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(The Wrap)   Sanjay Gupta on deadly Ebola outbreak in Guinea: "There's a possibility of someone getting on a plane who has been exposed but not developed any symptoms"   (thewrap.com) divider line 82
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2014-04-15 11:39:39 PM
Just like it is technically possible a black hole swallowed up MH370.  possible? yes.  Probable?  no.

Ebola infections come from handling infected blood or fluids.  Many of the Infections are primary care providers such as nurses, or Family Members involved in washing and preparing the bodies for funerals.  There are also the economic factors to consider, I would wager that not many of the infected or dead could afford an airline ticket.
 
2014-04-15 11:46:23 PM
My doctorate isn't in medicine, but really, anyone making that moronic of a statement is amazingly silly.  Yes, if you begin showing symptoms during the flifht, and vomit blood all over every single pax, then they quarantine the plane.  Problem solved.
 
2014-04-16 12:04:00 AM
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2014-04-16 12:15:26 AM

TommyJReed: Just like it is technically possible a black hole swallowed up MH370.  possible? yes.  Probable?  no.

Ebola infections come from handling infected blood or fluids.  Many of the Infections are primary care providers such as nurses, or Family Members involved in washing and preparing the bodies for funerals.  There are also the economic factors to consider, I would wager that not many of the infected or dead could afford an airline ticket.


Well once the dead start buying airline tickets, I think it's time to panic.
 
2014-04-16 01:06:55 AM

AliceBToklasLives: TommyJReed: Just like it is technically possible a black hole swallowed up MH370.  possible? yes.  Probable?  no.

Ebola infections come from handling infected blood or fluids.  Many of the Infections are primary care providers such as nurses, or Family Members involved in washing and preparing the bodies for funerals.  There are also the economic factors to consider, I would wager that not many of the infected or dead could afford an airline ticket.

Well once the dead start buying airline tickets, I think it's time to panic.


Been on a plane to west coast Florida?
 
2014-04-16 01:11:28 AM

dahmers love zombie: My doctorate isn't in medicine, but really, anyone making that moronic of a statement is amazingly silly.


except he didn't say that. subby took a few liberties with the quote.


here's the quote:

"The problem now is that it is in Conakry [capital of Guinea], which is a city of 2 million and has an international airport and the possibility of someone getting on a plane who has been exposed but not developed any symptoms, that's a real concern. It's not likely to happen, but it has been keeping people up at night".

here's the part that subby changed to coax a greenlight:

"The problem now is that it is in Conakry [capital of Guinea], which is a city of 2 million and has an international airport and the possibility of someone getting on a plane who has been exposed but not developed any symptoms, that's a real concern. It's not likely to happen, but it has been keeping people up at night".

that does not mean the same as "there is a possibility". and of course, Dr. Gupta attempts to calm irrational fears by adding, "it's not likely to happen...".

he's talking about how some people will be thinking that, not that HE is thinking that.
 
2014-04-16 01:22:49 AM

AliceBToklasLives: TommyJReed: Just like it is technically possible a black hole swallowed up MH370.  possible? yes.  Probable?  no.

Ebola infections come from handling infected blood or fluids.  Many of the Infections are primary care providers such as nurses, or Family Members involved in washing and preparing the bodies for funerals.  There are also the economic factors to consider, I would wager that not many of the infected or dead could afford an airline ticket.

Well once the dead start buying airline tickets, I think it's time to panic.


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2014-04-16 01:50:35 AM
This man was once seriously considered for the position of Surgeon General of the United States.

Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.
 
2014-04-16 02:26:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: This man was once seriously considered for the position of Surgeon General of the United States.

Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.


Good Grenada, I haven't thought of her in years...
 
2014-04-16 05:02:08 AM
Asking for a friend - how plausible is it to live like the "bubble boy"? My friend is just curious, of course.
 
2014-04-16 06:27:02 AM
And it will be Sanjay Gupta.
 
2014-04-16 06:31:15 AM
Ebola is not an airborne virus, it requires direct contact.

But let's not mention that and cause a blind panic anyway.
 
2014-04-16 06:38:53 AM
[shut.down.everything.jpg]
 
2014-04-16 06:40:48 AM
In other news, Sanjay needs ratings.
 
2014-04-16 06:45:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.


What did she say that was wrong? If anything, she just seems ahead of her time.
 
2014-04-16 06:50:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: This man was once seriously considered for the position of Surgeon General of the United States.

Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.


...so what was it he said with which you take issue? Gupta's statement seemed reasonable to me.
 
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2014-04-16 06:53:36 AM
Trapped in a sardine can going trans continental with a carrier hmm. So much coughing, sneezing, vomiting going on that at what point do those vectors become droplet transmission instead of airbourn.

'Course I just had a mental image of someone with a hemorrhagic fever being fine on the ground, but after the plane changes cabin pressure, *POP* goes weasel. Similar to that Total Recall scene. Blood and goo everywhere.
 
2014-04-16 06:54:35 AM

lohphat: Ebola is not an airborne virus, it requires direct contact.

But let's not mention that and cause a blind panic anyway.


So, it would never board that plane to begin with.i
 
2014-04-16 06:58:22 AM
Sanjay should just stick to tech support.
 
2014-04-16 06:59:38 AM
Is he still the face of medicine on HLN? If so, that's all I need to know about his opinion.

\dude's on par with Dr. Oz in my book
 
2014-04-16 06:59:43 AM
I'm black and would never step foot in Africa or South America.
/I'll leave that up to "I'm going back to the motherland" hyper-pro blacks and the "I want to tour the world" white people.
//Enjoy
 
2014-04-16 07:02:27 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: lohphat: Ebola is not an airborne virus, it requires direct contact.

But let's not mention that and cause a blind panic anyway.

So, it would never board that plane to begin with.i


Thank goodness no one has direct contact on planes.
 
2014-04-16 07:04:17 AM
And Kate Upton could be lying in my bed wearing nothing but my seed on her face right now.
 
2014-04-16 07:05:36 AM
Given that the people most likely to be exposed are those in contact with the bodies of the infected (family members, nurses, doctors, etc), we should immediately quarantine Sanjay Gupta to prevent him from carrying the Death Spore back to the US.

/Stupid fearmongering article
//Yes, I know it's a virus, not a spore
///Death Spore is the name of my Spinal Tap cover band
 
2014-04-16 07:05:56 AM
He's right. The CDC types get paid to think of these things. Likely? No. Potentially devastating if it did occur? Yes. Low probability events are worth considering if the potential impact is high enough. Ebola seems to fit that model.
 
2014-04-16 07:07:22 AM

dahmers love zombie: My doctorate isn't in medicine, but really, anyone making that moronic of a statement is amazingly silly.  Yes, if you begin showing symptoms during the flifht, and vomit blood all over every single pax, then they quarantine the plane.  Problem solved.


What am I missing?  Incubation period until symptoms appear is 2+ days; plenty of time to fly pretty much anywhere in the world before symptoms appear, no?  And if your first symptom is just a headache?

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

Add in the factor that male survivors can potentially transmit it two months after recovery.

I agree it's unlikely, but that's not the same thing as impossible...
 
2014-04-16 07:08:13 AM
If a Boeing 777 can survive what US Airways did to it without infection it can handle something simple like a cattle class full of violently hemhorraging tribesmen
 
2014-04-16 07:08:26 AM
Isn't that the guy who makes also those nonsensical statements disguised as philosophy?
 
2014-04-16 07:11:40 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If a Boeing 777 can survive what US Airways did to it without infection it can handle something simple like a cattle class full of violently hemhorraging tribesmen


That doesn't seem racist all, nope not at all...

: (
 
2014-04-16 07:13:59 AM

docmattic: AverageAmericanGuy: This man was once seriously considered for the position of Surgeon General of the United States.

Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.

...so what was it he said with which you take issue? Gupta's statement seemed reasonable to me.


That it was hyperbolic and sensationalist. Things we expect from news outlets, but not from government officials.
 
2014-04-16 07:17:19 AM

GameSprocket: AverageAmericanGuy: Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.

What did she say that was wrong? If anything, she just seems ahead of her time.


She was honest in a puritanical culture.

She publicly said that teenagers could avoid both pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by masturbating instead of having unprotected sex.

/The horror.
 
2014-04-16 07:19:07 AM

big pig peaches: Isn't that the guy who makes also those nonsensical statements disguised as philosophy?


I think you're thinking of Deepak Chopra or Joel Osteen.
 
2014-04-16 07:20:27 AM
Don't worry about it. Dying a horrible, painful death from your internal organs turning to goo is just part of Gods plan. Because he's a loving, caring god.
 
2014-04-16 07:21:34 AM
Absolute fear mongering. Totally unlikely.

By the way, any of you folks know what model crossbow Darryl carries in "The Walking Dead"? Need to know for...trivia night at my local bar...
 
2014-04-16 07:31:44 AM
www.tasteofcinema.com

"Go back in time, they said. It'll be fun, they said."
 
2014-04-16 07:39:06 AM

lohphat: Ebola is not an airborne virus, it requires direct contact.

But let's not mention that and cause a blind panic anyway.


Not entirely correct. Although direct contact is the principal method of transmission, Ebola and many of the hemorrhagic fever viruses can be spread by aerosolization as well:
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/abroad/pdf/vhf-interim-guidance.pdf

/on the upside, the same document says that transmission has never been found to happen from people before they develop symptoms (i.e. fever).
//yikes
 
2014-04-16 07:52:27 AM
Not to Madagascar's port. That one shut down the minute the president heard someone was coughing in Guinea.

/C'mon, this long for this?
 
2014-04-16 07:54:36 AM
In the good old days you didn't have to worry about this. They had really good air scrubbers when you could smoke on a plane.
 
2014-04-16 08:02:44 AM
What a maroon.
 
2014-04-16 08:17:51 AM

BullBearMS: GameSprocket: AverageAmericanGuy: Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.

What did she say that was wrong? If anything, she just seems ahead of her time.

She was honest in a puritanical culture.

She publicly said that teenagers could avoid both pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by masturbating instead of having unprotected sex.

/The horror.


And we all agree that masturbation is a great replacement for sex, and this will totally work
 
2014-04-16 08:20:28 AM
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calbert: dahmers love zombie: My doctorate isn't in medicine, but really, anyone making that moronic of a statement is amazingly silly.

except he didn't say that. subby took a few liberties with the quote.


here's the quote:

"The problem now is that it is in Conakry [capital of Guinea], which is a city of 2 million and has an international airport and the possibility of someone getting on a plane who has been exposed but not developed any symptoms, that's a real concern. It's not likely to happen, but it has been keeping people up at night".

here's the part that subby changed to coax a greenlight:

"The problem now is that it is in Conakry [capital of Guinea], which is a city of 2 million and has an international airport and the possibility of someone getting on a plane who has been exposed but not developed any symptoms, that's a real concern. It's not likely to happen, but it has been keeping people up at night".

that does not mean the same as "there is a possibility". and of course, Dr. Gupta attempts to calm irrational fears by adding, "it's not likely to happen...".

he's talking about how some people will be thinking that, not that HE is thinking that.


a.abcnews.com

Remember TB Andy?
 
2014-04-16 08:23:52 AM

CruJones: BullBearMS: GameSprocket: AverageAmericanGuy: Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.

What did she say that was wrong? If anything, she just seems ahead of her time.

She was honest in a puritanical culture.

She publicly said that teenagers could avoid both pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by masturbating instead of having unprotected sex.

/The horror.

And we all agree that masturbation is a great replacement for sex, and this will totally work


Yes. Teenagers never masturbate and it's much better that they have unprotected sex instead.
 
2014-04-16 08:24:15 AM
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2014-04-16 08:29:25 AM

docmattic: lohphat: Ebola is not an airborne virus, it requires direct contact.

But let's not mention that and cause a blind panic anyway.

Not entirely correct. Although direct contact is the principal method of transmission, Ebola and many of the hemorrhagic fever viruses can be spread by aerosolization as well:
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/abroad/pdf/vhf-interim-guidance.pdf

/on the upside, the same document says that transmission has never been found to happen from people before they develop symptoms (i.e. fever).
//yikes


The book "The Hot Zone" chronicled an incident where one of Ebola's cousins got loose in an Arlington VA research facility -- and just for giggles, there is solid evidence of pure airborne transmission (through filtered air) in that incident (which only involved Apes).

But the reason you don't have to fear Ebola is because it's too "hot" -- its symptoms show and kill so quickly that it can't really "outbreak" -- Marburg too.  What would really be scary would be a slower, less-fatal version of Ebola or Marburg.
 
2014-04-16 08:29:51 AM
Is there any reason why blood from an infected person wouldn't be an effective WMD in the hands of terrorists?   I've no idea how carefully they are guarding the bodies/fluids of the infected but if a small amount could be obtained it could easily be transported anywhere in the world and then cultivated and reproduced with relatively simple technologies.  I imagine infecting people could be as easy as driving by crowds of people and hitting them with a super-soaker that has a bit of infected blood added to the water.
 
2014-04-16 08:38:06 AM
Not if the moran can't get back in.
 
2014-04-16 08:47:09 AM

BullBearMS: CruJones: BullBearMS: GameSprocket: AverageAmericanGuy: Then again, Jocelyn Elders was also Surgeon General, so it's not like the bar is set especially high.

What did she say that was wrong? If anything, she just seems ahead of her time.

She was honest in a puritanical culture.

She publicly said that teenagers could avoid both pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by masturbating instead of having unprotected sex.

/The horror.

And we all agree that masturbation is a great replacement for sex, and this will totally work

Yes. Teenagers never masturbate and it's much better that they have unprotected sex instead.


That's the point, they already masturbate, telling them to do it and not have sex is simply naive and stupid.   Telling them to use condoms?  Great idea.
 
2014-04-16 08:48:35 AM

Pastor Veal: Is there any reason why blood from an infected person wouldn't be an effective WMD in the hands of terrorists?   I've no idea how carefully they are guarding the bodies/fluids of the infected but if a small amount could be obtained it could easily be transported anywhere in the world and then cultivated and reproduced with relatively simple technologies.  I imagine infecting people could be as easy as driving by crowds of people and hitting them with a super-soaker that has a bit of infected blood added to the water.


You just gave Don Lemon and CNN a huge boner with that question.
 
2014-04-16 08:50:30 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: I'm black and would never step foot in Africa or South America.
/I'll leave that up to "I'm going back to the motherland" hyper-pro blacks and the "I want to tour the world" white people.
//Enjoy


Those hyper-pro blacks also necer make it past 3 months here before fleeing back to civilization.

/currently woeking on escaping this continent myself
 
2014-04-16 08:53:03 AM

TommyJReed: Just like it is technically possible a black hole swallowed up MH370.  possible? yes.  Probable?  no.

Ebola infections come from handling infected blood or fluids.  Many of the Infections are primary care providers such as nurses, or Family Members involved in washing and preparing the bodies for funerals.  There are also the economic factors to consider, I would wager that not many of the infected or dead could afford an airline ticket.


I saw a US Air jet that was subjected to many bodily fluids on twitter not too long ago
 
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