Suck it long, and suck it hard. And then put a ring on it, if you'd like to.

I don't think that's where you're supposed to wear the ring.


Depends on what kind of ring.
 
2014-04-16 11:50:52 AM  
All that means is that the manipulative part of being the manipulative psychopath prerequisite for office can be outsourced.
 
2014-04-16 11:55:16 AM  
You mean to tell me that politicians and their advisors do not really believe in some of the policies they support and are only doing it for political gain???

//This is my shocked face :-(
 
2014-04-16 11:55:28 AM  

Tomahawk513: Suck it long, and suck it hard. And then put a ring on it, if you'd like to.

I don't think that's where you're supposed to wear the ring.


You're not my supervisor!

// also, don't Google "cock ring"
 
2014-04-16 11:57:25 AM  

someonelse: DarnoKonrad: Political strategists are weird farking people.

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i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-16 11:59:58 AM  
I'm not so mad at him as I am the total rubes that fall for this garbage come ballot day.  Really it's a miracle anything gets done in the entire world.
 
2014-04-16 12:02:39 PM  

someonelse: Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?


Mehlman was Bush's campaign manager in 2004, so I think he probably did that at some point.


But it doesn't say it anywhere. That was the point I was getting at, it doesn't actually point to this at all, it's just conjecture being posted as fact. I agree he probably did, but they show no evidence that he ever actually did.
 
2014-04-16 12:03:31 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.


Call me myopic, but the single most offensive thing in that ignorant tirade is the claim that David Barton is a historian. My retarded cat who licks the cord on the Venetian blinds has a better grasp of history than that hack Dominionist twatwaffle.
 
2014-04-16 12:05:29 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.



It's almost like they ran for two different parties with two different belief systems.

What part of "duh" doesn't subby get?
 
2014-04-16 12:06:48 PM  

Dr Dreidel: SauronWasFramed: Was that before or after Obama opposed ssm?

Thanks for reminding us that President Obama used to oppose marriage equality, and then realizing either that he needed poll help or that his position was unfair and untenable, supported it, thus emboldening equality supporters nationwide to come out, and there hasn't been a court or electoral victory for opponents since.

So even if it was naked, blatant, political pandering of the worst kind, the result is that everyone is allowed to marry the adult of their choice and Obama (and/or the rest of the marriage equality opponents) just has to stew in the fact that same-sex marriages will soon be as accepted as interracial marriages are.

Suck it long, and suck it hard. And then put a ring on it, if you'd like to.


There's a good chance we would have had 8 more years of a GOP POTUS had Obama come out in favor of gay marriage.

It stinks. But at least we didn't go to war with Iran--which is what Mitt said he would do.
 
2014-04-16 12:09:12 PM  

Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?


Ken Mehlman ran Bush's reelect and was the one who created the strategy of putting anti gay marriage ballot measures on state ballots to get religious conservatives to the polls. A few years ago, he came out as gay and apologized for the whole thing, and has since been working behind the scenes for gay marriage. All that is pretty widely known, and I presume TFA didn't mention it because it assumed everybody already understood that background. For the average political wire reader, that's probably a reasonable assumption.
 
2014-04-16 12:12:59 PM  
I am astounded that a political strategist might advise someone to take a politically popular opinion.

Even if the opinion was unpopular years ago! Amazing stuff.
 
2014-04-16 12:14:08 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.


I am so stealing that.
 
2014-04-16 12:15:30 PM  
Why, it's almost as if campaign strategists advise their clients on the best way to get elected!

Shocking!
 
2014-04-16 12:16:05 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.


What if my closest held belief is pragmatism?
 
2014-04-16 12:16:36 PM  

cptjeff: Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?

Ken Mehlman ran Bush's reelect and was the one who created the strategy of putting anti gay marriage ballot measures on state ballots to get religious conservatives to the polls. A few years ago, he came out as gay and apologized for the whole thing, and has since been working behind the scenes for gay marriage. All that is pretty widely known, and I presume TFA didn't mention it because it assumed everybody already understood that background. For the average political wire reader, that's probably a reasonable assumption.


OK, fair enough... As for omitting it, I've seen articles that feel the need to put in things at the end like 'George W. Bush was the American President from 2000-2008' , so I've seen them add some pretty basic shiat to articles, but I didn't recognize this guy's name at all, and looked in the story to see what he did.
 
2014-04-16 12:19:14 PM  

meat0918: AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.

What if my closest held belief is pragmatism?


Welcome to the club.
 
2014-04-16 12:21:42 PM  
So, in other words, a political advisor?
 
2014-04-16 12:28:41 PM  

Mikey1969: cptjeff: Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?

Ken Mehlman ran Bush's reelect and was the one who created the strategy of putting anti gay marriage ballot measures on state ballots to get religious conservatives to the polls. A few years ago, he came out as gay and apologized for the whole thing, and has since been working behind the scenes for gay marriage. All that is pretty widely known, and I presume TFA didn't mention it because it assumed everybody already understood that background. For the average political wire reader, that's probably a reasonable assumption.

OK, fair enough... As for omitting it, I've seen articles that feel the need to put in things at the end like 'George W. Bush was the American President from 2000-2008' , so I've seen them add some pretty basic shiat to articles, but I didn't recognize this guy's name at all, and looked in the story to see what he did.


If I was writing it for a general audience, I would absolutely include some explanation. But that site isn't targeted towards people with lives, it's targeted to us DC political hacks. There's a phrase people use around here, "DC Famous". People who are stars in the political establishment, but who are completely anonymous to most people in the country. Ken Mehlman is a very good example of the type.
 
2014-04-16 12:31:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: meat0918: AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.

What if my closest held belief is pragmatism?

Welcome to the club.


Lies and poppycock! No one's ever going to believe that the average American guy can be persuaded by facts and logic.
 
2014-04-16 12:33:13 PM  

cptjeff: Mikey1969: cptjeff: Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?

Ken Mehlman ran Bush's reelect and was the one who created the strategy of putting anti gay marriage ballot measures on state ballots to get religious conservatives to the polls. A few years ago, he came out as gay and apologized for the whole thing, and has since been working behind the scenes for gay marriage. All that is pretty widely known, and I presume TFA didn't mention it because it assumed everybody already understood that background. For the average political wire reader, that's probably a reasonable assumption.

OK, fair enough... As for omitting it, I've seen articles that feel the need to put in things at the end like 'George W. Bush was the American President from 2000-2008' , so I've seen them add some pretty basic shiat to articles, but I didn't recognize this guy's name at all, and looked in the story to see what he did.

If I was writing it for a general audience, I would absolutely include some explanation. But that site isn't targeted towards people with lives, it's targeted to us DC political hacks. There's a phrase people use around here, "DC Famous". People who are stars in the political establishment, but who are completely anonymous to most people in the country. Ken Mehlman is a very good example of the type.


Interesting... Thanks for the details, I sometimes forget that Washington DC is similar to LA and New York as far as having a group of people who 'everyone knows', except for people outside of that sphere of influence.
 
2014-04-16 12:34:10 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: AverageAmericanGuy: meat0918: AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.

What if my closest held belief is pragmatism?

Welcome to the club.

Lies and poppycock! No one's ever going to believe that the average American guy can be persuaded by facts and logic.


LOL. I see you've missed the point of pragmatism.
 
2014-04-16 12:35:56 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.


So you're a homophobe. Good for you. Denying gay people rights is not pragmatic at any point in a democracy, including elections; but to claim it is does reveal who is prejudiced.
 
2014-04-16 12:45:25 PM  

UNC_Samurai: JolobinSmokin: Sorry Fark, I read this in a comment section about mark Pryor and Tom cotton of Arkansas and had to share.

All Tom Cotton wants to do is restore equal rights to men and do God's will.
When a wife takes the pill, she has veto power over birth in that family. She holds a position of power over the husband, oppressing him simply because of the gender advantages she is born with.
When an unmarried woman takes the pill, she escapes God's punishment for sex out of marriage, pregnancy. Tom Cotton is simply an instrument of divine will.
The birth control pill was illegal in Arkansas until 1963. Many prominent historians, David Barton and Rush Limbaugh among them, have drawn a link between that beginning of the "free love" movement in Arkansas and the eventual blow job in the White House.
It's never to late to admit we made a mistake, and turn back to traditional Arkansas values. Let's stand with Tom Cotton and get birth control pills off the market.


Call me myopic, but the single most offensive thing in that ignorant tirade is the claim that David Barton is a historian. My retarded cat who licks the cord on the Venetian blinds has a better grasp of history than that hack Dominionist twatwaffle.


I'm pretty sure that was a satirical comment. Anyone who would refer to Limbaugh as a prominent historian without irony wouldn't be able to spell most of the other words there.
 
2014-04-16 12:46:06 PM  

Mikey1969: cptjeff: Mikey1969: cptjeff: Mikey1969: A: Where does it say that this guy EVER advised Bush on gay marriage?

Ken Mehlman ran Bush's reelect and was the one who created the strategy of putting anti gay marriage ballot measures on state ballots to get religious conservatives to the polls. A few years ago, he came out as gay and apologized for the whole thing, and has since been working behind the scenes for gay marriage. All that is pretty widely known, and I presume TFA didn't mention it because it assumed everybody already understood that background. For the average political wire reader, that's probably a reasonable assumption.

OK, fair enough... As for omitting it, I've seen articles that feel the need to put in things at the end like 'George W. Bush was the American President from 2000-2008' , so I've seen them add some pretty basic shiat to articles, but I didn't recognize this guy's name at all, and looked in the story to see what he did.

If I was writing it for a general audience, I would absolutely include some explanation. But that site isn't targeted towards people with lives, it's targeted to us DC political hacks. There's a phrase people use around here, "DC Famous". People who are stars in the political establishment, but who are completely anonymous to most people in the country. Ken Mehlman is a very good example of the type.

Interesting... Thanks for the details, I sometimes forget that Washington DC is similar to LA and New York as far as having a group of people who 'everyone knows', except for people outside of that sphere of influence.


I had to Google to remind myself who Mehlman was. Then I was like, oh yeah, that guy.
 
2014-04-16 12:47:04 PM  

Mikey1969: Interesting... Thanks for the details, I sometimes forget that Washington DC is similar to LA and New York as far as having a group of people who 'everyone knows', except for people outside of that sphere of influence.


NY and LA are just imitators. Andrew Jackson was running against the DC in-crowd before LA existed or NY had its famous cliquey advertising and banking sectors.
 
2014-04-16 12:51:26 PM  
Mehlman? Wasn't that the old guy who used to be on Letterman's show back when it was on NBC?

/got nuthin'
 
2014-04-16 12:52:36 PM  
Societies and cultures change when people holding "old" view die, either by war (fast change) or attrition (slow change). This is the second type.
 
2014-04-16 12:53:02 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.

So you're a homophobe. Good for you. Denying gay people rights is not pragmatic at any point in a democracy, including elections; but to claim it is does reveal who is prejudiced.


How the hell do you get "He's a homophobe" from that?

Pragmatic - "dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations."

For a guy that sells his services to the highest bidder, his most pragmatic action was to get the easiest path for the guy who hired him to be re-elected. It was short sighted pragmatism at best.  The easiest path for GWB, or any Republican to get re-elected at the time was to rile up the GOP base and homophobic moderates and Democrats with gay marriage.  Abortion wasn't working anymore.  For them it was pragmatic at the time.  They took short term gain over long term viability.  Kerry probably would have won, and I wish he had.

For Obama, the pragmatic thing to help his election chances was to be for gay marriage.

It backfired a few years later once people caught on that the sky had not fallen and that god had not smote places that allowed it.

The pragmatic solution is indeed "Let two adults enter into a legal agreement set up by the state".  The even better one is "Strip religious leaders of power 'vested in them by the state'".  You already have to go to the county office to get the marriage license.  It makes no sense to go to another guy, have him wave his hands over you, sign it, then you go back to the office you got the license from and file it.  Just do it all the legal stuff that day, and have the ceremony where your family and their family come together and party like it's 1999, and Uncle Jerry gets hammered and does his best chicken dance before passing out during the hokey pokey.
 
2014-04-16 12:53:42 PM  
Sounds like he's good at his job.
 
2014-04-16 12:54:16 PM  

meat0918: Bennie Crabtree: AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.

So you're a homophobe. Good for you. Denying gay people rights is not pragmatic at any point in a democracy, including elections; but to claim it is does reveal who is prejudiced.

How the hell do you get "He's a homophobe" from that?

Pragmatic - "dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations."

For a guy that sells his services to the highest bidder, his most pragmatic action was to get the easiest path for the guy who hired him to be re-elected. It was short sighted pragmatism at best.  The easiest path for GWB, or any Republican to get re-elected at the time was to rile up the GOP base and homophobic moderates and Democrats with gay marriage.  Abortion wasn't working anymore.  For them it was pragmatic at the time.  They took short term gain over long term viability.  Kerry probably would have won, and I wish he had.

For Obama, the pragmatic thing to help his election chances was to be for gay marriage.

It backfired a few years later once people caught on that the sky had not fallen and that god had not smote places that allowed it.

The pragmatic solution is indeed "Let two adults enter into a legal agreement set up by the state".  The even better one is "Strip religious leaders of power 'vested in them by the state'".  You already have to go to the county office to get the marriage license.  It makes no sense to go to another guy, have him wave his hands over you, sign it, then you go back to the office you got the license from and file it.  Just do it all the legal stuff that day, and have the ceremony where your family and their family come together and party like it's 1999, and Uncle Jerry gets hammered and does his best chicken dance ...


Bush's tactics backfired. Preview is your friend if you've been rearranging with copy/paste.
 
2014-04-16 12:55:51 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: AverageAmericanGuy: His job as a strategist is to win elections. Seems like he's great at his job.

You really need to separate your closely-held beliefs from pragmatism. If you can't, you're no better than anyone in the Tea Party.

So you're a homophobe. Good for you. Denying gay people rights is not pragmatic at any point in a democracy, including elections; but to claim it is does reveal who is prejudiced.


You don't think that shortly before President Obama publicly announced that his attitude towards gay marriage was evolving, that nobody thought to analyze polls to prognosticate how the statement would affect the opinions of likely voters?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/11/barac k- obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/

I would guess that his staff determined that most of the voters who would be enraged at an official endorsement of gay marriage were either not going to vote Democratic anyway, or considered other issues to be more important.

If the cultural and political environment were different, and it were likely that a public endorsement of gay marriage would have significantly impaired Obama's chances to be re-elected, would you rather have a waffling Obama in the White House, or Mitt Romney, who would be openly and proudly homophobic?

I think that's what he meant by "pragmatism".  I agree that in that hypothetical scenario, you shouldn't have to settle for the lesser of two evils.  But the world is messy.
 
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