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2014-04-16 03:30:54 AM  
8 votes:
The megabank HSBC gets caught blatantly laundering hundreds of millions of dolalrs for the Sinaloa cartel, one of the most bloody of Mexican drug gangs. No one is even prosecuted.


A sister and brother in Missouri get busted with a few plants. Several years in prison.

Yeah, this is the United States I have come to expect. Different laws for different classes of people.
2014-04-16 04:10:21 AM  
4 votes:

PreMortem: Judge in question:
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Seriously hope they get some kind of favorable ruling in appeal, if it can be appealed.


I don't think you can appeal your own guilty plea.

That judge is an idiot, out to prove a point. Said he was perfectly happy to give them 120 days each until he got pissed off at their lawyer, then took it out on them.

Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I can't seem to find where the prosecution had to prove its case (missing evidence, no warrant to enter for initial search)... but the defendants certainly had to prove their innocence. Pretty sure that's ass-backwards. The judge and every LEO involved should be fired and barred from having anything to do with anything remotely resembling law enforcement (and that includes rent-a-cop) ever again.
2014-04-16 09:58:08 PM  
2 votes:
That's seriously messed up that their lives are ruined while someone doing the same thing in my state just makes money and spends it on goods and services.

This is America, Americans should and need to DEMAND FULL cannabis amnesty for all 50 states and territories.    What's right is right. Why should they suffer? Fark, (and I mean that in every way) it's plain stupid and cruel, especially cruel, that anyone in the other 48 (behind the times) states would be subjected to such despicable treatment in a so-called free country.

We need full cannabis/marijuanahash/hemp amnesty or else we're not being honest.

I appreciate living in a state that enjoys special rulings, but the federal government, or at least the State of Missouri needs to look deep into its heart, and ask itself: "Is this what we want to be known for? Is this the course of action that truly benefits society? "

Stories like these are horror shows.

Let them go, or don't call yourself Americans.

/sympathy puff
2014-04-16 09:21:06 AM  
2 votes:
And this is why DnD should always retain the Lawful Evil alignment.
2014-04-16 08:05:01 AM  
2 votes:
Protip:
when the prosecutor offers to recommend a lighter sentence for a plea bargain, tell him to go fark himself. Demand a reduction in charges in return for a guilty plea. Otherwise the prosecutor has sold you something that he can't actually guarantee - once it goes to the judge, the judge can do whatever the fark he wants to and you have little to no recourse for appeal.
2014-04-16 07:57:52 AM  
2 votes:

wesmon: The megabank HSBC gets caught blatantly laundering hundreds of millions of dolalrs for the Sinaloa cartel, one of the most bloody of Mexican drug gangs. No one is even prosecuted.


A sister and brother in Missouri get busted with a few plants. Several years in prison.

Yeah, this is the United States I have come to expect. Different laws for different classes of people.


Matt Taibbi gave a great interview yesterday that brought out this point:

MATT TAIBBI: So, HSBC, again, this is one of the world's largest banks. It's Europe's largest bank. And a few years ago, they got caught, swept up for a variety of offenses, money-laundering offenses. But one of them involved admitting that they had laundered $850 million for a pair-for two drug cartels, one in Mexico and one in South America, and including the notorious Sinaloa drug cartel in Mexico that is suspected in thousands of murders.

And in that case, they paid a fine; they paid a $1.9 billion fine. And some of the executives had to defer their bonuses for a period of five years-not give them up, defer them. But there were no individual consequences for any of the executives. Nobody had to pull money out of their own pockets, and nobody did a single day in jail in that case.

And that, to me, was an incredibly striking case. I ran that very day to the courthouse here in New York, and I asked around to the public defenders, you know, "What's the dumbest drug case you had today?" And I found somebody who had been thrown in Rikers for 47 days for having a joint in his pocket.
2014-04-16 05:22:52 AM  
2 votes:
I think it's time Congress started going after these idiot judges and prosecuting attorneys.

Justice may be blind, but these folks throw stupid and vindictive into it. I guess they would have gotten lighter sentences if they had gone out and killed someone. Now, that's acceptable where having and growing the 'Evil Weed' is not.

Plus every time I read about a prosecutor with over a 98% conviction rate, I wonder how many innocents he managed to slam behind bars.

Not too long back, I read where a District Attorney was fighting DNA tests that said a guy he put away 20 years ago for murder was innocent. He was claiming the results didn't matter, they had the guys confession -- which he gave up after about 24 hours of 'questioning'. He even had a judge with him blocking efforts of the Innocence Project to free the man or get him a new trial.

Basically, he was covering his arse, since the inevitable multi-million dollar lawsuit against the city would not look good on his record.

Throwing those kids in prison was a serious miscarriage of justice. Both the Judge and the Prosecutor need to be brought before the disciplinary Committee of the Bar. As much as I hate lawyers, their disciplinary committee tends to be harsh on those who take too many liberties.
2014-04-16 04:09:38 AM  
2 votes:
Sounded like the judge was pissed at their lawyer and took it out on them.
2014-04-16 03:26:59 AM  
2 votes:
www.francescofrancavilla.com

No matter how dumb you think it is, what would you expect?
2014-04-16 02:03:18 PM  
1 votes:
Unless your a rich kid from Texas. Then you get sent to county club rehab. At taxpayer expense.
2014-04-16 01:47:05 PM  
1 votes:
This piece of sewage drove away and left her victim to die. She served 180 days in jail.

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Nestande-to-be-released-from-jail-Fri da y-224560321.html
2014-04-16 11:33:19 AM  
1 votes:

JRoo:


Man, I can never tell whether these are supposed to make me want to stay sober or smoke weed. Wild parties? Weird orgies? Unleashed passions? Sounds like a hell of a good time! The half-naked girls just seals the deal...
2014-04-16 11:32:02 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: I keep forgetting that cannabis is still illegal in most places.


Working at a resort here in CO, I gotta say, I didn't know how it would do... I had doubts about the whole "Amsterdam of America" thing... but I've met at least a few hundred people, just in my little clothing store, who were quite open about coming here for the weed, and choosing CO over UT or CA mountains just because of the legal pot... the extra weird thing is... it seems to be mostly people in their 40s and 50s who are  just matter-of-fact about it. Either way, revenue for my shop is up, and I welcome anything that draws more customers to the area.

//it was dumb to put people in jail for pot anyways.
///jail is NOT rehab
Oak
2014-04-16 10:08:56 AM  
1 votes:
Just keep voting for incumbents, folks.  Everything's fine, and even when it's not, it's the fault of those other peoples' incumbents, not yours.  Yours are great.  Really.
2014-04-16 09:47:47 AM  
1 votes:

nullptr: Oh no, a babby-killing, heat-seeking, anti-tank 15.75" short barreled rifle. The guy is lucky he didn't get the needle for that!


You know it was really 16 inches and they measured it wrong on purpose.  That's why most barrels are at lease a quarter inch over 16.
2014-04-16 09:24:34 AM  
1 votes:
Oh no, a babby-killing, heat-seeking, anti-tank 15.75" short barreled rifle. The guy is lucky he didn't get the needle for that!
2014-04-16 09:13:53 AM  
1 votes:

Bigdogdaddy: Hard to claim 20 pot plants is for personal use.


Probably true, but it depends on how they were growing them. If they had a grow area with a low ceiling, for example, they may have been keeping the flowering plants small and had more as a result. They may also have been growing autoflowers. They also may have had a separate area for reproduction, if they were trying to grow from seeds instead of cloning. And speaking of reproduction, they might have had a bunch of seedlings or clones around as well.
2014-04-16 08:41:16 AM  
1 votes:

Bigdogdaddy: Hard to claim 20 pot plants is for personal use


It's also hard to say they were selling if the cops didn't make any buys.

Land of the Free and all that.
2014-04-16 08:38:33 AM  
1 votes:

wesmon: The megabank HSBC gets caught blatantly laundering hundreds of millions of dolalrs for the Sinaloa cartel, one of the most bloody of Mexican drug gangs. No one is even prosecuted.


A sister and brother in Missouri get busted with a few plants. Several years in prison.

Yeah, this is the United States I have come to expect. Different laws for different classes of people.


^ This.  Drug laws are for little people.
2014-04-16 08:13:36 AM  
1 votes:
Every one of the sick farks who were involved in sending these people to jail should be ashamed of themselves.  They won't be, of course.
2014-04-16 08:02:45 AM  
1 votes:
Nobody has posted yet bout the bullsh*t premise used to enter their apartment and the p.o.s snitch maintenance guy? Farkers, I am disappointed!
I seldom smoke weed but refuse to live in any of these backward ass states with such ridiculous penalties.
2014-04-16 05:54:11 AM  
1 votes:
It's a far greater violation of ethics to unjustly deprive someone of liberty, i.e. the judge and arresting officers should be in jail.
2014-04-16 05:07:54 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA:
The DePriests spent two years and tens of thousands of dollars fighting their case before deciding to plead guilty. Proceeding to trial would have cost another $4,000, Natalie said, and "we were broke."

Stopped. Reading. There.

If I am the judge in this case, then I give them 15 years for aggravated stupidity, and to separate them from society so that the stupid doesn't rub off on innocent citizens of the community.

In other news, it really is against federal law to grow a weed on your own property for your own use, even when it is legal in your state. Think about that for a second. What do you imagine the framers of our Constitution would think of that? Land of the free? Really?
2014-04-16 04:20:23 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: I keep forgetting that cannabis is still illegal in most places.


Only a matter of time before it is no longer illegal anywhere. Just imagine how much jail space that will free up for actual criminals, you know, the sort that actually harm people.
2014-04-16 04:15:46 AM  
1 votes:

Aigoo: PreMortem: Judge in question:
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Seriously hope they get some kind of favorable ruling in appeal, if it can be appealed.

I don't think you can appeal your own guilty plea.

That judge is an idiot, out to prove a point. Said he was perfectly happy to give them 120 days each until he got pissed off at their lawyer, then took it out on them.

Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I can't seem to find where the prosecution had to prove its case (missing evidence, no warrant to enter for initial search)... but the defendants certainly had to prove their innocence. Pretty sure that's ass-backwards. The judge and every LEO involved should be fired and barred from having anything to do with anything remotely resembling law enforcement (and that includes rent-a-cop) ever again.


Sounds like there were a bunch of idiots in that case. It sounded like the lawyer was an idiot for using these 2 people's case for his grandstand against weed criminalization. The two defendants for listening to their idiot lawyer and not taking the plea deal right away when they were offering probation and very little, if any, jail time. And the judge was an idiot for taking his anger for what the lawyer was doing out on the defendants.  Surprisingly the only person that sounds like he wasn't an idiot in this case was the prosecutor.
2014-04-16 03:37:50 AM  
1 votes:
Let us not compare it too murder/manslaughter sentences. let us compare it too rape and assault sentences.

I would call a pot grower 'friend' waaaay before I called a rapist or violet person 'friend'.  I would disown a friend who became a rapist but pot grower not so much.
2014-04-15 11:56:39 PM  
1 votes:
I keep forgetting that cannabis is still illegal in most places.
 
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