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2014-04-16 08:00:23 AM
andrewromanblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-16 08:03:50 AM

some_beer_drinker: because it's still frozen, and holding up commerce? have a nice steaming cup of shut the fark up. thanks


I can't. I live in Wisconsin and get my shut the fark up by the St. Lawrence seaway.
 
2014-04-16 08:06:31 AM

wesmon: FloridaFarkTag: wesmon: Friction8r: This does not correlate well with spasmodic assertions of global warming I mean climate change. Therefore this thread will not draw the FECKLESS crowd and is thus rendered irrelevant.

You wear your stupidity like a badge I see.

Climate change doesn't just mean warmer everywhere all the time. But don't let the science get in the way of your blind assertions.

Global Warming Derp...calling Al Gore...need more Hockey Stick....oh wait...it's now Climate Change

With a reasoned and intelligent argument like that you could only have come from Orlando.


Hey, everything he learned about Global Warming he got from avowed climate scientists Anthony Watts and Christopher Monckton.
 
2014-04-16 08:07:19 AM
The thing about global warming, the thing that really matters is, the key thing to remember, is that it's GLOBAL!

This is local news, Bubba. Go tell it to Joe Biden and see if he thinks it's a BFD.

 I am glad to see that the Great Lakes water levels are being boosted back towards normal. Decades of decline have severely harmed wildlife, cottagers and shipping. If we can get one of these hard winters every once in a while from the polar vortex, it may build some resiliency into the system.

I doubt that this cold snap will alter the 37 year run of above base-line global average temperatures. It's just a blip in the regional, not the world, climate.

As Stéphane Mallarmé put it, a throw of the dice will never abolish chance. Weather does not refute climate, nor does regional climate nor natural variation refute the anthropogenic effect. It might wash it out temporarily but when our population jumped from one billion to over seven billion that one time, it changed the world and our relation to it.

For one thing, many ecologists believe that a human population of one billion is sustainable in the long run, while seven billion living like Americans or Canadians is not sustainable and uses more resources than the Earth can produce. We are eating up the capital of Life on Earth along with the interest and getting fatter and stupider by the mouthful.
 
2014-04-16 08:14:12 AM

calbert: "This is what the Great Lakes looked like one week ago."

way to just make up sh*t to coax a greenlight subby.

the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.

srsly, how does one go through life just completely absent of any reading comprehension?

you don't just fill in the blanks with arbitrary info.


February 19, 2014, when ice covered 80.3 percent of the lakes


Yeah, I was wondering about that.  As someone who lives on the southern Lake Michigan coast, we've been pretty much ice-free here for weeks, whereas the image on the site still shows plenty of ice along the coast.  I'd wager that image is from at least a month ago.
 
2014-04-16 08:16:01 AM

Semantic Warrior: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: ghostfacekillahrabbit: There was an anti-climate change letter published in the Milwaukee paper today, on the shore of Lake Michigan that claimed that melting ice can't raise water levels.

I assume Wisconsin is working on a law to make rising water levels illegal.

Well if you know anything about south eastern counties that rely on Milwaukee to pump them water from the lake (the whole continental divide thing) you'd think that was the case.

Also, the whole issue of climate change isn't refuted by a long ice blanketed winter, the fact that we're having triple digit summers and then six month long winters - extremes with very short transitional falls and springs, should be more alarming than it just getting too warm.


I was at a conference last week and attended a round table on how climate change will affect the Great Lakes region.

We're trending towards monsoonal-type of precipitation and shorter transitions as you said. Less-frequent but more intense rain and snow events will mean more fluctuation in lake levels.

I've noticed an increase in intense wind events in summer months, which make for 20+' waves out on Lake Michigan.
 
2014-04-16 08:17:47 AM
Oh, and hello neighbor (Fast Moon).
 
2014-04-16 08:29:34 AM
Here's a link to how the ice looked yesterday. All the free floating ice in L. Superior has been pushed up against the UP because of steady northerly winds the last few days.
 
2014-04-16 08:33:32 AM

brantgoose: The thing about global warming, the thing that really matters is, the key thing to remember, is that it's GLOBAL!

This is local news, Bubba. Go tell it to Joe Biden and see if he thinks it's a BFD.

 I am glad to see that the Great Lakes water levels are being boosted back towards normal. Decades of decline have severely harmed wildlife, cottagers and shipping. If we can get one of these hard winters every once in a while from the polar vortex, it may build some resiliency into the system.

I doubt that this cold snap will alter the 37 year run of above base-line global average temperatures. It's just a blip in the regional, not the world, climate.

As Stéphane Mallarmé put it, a throw of the dice will never abolish chance. Weather does not refute climate, nor does regional climate nor natural variation refute the anthropogenic effect. It might wash it out temporarily but when our population jumped from one billion to over seven billion that one time, it changed the world and our relation to it.

For one thing, many ecologists believe that a human population of one billion is sustainable in the long run, while seven billion living like Americans or Canadians is not sustainable and uses more resources than the Earth can produce. We are eating up the capital of Life on Earth along with the interest and getting fatter and stupider by the mouthful.


And yet, during reports of the heat wave and drought in Australia four months ago, you were asking if it's okay to start killing deniers for the people they're starving to death yet.

/apparently weather is equivalent to climate when it's unusually hot
//but please, tell us again how we could save the world by executing the Hunts, Coors, and Kochs
 
2014-04-16 08:33:43 AM

some_beer_drinker: Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.

why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.


Maybe not all day.  At least until sundown.
 
2014-04-16 08:37:01 AM

SevenizGud: Yeah, but this is just one part of the world. It doesn't indicate that temperatures are not going up worldwide on average. Just take a look at this graph of the last 200 months from the, you know, scientific data gathering units worldwide:

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]

Errrrrmm, what I meant to say was that this ice doesn't mean that we're seeing historic loss of ice worldwide. I mean, if you look at global sea ice anomaly, for example, then you see this:

[arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu image 512x412]

Uhm, what I was trying to say is, errrmmm, durrrrrp herrrrrrrppppp the sky is falling. The sky is falling.


Why is it so hard for you to understand "the earth" is not just "the atmosphere"?
 
2014-04-16 08:38:25 AM

JohnCarter: [andrewromanblog.files.wordpress.com image 410x308]


They should have named it after its effects rather than the causes, because people don't seem to get it. "Global Weirding" is a far more accurate description of what we'll see.
 
2014-04-16 08:38:44 AM

robohobo: calbert: "This is what the Great Lakes looked like one week ago."

way to just make up sh*t to coax a greenlight subby.

the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.

srsly, how does one go through life just completely absent of any reading comprehension?

you don't just fill in the blanks with arbitrary info.


February 19, 2014, when ice covered 80.3 percent of the lakes


You said it yourself. It got him a green. Also, he could have an agenda re:the climate.


I think that suggesting that a person has some sort of pro-climate change agenda suggests that one is a denier, or a racist, or something.  So much name calling it can be hard to keep it all straight.
 
2014-04-16 08:42:52 AM
Good Lakes or Great Lakes?
 
2014-04-16 08:43:55 AM
Nice to see the first couple of posts which mention global warming being full of American self-centeredness. Here in Holland autumn gave winter a miss and went straight on into spring.
 
2014-04-16 08:46:38 AM

brantgoose: The thing about global warming, the thing that really matters is, the key thing to remember, is that it's GLOBAL!

This is local news, Bubba. Go tell it to Joe Biden and see if he thinks it's a BFD.

 I am glad to see that the Great Lakes water levels are being boosted back towards normal. Decades of decline have severely harmed wildlife, cottagers and shipping. If we can get one of these hard winters every once in a while from the polar vortex, it may build some resiliency into the system.

I doubt that this cold snap will alter the 37 year run of above base-line global average temperatures. It's just a blip in the regional, not the world, climate.

As Stéphane Mallarmé put it, a throw of the dice will never abolish chance. Weather does not refute climate, nor does regional climate nor natural variation refute the anthropogenic effect. It might wash it out temporarily but when our population jumped from one billion to over seven billion that one time, it changed the world and our relation to it.

For one thing, many ecologists believe that a human population of one billion is sustainable in the long run, while seven billion living like Americans or Canadians is not sustainable and uses more resources than the Earth can produce. We are eating up the capital of Life on Earth along with the interest and getting fatter and stupider by the mouthful.


I'm not going back to living in a tee-pee because the Earth's climate can't sustain billions and billions of people. If the smog overwhelms the cities, call the engineers to develop atmospheric scrubbers. If the oceans rise and flood out the coastal cities, call in the naval architects to build boats (big boats). If the fresh water reservoirs dry up because of droughts, call in the nuclear scientists to build desalinization plants. If the Earth jukes, humans should jive.
 
2014-04-16 08:46:55 AM
The price of steel will go up 1.5% causing some asshole CEO's stock price to drop 4%?  I feel really bad about this.
 
2014-04-16 08:48:17 AM
Claiming this is due to climate change, with zero proof or evidence when it can very easily simply be a natural effect of nature, is doing a disservice to environmental efforts.  Could it be related to climate change, sure.  Is it?  No one knows.
 
2014-04-16 08:51:55 AM
I'm not going back to living in a tee-pee because the Earth's climate can't sustain billions and billions of people. If the smog overwhelms the cities, call the engineers to develop atmospheric scrubbers. If the oceans rise and flood out the coastal cities, call in the naval architects to build boats (big boats). If the fresh water reservoirs dry up because of droughts, call in the nuclear scientists to build desalinization plants. If the Earth jukes, humans should jive.

That is not sufficiently alarmist to get someone to pay you money for carbon credits or funding so you can "research" for a couple more years.  I suggest you try again if you don't want to have to go get a real job.
 
2014-04-16 08:55:12 AM
I am really happy they will be able to rent out the 100 expensive boat slips this year. This will be a big shot in the arm to the economy.
 
2014-04-16 09:00:39 AM
The day I believed in AGW is the day I walked into an old woman's house in the middle of summer and she had the furnace cranked up to full blast, the refrigerator door wide open, enough food in the oven to feed a platoon of hungry soldiers, twenty live cats, six dead cats, a carnivorous parakeet, and a broad arrangement of gas-powered and suggestively-sculpted stimulation devices pistoning wildly in her boudoir.

Those old, people, I tell you. They are like Nero. They got theirs, and they want the world to burn while they go out in an erotic blaze of glory.
 
2014-04-16 09:01:04 AM

Weatherkiss: phaseolus: Shipments of iron ore from the northern reaches of Minnesota were so low that the U.S. Steel plant in Gary, Indiana had to scale back production significantly in early April.

America still has a steel industry? And that there's actually still a steel plant in Gary, Indiana? That's bigger news to me than water being frozen.


Amazing, I know.  I drove by there about 10 years ago, and all those steel plants are still there.  They are owned by Japanese, Koreans and European companies though.
 
2014-04-16 09:04:00 AM
MJMaloney187: I'm not going back to living in a tee-pee because the Earth's climate can't sustain billions and billions of people. If the smog overwhelms the cities, call the engineers to develop atmospheric scrubbers. If the oceans rise and flood out the coastal cities, call in the naval architects to build boats (big boats). If the fresh water reservoirs dry up because of droughts, call in the nuclear scientists to build desalinization plants. If the Earth jukes, humans should jive.

Humans as a whole will undoubtedly survive. But there will be turmoil as populations are forced to move around due to changing levels of precipitation and such, especially in under-developed nations. And huge areas in the northern hemisphere could become less habitable, affecting food production and a changing population. We've already seen what happens when the jet stream is disrupted and Arctic air lingers over the United States. It will be much, much worse for Great Britain and Europe if the Gulf Stream is disrupted.

/as an aside those a-holes crudding up the air in China may have something to do with the recent winter weather. The air particles there affect precipitation in the Pacific which in turn affects the northern hemisphere as it works its way eastward.
 
2014-04-16 09:04:27 AM
In other news, Wisconsin has ICE CAVES!!!!!

/wow, cool.
 
2014-04-16 09:11:40 AM
OMG! What can we do?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


/always thought it was "The Rectum of Edmund Fitzgerald"
 
2014-04-16 09:32:28 AM

Feepit: The day I believed in AGW is the day I walked into an old woman's house in the middle of summer and she had the furnace cranked up to full blast, the refrigerator door wide open, enough food in the oven to feed a platoon of hungry soldiers, twenty live cats, six dead cats, a carnivorous parakeet, and a broad arrangement of gas-powered and suggestively-sculpted stimulation devices pistoning wildly in her boudoir.

Those old, people, I tell you. They are like Nero. They got theirs, and they want the world to burn while they go out in an erotic blaze of glory.


If you think that's erotic, you have issues.
 
2014-04-16 09:34:33 AM
Politicians lie.
Global-anything is politics.

/good luck
 
2014-04-16 09:36:38 AM
I know it's Fark, but could you all just shut the fark up for one thread and be interested in nature?
 
2014-04-16 09:38:48 AM

MaliFinn: I know it's Fark, but could you all just shut the fark up for one thread and be interested in nature?


WHY DO YOU WANT TO SILENCE DISSENT?!
 
2014-04-16 09:40:31 AM

SevenizGud: Yeah, but this is just one part of the world. It doesn't indicate that temperatures are not going up worldwide on average. Just take a look at this graph of the last 200 months from the, you know, scientific data gathering units worldwide:

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]

Errrrrmm, what I meant to say was that this ice doesn't mean that we're seeing historic loss of ice worldwide. I mean, if you look at global sea ice anomaly, for example, then you see this:

[arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu image 512x412]

Uhm, what I was trying to say is, errrmmm, durrrrrp herrrrrrrppppp the sky is falling. The sky is falling.


Do you have an email alert to let you know there is a climate change thread you need to post the same stupid graph in every time?

If you're so convinced climate change is a hoax, why do you even give a shiat? Who do you think you're going to convince?

Hell, I believe it's real and I don't give a shiat. Rich people own land on the coast. Poor people can build another mud hut, a little higher up. Everyone who refuses to move? Let 'em drown.
 
2014-04-16 09:40:32 AM

Fast Moon: calbert: "This is what the Great Lakes looked like one week ago."

way to just make up sh*t to coax a greenlight subby.

the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.

srsly, how does one go through life just completely absent of any reading comprehension?

you don't just fill in the blanks with arbitrary info.


February 19, 2014, when ice covered 80.3 percent of the lakes

Yeah, I was wondering about that.  As someone who lives on the southern Lake Michigan coast, we've been pretty much ice-free here for weeks, whereas the image on the site still shows plenty of ice along the coast.  I'd wager that image is from at least a month ago.


Well, also the image appears to still have the whole area covered under snow.  I don't know about you, but I've been enjoying the lack of snow for a while now.
 
2014-04-16 09:43:50 AM

ski9600: They are owned by Japanese, Koreans and European companies though.


I think Arcelor Mittal (Luxembourg, technically, but owned by an Indian living in England) owns most of the old Inland Steel and LTV/J&L/YS&T mills up there, now.

Onkel Buck: Site for freighter watchers boatnerd.com


I read that site's news page every day. Couple years ago when ex-wife kicked me out and I got a new place to live, I saw a big ol' boat1 tied up a couple blocks away and thought "holy shiat, that thing's kinda cool"... and that's how it all started.

1. It was the St. Mary's Challenger. RIP...
 
2014-04-16 09:44:36 AM

vbob: Politicians lie.
Global-anything is politics.

/good luck


That's why you should listen to scientists.
Or else just do the compilation of data yourself.
But it's easier to just say "politicians lie" and just keep on being stupid.
So to you, everything is a lie.
 
2014-04-16 09:49:19 AM

UNC_Samurai: some_beer_drinker: Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.

why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.

Maybe not all day.  At least until sundown.


I vote Edmund Fitzgerald all day.

3.bp.blogspot.com

/hot
 
2014-04-16 09:51:52 AM
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2014-04-16 09:53:04 AM

SevenizGud: errrmmm, durrrrrp herrrrrrrppppp


Isn't that all you ever do?
 
2014-04-16 09:58:52 AM
Dear deniers:  Cold is due to warming.  If you dont believe this do a simple experiment.  Turn your oven on (warming).  Put a frozen dinner in (normal cold).  Wait an hour and take it out.  You will see clearly that the frozen dinner is now even colder (warming causes cold).  Science is repeatable.
 
2014-04-16 10:00:08 AM

fredklein: calbert: the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.

Well, this graphic does have a date: 4/10/14, or... a little less than a week ago.

[cdn.theatlanticcities.com image 850x664]

Technically, it's not a 'picture', though.


Not to mention the graph doesn't match up with the picture (given that the picture was taken on Feb 19th while the graph was from Apr 10). Here is the analysis from yesterday - down to 39% ice cover.

coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov
 
2014-04-16 10:03:53 AM

LostInTranslation: In other news, Wisconsin has ICE CAVES!!!!!

/wow, cool.


Friends of mine visited over the winter and the pics are amazing. Hopefully i can visit this xmas when I head back for the holidays. I'm heading back in August so there's only a 50-50 chance they will be there at that time.

/don't miss WI winter
//bring on beach weather
 
2014-04-16 10:04:04 AM
There is a reference page with CURRENT UNFILTERED NOAA data on the Great Lakes,
but it's on the heretic's website.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/great-lakes- ic e-page/
 
2014-04-16 10:11:37 AM
I find it interesting the way these threads often seem to go. The anti-science crowd rush in, post their derp, rant about Al Gore while insisting that their motivations are not political, etc. SevenizGud continues to show his dishonesty by posting his cherry picked graph from the out-of-date HADCRUT 3 dataset (version 4 has been out for over 2 years now).

Then the pro-science people show up and begin the debunking process using data with actual labels on the graphs and proper citations of sources. The bulk of the anti-science crowd fades leaving only the truly hardcore deniers.

In the old days, the thread would close out with walls of green lies but, thankfully, that seems to have faded away. Guess he's not getting a paycheck anymore.
 
2014-04-16 10:13:52 AM

SVenus: There is a reference page with CURRENT UNFILTERED NOAA data on the Great Lakes,
but it's on the heretic's website.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/great-lakes- ic e-page/


Yes. Let's get our science from a former weatherman who couldn't even finish an undergraduate degree. He's a better source for science than all those PhD's working and publishing in the field!
 
2014-04-16 10:17:43 AM

Farking Canuck: Yes. Let's get our science from a former weatherman who couldn't even finish an undergraduate degree. He's a better source for science than all those PhD's working and publishing in the field!


Please point us to a page where a PhD has posted current NOAA data on the Great Lakes-- unless they're too busy working and publishing in the field.
 
2014-04-16 10:17:50 AM

ghostfacekillahrabbit: There was an anti-climate change letter published in the Milwaukee paper today, on the shore of Lake Michigan that claimed that melting ice can't raise water levels.


Well, that depends.  If the ice is all floating in water, then it melting will not raise water levels (since ice is less dense than water, and the the ice will displace an amount of water equal to its mass).

If the ice that is melting is sitting on land, then yes, it will raise water levels.
 
2014-04-16 10:20:03 AM

GORDON: I'm not going back to living in a tee-pee because the Earth's climate can't sustain billions and billions of people. If the smog overwhelms the cities, call the engineers to develop atmospheric scrubbers. If the oceans rise and flood out the coastal cities, call in the naval architects to build boats (big boats). If the fresh water reservoirs dry up because of droughts, call in the nuclear scientists to build desalinization plants. If the Earth jukes, humans should jive.

That is not sufficiently alarmist to get someone to pay you money for carbon credits or funding so you can "research" for a couple more years.  I suggest you try again if you don't want to have to go get a real job.


What's sad is that there are still lots of twenty-somethings in the US that would love to have a "real job." They can't get one, though, because employers aren't willing to pay minimum wage for the NEET jobs they could get a start in, mostly because the cost would run them out of business. Instead they have to hire illegal immigrants to do these jobs while staying in business, and hope none of the illegals are willing to risk deportation to get the employer in trouble for the sub-minimum wages being paid.

/eventually they get shut down and the employers arrested, because someone in the IRS notices something weird about the wages and employee counts
//the illegals go home to be relatively wealthy, and the rest of the US gets another lesson in what happens when you try to leave the plantation
///only the big businesses like Wal-Mart and FoxConn can stay in business, mostly by being able to move all their NEET jobs overseas
 
2014-04-16 10:22:50 AM

SVenus: Farking Canuck: Yes. Let's get our science from a former weatherman who couldn't even finish an undergraduate degree. He's a better source for science than all those PhD's working and publishing in the field!

Please point us to a page where a PhD has posted current NOAA data on the Great Lakes-- unless they're too busy working and publishing in the field.


http://www.noaa.gov/
 
2014-04-16 10:23:20 AM

Itstoearly: Well, that depends.  If the ice is all floating in water, then it melting will not raise water levels (since ice is less dense than water, and the the ice will displace an amount of water equal to its mass).

If the ice that is melting is sitting on land, then yes, it will raise water levels.


Sorry, but Al Gore has proven with his scientific experiment that ALL ice, both floating and on land, will raise sea levels.

/yes, his experiment only modeled the ice on land
//but he was right about that, and that automatically means he's right about everything
///whereas other scientific disciplines have no right to pretend they know anything about climatology, climatologists have the authority to be right about everything
 
2014-04-16 10:25:19 AM
img2.wikia.nocookie.net

Haz de lahst laugh
 
2014-04-16 10:30:55 AM

SVenus: Farking Canuck: Yes. Let's get our science from a former weatherman who couldn't even finish an undergraduate degree. He's a better source for science than all those PhD's working and publishing in the field!

Please point us to a page where a PhD has posted current NOAA data on the Great Lakes-- unless they're too busy working and publishing in the field.


Do you think this engineering drop-out collected or analyzed any of that data? Who do you think did all that work?

I will give him credit for pulling all of them together but he has been proven to intentionally distort the work of real scientists many times in the past. If I was to use any of the data he presents I would go to the actual sources, i.e. the aforementioned real scientists, and not take the chance that he has altered or otherwise misrepresented the data.

It is the only way to know you are not being manipulated by politically motivated, unqualified bloggers.
 
2014-04-16 10:34:22 AM

Tatterdemalian: Itstoearly: Well, that depends.  If the ice is all floating in water, then it melting will not raise water levels (since ice is less dense than water, and the the ice will displace an amount of water equal to its mass).

If the ice that is melting is sitting on land, then yes, it will raise water levels.

Sorry, but Al Gore has proven with his scientific experiment that ALL ice, both floating and on land, will raise sea levels.

/yes, his experiment only modeled the ice on land
//but he was right about that, and that automatically means he's right about everything
///whereas other scientific disciplines have no right to pretend they know anything about climatology, climatologists have the authority to be right about everything


A simple experiment will demonstrate why Al "praise be upon him" Gore is right.  Take a glass of soda and ice. fill it right to the rim. (ice in the lake).  Set it in the hot summer sun.(warming).  Watch it overflow onto the table. (metaphor for humanity if we dot pay carbon tax.  Science is repeatable.
 
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