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(NBC New York)   Driver arrested for being the only sober person on his bus full of teenagers   (nbcnewyork.com) divider line 38
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2014-04-16 08:22:49 AM  
The teens were on the bus that night because a parent of one of the students had rented it for the junior prom in March but the bus had a mechanical issue at the time...The bus company offered the students this trip to make good on that junior prom booking


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2014-04-16 09:29:20 AM  
And how about the parents who were the ones who supplied the alcohol to the teens?
 
2014-04-16 10:27:23 AM  
Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.
 
2014-04-16 10:38:33 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.


No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.
 
2014-04-16 10:43:24 AM  
I believe that's called a "Reverse Otto"
 
2014-04-16 10:44:13 AM  

cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.


Let's start arresting taxi drivers and public bus drivers too. This guy was doing his farking job.

Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago and now teaches teens about the consequences of underage drinking through an organization called Dedicatedd, says the driver should have stepped up.
"I feel anger, disappointment, fear for the children's safety," said Lee. "These kids get off that party buss and they're drunk out of their minds -- what's to stop them from stepping in the street and being killed?"


Someone doesn't know what a party bus is.
 
2014-04-16 10:44:24 AM  

cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.


Oh my God that's so stupid. Fark this world. I'm getting back to work on that rocketship.
 
2014-04-16 10:45:32 AM  
Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago ... should be happy that her activism worked and these kids hired a sober drover.

But instead she's just angry that alcohol exists.
 
2014-04-16 10:49:23 AM  

moothemagiccow: Let's start arresting taxi drivers and public bus drivers too. This guy was doing his farking job.


The SS were just doing their jobs, too..

/i kid
 
2014-04-16 10:51:22 AM  

cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.


From Wikipedia: "Persons under 21 are prohibited from purchasing alcohol or possessing alcohol with the intent to consume, unless the alcohol was given to that person by their parent or legal guardian. There is no law prohibiting where people under 21 may possess or consume alcohol that was given to them by their parents."
Seems like if these kids really did get the booze from their parents, this guy did nothing wrong. He is in fact incredibly in the right for not telling the kids to get off the bus and find another way home, because THAT would've led to drunk driving, or a hell of a lot of taxi drivers getting arrested, apparently
 
2014-04-16 10:52:30 AM  

profplump: Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago ... should be happy that her activism worked and these kids hired a sober drover.

But instead she's just angry that alcohol exists.


good thing her kid wasn't raped, then
 
2014-04-16 10:54:10 AM  
 
2014-04-16 10:55:55 AM  
The guy was doing what his boss told him to do. Drive the kids. If he said no he'd be fired. He didn't buy them beer. He's not their chaperon. He's just the guy paid to drive them. Arrest who bought them beer in the first place.
 
2014-04-16 10:56:38 AM  
Auto play video? Fark you NBC 4 NY!
 
2014-04-16 10:56:40 AM  

profplump: Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago ... should be happy that her activism worked and these kids hired a sober drover.

But instead she's just angry that alcohol exists.


The drop in IQ people experience after having kids is amazing.
 
2014-04-16 11:01:57 AM  
Driving a busload of drunk teens to Southampton?

Talk about carrying coals to Newcastle.

/actually, in NY, carrying drunk rich teens to newcastle
 
2014-04-16 11:02:21 AM  

Walker: The guy was doing what his boss told him to do. Drive the kids. If he said no he'd be fired. He didn't buy them beer. He's not their chaperon. He's just the guy paid to drive them. Arrest who bought them beer in the first place.


Would you please stop making sense. It scares me.
 
2014-04-16 11:02:56 AM  
Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago and now teaches teens about the consequences of underage drinking through an organization called Dedicatedd, says the driver should have stepped up.

No one was driving drunk. What is her problem ?
 
2014-04-16 11:06:58 AM  

capt.hollister: Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago and now teaches teens about the consequences of underage drinking through an organization called Dedicatedd, says the driver should have stepped up.

No one was driving drunk. What is her problem ?


Shes a parent. The problem is compounded by her sons death
 
2014-04-16 11:07:12 AM  
I hate people.  Kids will get drunk, it's far better for them to be on a bus than behind the wheel.
 
2014-04-16 11:07:12 AM  
The parents are responsible not this poor driver.
 
2014-04-16 11:07:16 AM  
Poor guy. Going to face charges for driving some drunk rich brats around at their parent's request.
 
2014-04-16 11:07:52 AM  

zarker: cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.

From Wikipedia: "Persons under 21 are prohibited from purchasing alcohol or possessing alcohol with the intent to consume, unless the alcohol was given to that person by their parent or legal guardian. There is no law prohibiting where people under 21 may possess or consume alcohol that was given to them by their parents."
Seems like if these kids really did get the booze from their parents, this guy did nothing wrong. He is in fact incredibly in the right for not telling the kids to get off the bus and find another way home, because THAT would've led to drunk driving, or a hell of a lot of taxi drivers getting arrested, apparently


The flaw in your argument is that the contract between the limo service and the parents would have specified that no one under age 18 is permitted to have alcohol and the driver is responsible for enforcing it.  I don't have a problem with parents allowing their teenagers to drink.  But it's pretty chicken-shiat to throw that whole mess on the shoulders of a hired driver and make him violate his terms of employment.  I agree that it is a large crock of bovine excrement that the driver would be held liable and have charges brought against him.  But that is the law.

There was a case that involved a bartender friend of mine where he served an 18 year old at a wedding at the insistence of the kid's mother.  The wedding was in a private hall.  The kid drove home and got in a minor accident.  Nobody was injured but the cops realized the kid had been drinking, even though he wasn't legally drunk.  The bartender was held accountable for serving an underage kid.  No charges were ever brought against the mother who asked the bartender to do it.  It could have been a $1000 fine and 60 days in jail but the judge (fortunately) isn't a big fan of the local prosecuting attorney and gave him a suspended sentence.  Just as an aside, that mother was not too different from the parents in this case.  When the excrement interfaced with the ventilation device, she was "outraged" that the bartender didn't tell her it was illegal for him to serve her precious snowflake, even though she had insisted on it over his initial objections.
 
2014-04-16 11:10:32 AM  
Yeah, I'm going with the general sentiment of the thread.

The bus driver is just doing his job.  Had he refused, he almost certainly would have been fired.
Talk about a catch-22...  That just sucks.
 
2014-04-16 11:18:06 AM  

cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.


Partly that but I'm guessing the main reason the driver got in trouble was the presence of over a hundred cans of beer and "several gallons" of liquor on the bus.  It's one thing to give drunk kids a ride.  It's another thing entirely to provide them a place to drink.
 
2014-04-16 11:26:05 AM  
Auto play? No wonder I use script blockers for this shiat. Insofar as drunk kids go, don't hold the driver responsible for your snowflakes behavior. I'm not gonna chalk it up to the kids being kids mentality, but the kids should have had more responsible parents, not just squeezing them out, and spending the rest of the time looking for someone to blame when the kids don't meet your expectations.
Sure, I've wrecked my car drunk, broke my cervical spine. No DUIs or other stuff, back whne driving drunk just got you a ticket, and maybe a lift home frpom the cops, not this money grubbing stuff from all the speial interests lobbying.
Just a poor schlub trying to earn a buck, and you want to hold him accountable for damages? Puh-leeze..
 
2014-04-16 11:29:31 AM  
I feel anger, disappointment, fear for the children's safety," said Lee. "These kids get off that party buss and they're drunk out of their minds -- what's to stop them from stepping in the street and being killed?"

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2014-04-16 11:56:58 AM  
the driver got cornholed, and he isn't even in prison yet.
 
2014-04-16 11:59:30 AM  
And none of the kids got minor consumption charges? Must have been a bunch of rich kids.
 
2014-04-16 12:08:54 PM  
The video mentions the lady's son was killed in a drunk driving accident, so she is sooo concerned that she doesn't want someone who hasn't been drinking to drive drunk people around.

How is this going to affect Taxi drivers?
 
2014-04-16 01:01:16 PM  
Ever try to take alcohol away from a partying teenager? How about more than 1? How about a dozen? If that bus driver had tried to take away the alcohol from 42 teenagers, his life would have been in danger.
 
2014-04-16 01:02:47 PM  

zarker: cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.

From Wikipedia: "Persons under 21 are prohibited from purchasing alcohol or possessing alcohol with the intent to consume, unless the alcohol was given to that person by their parent or legal guardian. There is no law prohibiting where people under 21 may possess or consume alcohol that was given to them by their parents."
Seems like if these kids really did get the booze from their parents, this guy did nothing wrong. He is in fact incredibly in the right for not telling the kids to get off the bus and find another way home, because THAT would've led to drunk driving, or a hell of a lot of taxi drivers getting arrested, apparently


The driver's lawyer will get him off for reasons like this. He'll easily plead down to a meaningless charge or have all charges dropped. There's a laundry list of reasons for the driver to hold off intervening.
 
2014-04-16 01:17:11 PM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: capt.hollister: Marge Lee, whose son died in a drunk driving accident years ago and now teaches teens about the consequences of underage drinking through an organization called Dedicatedd, says the driver should have stepped up.

No one was driving drunk. What is her problem ?

Shes a parent. The problem is compounded by her sons death


Then she should be satisfied that the kids had enough sense to be in a party bus driven by a sober driver instead of getting behind the wheel and driving drunk.

The attempt to make the driver responsible for kids partying and drinking is ludicrous. It's tragic that her son was killed, but maybe he wouldn't have been if someone had had a designated driver at the time. That is what she should aim for instead of trying to punish a sober driver who drove for drunk kids !

/also a parent
 
2014-04-16 01:31:07 PM  
I wonder what would have happened had the bus driver called the cops on the kids if/when he discovered the alcohol.  Would that have prevented him with being charged, or would it have just brought on the same punishment?  Or is there another option?
 
2014-04-16 02:01:04 PM  

BillDozer357: I wonder what would have happened had the bus driver called the cops on the kids if/when he discovered the alcohol.  Would that have prevented him with being charged, or would it have just brought on the same punishment?  Or is there another option?


Again, if the parents supplied the alcohol, this would have been pointless.
 
2014-04-16 03:11:10 PM  

Stoker: The video mentions the lady's son was killed in a drunk driving accident, so she is sooo concerned that she doesn't want someone who hasn't been drinking to drive drunk people around.

How is this going to affect Taxi drivers?


Frankly, I'm a bit shocked at the way this thread is going. I absolutely INSIST that the monsters ride ONLY with drunk drivers - I mean, come on, I can't afford to feed ALL of them, and this way it's not my fault.

/Also a parent.
 
2014-04-16 03:23:21 PM  

zarker: cgraves67: AverageAmericanGuy: Is the bus driver supposed to be carding the kids? WTF does he care what the kids are doing? His job is to drive people from point A to point B.

No, but in some states the driver is responsible for the condition of the passengers. So don't ever be the DD for underaged drinkers.

From Wikipedia: "Persons under 21 are prohibited from purchasing alcohol or possessing alcohol with the intent to consume, unless the alcohol was given to that person by their parent or legal guardian. There is no law prohibiting where people under 21 may possess or consume alcohol that was given to them by their parents."
Seems like if these kids really did get the booze from their parents, this guy did nothing wrong. He is in fact incredibly in the right for not telling the kids to get off the bus and find another way home, because THAT would've led to drunk driving, or a hell of a lot of taxi drivers getting arrested, apparently


The laws vary wildly but the basic premise is that <21 may consume alcohol given to them by *their* parents to consume in a private location.

That said;  what a complete crock that the driver was charged but all of the kids walk away clean.  No mention where all of the alcohol came from which is pretty important considering the quantity.
 
2014-04-16 05:58:38 PM  

mama2tnt: Stoker: The video mentions the lady's son was killed in a drunk driving accident, so she is sooo concerned that she doesn't want someone who hasn't been drinking to drive drunk people around.

How is this going to affect Taxi drivers?

Frankly, I'm a bit shocked at the way this thread is going. I absolutely INSIST that the monsters ride ONLY with drunk drivers - I mean, come on, I can't afford to feed ALL of them, and this way it's not my fault.

/Also a parent.


(Keeping the sarcasm going...) So, you don't care about Taxi drivers either. Arrest or ticket them for carrying drunk passengers. (That would seriously hurt Las Vegas BTW.)
Who cares some irresponsible parents let their kids out to get drunk, you just better not let them hire your transportation services or you will be arrested.

And if you decide to let them hire you... you better search everything that 42 people are carrying to make sure they are not breaking the law that you will be charged for.
 
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