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(Major League Baseball)   Unusual: Rays pull off the difficult 6-2-5-3-2 double play. More unusual: Getting two runners out at home plate (click on photo for the video)   (wapc.mlb.com ) divider line
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1746 clicks; posted to Sports » on 15 Apr 2014 at 10:02 AM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-04-15 10:08:30 AM  
As far as the Reds go,
media.247sports.com
 
2014-04-15 10:14:31 AM  
From the box score:

1. Todd Frazier pops out to second baseman Logan Forsythe.
2. Jay Bruce walks.
3. Ryan Ludwick walks. Jay Bruce to 2nd. Coaching visit to mound.
4. Devin Mesoraco walks. Jay Bruce to 3rd. Ryan Ludwick to 2nd.
5. Zack Cozart hits a ground-rule double (2) on a line drive to right-center field. Jay Bruce scores. Ryan Ludwick scores. Devin Mesoraco to 3rd.
6.Tony Cingrani hit into a fielder's choice double play, shortstop Yunel Escobar to catcher Ryan Hanigan to second baseman Logan Forsythe to first baseman Sean Rodriguez to catcher Ryan Hanigan. Devin Mesoraco out at home. Zack Cozart out at home.

In other news, the Rays figured out how to stop Billy Hamilton from stealing second:
1. Billy Hamilton singles on a line drive to left fielder Ben Zobrist.
2.Joey Votto homers (2) on a line drive to center field. Billy Hamilton scores.
 
2014-04-15 10:16:07 AM  
The first guy wasn't out at the plate, but close enough.
 
2014-04-15 10:49:33 AM  
Matt Moore has elected to get TJ surgery and is out for a year.  Alex Cobb is out 4-6 weeks with an oblique strain, Archer got beaten like a rented mule last night, and we were hitless until the 5th inning last night.

I weep for the future.
 
2014-04-15 10:52:52 AM  

chimp_ninja: n other news, the Rays figured out how to stop Billy Hamilton from stealing second:
1. Billy Hamilton singles on a line drive to left fielder Ben Zobrist.
2.Joey Votto homers (2) on a line drive to center field. Billy Hamilton scores.


Its really kind of a waste to bat Billy Hamilton ahead of Votto. Votto has drawn a walk in something like 1 in 6 ABs the last 4 years and is likely to hit about 25-30 homers in addition, so Hamilton's ability to get himself into scoring position is wasted about 20% of the time.

It would be best to bat Hamilton ahead of a hitter who lacks the ability to draw a walk, but has good contact skills and average power, like Brandon Philips.
 
2014-04-15 11:01:57 AM  
Am I the only one who saw 6-2-4-3-2?

Why would the third baseman cover 2nd when A) there was a man advancing to 3rd and B) the first run down was between 3rd and home?

Plus looking at the video the 2nd baseman covers 2nd on the hit, so unless he and the third baseman switched places REALLY quickly, it's 6-2-4-3-2.
 
2014-04-15 11:05:20 AM  

studleystudstutterson: Its really kind of a waste to bat Billy Hamilton ahead of Votto. Votto has drawn a walk in something like 1 in 6 ABs the last 4 years and is likely to hit about 25-30 homers in addition, so Hamilton's ability to get himself into scoring position is wasted about 20% of the time.


Yup.  And unless he learns to hit better, he might be better as a #8, or you do the LaRussa and bat him #9 with the pitcher #8.  Fewer PAs, and you bat him in front of a singles hitter.  (Or a pitcher, where the goal there is to steal second, then bunt him to third.)

He might be the best runner the game's ever seen, but it turns out that even that's not too valuable unless some of his other tools mature.  That said, he's allegedly rapidly improving as a CF, and if he can leverage his acceleration and top speed into being an Andruw-level defender, he might stick in the lineup even if offensively he starts looking like Vince Coleman.
 
2014-04-15 11:16:42 AM  

tricycleracer: Matt Moore has elected to get TJ surgery and is out for a year.  Alex Cobb is out 4-6 weeks with an oblique strain, Archer got beaten like a rented mule last night, and we were hitless until the 5th inning last night.

I weep for the future.


I think its a little hasty to count out the Rays just yet. Never underestimate Joe Maddon.

You had a good run, and we'll always remember you guys for coming back down 0-7 to the Yankees to win a slot in the postseason and for capping Boston's worst September ever.

I'm pulling for the Rays, but losing Matt Moore to TJ at such a young age, that's really rough.
 
2014-04-15 11:32:16 AM  
Wasn't the catcher blocking the plate before the ball got to him on the 2nd out?
 
2014-04-15 11:40:34 AM  
The catcher didn't have a broken leg when he tagged the second runner out? Pathetic.

/Really, it was a neat little play.
 
2014-04-15 12:09:50 PM  

Bob The Nob: Wasn't the catcher blocking the plate before the ball got to him on the 2nd out?


The rule seems unclear but he did have the ball in hand when the player got there so... no?
 
2014-04-15 12:18:33 PM  

meanmutton: Bob The Nob: Wasn't the catcher blocking the plate before the ball got to him on the 2nd out?

The rule seems unclear but he did have the ball in hand when the player got there so... no?


Yeah, I'm still trying to understand it.  So he can be blocking the plate before the ball arrives, but he must have the ball when the runner gets to him, correct?
 
2014-04-15 12:21:40 PM  
Cheering for the Reds is sometimes difficult...  but watching them is always entertaining.

I think the new third base coach needs a little time in the video room - the Reds are making a lot of easy outs at the plate in the early going.
 
2014-04-15 12:31:59 PM  

Bob The Nob: meanmutton: Bob The Nob: Wasn't the catcher blocking the plate before the ball got to him on the 2nd out?

The rule seems unclear but he did have the ball in hand when the player got there so... no?

Yeah, I'm still trying to understand it.  So he can be blocking the plate before the ball arrives, but he must have the ball when the runner gets to him, correct?


I seem to remember the rule basically saying "Don't get in the way unless you have the ball or really *REALLY* are just about to have it and getting out of the way would mean you wouldn't be able to"
 
2014-04-15 12:33:00 PM  

steveGswine: Cheering for the Reds is sometimes difficult...  but watching them is always entertaining.

I think the new third base coach needs a little time in the video room - the Reds are making a lot of easy outs at the plate in the early going.


Having Hamilton on your roster really skews the numbers when it comes to team speed.  You get used to seeing somebody burning up the baselines like that and you expect everybody to do it.
 
2014-04-15 12:33:35 PM  
Rule quote:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24455802/mlb-officially -e nacts-new-home-plate-collision-rule

(2) Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the Umpire, the catcher without possession of the ball blocks the pathway of the runner, the Umpire shall call or signal the runner safe. Notwithstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 7.13 if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in order to field a throw, and the Umpire determines that the catcher could not have fielded the ball without blocking the pathway of the runner   and that contact with the runner was unavoidable.
 
2014-04-15 01:53:48 PM  

tricycleracer: Matt Moore has elected to get TJ surgery and is out for a year.  Alex Cobb is out 4-6 weeks with an oblique strain, Archer got beaten like a rented mule last night, and we were hitless until the 5th inning last night.

I weep for the future.


Don't forget Hellickson is still out because of the elbow surgery. He should be back about the same time Cobb is. Sucks losing Moore for the year but he lost almost 5-6 mph off his fastball in the last 2 years. I think this injury has been around longer than we know.
 
2014-04-15 03:03:34 PM  
Some what off topic, I got to see the Trop in February, they really need a better looking stadium in Tampa Bay...
 
2014-04-15 04:34:43 PM  

mjones73: Some what off topic, I got to see the Trop in February, they really need a better looking stadium in Tampa Bay...


Fixed that for you.

And it was a 6-2-4-3-2 DP, as DoBeDoBeDo stated previously.
 
2014-04-15 08:02:30 PM  

mjones73: Some what off topic, I got to see the Trop in February, they really need a better looking stadium in Tampa Bay...


Rays need to fund it, I'm pretty sure every other team owner is tired of the Rays banking on Luxury tax and first round draft picks because they won't spend money. Won't be surprised if MLB ditches the Rays and go back to Montreal with Mark Cuban at the helm.
 
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