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(Politico)   Health insurers got their first taste of Obamacare this year. Now they want seconds   (politico.com ) divider line
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2014-04-15 02:50:42 PM  
"scary?" really, tardmitter?
 
2014-04-15 02:59:47 PM  
Cool! More choices, more competition for peoples money.
 
2014-04-15 03:39:53 PM  

FlashHarry: "scary?" really, tardmitter?


What, the mental image of health insurance companies feasting on your entrails after devouring your grandma's doesn't scare you?
 
2014-04-15 03:43:24 PM  
But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?
 
2014-04-15 03:57:10 PM  

make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?


They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.
 
2014-04-15 03:58:07 PM  

Serious Black: FlashHarry: "scary?" really, tardmitter?

What, the mental image of health insurance companies feasting on your entrails after devouring your grandma's doesn't scare you?


When did they not do that?
 
2014-04-15 04:18:19 PM  

WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.


In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.
 
2014-04-15 04:24:31 PM  

make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.


Oh yes. There has been a shortage of GOOD doctors in some areas for some time. We certainly don't need less.
 
2014-04-15 05:14:22 PM  

make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.


None of the doctors in our area have left. My doctor has moved to a concierge service. $600 a year for same day appointments and he'll even come to your home. I think he's stopped seeing see Medicaid patients.
 
2014-04-15 05:26:15 PM  
As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.
 
2014-04-15 05:31:08 PM  

WTFDYW: Cool! More choices, more competition for peoples money.


FREE MARKET!!!!
 
2014-04-15 05:31:09 PM  
Well, it' a mixed bag for insurers. While they get more companies, the law also establishes the precedent of regulating them like essential utilities, which is dim news for people betting that their profits will double every year.
 
2014-04-15 05:31:20 PM  
A) Inspired headline subby. Bravo.
B) More competition = lower rates = more savings for everyone
C) Thanks, Obama
 
2014-04-15 05:31:26 PM  

make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.


If you're upset about a lack of doctors, blame the AMA for deliberately fixing the number of medical colleges out there, thus ensuring that there's an artificial shortage and ensuring that the doctors that do exist can demand top-wages.
 
2014-04-15 05:32:59 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Well, it' a mixed bag for insurers. While they get more companies, the law also establishes the precedent of regulating them like essential utilities, which is dim news for people betting that their profits will double every year.


they also get more customers
 
2014-04-15 05:33:36 PM  

Semper IvXx: As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.


Well, that and the millions of Americans that now have access to healthcare. That part's pretty good.
 
2014-04-15 05:34:53 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Semper IvXx: As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.

Well, that and the millions of Americans that now have access to healthcare. That part's pretty good.


Nonsense, because socialism.
 
2014-04-15 05:35:02 PM  

make me some tea: there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now


This sounds suspiciously like job creation.
 
2014-04-15 05:38:20 PM  

FlashHarry: "scary?" really, tardmitter?


They copied the first line of the article. I wouldn't expect a lot.
 
2014-04-15 05:38:30 PM  

Infernalist: make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.

If you're upset about a lack of doctors, blame the AMA for deliberately fixing the number of medical colleges out there, thus ensuring that there's an artificial shortage and ensuring that the doctors that do exist can demand top-wages.


This.
 
2014-04-15 05:39:26 PM  

make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.


Why are more people getting sick in California?
 
2014-04-15 05:40:30 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Well, it' a mixed bag for insurers. While they get more companies, the law also establishes the precedent of regulating them like essential utilities, which is dim news for people betting that their profits will double every year.


They still have their exemption to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to look forward to.
 
2014-04-15 05:43:06 PM  

make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.


It depends on what it was before with time frame with 6 to 8 weeks and what it's for.

Any place I've lived, it takes 2 to 3 months to get a physical.

If I'm actually sick, it's next day, or same day if it's bad.
 
2014-04-15 05:45:36 PM  
This is just an obvious democratic attempt to deflect from the issue of a failed Obamacare rollout.
 
2014-04-15 05:46:27 PM  

WTFDYW: make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.

Oh yes. There has been a shortage of GOOD doctors in some areas for some time. We certainly don't need less.


Speaking of which, Naturopaths are trying to work language into the legislature that says they're allowed to work as primary care physicians in California.

So if we really are short on doctors (I haven't seen it in my area), then some really idiotic politicians may end up allowing quacks to become PCP's.
 
2014-04-15 05:58:25 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: A) Inspired headline subby. Bravo.
B) More competition = lower rates = more savings for everyone
C) Thanks, Obama


That's nice and all, but since these are health insurance companies we're talking about, I think what we'll actually get is: more insurers = bigger pot of money to bribe politicians = amendments to Obamacare to make it more profitable for insurance companies. That seems to be how markets actually work these days, wealth means influence means greater wealth.
 
2014-04-15 05:59:33 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.

It depends on what it was before with time frame with 6 to 8 weeks and what it's for.

Any place I've lived, it takes 2 to 3 months to get a physical.

If I'm actually sick, it's next day, or same day if it's bad.


You must live in a damn shiatty place if you can't see a doctor for 2-3 months. Or maybe you need a better health insurance plan that doesn't require you to stick to a tiny list of "participating practices".

You should try looking on healthcare.gov.
 
2014-04-15 05:59:44 PM  
Infernalist:

If you're upset about a lack of doctors, blame the AMA for deliberately fixing the number of medical colleges out there, thus ensuring that there's an artificial shortage and ensuring that the doctors that do exist can demand top-wages.

this
 
2014-04-15 06:01:51 PM  

The Numbers: HaywoodJablonski: A) Inspired headline subby. Bravo.
B) More competition = lower rates = more savings for everyone
C) Thanks, Obama

That's nice and all, but since these are health insurance companies we're talking about, I think what we'll actually get is: more insurers = bigger pot of money to bribe politicians = amendments to Obamacare to make it more profitable for insurance companies. That seems to be how markets actually work these days, wealth means influence means greater wealth.


from what i understand, the Insurers are required to pay X amount on services or provide a refund to premium payers.

Thanks to a provision in the Affordable Care Act, if your insurance company isn't spending at least 80 percent of your premium dollars on medical care, they have to send you some money back.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/07/18/refund-your-health-insuran ce -company-thank-affordable-care-act
 
2014-04-15 06:12:33 PM  
Given Obamacare's huge success in making health insurance available to 14 million (7 million on the exchanges, 7 million directly through insurance companeis) new customers, it's no surprise.
 
2014-04-15 06:16:03 PM  
Didn't insurers see this cash cow coming?  It really makes me wonder why anyone actually opposed it.

I mean I know, blah president + poors getting treated like humans etc, but there must be more to it than that right?  RIGHT??
 
2014-04-15 06:17:44 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: A) Inspired headline subby. Bravo.
B) More competition = lower rates = more savings for everyone
C) Thanks, Obama


A) Inspired??  Yes, by quoting the first line of TFA verbatim.  Inspired reading!
B) One hopes
C) Yay!
 
2014-04-15 06:17:51 PM  

make me some tea: But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.


Or nurse practitioners, maybe?
 
2014-04-15 06:18:00 PM  
One of the next steps we need to take to ensure a viable number of MDs is to fix how people pay for medical school.  I don't know what the solution is and I'm not going to pretend to, but I got my Ph.D. and didn't have to pay a dime for it.  I probably would have liked medicine, but I'm sure as hell not going to pay $200K for the education.
 
2014-04-15 06:20:03 PM  

make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?


I will not hesitate to protect obamacarendale from treason
 
2014-04-15 06:23:58 PM  

Crapinoleum: HaywoodJablonski: A) Inspired headline subby. Bravo.
B) More competition = lower rates = more savings for everyone
C) Thanks, Obama

A) Inspired??  Yes, by quoting the first line of TFA verbatim.  Inspired reading!
B) One hopes
C) Yay!


That's the joke!
 
2014-04-15 06:32:54 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Crapinoleum: HaywoodJablonski: A) Inspired headline subby. Bravo.
B) More competition = lower rates = more savings for everyone
C) Thanks, Obama

A) Inspired??  Yes, by quoting the first line of TFA verbatim.  Inspired reading!
B) One hopes
C) Yay!

That's the joke!


glad I could help....
 
2014-04-15 06:36:08 PM  

Skanque: One of the next steps we need to take to ensure a viable number of MDs is to fix how people pay for medical school.  I don't know what the solution is and I'm not going to pretend to, but I got my Ph.D. and didn't have to pay a dime for it.  I probably would have liked medicine, but I'm sure as hell not going to pay $200K for the education.


I had thought there were medical schools associated with hospitals that will foot the bill in exchange for an equal amount of time working at the hospital at the minimum pay rate. At least, I had a friend the US stole from Canada with that offer. (Georgetown, for the record)
 
2014-04-15 06:49:25 PM  

WippitGuud: Skanque: One of the next steps we need to take to ensure a viable number of MDs is to fix how people pay for medical school.  I don't know what the solution is and I'm not going to pretend to, but I got my Ph.D. and didn't have to pay a dime for it.  I probably would have liked medicine, but I'm sure as hell not going to pay $200K for the education.

I had thought there were medical schools associated with hospitals that will foot the bill in exchange for an equal amount of time working at the hospital at the minimum pay rate. At least, I had a friend the US stole from Canada with that offer. (Georgetown, for the record)


What? Currently they work for years and almost get paid nothing and still have to pay all the bills. So I doubt they wold go for paying their bills and get the same thing.

I had a friend in a "fellowship", she calculated out and was getting paid LESS than minimum wage because was salaried and working so many hours.

She was studying to be a brain surgeon, already with a medical degree and being paid less than someone working for McDonalds. Shiat is farked up.
 
2014-04-15 07:34:11 PM  
Subsidize premiums with taxpayer dollars? Guarantee losses with taxpayer dollars? And that generates interest from insurance companies?  That's amazing.
 
2014-04-15 07:53:32 PM  

Corvus: WippitGuud: Skanque: One of the next steps we need to take to ensure a viable number of MDs is to fix how people pay for medical school.  I don't know what the solution is and I'm not going to pretend to, but I got my Ph.D. and didn't have to pay a dime for it.  I probably would have liked medicine, but I'm sure as hell not going to pay $200K for the education.

I had thought there were medical schools associated with hospitals that will foot the bill in exchange for an equal amount of time working at the hospital at the minimum pay rate. At least, I had a friend the US stole from Canada with that offer. (Georgetown, for the record)

What? Currently they work for years and almost get paid nothing and still have to pay all the bills. So I doubt they wold go for paying their bills and get the same thing.

I had a friend in a "fellowship", she calculated out and was getting paid LESS than minimum wage because was salaried and working so many hours.

She was studying to be a brain surgeon, already with a medical degree and being paid less than someone working for McDonalds. Shiat is farked up.


Every year at ucla as a resident your pay goes up. He longest residency was neurosurgery with seven years. Your last year of resiedency in neurosurgery your salary would be the highest it had ever been: $43k.
 
2014-04-15 08:22:56 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Semper IvXx: As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.

Well, that and the millions of Americans that now have access to healthcare. That part's pretty good.


I love that people still think that having health insurance means the same thing as "access to health care". It's so damn cute.
 
2014-04-15 08:29:17 PM  

js34603: UrukHaiGuyz: Semper IvXx: As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.

Well, that and the millions of Americans that now have access to healthcare. That part's pretty good.

I love that people still think that having health insurance means the same thing as "access to health care". It's so damn cute.


I love it when idiots make specious arguments that they got from some right wing talking point, it's so damn predictable.

As a matter of probability, having health insurance greatly increases access to healthcare, so I don't understand the crap that is dripping out of your mouth.
 
2014-04-15 08:31:09 PM  
No shiat, it's overpriced.
 
2014-04-15 08:37:29 PM  
Insurance companies like the fact you have to have insurance. That should be obvious
 
2014-04-15 08:41:08 PM  

js34603: UrukHaiGuyz: Semper IvXx: As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.

Well, that and the millions of Americans that now have access to healthcare. That part's pretty good.

I love that people still think that having health insurance means the same thing as "access to health care". It's so damn cute.


*looks at profile* yep. Mouth breather.
 
2014-04-15 09:31:05 PM  

MrBallou: Fantasta Potamus: make me some tea: WTFDYW: make me some tea: But wait, I thought it was a huge failure and all the doctors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship?

What is this sorcery?

They aren't talking about doctors here I think they are just talking about insurance companies jumping on board now that they know it's not a total failure. But yeah. I haven't heard of any doctors in our area leaving the practice because of it yet.

In California at least, there is a shortage of doctors. It takes 6-8 weeks to get an appointment. But that's because there need to be more doctors because there are more patients now.

I did see in one Facebook thread, a guy said his doc went to concierge-only, but I tried to ask him some questions and he never responded back, so who knows if that's BS or not. It doesn't appear to be widespread if it is happening.

It depends on what it was before with time frame with 6 to 8 weeks and what it's for.

Any place I've lived, it takes 2 to 3 months to get a physical.

If I'm actually sick, it's next day, or same day if it's bad.

You must live in a damn shiatty place if you can't see a doctor for 2-3 months. Or maybe you need a better health insurance plan that doesn't require you to stick to a tiny list of "participating practices".

You should try looking on healthcare.gov.


Or you need a doctor that can handle a little more than the bare basics. My sleep doctor got me in to see my primary care doctor when I moved because he was the best he knew, and I was juggling lots of medications and needed someone who could actually help me stay on top of everything. He wasn't technically taking new patients but they knew each other so he made an exception. Absolutely great doctor, only one who ever "got" me. It took forever to get in to see him but he'd get me in with *somebody* if it was an emergency.
 
2014-04-15 09:33:34 PM  

iaazathot: js34603: UrukHaiGuyz: Semper IvXx: As long as the insurers are happy it was all worthwhile.

Well, that and the millions of Americans that now have access to healthcare. That part's pretty good.

I love that people still think that having health insurance means the same thing as "access to health care". It's so damn cute.

I love it when idiots make specious arguments that they got from some right wing talking point, it's so damn predictable.

As a matter of probability, having health insurance greatly increases access to healthcare, so I don't understand the crap that is dripping out of your mouth.


And not having health insurance greatly limits your access to healthcare. My mom had some biopsy or something done right before losing insurance (Dad's between jobs). Doctor won't give results over the phone. So for months now she's just trying not to worry about it. Their medications aren't really getting refilled unless absolutely necessary, which mostly just comes down to her Diovan. And I think she might've rationed them a bit.
 
2014-04-15 09:39:56 PM  
At least two major national insurers intend to expand their offerings, although a handful of big players like Aetna, Humana and Cigna, are keeping their cards close for now.

So, the 3 worst insurance companies ever may not get involved? Good god yes.
 
2014-04-15 09:48:49 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: It depends on what it was before with time frame with 6 to 8 weeks and what it's for.

Any place I've lived, it takes 2 to 3 months to get a physical.

If I'm actually sick, it's next day, or same day if it's bad.


Sucks to be you...I am currently on Medicare because of disability...I went to my new PCP about 2 weeks ago, and he had a physical scheduled me a week later...got the blood tests done the next day and got the results back the day after that...
 
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