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2014-04-16 10:29:15 AM
Viral marketing for the new Godzilla film due out next month.
 
2014-04-16 10:41:11 AM
Can I keep it?

Please?
 
2014-04-16 10:58:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?


Finders keepers.
 
2014-04-16 11:38:04 AM
Navigating that channel under normal conditions is pretty serious, but throw in some serious chop and wind, especially with a ship with acres of freeboard like that and things can get mighty sh*tty mighty fast.  Note in TFA the collision between the container ship and a rigging vessel an hour later, and the freighters dragging anchor at moorings.  That's seriously dangerous.
 
2014-04-16 11:58:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?


If there are people on board, no.
 
2014-04-16 11:59:28 AM
The first guy to show up with a cutting torch gets salvage rights, right? I think I read that some where. Hurry up, I need to pick up a tank of acetylene.
 
2014-04-16 11:59:42 AM

probesport: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

If there are people on board, no.


YOU SUCK I HATE YOU
 
2014-04-16 12:01:20 PM

Walker: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

Finders keepers.


You might be surprised what you can finder/keeper on the high seas.  Admiralty Laws, rights of salvage, and all that.  You can't keep any of the people, though.

Run out there in your dinghy, and put a tow rope on the bow.  It's yours.
 
2014-04-16 12:01:53 PM

factoryconnection: Navigating that channel under normal conditions is pretty serious, but throw in some serious chop and wind, especially with a ship with acres of freeboard like that and things can get mighty sh*tty mighty fast.  Note in TFA the collision between the container ship and a rigging vessel an hour later, and the freighters dragging anchor at moorings.  That's seriously dangerous.


I'm pretty sure that every pair of pants on that rigging vessel had extra wide brown streaks when the ship that was almost 13 and a half times larger than it swapped paint with it.

/you're going to need a bigger boat
 
2014-04-16 12:04:45 PM
My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.
 
2014-04-16 12:04:51 PM

MooseBayou: Walker: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

Finders keepers.

You might be surprised what you can finder/keeper on the high seas.  Admiralty Laws, rights of salvage, and all that.  You can't keep any of the people, though.

Run out there in your dinghy, and put a tow rope on the bow.  It's yours.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-16 12:05:11 PM
It's a gale if a ship washes up on the beach.

It's a cyclone if the ship is tossed up on the beach.
 
2014-04-16 12:05:43 PM

MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.


Some people pay good money to get a decent anchor dragging these days.
 
2014-04-16 12:06:21 PM

MooseBayou: Run out there in your dinghy, and put a tow rope on the bow. It's yours.


Not quite, if you had a Tug boat and were able to free the vessel you then have right to bill the owners for the retrieval, if they then don't pay you get to keep the ship. IIRC the going rate for freeing a grounded vessel is between $100-$200 a foot, so it can be a sizable payday.
 
2014-04-16 12:11:56 PM

factoryconnection: Navigating that channel under normal conditions is pretty serious, but throw in some serious chop and wind, especially with a ship with acres of freeboard like that and things can get mighty sh*tty mighty fast.  Note in TFA the collision between the container ship and a rigging vessel an hour later, and the freighters dragging anchor at moorings.  That's seriously dangerous.


I think they were lying at anchor at the sea buoy, not trying to navigate the channel.  They may have needed a pilot, (I disremember the restrictions in the Chesapeake), if they are a foreign-flag vessel.  Or, they may have been waiting for wharf space.

The Coast Guard, I am pretty certain, requires a permit to run up and down the Bay, and they would not have issued one during weather like this.
 
2014-04-16 12:13:23 PM
Not like the MSC Napoli, with the Beemer cycles. Most of those brand new bikes disappeared. www.thesun.co.uk%252Fsol%252Fhomepage%252Fnews%252F29205%252FStricken - ship-attracts-looters.html%3B540%3B320
 
2014-04-16 12:15:45 PM

MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.


Unless it's blowing 70 and you're in the bay.
 
2014-04-16 12:17:19 PM

Tom_Slick: MooseBayou: Run out there in your dinghy, and put a tow rope on the bow. It's yours.

Not quite, if you had a Tug boat and were able to free the vessel you then have right to bill the owners for the retrieval, if they then don't pay you get to keep the ship. IIRC the going rate for freeing a grounded vessel is between $100-$200 a foot, so it can be a sizable payday.


Yeah, you have to be able to propel the equipment.  The going rate for a 5,000 HP tug to standby or to free a grounded ship, in 1980 was about $1,000.00 per day.  I couldn't guess what the day rate would be now.

Maybe, just maybe, if you had just the right dinghy, and just the right propulsion mechanism ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skRb-oND3qA
www.csmonitor.com
RIP, Charles Atlas.
 
2014-04-16 12:19:50 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: probesport: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

If there are people on board, no.

YOU SUCK I HATE YOU


Go to your room, NOW!
 
2014-04-16 12:21:13 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.

Unless it's blowing 70 and you're in the bay.


They weren't in the bay.  All those ship are lying at anchor, at the sea buoy, waiting for whatever.
localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-16 12:22:16 PM
i.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-16 12:26:25 PM
Meh.  Was expecting something more like this:

cache.boston.com
 
2014-04-16 12:27:45 PM
MooseBayou: [pic]

That's about how the New Carissa looked on her first day as a wreck.
 
2014-04-16 12:36:07 PM

UtileDysfunktion: Meh.  Was expecting something more like this:

[cache.boston.com image 850x535]


It's amazing that thing is balancing so neatly on its keel.
 
2014-04-16 12:38:03 PM

IoSaturnalia: MooseBayou: [pic]

That's about how the New Carissa looked on her first day as a wreck.


That was a fine mess.
 
2014-04-16 12:40:44 PM
Now they can unload the cargo right on to the beach.
 
2014-04-16 12:51:18 PM
I call dibs!  I call....

Walker: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

Finders keepers.


CRAP!


/oh swell
 
2014-04-16 01:07:40 PM
Was hoping for the cargo but looks empty.
 
2014-04-16 01:09:08 PM
img.fark.net

What Chicks Beach may look like.
 
2014-04-16 01:16:00 PM
So the captain wasn't into the sauce?

Huh.
 
2014-04-16 01:16:58 PM

MooseBayou: UtileDysfunktion: Meh.  Was expecting something more like this:

[cache.boston.com image 850x535]

It's amazing that thing is balancing so neatly on its keel.


Looks like it's stuck in the sand a fair bit (can't make out the screw).
 
2014-04-16 01:18:31 PM

UtileDysfunktion: Looks like it's stuck in the sand a fair bit (can't make out the screw).


x4.fjcdn.com
 
2014-04-16 01:20:38 PM

MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.


If he had his anchor deployed he probably would've washed up stern first, as he would have been flagged with the wind.

/that boat most certainly has duel mains, odds of losing both are long.
 
2014-04-16 01:28:36 PM
The 751-foot bulk carrier Ornak is aground at the 2800 block of Shore Drive near First Landing State Park.


You are of the clan Ornak .  I am the last of my line, but my clan will outlive yours.
 
2014-04-16 01:30:15 PM

MooseBayou: Walker: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

Finders keepers.

You might be surprised what you can finder/keeper on the high seas.  Admiralty Laws, rights of salvage, and all that.  You can't keep any of the people, though.

Run out there in your dinghy, and put a tow rope on the bow.  It's yours.


3.bp.blogspot.comimg.fark.net
 whatculture.com
Well. There goes out salvage boys.
 
2014-04-16 01:33:17 PM

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: I call dibs!  I call....

Walker: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

Finders keepers.

CRAP!


/oh swell


CLAIMED!
 
2014-04-16 01:34:18 PM

ficklefkrfark: If he had his anchor deployed he probably would've washed up stern first, as he would have been flagged with the wind.



Nope.  When you drag anchor, your boat is broadside to the wind.
 
2014-04-16 01:37:40 PM
They have to wait outside the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel channel for a Bay Pilot before coming up to Baltimore. Guess they have to have a Pilot for Newport News, Porsmouth & Norfolk as well.

You can track most any vessels worlwide here:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/home
 
2014-04-16 01:48:39 PM
Why does it need so many feet?

/stolen from whale
 
2014-04-16 01:48:50 PM

Lapdance: They have to wait outside the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel channel for a Bay Pilot before coming up to Baltimore. Guess they have to have a Pilot for Newport News, Porsmouth & Norfolk as well.

You can track most any vessels worlwide here:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/home


Why didnt they use this to locate that Malaysian plane that became a really bad boat?
 
2014-04-16 01:54:57 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: MooseBayou: Walker: AverageAmericanGuy: Can I keep it?

Please?

Finders keepers.

You might be surprised what you can finder/keeper on the high seas.  Admiralty Laws, rights of salvage, and all that.  You can't keep any of the people, though.

Run out there in your dinghy, and put a tow rope on the bow.  It's yours.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x302][img.fark.net image 820x400]
 [whatculture.com image 600x300]
Well. There goes out salvage boys.


....Buuuuuuut......if they were all dead when we got here......
 
2014-04-16 02:05:00 PM

probesport: Lapdance: They have to wait outside the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel channel for a Bay Pilot before coming up to Baltimore. Guess they have to have a Pilot for Newport News, Porsmouth & Norfolk as well.

You can track most any vessels worlwide here:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/home

Why didnt they use this to locate that Malaysian plane that became a really bad boat?


You're bad, and you should feel bad.

/excuse me stewardess, what's the movie on this flight?
 
2014-04-16 02:05:10 PM

IoSaturnalia: MooseBayou: [pic]

That's about how the New Carissa looked on her first day as a wreck.


Those were the Happy Times for the US Navy.
 
2014-04-16 02:37:51 PM
Where were you when the ship hit the span?
 
2014-04-16 02:56:22 PM

ficklefkrfark: MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.

If he had his anchor deployed he probably would've washed up stern first, as he would have been flagged with the wind.

/that boat most certainly has duel mains, odds of losing both are long.


Could have been the fuel was contaminated with water, and fouled the injectors.  Dunno.
 
2014-04-16 03:22:39 PM
To help stabilize the ships, the Virginia Pilot office dispatched 11 pilots to help the vessels at anchorage.


That's the problem with well-intentioned but ill-equipped organizations sending emergency relief personnel.

When your boat is experiencing boat problems such as "dragging anchor", being more underwater than normal, or being unexpectedly on a beach- you are probably not going to need 11 guys to stand behind you yelling "pull up!" and ogling your stewardesses.
 
2014-04-16 03:28:38 PM
It's a bad day and a Master that underestimated the severity of the wind and overestimated the holding power of his single anchor.

Being empty & in ballast she is a plaything for the wind.

It keeps happening, like the Korean Master of PASHA BULKER off Newcastle a couple of years ago who sat in his cabin drinking coffee until he was aground close enough to walk to a cafe :

www.theepochtimes.com
 
2014-04-16 03:33:51 PM
http://wavy.com/2014/04/15/coast-guard-ship-ran-aground-near-cbbt/">h ttp://wavy.com/2014/04/15/coast-guard-ship-ran-aground-near-cbbt/

slightly more information about it.  specifically, that it was indeed anchored and not navigating the channel or the bay.  "About an hour later, Petty Officer Brandyn Hill with the Coast Guard said a 751-foot cargo ship that was anchored at Lynnhaven Anchorage port facility ran aground near First Landing State Park."

i realize some people have already commented here saying that this is most likely the case, but here's a little confirmation on that.
 
2014-04-16 03:42:50 PM

dalverian: i realize some people have already commented here saying that this is most likely the case, but here's a little confirmation on that.


That does change the situation quite a bit and bodes poorly for the Master's career.
 
2014-04-16 04:09:05 PM
Meh... Graveyard of the Atlantic... happens all the time...

/at least it used to...

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-16 04:21:31 PM

dalverian: http://wavy.com/2014/04/15/coast-guard-ship-ran-aground-near-cbbt/">h ttp://wavy.com/2014/04/15/coast-guard-ship-ran-aground-near-cbbt/

slightly more information about it.  specifically, that it was indeed anchored and not navigating the channel or the bay.  "About an hour later, Petty Officer Brandyn Hill with the Coast Guard said a 751-foot cargo ship that was anchored at Lynnhaven Anchorage port facility ran aground near First Landing State Park."

i realize some people have already commented here saying that this is most likely the case, but here's a little confirmation on that.


Well, it was trying to be anchored.
 
2014-04-16 04:52:05 PM

MooseBayou: HotIgneous Intruder: MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.

Unless it's blowing 70 and you're in the bay.

They weren't in the bay.  All those ship are lying at anchor, at the sea buoy, waiting for whatever.
[localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]


They are in the bay, right near Shore Drive and Great Neck road.
 
2014-04-16 05:11:06 PM

RY28: MooseBayou: HotIgneous Intruder: MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.

Unless it's blowing 70 and you're in the bay.

They weren't in the bay.  All those ship are lying at anchor, at the sea buoy, waiting for whatever.
[localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

They are in the bay, right near Shore Drive and Great Neck road.


If you can consider being on the seward side of the Bridge/Tunnel 'in the bay'. Not a whole lot of breakwater out there if the storm was blowing out of the East or Northeast. When I was in the Navy we'd be rocking and rolling before we passed the tunnel if the weather was bad.
 
2014-04-16 07:24:07 PM

Gleeman: RY28: MooseBayou: HotIgneous Intruder: MooseBayou: My guess is that they must have lost main engine power.  No prudent mariner just allows his anchor to be dragged.

Unless it's blowing 70 and you're in the bay.

They weren't in the bay.  All those ship are lying at anchor, at the sea buoy, waiting for whatever.
[localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com image 850x637]

They are in the bay, right near Shore Drive and Great Neck road.

If you can consider being on the seward side of the Bridge/Tunnel 'in the bay'. Not a whole lot of breakwater out there if the storm was blowing out of the East or Northeast. When I was in the Navy we'd be rocking and rolling before we passed the tunnel if the weather was bad.


The anchorage is right there off the beach. Like I said before they wait there for pilots and/or berth assignments. For those not from around this area, there was a whole band of storms that swept through all day and into the night in the Balto. area. I work on the Port there. Wind was pretty hard and we got at least 2" of rain in some areas. At the mouth of the bay, out there in the open, I can imagine the gusts hitting above 50kts.

Here's the link again, that vessel's track shows it drifting towards the beach at a little over 2kts that night.

www.marinetraffic.com
 
2014-04-16 08:02:50 PM

IoSaturnalia: ficklefkrfark: If he had his anchor deployed he probably would've washed up stern first, as he would have been flagged with the wind.


Nope.  When you drag anchor, your boat is broadside to the wind.


When the wind hits your broadside wouldn't it cause your boat to pivot off your ground tackle and flag the boats bow into the wind as your anchor is providing resistance? (like a weathervane, if you will )
Any time I've drug it's usually due to the wind and tide working together....I've never had my boat remain broadside to the wind on anchor unless the wind and tide are at a stalemate, and even then you tend to swing willy nilly at the mercy of the strongest force at that moment. I assume you mean that the anchor tends to break free from the bottom when hit broadside, as it puts a lateral force on the anchor and greatly reduces it's mechanical advantage....

/AK fisherman for 13 years
 
2014-04-16 08:39:22 PM

ficklefkrfark: I assume you mean that the anchor tends to break free from the bottom when hit broadside, as it puts a lateral force on the anchor and greatly reduces it's mechanical advantage....

/AK fisherman for 13 years


Nope.  I mean exactly what I wrote.  If the ground tackle isn't holding, most likely you will find your vessel beam to weather.  Yes, I've been there.

Think about being out at sea and then turning off the engine (or dropping the sails).  Your boat will drift beam to wind.

Now think about how your boat behaves on the hook.  When there is no current, your boat will sit at about 45 degrees to the wind (or turn figure eights) as the force is balanced between the wind and the anchor.  Once you start dragging, the force holding the bow is no more (or lessened quite a bit)  and your boat will indeed go broadside to the wind, just like if there was no anchor at all.
 
2014-04-16 09:02:50 PM

IoSaturnalia: ficklefkrfark: I assume you mean that the anchor tends to break free from the bottom when hit broadside, as it puts a lateral force on the anchor and greatly reduces it's mechanical advantage....

/AK fisherman for 13 years

Nope.  I mean exactly what I wrote.  If the ground tackle isn't holding, most likely you will find your vessel beam to weather.  Yes, I've been there.

Think about being out at sea and then turning off the engine (or dropping the sails).  Your boat will drift beam to wind.

Now think about how your boat behaves on the hook.  When there is no current, your boat will sit at about 45 degrees to the wind (or turn figure eights) as the force is balanced between the wind and the anchor.  Once you start dragging, the force holding the bow is no more (or lessened quite a bit)  and your boat will indeed go broadside to the wind, just like if there was no anchor at all.


Ahhh, I see now,makes sense...my primary fishery has 26 foot tide swings...so when we start dragging we are at the mercy of a ripping current, this tends to keep us pulling straight back on the anchor line(and skewing my perception on the boats behavior while dragging)...as the anchor is now probably acting more like a sea anchor as opposed to ground tackle.
We had a 70 knot blow last summer, had to spend a couple of hours bumping her in and out of gear while on hook to keep her from dragging....no fun.
When my net is deployed we flag downwind...do we not broadside due to the tremendous drag of the 150fthm of gear?
 
2014-04-17 08:47:09 AM

ficklefkrfark: /AK fisherman for 13 years


You should use something with a little more oomph.  I used to fish with an M-1 Garand.
 
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