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2014-04-15 11:03:02 AM  
But sanctions!
 
2014-04-15 11:03:50 AM  

stevarooni: m00: This is how WWII started.

What, a nation gobbling up other nations while Europe said, "Oh, that's bad.  Don't you dare do that to another one!"?


Last I checked both Ukraine and Russia is Europe.

Did you mean the EU? Who of the two belligerents where it that tore of the brokered peace treaty?

And what does USA have to offer? Mouthbreathers, the liar Powell?
 
2014-04-15 11:05:01 AM  

spawn73: youmightberight: Now would be a good time to pull the A-10's out of mothballs.

Surely you are trolling.

Your response is to attack and kill, uh someone, in a country that doesn't concern USA, and furthermore could shot those farking A-10s down if they so pleased.

Or is it just that Ukrainian tank stuck in the mud you want to strafe?



Indeed.  This really isn't our concern -- at least not until Putin is rolling his panzer divisions into Western Europe and the EU finally admits that they've got a problem.  I wouldn't commit the US to this unless there's a pretty broad consensus in the EU/UN that WWIII has already begun.
 
2014-04-15 11:05:14 AM  

Gunny Highway: SpectroBoy: [www.ctvnews.ca image 620x349]

All I know is that if rebels were trying to overthrow the legally elected government in MY city those tires would be covered in gasoline and on fire by now.

I bet.


Too over the top?

I can never tell.
 
2014-04-15 11:05:48 AM  

youmightberight: Now would be a good time to pull the A-10's out of mothballs.


Better yet:  A good time to order up 200 of 'em.

/Hagerstonian
 
2014-04-15 11:06:18 AM  
Today: "Meh, it's just the Ukraine. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Tomorrow: "Meh, it's just Eastern Europe. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Eventually: "Meh, it's just one more unexplained nuclear detonantion in US flyover country. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."

/are good men doing nothing really still good?
 
2014-04-15 11:07:25 AM  

cheyanne9: [www.bookwormroom.com image 599x799]


I don't get this argument. You have state sheriffs insisting that federally owned land is state land and people protesting their state right to use that land as they see fit.  If the state wants the land it can farking buy it from the federal government (well I guess the feds have to be willing to sell), but its land legally owned by the feds and has always been owned by the feds. This is only states rights as far as the right of states to annex federal property, which they don't have.
 
2014-04-15 11:08:03 AM  
Well, it's pretty obvious Putin is behind this (possibly not, but pretty damn unlikely.)  The big question is-- is Ol' Pooty doing this just to fark with everybody, (something he LOVES doing) or is he planning to actually roll in the Russian army to take over the eastern Ukraine "To protect the ethnic Russians" once the Ukrainian government takes action to clear out the protesters/insurgents?

If he takes over east Ukraine, is anybody going to do anything other than biatch about it?
 
2014-04-15 11:08:23 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Today: "Meh, it's just the Ukraine. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Tomorrow: "Meh, it's just Eastern Europe. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Eventually: "Meh, it's just one more unexplained nuclear detonantion in US flyover country. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."

/are good men doing nothing really still good?


Your fertile imagination in the other hand, definitely worth a nuclear war.
 
2014-04-15 11:08:54 AM  
Its about damn time...  Ukraine needs to assert its authority and regain control, but they have russia just hopeing for an excuse to invade under the lie of "protecting Russian speakers from Ukrainian violence".  And that really is all it is, A big fat bold lie.

fark you Putin.
 
2014-04-15 11:09:56 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Today: "Meh, it's just the Ukraine. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Tomorrow: "Meh, it's just Eastern Europe. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Eventually: "Meh, it's just one more unexplained nuclear detonantion in US flyover country. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."

/are good men doing nothing really still good?


"He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight."
-- Sun Tzu
 
2014-04-15 11:11:18 AM  

jshine: Indeed.  This really isn't our concern -- at least not until Putin is rolling his panzer divisions into Western Europe and the EU finally admits that they've got a problem.  I wouldn't commit the US to this unless there's a pretty broad consensus in the EU/UN that WWIII has already begun.


Interesting terminology for Russian tanks...
 
2014-04-15 11:12:28 AM  

dukeblue219: jshine: Indeed.  This really isn't our concern -- at least not until Putin is rolling his panzer divisions into Western Europe and the EU finally admits that they've got a problem.  I wouldn't commit the US to this unless there's a pretty broad consensus in the EU/UN that WWIII has already begun.

Interesting terminology for Russian tanks...


Indeed.
 
2014-04-15 11:12:31 AM  
Where have the Ukrainains people who were pushing for a new government gone in all of this?  There have to be some non-'Russian military disguised as protesters' out there.

Sure there are, you can always find those anywhere in Ukraine.  Recent polls show that at most about 18-20% of Ukrainians in the east support separation from Ukraine
 
2014-04-15 11:13:38 AM  

SpectroBoy: Gunny Highway: SpectroBoy: [www.ctvnews.ca image 620x349]

All I know is that if rebels were trying to overthrow the legally elected government in MY city those tires would be covered in gasoline and on fire by now.

I bet.

Too over the top?

I can never tell.


You werent serious haha.

I can never tell.
 
2014-04-15 11:14:53 AM  

danzak: Where have the Ukrainains people who were pushing for a new government gone in all of this?  There have to be some non-'Russian military disguised as protesters' out there.

Sure there are, you can always find those anywhere in Ukraine.  Recent polls show that at most about 18-20% of Ukrainians in the east support separation from Ukraine


I know they are there, I was wondering what they are doing at the moment.
 
2014-04-15 11:15:26 AM  
"People who claimed the old Ukrainian government clearing out protesters was criminal" and "people urging the new Ukrainian government to stomp em flat" how closely does the Venn diagram resemble a circle?
 
2014-04-15 11:17:26 AM  
 
2014-04-15 11:20:38 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Today: "Meh, it's just the Ukraine. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Tomorrow: "Meh, it's just Eastern Europe. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."
Eventually: "Meh, it's just one more unexplained nuclear detonantion in US flyover country. Not worth starting a nuclear war over."

/are good men doing nothing really still good?


Pity that interventionist poster boy Bush got us into deep shiat without an exit strategy...twice.

Now reasonable people are, quite understandably, reluctant to intervene again, even when it's appropriate.

Credibility is an easy thing to squander, and a hard thing to restore.
 
2014-04-15 11:22:11 AM  
No hostages? Bomb the building... you want to send a strong, clear message that you can replace buildings far more easily than they can replace insurgents. Bill their families for the cleanup.
 
2014-04-15 11:22:22 AM  
I know they are there, I was wondering what they are doing at the moment.

From what I've read, the Russian special forces are clearing the buildings, setting up the road blocks and seizing weapons caches.  The Ukrainians are then grouped in with them to occupy those buildings, man the road blocks etc

like these guys:

www.kyivpost.com
 
2014-04-15 11:24:16 AM  

wraithmare: jshine: AspectRatio: m00: This is how WWII started.

No, no it isn't.

You're right -- WWII started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

The Germans?

<cue>


<sigh> do I have to do everything around here?

Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2014-04-15 11:24:39 AM  
I keep getting the impression that when all this is done there will not be a single house standing in Eastern Ukraine.   Those poor stupid bastards in the soon to be barren wasteland actually believed the Russian propaganda and will pay dearly for it along with all the innocent people in the middle.
 
2014-04-15 11:24:51 AM  

Ned Stark: "People who claimed the old Ukrainian government clearing out protesters was criminal" and "people urging the new Ukrainian government to stomp em flat" how closely does the Venn diagram resemble a circle?


These are vastly different.


One one hand you had peaceful protestors who overthrew their own government, and afterwards they picked up trash, and guarded the captured properties.   They didn't break a single window.  These are what you call good guys.


On the other hand you have violent protestors who captured government buildings (not overthrown the government) and vandalized and generally break things and threaten and intimidate anyone who gets in their way.  Many of these same people are not even Ukrainians but are instead Russian troops with orders to stir dissent.  These are what you call bad guys.


so yes, stomp on the bad guys...
 
2014-04-15 11:25:22 AM  
AP:  Heavy gunfire heard at airport in Eastern Ukraine after troops mave against pro-Russia militia.
 
2014-04-15 11:25:32 AM  
Let's see. Now is the time where we

1. raise taxes

2. institute a draft


Oh wait. That model is outdated.

Nowadays, I think the model is

1. cut taxes on the wealthy

2. pay trillions to military contractors

3. force military volunteers to live in near poverty and serve multiple 15 month combat tours with little or no time off between tours


/You know, if you live on the right side of the tracks and know the right people, war can be a real money-maker.
 
2014-04-15 11:25:34 AM  

jshine: spawn73: youmightberight: Now would be a good time to pull the A-10's out of mothballs.

Surely you are trolling.

Your response is to attack and kill, uh someone, in a country that doesn't concern USA, and furthermore could shot those farking A-10s down if they so pleased.

Or is it just that Ukrainian tank stuck in the mud you want to strafe?


Indeed.  This really isn't our concern -- at least not until Putin is rolling his panzer divisions into Western Europe and the EU finally admits that they've got a problem.  I wouldn't commit the US to this unless there's a pretty broad consensus in the EU/UN that WWIII has already begun.


WW1 and WWII was basicly Europe, and I am sure the EU will graciously let USA pick sides once again should that wet dream come to pass.

What USA could also is to offer real ecomic and immidiate help, along with their partners in the EU.

And tell McCain to fark off with his rethoric about arming, someone. Whilst his backers in the weapons lobby probably loves him for it, it's a moronic idea given that everyone has lots of weapons.
 
2014-04-15 11:26:02 AM  

danzak: I know they are there, I was wondering what they are doing at the moment.

From what I've read, the Russian special forces are clearing the buildings, setting up the road blocks and seizing weapons caches.  The Ukrainians are then grouped in with them to occupy those buildings, man the road blocks etc

like these guys:

[www.kyivpost.com image 460x308]


Thanks.
 
2014-04-15 11:31:36 AM  

spawn73: WWII was basicly Europe


... and the Middle East, and North Africa, and SE Asia, and India, China, Japan, Australia...
 
2014-04-15 11:32:12 AM  

proton: AP:  Heavy gunfire heard at airport in Eastern Ukraine after troops mave against pro-Russia militia.


Translated:

http://hromadske.tv/society/534d4c3259d3f/
 
2014-04-15 11:33:03 AM  

spawn73: youmightberight: Now would be a good time to pull the A-10's out of mothballs.

Surely you are trolling.

Your response is to attack and kill, uh someone, in a country that doesn't concern USA, and furthermore could shot those farking A-10s down if they so pleased.


Or is it just that Ukrainian tank stuck in the mud you want to strafe?


Not trolling - Putin needs to keep his hands out of the cookie jar and him sending his guys in without insignia to act as "protestors" is complete bullshiat. The fact that you seem to be giving him a pass for his COMPLETELY OBVIOUS SHENANIGANS  is frankly disturbing to me. As for it not concerning us yes it does. Lines on a map may just be lines but they CLEARLY delineate the rule of one group from that of another. How would you like it if Canada decided to say - annex Alaska - I mean it's in their backyard and it's not that big of a change anyway right? Oh who cares that they sent soldiers in without insignia as pretense Canada is a nuclear armed country and we don't want a war with them so just give them what they want.

This is essentially what we are telling Ukraine - But wait there's more. We basically told these people that if they gave up their nukes we would respect their national boundaries. Now this isn't a promise to come to their aid and defense but guess what. Russia isn't going to stop once they have all of Ukraine.

So you shoot up the unmarked guys so this shiat stops before you have to really go to war.
 
2014-04-15 11:34:53 AM  

jshine: AspectRatio: m00: This is how WWII started.

No, no it isn't.

You're right -- WWII started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


I though it started when Lee Harvey Oswald shot the lead singer of Franz Ferdinand.
 
2014-04-15 11:36:07 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-15 11:37:07 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This must create almost as big of a farklib boner as Israel being overtaken by Syria


I'm pretty sure all the boners being created are on the Conservatives who have man crushes on Putin.
 
2014-04-15 11:38:38 AM  
I know if I were a global power, I'd definitely let a ragtag bunch of highly visible ethnic gunmen represent my nation on the world stage, leading to a war that suits the interests of outsiders.
 
2014-04-15 11:38:52 AM  

Gunny Highway: danzak: I know they are there, I was wondering what they are doing at the moment.

From what I've read, the Russian special forces are clearing the buildings, setting up the road blocks and seizing weapons caches.  The Ukrainians are then grouped in with them to occupy those buildings, man the road blocks etc

like these guys:

[www.kyivpost.com image 460x308]

Thanks


They are also mixed in with the Russian "tourist" protesters, some of whom were seen in Crimea etc. There are reports that "tourist protesters" are being brought in and told to pose as locals but have no idea who the mayor of the city is or any other basic information.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/04/14/you-tube- sh atters-russian-lies-about-troops-in-ukraine/2/
 
2014-04-15 11:39:19 AM  
Putin laughs and spreads his wings... Oh Lord yeah
 
2014-04-15 11:40:27 AM  
I'm just happy to have been born in the country that is always right about everything.
 
2014-04-15 11:40:50 AM  

m00: This is how WWII started.


I thought that was when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2014-04-15 11:41:16 AM  

jshine: AspectRatio: m00: This is how WWII started.

No, no it isn't.

You're right -- WWII started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


I thought it was when the Maine was bombed in the Gulf of Tonka or something.
 
2014-04-15 11:41:50 AM  

youmightberight: Now would be a good time to pull the A-10's out of mothballs.


The ugliest, most intimidating airplane ever built.
static4.businessinsider.com
Don't make us use this.  You will regret it.
 
2014-04-15 11:41:58 AM  
Ethnic cleansing requires a parameter.

I'm wondering if it will be religion, ancestry, or maybe personal wealth.
 
2014-04-15 11:42:11 AM  

dukeblue219: spawn73: WWII was basicly Europe

... and the Middle East, and North Africa, and SE Asia, and India, China, Japan, Australia...


That's a good point. Whatever Japan had going with China, and partly USA had very little to do with Europe.

Untill Japan started attacking all the Dutch and English colonies of course. But still.
 
2014-04-15 11:43:01 AM  

Poot beer: jshine: AspectRatio: m00: This is how WWII started.

No, no it isn't.

You're right -- WWII started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I thought it was when the Maine was bombed in the Gulf of Tonka or something.


Hertz' hostile takeover of Alamo?  Remember?
 
2014-04-15 11:43:08 AM  
i prefer to say "The excrement has hit the airscrew".
 
2014-04-15 11:43:12 AM  

jshine: Egoy3k: I'm not sure I'd call this guy a 'protestor' maybe militiaman or rebel or soldier but not really a protestor.

[www.ctvnews.ca image 850x552]

...or, more likely, a Russian soldier in a uniform without national insignia.


We should arrest them and ship them off to Gitmo.  Is Putin still disavowing them as Russian soldiers?

"Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.
 
2014-04-15 11:43:50 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-15 11:44:42 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: MG Smedley Butler won two Medals of Honor.


Means he had big brass balls.  Doesn't mean he was 100% *RIGHT*.  You know who else had medals of honor?

Vice Presidential candidate who was barely there James Stockdale.

Racist/Fascist Charles Lindbergh.

Just because you happen to be brave, doesn't make you infallible, or right about all things.
 
2014-04-15 11:44:44 AM  

MooseBayou: Hertz' hostile takeover of Alamo?  Remember?


No, it was Enterprise Rent-a-Car's assault on Ft. Sumter. Get your facts straight!
 
2014-04-15 11:44:56 AM  

jshine: dukeblue219: jshine: Indeed.  This really isn't our concern -- at least not until Putin is rolling his panzer divisions into Western Europe and the EU finally admits that they've got a problem.  I wouldn't commit the US to this unless there's a pretty broad consensus in the EU/UN that WWIII has already begun.

Interesting terminology for Russian tanks...

Indeed.


Ukraine:  while the derp-gun on the KV-1S and the KV-2 is intimidating, try to get around the sides for a flank or rear shot while they are reloading.  Also, they are both vulnerable to artillery.

/wait, this isn't World of Tanks?
 
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