OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".
Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]
fusillade762: So this is the oh-so-credible nugget we're going to launch another Bundy thread with?Are the chicks in question at least hot?
doglover: Publikwerks: It was something people knew how to do.To be fair, if you haven't used a Japanese toilet, using the john seems obvious.[farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x375]
Spanky McStupid: If this is true, this makes the Bundy people no better than Al Quida (or however the hell that bunch spells their organization's name.)
cryptonomiciosis: Al Queso?
WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.
TheGogmagog: gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it. I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation."Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."/Shiat just got real.I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on. The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report. I'll take his word on that one.From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land. I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule. I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top. Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video. The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.
doglover: my opinion of the US government is very similar to one the Picts might have had of the Romans
notto: argument against Bundy is very consistent with the Occupy arguments against banks. Bundy wants to make the risk public by grazing public lands without paying fees or without limits or oversight while making the profits private. You are paying for the services this well off businessman is using without seeing any of the profits
Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.
doglover: nd quite frankly anyone who's never fought a woman doesn't even know the meaning of courage.
MrBallou: I wonder what these people think GWB would have done if he were in charge.
Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?
HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense. Especially if they are unarmed. Make the other side look like the bad guys.To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.
namegoeshere: OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".I keep seeing "Bunny Ranch."
CRtwenty: Man, if these guys lost Glenn Beck who do they have left?
Fista-Phobia: ciberido: I've noticed a very real correlation between those who uncritically accept looney conspiracy theories, and people who don't seem to understand the difference between a turtle and a tortoise. The words are not synonyms.They're just contrarians . The Opposite People.
hardinparamedic: realistrabbit: Second, if this is about BLM land fees, why did it happen now? why wait 20yrs? I know the courts are slow, but not that slow. If I don't pay my taxes you can bet it won't take 20yrs for them to take everything I own.1. They're not taxes. They're land use fees. Totally different animal.2. It took them 20 years because he's been stalling them in local, state, and federal court. The seizure order came after he disobeyed a federal appeals court order to stop using the land.realistrabbit: Third, Senator Reid, I know there have been some theories thrown around accusing him with faulty logic, but why is he throwing his two cents into the ring, claiming "it's not over"? Is he just trying to cause trouble? Doesn't he realize he's not law enforcement, he's not the governer, and it's none of his business?The Senator Reid conspiracy theory has been debunked numerous times on FARK and elsewhere. He is, however, a senator from Nevada, and thus a representative of that state.
randomjsa: By the way if liberals really believed in the things they claim to, they would be supporting the Bundy Ranch. but liberals don't actually believe the things they claim to.
thaylin: settlements do not imply guilt dude,
This text is now purple: Felgraf: Occupy protestors: Frustrated (Among other things) that banks were allowed to socialize the costs/risks of their business,while keeping the profits to themselves.This guy: Pissed that the government is trying to keep him from socializing the costs of his business (Grazing on public lands without paying) while keeping the profit to himself.Yes. You're right.They're TOTALLY the same.That actually is a similar complaint. Bundy's problem is that the government wants to prevent him from socializing some of his costs for private profit, so it can instead confer that onto a large (and richer) group.This is pretty much the same beef the Occupy protestors had -- "why can they do it, but not me?"
lantawa: No, that's your nightmare fantasy of what such remedy may look like. I'm sorry that you're so afraid of the scary white men. Look to love and unity, tradition and honor, peace and harmony, self-sufficiency (or the best efforts towards it) and dignity, honesty and trustworthiness; all of these, as the preferred "remedy" that these people and other healthy-minded people think of as being the correct paths to follow, and be extended, in life. Force, for them should always be, and is, a last resort.
dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense. Especially if they are unarmed. Make the other side look like the bad guys.To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street. In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children."It's not bad when *WE* do it!".
notto: Nutsac_Jim:Undocumented democrats flowing across the border, costing billions?[vote29.com image 409x265]Actually, that picture is from during the Bush years.
Satanic_Hamster: ciberido: On the plus side, there have been several people for whom I hold more respect than than I did before this whole Bundy thing hit Fark. Mainly people whom I had marked down as right wing nutjobs who have demonstrated that, while their politics may differ greatly from mine, are not the complete idiots I had feared they were.Unless, however, they're running the OTHER troll accounts and want to build up the cred of their OTHER troll accounts by not being TOTALLY insane.
ciberido: On the plus side, there have been several people for whom I hold more respect than than I did before this whole Bundy thing hit Fark. Mainly people whom I had marked down as right wing nutjobs who have demonstrated that, while their politics may differ greatly from mine, are not the complete idiots I had feared they were.
Publikwerks: We have a system in place for dealing with government overreach. Yes, armed rebellion can be part of it, but it should be the last step.
Sgt Otter: jntaylor63:What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting. This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes. Isn't this guy a moocher? A taker?I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.[crasstalk.com image 500x267]It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.
Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?
neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:Google cacheNon-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.He does not read what they far right tells him..My reading is fine, your comprehension not so much.Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...So again, your comprehension sucks.Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?
neversubmit: Wouldn't have been great if these guys had shown up to OWS? The bankers would still be cleaning out their shorts.
Maud Dib: Cold_Sassy:I can think of a LOT of other "Americans" that don't pay taxes who deal drugs, take drugs, join gangs, sit around on their a*s all day and see how many women they can knock up. How is this guy any worse?Holy sh#tballs. I've been assured by Drew that there are no racists on Fark.com, it's only people with different opinions and furthermore comma
lantawa: Reid the rules. That's all you need to know or do, tax slaves.
Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.
Publikwerks: It was something people knew how to do.
Mrbogey: Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.
Danger Mouse: However the Feds sending in armed rangers, helicopters and seizing the cattle seemed a bit of overreach, no? Esp. so when they had no one to take the cattle and it looked like the cattle would be harmed.
Muta: There's a 1000 people standing out in the desert supporting this free loader? Don't these people have jobs?
Pick: This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.
natas6.0: I want to say this is what got people to remove the american royalty and start overbut it won'tjust a little group of people who work with their hands,discredited by the information machine that feeds us.and they'll lose
doglover: It's how you beat the US. You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful. But they're HIGHLY vulnerable to bad press and pretty bipolar of government.You just have make the problem thorny enough for them to back down or do something stupid. When they do either, the little guy can win. That's how the Taliban has been fighting the war Afganistan. Sure, we've got military superiority in the field, but they basically control the country no matter what we do because the country wants them. We kill one, two more pop up to avenge him a little later.It's the same thing here. The women are just as batshiat crazy anti-govenment as the men. The difference is that if a few of them get shot, the whole country will rise up against the BLM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THEIR(the women's) FAULT THEY WERE EVEN AT THE STUPID RANCH, and Bundy might just win his retarded little war.Now there's various ways to counter all this without it coming to bloodshed, but if the BLM is as bungling as the ATF, don't be surprised if they're not even tried. But you have to give them militia people props. They know what their odds are.
Deep Contact: Militia propaganda. They learned from the best.
vpb: dittybopper:Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street. In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children."It's not bad when *WE* do it!".Yes, having women and children protest is exactly the same as using women and children as human shields in a shootout.
Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.
Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,
jntaylor63: What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting. This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.
TuteTibiImperes: The Blaze is usually pretty suspect when it comes to accuracy of reporting, but if they're going to call out a conservative group for being a bunch of calculating cowards, I'll tend to believe them. It's against their agenda to make the Bundy folks look bad, so I can't see any reason why they'd make that up.
jntaylor63: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.THIS.File tax leans, cut off whatever AG support he can file for, seize his bank accounts.What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting. This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes. Isn't this guy a moocher? A taker?
dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense. Especially if they are unarmed. Make the other side look like the bad guys.
The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".
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