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(The New York Times)   Thumbs up, everyone. Abu Ghraib is closed   (nytimes.com) divider line 72
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2014-04-15 05:46:58 PM
www.middleeast.org

newsimg.bbc.co.uk

sin.stb.s-msn.com
 
2014-04-15 05:53:49 PM
i61.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-15 06:01:33 PM
Aw man, I was going to have my yearbook signed.
 
2014-04-15 06:24:03 PM
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2014-04-15 06:26:47 PM
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2014-04-15 06:31:48 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-15 06:32:43 PM
well hell, now where am I going to blow off steam?
 
2014-04-15 06:34:39 PM
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-15 06:36:56 PM
Has Overzealous Staffer from Other Government Agency been contacted for comment?

It made me proud when I found out it was some lower enlisted guy who kept pushing up the chain of command thatput a stop to that shiat.
 
2014-04-15 06:45:17 PM
iraqis never much liked the idea of prisons anyhow, outside of their potential to elicit bribes that is
 
2014-04-15 06:49:04 PM
They moved everyone to Gitmo?
 
2014-04-15 06:50:51 PM
Too bad us elite Americans couldn't be the ones to close down our torture factory first and send a decent message to the world. Nope, we'll have Gitmo until we're razed to the ground by peoples of the world who have every reason to hate us.
 
2014-04-15 06:51:42 PM
The Bush/Cheney era was one of the most shameful in this nation's history.
Thanks, Republicans.
 
2014-04-15 06:56:17 PM
could you imagine the shiatstorm that would have ensued had the shameful abu ghraib torture & prisoner abuse happened on Obama's shift?

my God, they would have dragged him out into the streets and hanged him.
 
2014-04-15 06:57:11 PM
that is actually scaring me to consider.

Conservative Americans are a farking disturbing lot.
 
2014-04-15 07:06:51 PM
Oh thank God.
 
2014-04-15 07:09:13 PM
Upon reading the headline, for some reason my first impression was that Gitmo had closed.

Wishful thinking, maybe.
 
2014-04-15 07:17:34 PM
Bourbon, gentlemen?
 
2014-04-15 07:17:36 PM
Meh, it was nothing but a pyramid scam anyway.
 
2014-04-15 07:18:17 PM
But did they take all the prisoners out first?
 
2014-04-15 07:24:49 PM
Is that somewhere near Ben's Ghazi?
 
2014-04-15 07:31:14 PM
It still boggles my mind how any member of the military thought any of that was a good idea.  Specifically the photos, but more generally the wanton abuse.
 
2014-04-15 07:47:38 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Upon reading the headline, for some reason my first impression was that Gitmo had closed.

Wishful thinking, maybe.


Yeah me too.

*sigh*
 
2014-04-15 08:05:31 PM

Summoner101: wanton abuse


Try it with an eggroll atrocity.
 
2014-04-15 08:10:29 PM
Nice old skool meme reference.  I'm taking it to 11.
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2014-04-15 08:27:43 PM

Isitoveryet: could you imagine the shiatstorm that would have ensued had the shameful abu ghraib torture & prisoner abuse happened on Obama's shift?

my God, they would have dragged him out into the streets and hanged him.


They would have had him impeached before the day was out. Then they would have had Biden impeached for being complicit in it.

Then President Leaky Carrot would have "put a stop to it" and rode that into a mandate for his next term.

Now that's a god damn horror story right there.
 
2014-04-15 08:34:05 PM

AspectRatio: The Bush/Cheney era was one of the most shameful in this nation's history.
Thanks, Republicans.

 
2014-04-15 08:35:27 PM
So it only took eleven years.

Next month: "So about that Abu Ghraib being closed thing..."
 
2014-04-15 08:38:40 PM
Oh Subby. You missed a golden opportunity to say

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"Comments to the right"
 
2014-04-15 08:47:45 PM

Kibbler: So it only took eleven years.

Next month: "So about that Abu Ghraib being closed thing..."


The US transferred control of Abu Ghraib prison to the Iraqis in 2006, so more like 3ish years
 
2014-04-15 08:48:58 PM
First Sears and now this....
 
2014-04-15 08:51:40 PM

Robin Hoodie: Kibbler: So it only took eleven years.

Next month: "So about that Abu Ghraib being closed thing..."

The US transferred control of Abu Ghraib prison to the Iraqis in 2006, so more like 3ish years


Yes I remember, 2006, when we transferred control over to the Iraqis, who were totally in control, for real, and not just pretend in control, really in control.  In 2006.

Yeah.
 
2014-04-15 08:57:13 PM

fusillade762: [www.middleeast.org image 410x281]


Dubya's eyes and his thumb are going two separate places, as if he's looking off camera at someone giving him instructions. "Put my thumb up? You mean like this over here?"

That's a strange picture.
 
2014-04-15 09:13:36 PM

Kibbler: Robin Hoodie: Kibbler: So it only took eleven years.

Next month: "So about that Abu Ghraib being closed thing..."

The US transferred control of Abu Ghraib prison to the Iraqis in 2006, so more like 3ish years

Yes I remember, 2006, when we transferred control over to the Iraqis, who were totally in control, for real, and not just pretend in control, really in control.  In 2006.

Yeah.


No clue what you're getting at
 
2014-04-15 09:19:06 PM
Thumbs up everyone?  They're gonna need a lot of thumbs, then.
 
2014-04-15 09:21:21 PM
Now, where will I go on my summer vacation?
 
2014-04-15 09:56:42 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Too bad us elite Americans couldn't be the ones to close down our torture factory first and send a decent message to the world. Nope, we'll have Gitmo until we're razed to the ground by peoples of the world who have every reason to hate us.




Remember, the inmates hate us for out freedoms.
 
2014-04-15 10:20:48 PM
we'll be greeted like liberators

was everyone on really heavy dope in 2003? I mean, I was, but even I thought this would all turn out badly.
 
2014-04-15 10:31:02 PM
The best part about Abu was all the portraits of Saddam painted on the side of every building.  Been there, got the t-shirt.
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2014-04-15 10:35:00 PM
The Iraqi government said Tuesday that it had closed the Abu Ghraib prison, the site of a notorious prisoner abuse scandal during the American occupation of Iraq, because of fears that it could be overrun by Sunni insurgents who have gained strength over the last year.

Just so we're clear, this has nothing to do with closing a dark chapter in history? Or because things are so great that it isn't needed? It's purely because the terrorists are winning?
 
2014-04-15 10:54:39 PM

Bondith: Thumbs up everyone?  They're gonna need a lot of thumbs, then.


Thankfully, we have two thumbs for every asshole.
 
2014-04-15 11:24:49 PM
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2014-04-15 11:28:08 PM
I feel so much better about this, I can now forget about the hundreds of other CIA black sites that are running at full, torturous speed!
 
2014-04-15 11:49:14 PM

s2s2s2: I feel so much better about this, I can now forget about the hundreds of other CIA black sites that are running at full, torturous speed!


Obama is always going to be History's Worst Monster™ with you, isn't he?
 
2014-04-15 11:53:39 PM

Summoner101: It still boggles my mind how any member of the military thought any of that was a good idea.  Specifically the photos, but more generally the wanton abuse.


The articles I read indicated the place basically became a giant Milgram experiment.  You had CIA/intelligence types, wearing uniforms, but NOT wearing rank, inserting themselves into the regular military chain of command.  Military guys tend to follow orders, and their own officers did nothing about the situation.  Couple that with crappy living conditions, killer heat, and being seriously shorthanded, the abuse basically crept in little by little.  I don't think most of the low-level grunts set out to be torturers.

This isn't to excuse what happened, just to explain it..."I was just following orders" hasn't really flown since Nuremberg.   Imho, the real blame falls on the high-level military and civilian assholes who thought it WAS a good idea.
 
2014-04-15 11:55:29 PM
I was going to school in Canada (I'm American) when news of this broke. It was a very uncomfortable couple of weeks.

Only question is why the fark it wasn't closed sooner.
 
2014-04-15 11:55:58 PM

PunGent: Imho, the real blame falls on the high-level military and civilian assholes who thought it WAS a good idea.


Not to mention there's this untouchable factor involving US officials, elected or otherwise.

Because it would be a huge bad precedent or something if we had charged Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld with war crimes. Never mind if it was the right thing to do to reaffirm our values as a society.
 
2014-04-15 11:56:49 PM

Omahawg: we'll be greeted like liberators

was everyone on really heavy dope in 2003? I mean, I was, but even I thought this would all turn out badly.


The hell of it was, quite a lot the locals DID greet us as liberators.  Bush and Rumsfeld pissed away all that goodwill.

Sad when the locals start regretting the "good old days" under the incompetent murderous psychotic...kinda says it all about Bremer's tenure over there.
 
2014-04-15 11:58:28 PM

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Thanks for all the torture, Asshole.

Your work at Gitmo and in Iraq created the massive increase in Iraqi insurgency, resulting in huge increases in American dead and wounded.


Major General Antonio Taguba has stated that there is photographic evidence of rape being carried out at Abu Ghraib. An Abu Ghraib detainee told investigators he heard an Iraqi teenage boy screaming and saw an Army translator having sex with him while a female soldier took pictures.The alleged rapist was identified by a witness as an American-Egyptian who worked as a translator. He is now the subject of a civil court case in the US. Another photo shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner. Other photos show interrogators sexually assaulting prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube, and a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.Taguba has supported President Obama's decision not to release the photos, stating, "These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency."
In other alleged cases, female inmates were said to be raped by soldiers. In one reported case, senior US officials admitted rape had taken place at Abu Ghraib.


Don't believe me? How about The Guardian?


The U.S. commander in charge of military jails in Iraq, Major General Geoffrey Miller, has confirmed that a battery of 50-odd special "coercive techniques" can be used against enemy detainees. The general, who previously ran the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, said his main role was to extract as much intelligence as possible.
    -The Guardian


I wished he could be loaded into a helicopter and lowered into the streets of Baghdad. It would be better justice than anything from The Hague.
 
2014-04-16 12:04:52 AM

whidbey: s2s2s2: I feel so much better about this, I can now forget about the hundreds of other CIA black sites that are running at full, torturous speed!

Obama is always going to be History's Worst Monster™ with you, isn't he?


FWIW, I thought what s2 meant was that we should be sceptical that the government of Iraq shut down what amounts to an American prison serving American purposes in an American client state. Like, that is neither here nor there - who runs the show in the Iraqi judicial system? Is there even a coherent jurisprudence? But I figured it was a sceptical comment rather than misdirecting karma away from Cheney.
 
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