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(Spiegel)   $360,000 salary employees go on strike, surprised about lack of popular support   (spiegel.de) divider line 27
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2014-04-15 12:13:38 PM  
At least they do something requiring extensive training and matters to the lives of the people that fly with them.

I'd have way less sympathy if the bankers at the big USA banks tried to strike.
 
2014-04-15 12:56:50 PM  
In this day and age, it's not easy being a pilot for a commercial airline.

For one thing, there's the schedules needed to be kept and for another, there's being responsible for the passengers on board -- including the two screaming, pooping babies -- and a multi-million dollar aircraft.

Plus, they have to go through hundreds of hours of flight training and need to have thousands of hours of flight time and have to understand the confusing array of instruments facing them in the cockpit.

Even though the new passenger jets can nearly fly themselves, the pilot has to be alert enough to take over at any second, skilled enough to bring the aircraft out of any unexpected dives and accurately decide what to do if he has to crash land the thing.

He also probably knows that regulatory agencies like the FAA have requested repairs and upgrades to parts of the aircraft that have failed in others and knows his company is not going to get around to it for months or even years.

Stress, I read a couple of times, on an airline pilot can be huge. They have to be able to think quickly on their feet and learn how to operate any upgrades in the system.

They earn that yearly pay check.

After all, when something goes wrong at 30,000 feet, passengers like to have the best pilot at the controls that they can get. Plus, airlines, to bring in more money, have been reducing spaces between seats for years to pack more in and now have developed seats which resemble aluminum beach chairs. By packing people on like sardines, that causes more trouble and the Captain has to be able to handle it plus decide if he wants to risk costing the airline hundreds of thousands by delaying the takeoff to throw a passenger off or to have to detour to another airport to remove a troublesome rider.

I would not want to be a pilot on a commerial airline.
 
2014-04-15 01:42:55 PM  

Rik01: In this day and age, it's not easy being a pilot for a commercial airline.

For one thing, there's the schedules needed to be kept and for another, there's being responsible for the passengers on board -- including the two screaming, pooping babies -- and a multi-million dollar aircraft.

Plus, they have to go through hundreds of hours of flight training and need to have thousands of hours of flight time and have to understand the confusing array of instruments facing them in the cockpit.

Even though the new passenger jets can nearly fly themselves, the pilot has to be alert enough to take over at any second, skilled enough to bring the aircraft out of any unexpected dives and accurately decide what to do if he has to crash land the thing.

He also probably knows that regulatory agencies like the FAA have requested repairs and upgrades to parts of the aircraft that have failed in others and knows his company is not going to get around to it for months or even years.

Stress, I read a couple of times, on an airline pilot can be huge. They have to be able to think quickly on their feet and learn how to operate any upgrades in the system.

They earn that yearly pay check.

After all, when something goes wrong at 30,000 feet, passengers like to have the best pilot at the controls that they can get. Plus, airlines, to bring in more money, have been reducing spaces between seats for years to pack more in and now have developed seats which resemble aluminum beach chairs. By packing people on like sardines, that causes more trouble and the Captain has to be able to handle it plus decide if he wants to risk costing the airline hundreds of thousands by delaying the takeoff to throw a passenger off or to have to detour to another airport to remove a troublesome rider.

I would not want to be a pilot on a commerial airline.


Planes don't just fly themselves. That's what pilots are for. A little automation helps the operator, but doesn't come close to negating their role.
 
2014-04-15 01:48:24 PM  
Cut the journalists figures by 75% and you probably get the average salary of the group.
 
2014-04-15 01:49:37 PM  
So only low income employees can strike?
 
2014-04-15 01:53:32 PM  
At least Lufthansa knows where all their planes are.
 
2014-04-15 02:34:16 PM  
Rik01:and accurately decide what to do if he has to crash land the thing.

THAT

img.timeinc.net
 
2014-04-15 02:37:26 PM  
360k to sit in a bar, drag yourself to the plane, push button to take off, push button to fly, push button to land and then drag yourself back to the bar?
 
2014-04-15 02:44:29 PM  

Danger Mouse: So only low income employees can strike?


No, but you typically should have good reason to go on strike, else you're not likely to get a lot of support.  If you make over a quarter of a million dollars working a job, you are expected to deal with a lot of headaches for that level of compensation.

I'm not saying they don't have a case for striking.  I'm just not seeing it here.  They're angry over fund managers making too much money.  I don't see how this is affecting their work conditions, fair pay, or anything relevant to their jobs.  There was also some argument about retirement age and pension compensation, which again seems trivial and can be cleared up in a contract negotiation.
 
2014-04-15 03:07:01 PM  

Khellendros: There was also some argument about retirement age and pension compensation, which again seems trivial and can be cleared up in a contract negotiation.


Unless the corporation won't negotiate.  That's what strikes are for
The reason the won't negotiate is the greed.
The strike is the only leverage the employees have.

Seems like a justified reason for the strike to me.
The pilots pay isn't relevant to the story at all, it's plain and simple trolling.
 
2014-04-15 03:12:45 PM  

Saiga410: 360k to sit in a bar, drag yourself to the plane, push button to take off, push button to fly, push button to land and then drag yourself back to the bar?


You probably think the anesthesiologist sits in the bar, comes in injects a small amount of something into your IV line, attaches a mask and then just sits there and watches you sleep, and then turns a couple of knobs and watches you wake up and does not deserve any money for that either.

Now with that written I don't have a great deal of sympathy for the pilots on this one. The American Air pilots caused AA to have to go through a bankruptcy because they were too pig headed to realize that their pay was out of line for the industry.
 
2014-04-15 03:28:27 PM  
They must have see the Transvaginal Airline thread yesterday.
 
2014-04-15 03:34:10 PM  

Rik01: For one thing, there's the schedules needed to be kept and for another, there's being responsible for the passengers on board -- including the two screaming, pooping babies -- and a multi-million dollar aircraft.


I've been on flights with plenty of screaming babies (including my own), and never has the pilot even noticed, let alone done something about it.
 
2014-04-15 03:41:09 PM  

space1999: Rik01: For one thing, there's the schedules needed to be kept and for another, there's being responsible for the passengers on board -- including the two screaming, pooping babies -- and a multi-million dollar aircraft.

I've been on flights with plenty of screaming babies (including my own), and never has the pilot even noticed, let alone done something about it.


Pilots don't handle stuff like that. You've got to ring the buzzer and get one of the waitresses over for that.
 
2014-04-15 03:41:30 PM  

sdd2000: You probably think the anesthesiologist sits in the bar, comes in injects a small amount of something into your IV line, attaches a mask and then just sits there and watches you sleep, and then turns a couple of knobs and watches you wake up and does not deserve any money for that either.


You skipped over the molestation.
 
2014-04-15 03:43:44 PM  

Saiga410: sdd2000: You probably think the anesthesiologist sits in the bar, comes in injects a small amount of something into your IV line, attaches a mask and then just sits there and watches you sleep, and then turns a couple of knobs and watches you wake up and does not deserve any money for that either.

You skipped over the molestation.


Oh I don't think it was skipped.
 
2014-04-15 04:03:23 PM  

Rik01: In this day and age, it's not easy being a pilot for a commercial airline.

For one thing, there's the schedules needed to be kept and for another, there's being responsible for the passengers on board -- including the two screaming, pooping babies -- and a multi-million dollar aircraft.

Plus, they have to go through hundreds of hours of flight training and need to have thousands of hours of flight time and have to understand the confusing array of instruments facing them in the cockpit.

Even though the new passenger jets can nearly fly themselves, the pilot has to be alert enough to take over at any second, skilled enough to bring the aircraft out of any unexpected dives and accurately decide what to do if he has to crash land the thing.

He also probably knows that regulatory agencies like the FAA have requested repairs and upgrades to parts of the aircraft that have failed in others and knows his company is not going to get around to it for months or even years.

Stress, I read a couple of times, on an airline pilot can be huge. They have to be able to think quickly on their feet and learn how to operate any upgrades in the system.

They earn that yearly pay check.

After all, when something goes wrong at 30,000 feet, passengers like to have the best pilot at the controls that they can get. Plus, airlines, to bring in more money, have been reducing spaces between seats for years to pack more in and now have developed seats which resemble aluminum beach chairs. By packing people on like sardines, that causes more trouble and the Captain has to be able to handle it plus decide if he wants to risk costing the airline hundreds of thousands by delaying the takeoff to throw a passenger off or to have to detour to another airport to remove a troublesome rider.

I would not want to be a pilot on a commerial airline


phew, for a second I thought you were talking about bus drivers.
 
2014-04-15 04:05:21 PM  

Saiga410: 360k to sit in a bar, drag yourself to the plane, push button to take off, push button to fly, push button to land and then drag yourself back to the bar?


This. The fact is that pilots are a dying breed anyway. The truth is that computers will take over and the human being will go away.

sdd2000: You probably think the anesthesiologist sits in the bar, comes in injects a small amount of something into your IV line, attaches a mask and then just sits there and watches you sleep, and then turns a couple of knobs and watches you wake up and does not deserve any money for that either.


That's a terrible analogy. For one, every human being is different (size, weight etc.) but most pilots fly only one type of plane at the same time. Second, almost everything that a pilot does these days is redundant to a computer.

lordargent: Rik01:and accurately decide what to do if he has to crash land the thing.

THAT

[img.timeinc.net image 611x404]


And for every Scully I can find you ten pilots whose stupidity put the plane into the dirt.
 
2014-04-15 04:08:46 PM  

worlddan: And for every Scully Sully I can find you ten pilots whose stupidity put the plane into the dirt.


I honestly wonder what the net total is between lives saved due to pilot skill versus lives lost due to pilot error.
 
kab
2014-04-15 04:20:36 PM  
Either subby didn't read the article, or is unable to differentiate between 'can make up to' and 'they all make'
 
2014-04-15 04:28:41 PM  

SphericalTime: At least they do something requiring extensive training and matters to the lives of the people that fly with them.

I'd have way less sympathy if the bankers at the big USA banks tried to strike.


Exactly and a pilot of a plane should make 10 times more than a bus driver, even thinking that's a disparaging remark is stupid.
 
2014-04-15 04:48:29 PM  

ds615: Unless the corporation won't negotiate. That's what strikes are for
The reason the won't negotiate is the greed.
The strike is the only leverage the employees have.

Seems like a justified reason for the strike to me.
The pilots pay isn't relevant to the story at all, it's plain and simple trolling.


You're assuming they won't negotiate, there's no evidence that they won't.  And striking isn't their only leverage.  Public appeal affects stock prices, and bad press goes a long way towards moving the needle, particularly in a publicly traded company.

And how does this seem justified?  They make a boat load of money as pilots.  These aren't unskilled laborers incapable of fighting for market wage.  They are top percent earners worldwide.  The company is looking at cutting part of one benefit for people who leave the company early.  Yes, it's unfortunate, but it's not hurting a set of vulnerable employees.
 
2014-04-15 06:33:56 PM  
"Ninety-nine Lufthansa loons ..."

eil.com

/enjoy the earworm
//and trying to guess the lyrics
///got nuthin
 
2014-04-15 07:15:50 PM  
NObody? Nobody is going to point to the elephant in the room?

cdn1.spiegel.de

Seems like a FAR more interesting topic... Discuss.
 
2014-04-15 07:42:23 PM  

Khellendros: The company is looking at cutting part of one benefit for people who leave the company early.  Yes, it's unfortunate, but it's not hurting a set of vulnerable employees.


Second this.  It must be terrible to be making that much money and expected to actually work until a full retirement age.
 
2014-04-16 09:36:30 AM  

Danger Mouse: So only low income employees can strike?


No. No one can strike.

It doesn't matter whether you're baking Twinkies for $12/hour or scoring touchdowns for $20M/year, the media has orders to savage you if you ask for a penny more. Only owners are allowed to be greedy.
 
2014-04-16 10:56:53 AM  

Saiga410: 360k to sit in a bar, drag yourself to the plane, push button to take off, push button to fly, push button to land and then drag yourself back to the bar?


And don't forget their constant need to hassle me about turning off my iPhone while they are surrounded by countless pieces of electronics. And yet, somehow the mega-bus guy has no issues with his boombox blaring.
 
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