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(The Atlantic Cities)   This is what the Great Lakes looked like one week ago. And here's why it's a big deal   (theatlanticcities.com) divider line 178
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2014-04-15 09:22:50 PM  
because it's still frozen, and holding up commerce? have a nice steaming cup of shut the fark up. thanks
 
2014-04-15 09:58:11 PM  
Shipments of iron ore from the northern reaches of Minnesota were so low that the U.S. Steel plant in Gary, Indiana had to scale back production significantly in early April.


I read somewhere that the steel industry is something like 3% of the U.S. GDP and pretty much all the plants located on the Great Lakes are out of ore due to the early freeze-up and late start to the shipping season, so this is potentially kind of a big deal for the U.S. economy. Latest news is the ice is finally breaking up on Lake Superior, the Port of Duluth's open, freighters are finally starting to move through the Soo Locks and won't be needing icebreaker escorts for much longer.


Shippers may be hurting now, but higher lake levels will allow them to load more cargo per boat later this year, according to the Chicago Tribune. These higher water lines also mean that those who manage the Great Lakes' harbors won't have to invest huge sums of money in dredging out the bottom. Ships will carry more, at less of a cost, once the ice melts.


True about the freighters being able to carry more immediately, but the money for lots of harbor dredging projects has already been budgeted for this year.
 
2014-04-16 12:49:51 AM  
"This is what the Great Lakes looked like one week ago."

way to just make up sh*t to coax a greenlight subby.

the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.

srsly, how does one go through life just completely absent of any reading comprehension?

you don't just fill in the blanks with arbitrary info.


February 19, 2014, when ice covered 80.3 percent of the lakes
 
2014-04-16 01:56:10 AM  
Maybe we should work on cooling the Earth some more so we can deal with commerce disruptions like this every year.

I'm joking, of course. Warmer weather should keep those lanes open longer, year round.
 
2014-04-16 03:26:39 AM  
Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.
 
2014-04-16 04:30:45 AM  

i1.kym-cdn.com

 
2014-04-16 05:08:20 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.


why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.
 
2014-04-16 05:08:31 AM  
I don't do graphs, subby
 
2014-04-16 05:09:36 AM  

calbert: "This is what the Great Lakes looked like one week ago."

way to just make up sh*t to coax a greenlight subby.

the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.

srsly, how does one go through life just completely absent of any reading comprehension?

you don't just fill in the blanks with arbitrary info.


February 19, 2014, when ice covered 80.3 percent of the lakes



You said it yourself. It got him a green. Also, he could have an agenda re:the climate.
 
2014-04-16 05:11:28 AM  

phaseolus: Shipments of iron ore from the northern reaches of Minnesota were so low that the U.S. Steel plant in Gary, Indiana had to scale back production significantly in early April.


America still has a steel industry? And that there's actually still a steel plant in Gary, Indiana? That's bigger news to me than water being frozen.
 
Skr
2014-04-16 05:16:18 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.


Vacationed through the Upper Penni of Michigan a few times. The trips were an excellent way for me to start hating Gordon Lightfoot. That stuff gets milked dry in gift shops.



The small bleep of 60-80 degree weather last week was the ticket to breaking up some of the water feeding Superior. 'Course winter decided to biatch slap the area again this week



Ice breaking up at Gooseberry Falls, Lake Superior
 
2014-04-16 05:17:07 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.

why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.


I think playing "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is close enough to being an all day Gordon Lightfoot day in and of itself.

/long ass song
 
2014-04-16 05:27:41 AM  
So global warming is good now?
 
2014-04-16 05:29:07 AM  

Major Ethanolic: So global warming is good now?


Not if it means more Gordon Lightfoot.
 
2014-04-16 05:29:21 AM  

Yes this is dog: some_beer_drinker: Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.

why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.

I think playing "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is close enough to being an all day Gordon Lightfoot day in and of itself.

/long ass song


maybe you will like this one better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPXL3iEVnCM
 
2014-04-16 05:29:38 AM  
This does not correlate well with spasmodic assertions of global warming I mean climate change. Therefore this thread will not draw the FECKLESS crowd and is thus rendered irrelevant.
 
2014-04-16 05:33:50 AM  

Friction8r: This does not correlate well with spasmodic assertions of global warming I mean climate change. Therefore this thread will not draw the FECKLESS crowd and is thus rendered irrelevant.


You wear your stupidity like a badge I see.

Climate change doesn't just mean warmer everywhere all the time. But don't let the science get in the way of your blind assertions.
 
2014-04-16 05:38:31 AM  
There was an anti-climate change letter published in the Milwaukee paper today, on the shore of Lake Michigan that claimed that melting ice can't raise water levels.
 
2014-04-16 05:40:24 AM  
This could put a damper on steelhead fishing this weekend./ Going steelhead fishing this weekend
 
2014-04-16 05:40:25 AM  
Yeah, but this is just one part of the world. It doesn't indicate that temperatures are not going up worldwide on average. Just take a look at this graph of the last 200 months from the, you know, scientific data gathering units worldwide:

www.woodfortrees.org

Errrrrmm, what I meant to say was that this ice doesn't mean that we're seeing historic loss of ice worldwide. I mean, if you look at global sea ice anomaly, for example, then you see this:

arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu

Uhm, what I was trying to say is, errrmmm, durrrrrp herrrrrrrppppp the sky is falling. The sky is falling.
 
2014-04-16 05:43:30 AM  
The Great Lakes need more electrolytes.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-16 05:49:17 AM  

Weatherkiss: phaseolus: Shipments of iron ore from the northern reaches of Minnesota were so low that the U.S. Steel plant in Gary, Indiana had to scale back production significantly in early April.

America still has a steel industry? And that there's actually still a steel plant in Gary, Indiana? That's bigger news to me than water being frozen.


We have quite a few steel mills in NW Indiana. My company does a lot of work for them.
 
2014-04-16 05:50:04 AM  

Major Ethanolic: So global warming is good now?


I am sure some Al Gore worshiper will claim Global Warming Derp caused Great Lakes to freeze over
 
2014-04-16 05:51:10 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Yes this is dog: some_beer_drinker: Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.

why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.

I think playing "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is close enough to being an all day Gordon Lightfoot day in and of itself.

/long ass song

maybe you will like this one better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPXL3iEVnCM


Cannot youtube at work, but I don't have a general hatred of Lightfoot (there is one song that rather enjoy, can't remember name right now), but Edmund Fitzgerald goes on far too long. He could have described the sinking in real time and it would be shorter.
 
2014-04-16 05:53:06 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: There was an anti-climate change letter published in the Milwaukee paper today, on the shore of Lake Michigan that claimed that melting ice can't raise water levels.


I assume Wisconsin is working on a law to make rising water levels illegal.
 
2014-04-16 05:53:22 AM  

wesmon: Friction8r: This does not correlate well with spasmodic assertions of global warming I mean climate change. Therefore this thread will not draw the FECKLESS crowd and is thus rendered irrelevant.

You wear your stupidity like a badge I see.

Climate change doesn't just mean warmer everywhere all the time. But don't let the science get in the way of your blind assertions.


Global Warming Derp...calling Al Gore...need more Hockey Stick....oh wait...it's now Climate Change
 
2014-04-16 06:01:11 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: wesmon: Friction8r: This does not correlate well with spasmodic assertions of global warming I mean climate change. Therefore this thread will not draw the FECKLESS crowd and is thus rendered irrelevant.

You wear your stupidity like a badge I see.

Climate change doesn't just mean warmer everywhere all the time. But don't let the science get in the way of your blind assertions.

Global Warming Derp...calling Al Gore...need more Hockey Stick....oh wait...it's now Climate Change


With a reasoned and intelligent argument like that you could only have come from Orlando.
 
2014-04-16 06:01:43 AM  
I'm dreaming of a White Easter.
 
2014-04-16 06:02:38 AM  
Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .
 
2014-04-16 06:03:42 AM  
There's thick, then there's Indiana thick.  When are they gonna tear down that ship?  I was there yesterday, buying test equipment offa Craig's.  They have this lame-ass promotion something like 'Indy works' and 'Illinoyed' or something.  I've seen the werks.  Judging from their sense of architecture, I wonder if these people think their is any aspect to existence aside from bulk commodity production?  It's like they have a group neurosis:  Nobody's gonna like us for who we are, better sell 'em (mineral) coke.

They are so incredibly butch!  Here they live by a place that is and has been cleaning up by attracting international corporatism mostly by featuring some aesthetic relief from the Midwest, and they act like out China-ing China is the way to go for them. . .go figure!  They will, however, flip ya firecrackers.  Don't fall for the sale bin of fuses, however, they'll take your name.
 
2014-04-16 06:13:58 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: ghostfacekillahrabbit: There was an anti-climate change letter published in the Milwaukee paper today, on the shore of Lake Michigan that claimed that melting ice can't raise water levels.

I assume Wisconsin is working on a law to make rising water levels illegal.


Well if you know anything about south eastern counties that rely on Milwaukee to pump them water from the lake (the whole continental divide thing) you'd think that was the case.

Also, the whole issue of climate change isn't refuted by a long ice blanketed winter, the fact that we're having triple digit summers and then six month long winters - extremes with very short transitional falls and springs, should be more alarming than it just getting too warm.
 
2014-04-16 06:22:46 AM  
On the very bright side, Great Lake water levels are up. That's an awesome good thing. Thank you, Mother Nature. The article notes that a drier than normal spring and summer season could undo the gains. HORSE HOCKEY!! I don't get why some people love to be miserable and look forward to being miserable.
 
2014-04-16 06:26:21 AM  

MJMaloney187: On the very bright side, Great Lake water levels are up. That's an awesome good thing. Thank you, Mother Nature. The article notes that a drier than normal spring and summer season could undo the gains. HORSE HOCKEY!! I don't get why some people love to be miserable and look forward to being miserable.


Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
 
2014-04-16 06:26:47 AM  

aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .


That's true. But Nate and Zac have a plan ...
 
2014-04-16 06:33:27 AM  

aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .


Word. We need to eradicate those bastards even if it means farming then and selling them to China. Or learning to process and eat them at McDonald's. Furious breeders. ..
 
2014-04-16 06:33:56 AM  

aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .


That's racist.

http://frenchtribune.com/teneur/1422126-lawmakers-considering-name-c ha nge-asian-carp-minnesota

The new, agreed upon name is invasive carp.
 
2014-04-16 06:37:39 AM  

wesmon: aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .

That's racist.

http://frenchtribune.com/teneur/1422126-lawmakers-considering-name-c ha nge-asian-carp-minnesota

The new, agreed upon name is invasive carp.


Lulz! Holy fark, that's hilarious! Whole new level of bullshiat.

/I suggest 'ching chong carp'
 
2014-04-16 06:39:22 AM  
This is called nature, it happens, climate change or not.
 
2014-04-16 06:39:25 AM  

wesmon: aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .

That's racist.

http://frenchtribune.com/teneur/1422126-lawmakers-considering-name-c ha nge-asian-carp-minnesota

The new, agreed upon name is invasive carp.


OMG. Fine then...WesMON is racist because it refers to Jamaicans mon and they is black mon.
 
2014-04-16 06:41:47 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: Global Warming Derp...calling Al Gore...need more Hockey Stick....oh wait...it's now Climate Change


You know how young-Earth creationists and anti-vaxxers sound completely and utterly stupid to all other rational people?  Yeah...welcome to the list.

Do you guys try to sound like idiots, or does it just come naturally?
 
2014-04-16 06:41:57 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Darth_Lukecash: Unfortunately, it will not reduce the number of times "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald  " is played on the Classic Rock stations.

why on earth would you want to reduce that? they should have all day gordon lightfoot days.


Gordon?
 
2014-04-16 06:42:37 AM  

robohobo: wesmon: aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .

That's racist.

http://frenchtribune.com/teneur/1422126-lawmakers-considering-name-c ha nge-asian-carp-minnesota

The new, agreed upon name is invasive carp.

Lulz! Holy fark, that's hilarious! Whole new level of bullshiat.

/I suggest 'ching chong carp'


Yeah, I got a good laugh out of that too.

What I don't understand is where the carp came from. Growing up in Wisconsin they always said it was the French who brought em over centuries ago cause they liked to eat em. But the articles I read say they were introduced in the south and migrated up to the Midwest.
 
2014-04-16 06:55:31 AM  

wesmon: robohobo: wesmon: aNihilV10L8tr: Asian carp is a more dangerous threat to the great lakes than the water staying cold a few weeks longer than average .

That's racist.

http://frenchtribune.com/teneur/1422126-lawmakers-considering-name-c ha nge-asian-carp-minnesota

The new, agreed upon name is invasive carp.

Lulz! Holy fark, that's hilarious! Whole new level of bullshiat.

/I suggest 'ching chong carp'

Yeah, I got a good laugh out of that too.

What I don't understand is where the carp came from. Growing up in Wisconsin they always said it was the French who brought em over centuries ago cause they liked to eat em. But the articles I read say they were introduced in the south and migrated up to the Midwest.


Well, it all started when this guy showed up at a museum...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-16 07:10:22 AM  
i26.photobucket.com
My hometown Port Huron, MI

i26.photobucket.com
Escanaba, MI

i26.photobucket.com


Site for freighter watchers boatnerd.com
 
2014-04-16 07:22:35 AM  

calbert: the photo isn't captioned at all, and there's no mention anywhere in the article that that photo is from 'one week ago'.


Well, this graphic does have a date: 4/10/14, or... a little less than a week ago.

cdn.theatlanticcities.com

Technically, it's not a 'picture', though.
 
2014-04-16 07:32:06 AM  
A great article about CLIMATE CHANGE. Let goddamn Fox News use global warming incorrectly farkers.

Great article
 
2014-04-16 07:33:58 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: There was an anti-climate change letter published in the Milwaukee paper today, on the shore of Lake Michigan that claimed that melting ice can't raise water levels.


The ice on the lakes will result in higher water levels, but not because of melts... it's because the ice prevented a lot of evaporation this past winter. The winter's record accumulation of snow certainly helps in a direct manner, but mother nature is the greatest thief of water, and it is cheated when there is ice cover.

Overzealous people who blindly parrot the climate change political line, as well as those who parrot the deniers don't seem to understand the dynamics involved.

Likewise... sea ice loss means more sea water is evaporated and recycled into rain (which is nature's desalination machine).

It's amazing how resilient our biosphere really is.
 
2014-04-16 07:38:01 AM  

SevenizGud: Just take a look at this graph of the last 200 months from the, you know, scientific data gathering units worldwide


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-16 07:46:36 AM  
I believe, now gimme the grant money.
 
2014-04-16 07:48:28 AM  

wesmon: What I don't understand is where the carp came from. Growing up in Wisconsin they always said it was the French who brought em over centuries ago cause they liked to eat em. But the articles I read say they were introduced in the south and migrated up to the Midwest.


Evidently they didn't like to eat them quite enough. The story I often hear about various invasive species is that they were introduced because someone wanted to eat them. Great plans, no follow through apparently. Anything that is actually good for eating tends not to get the chance to be "invasive".

/ ching chong carp
// lol
 
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