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(Talking Points Memo)   Bundy Ranch 'militia' had strict women-first policy...in case of firefights with federal agency officers   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 78
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2014-04-15 07:21:07 AM  
10 votes:

OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".


I keep seeing "Bunny Ranch."
2014-04-15 07:00:43 AM  
6 votes:
I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".
2014-04-15 09:32:34 AM  
5 votes:
It's assholes like these that make the dozens of responsible gun owners in this country look bad.
2014-04-15 07:59:00 AM  
5 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]
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Of course. When someone gets a freebie for twenty years, they become dependent on it, and see it as an entitlement.
2014-04-15 07:18:28 AM  
5 votes:

fusillade762: So this is the oh-so-credible nugget we're going to launch another Bundy thread with?

Are the chicks in question at least hot?


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/You decide.
2014-04-15 10:38:23 AM  
4 votes:

doglover: Publikwerks: It was something people knew how to do.

To be fair, if you haven't used a Japanese toilet, using the john seems obvious.

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x375]


Just rotate it 90 degrees, and it makes a good urinal.

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2014-04-15 07:49:53 AM  
4 votes:

Spanky McStupid: If this is true, this makes the Bundy people no better than Al Quida (or however the hell that bunch spells their organization's name.)


Al Queso?
2014-04-15 07:35:45 AM  
4 votes:
What the hell does a brothel need a militia for?
2014-04-16 01:03:29 AM  
3 votes:
Classic.

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2014-04-15 08:48:39 AM  
3 votes:

cryptonomiciosis: Al Queso?


Al Bundhi
2014-04-15 08:11:21 AM  
3 votes:

WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.


Unfortunatley, no. The Federal Goverment is pretty much here to stay.
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2014-04-15 07:54:30 AM  
3 votes:
America is finally seeing how the obama administration treats citizens. 12 million illegal immigrants in the country, no problem. A rancher letting his cows eat some grass and It's time to send in the troops. It's disgusting how quickly barry will send storm troopers and snipers to harass and threaten American Citizens.
Why do democrats hate hard working Americans so much?
2014-04-15 11:21:15 AM  
2 votes:
Republican has cows eating grass

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Undocumented democrats flowing across the border, costing billions?
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2014-04-15 10:57:26 AM  
2 votes:
jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

crasstalk.com

It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.
2014-04-15 10:30:54 AM  
2 votes:

TheGogmagog: gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.

I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on.  The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report.  I'll take his word on that one.

From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land.  I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule.  I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top.  Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.

They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.

I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video.  The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.


Good Rule
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2014-04-15 09:22:46 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: my opinion of the US government is very similar to one the Picts might have had of the Romans

How long have you had that one in the chamber Captain Fedora?
2014-04-15 09:12:09 AM  
2 votes:
This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.
2014-04-15 09:10:27 AM  
2 votes:

notto: argument against Bundy is very consistent with the Occupy arguments against banks.  Bundy wants to make the risk public by grazing public lands without paying fees or without limits or oversight while making the profits private.  You are paying for the services this well off businessman is using without seeing any of the profits


Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.

When Occupy was defended for taking over public land, the response was "that's what civil disobedience is". Yet here we are with the same folks outraged that someone is breaking the rules until the rules treat him fairly.
2014-04-15 08:46:54 AM  
2 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]

What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.


2/12  You get a gold star, but everyone gets a gold star today, just for trying.
2014-04-15 08:45:55 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: nd quite frankly anyone who's never fought a woman doesn't even know the meaning of courage.

So do you fight women often?
2014-04-15 08:33:10 AM  
2 votes:
Why is Glenn Beck so upset with these guys? Aren't they dead center of his target demographic?

Did Bundy come out and say that Goldline is a scam? Was Beck planning on irrigating the desert with tears?
2014-04-15 08:03:41 AM  
2 votes:

MrBallou: I wonder what these people think GWB would have done if he were in charge.


Said "Mission Accomplished" on the deck of a carrier, and then knocked off a portrait of Putin before a nice nap.
2014-04-15 07:51:56 AM  
2 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".

Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?


War hasn't actually changed at all in the fundamentals. Be it ants, chimps, or humans in any epoch, the fundamentals remain the same. That's why Starcraft, the US military, and the Mongols all use the Zerg Rush.
2014-04-15 07:47:43 AM  
2 votes:
Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.
2014-04-15 07:45:01 AM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.


Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".
2014-04-15 07:43:32 AM  
2 votes:

namegoeshere: OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".

I keep seeing "Bunny Ranch."


Jefferson: You're a Bundy and if you put a D where the N is, you're a buddy. 
Al: And if you put an N where the D is, I'm a bunny. What's your point?
2014-04-15 07:30:50 AM  
2 votes:

CRtwenty: Man, if these guys lost Glenn Beck who do they have left?


AR-15 manufacturers and army surplus supply stores?
2014-04-16 01:57:58 AM  
1 votes:

Fista-Phobia: ciberido: I've noticed a very real correlation between those who uncritically accept looney conspiracy theories, and people who don't seem to understand the difference between a turtle and a tortoise. The words are not synonyms.

They're just contrarians . The Opposite People.


No, they're not.
2014-04-15 08:12:53 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: realistrabbit: Second, if this is about BLM land fees, why did it happen now? why wait 20yrs? I know the courts are slow, but not that slow. If I don't pay my taxes you can bet it won't take 20yrs for them to take everything I own.

1. They're not taxes. They're land use fees. Totally different animal.
2. It took them 20 years because he's been stalling them in local, state, and federal court. The seizure order came after he disobeyed a federal appeals court order to stop using the land.

realistrabbit: Third, Senator Reid, I know there have been some theories thrown around accusing him with faulty logic, but why is he throwing his two cents into the ring, claiming "it's not over"? Is he just trying to cause trouble? Doesn't he realize he's not law enforcement, he's not the governer, and it's none of his business?

The Senator Reid conspiracy theory has been debunked numerous times on FARK and elsewhere. He is, however, a senator from Nevada, and thus a representative of that state.


I know they are different, I was just making the point that as slow as the courts are, they aren't that slow.

And as I pointed out, I know the Reid theory has been debunked, and I know he is a rep from NV, but that is beside the point. He is a Senator, not a governor, not a judge, not even blm or law enforcement. So where does he get the authority to claim it's not over when everyone else said it was? It has nothing to do with him and he legally has no say in it. It just sounds to me like he was trying to play off his being named in the conspiracy theory to stir up more trouble. Being in his position as long as he has, he knows good and well the power of suggestion.
2014-04-15 04:48:01 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa:
By the way if liberals really believed in the things they claim to, they would be supporting the Bundy Ranch. but liberals don't actually believe the things they claim to.


Trespassing cows are not an essential part of Liberalism.
2014-04-15 02:43:40 PM  
1 votes:

thaylin: settlements do not imply guilt dude,


If you would have read the article, the settlement was there to keep more dirt on the US Government's handling of this situation from coming to light.
2014-04-15 02:10:57 PM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: Felgraf: Occupy protestors: Frustrated (Among other things) that banks were allowed to socialize the costs/risks of their business,while keeping the profits to themselves.

This guy: Pissed that the government is trying to keep him from socializing the costs of his business (Grazing on public lands without paying) while keeping the profit to himself.

Yes. You're right.They're TOTALLY the same.

That actually is a similar complaint. Bundy's problem is that the government wants to prevent him from socializing some of his costs for private profit, so it can instead confer that onto a large (and richer) group.

This is pretty much the same beef the Occupy protestors had -- "why can they do it, but not me?"




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2014-04-15 01:09:01 PM  
1 votes:

lantawa: No, that's your nightmare fantasy of what such remedy may look like. I'm sorry that you're so afraid of the scary white men. Look to love and unity, tradition and honor, peace and harmony, self-sufficiency (or the best efforts towards it) and dignity, honesty and trustworthiness; all of these, as the preferred "remedy" that these people and other healthy-minded people think of as being the correct paths to follow, and be extended, in life. Force, for them should always be, and is, a last resort.


This isn't Colorado, pal. It's the internets. Take your opium-induced reverie back to Canada where it belongs.
2014-04-15 12:52:28 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.

Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".


Yeah, because this is exactly like OWS. Seriously, one of your 'scripts may have turned. Check the date...

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2014-04-15 12:43:28 PM  
1 votes:

notto: Nutsac_Jim:

Undocumented democrats flowing across the border, costing billions?
[vote29.com image 409x265]

Actually, that picture is from during the Bush years.


www.350z-tech.com
2014-04-15 12:36:09 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: ciberido: On the plus side, there have been several people for whom I hold more respect than than I did before this whole Bundy thing hit Fark. Mainly people whom I had marked down as right wing nutjobs who have demonstrated that, while their politics may differ greatly from mine, are not the complete idiots I had feared they were.

Unless, however, they're running the OTHER troll accounts and want to build up the cred of their OTHER troll accounts by not being TOTALLY insane.


Now you're just being paranoid.
2014-04-15 12:29:28 PM  
1 votes:

ciberido: On the plus side, there have been several people for whom I hold more respect than than I did before this whole Bundy thing hit Fark. Mainly people whom I had marked down as right wing nutjobs who have demonstrated that, while their politics may differ greatly from mine, are not the complete idiots I had feared they were.


Unless, however, they're running the OTHER troll accounts and want to build up the cred of their OTHER troll accounts by not being TOTALLY insane.
2014-04-15 11:35:20 AM  
1 votes:

Publikwerks: We have a system in place for dealing with government overreach. Yes, armed rebellion can be part of it, but it should be the last step.


Is the second amendment the last amendment? No? Check and mate, hippie.
2014-04-15 11:35:06 AM  
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

[crasstalk.com image 500x267]

It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.


There should be a law making it legal to run anyone with a plate like that off the road, then beat them to death with a tire iron.
2014-04-15 11:07:22 AM  
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?


For the love of god, they aren't cannibals! Plus, cows are delicious.
2014-04-15 10:57:52 AM  
1 votes:

neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?



For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...
2014-04-15 10:52:43 AM  
1 votes:
So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.
2014-04-15 10:20:36 AM  
1 votes:
Cliven Bundy's cattle will be taken into custody at a minimal monetary expenditure. Total operation cost: 134 thousand credits under budget. Congratulations. Be efficient, be happy.
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2014-04-15 10:09:32 AM  
1 votes:

neversubmit: Wouldn't have been great if these guys had shown up to OWS? The bankers would still be cleaning out their shorts.


They would never do anything to harm the benevolent, beneficent, honorable, holy, mom-and-pop multinational corporations that the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebil gubmint is keeping down with their 0% effective tax rates and burdensome regulations like "don't dump your toxic waste into the river"...
2014-04-15 09:50:36 AM  
1 votes:
As usual, Chick has the answer.
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heh-"phony calls"
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2014-04-15 09:33:43 AM  
1 votes:

Maud Dib: Cold_Sassy:

I can think of a LOT of other "Americans" that don't pay taxes who deal drugs, take drugs, join gangs,  sit around on their a*s all day and see how many women they can knock up.  How is this guy any worse?

Holy sh#tballs. I've been assured by Drew that there are no racists on Fark.com, it's only people with different opinions and furthermore comma


It might not be a race thing. Cold_Sassy may just be referring to his/her friends and family.
2014-04-15 09:29:53 AM  
1 votes:

lantawa: Reid the rules.  That's all you need to know or do, tax slaves.


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I think we need a drinking game.  Everyone take a swig when called "tax slave."
2014-04-15 09:26:53 AM  
1 votes:

Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.


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2014-04-15 09:24:52 AM  
1 votes:

Publikwerks: It was something people knew how to do.


To be fair, if you haven't used a Japanese toilet, using the john seems obvious.

farm1.staticflickr.com

Try this on for size. Too difficult, okay, here's one. Hope you have your pilot's license:

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2014-04-15 09:22:39 AM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.


Yeah, well, guess what? If I pay my rent to my dentist because I think my landlord's an asshole, HE CAN STILL EVICT ME.

Danger Mouse: However the Feds sending in armed rangers, helicopters and seizing the cattle seemed a bit of overreach, no? Esp. so when they had no one to take the cattle and it looked like the cattle would be harmed.


They seized cattle that was on their lands. If I park my car on your front lawn, am I allowed to come and threaten to shoot you/the tow truck if you have it towed?
2014-04-15 09:22:13 AM  
1 votes:

Muta: There's a 1000 people standing out in the desert supporting this free loader?  Don't these people have jobs?


I would estimate between 70-80% of them are social security disability for health issues directly related to being obese.
2014-04-15 09:21:59 AM  
1 votes:
Lee451:

His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.

You really want to use that argument in Nevada?
2014-04-15 09:15:55 AM  
1 votes:

Pick: This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.

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2014-04-15 09:12:35 AM  
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".

Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?


That's crazy.  Nobody has enough stamps to mail one hundred thousand troops, and even if they did, you know they'd arrive mangled or late.
2014-04-15 09:11:08 AM  
1 votes:

natas6.0: I want to say this is what got people to remove the american royalty and start over
but it won't
just a little group of people who work with their hands,
discredited by the information machine that feeds us.
and they'll lose


That's a terrible limerick.
2014-04-15 09:08:14 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: It's how you beat the US. You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful. But they're HIGHLY vulnerable to bad press and pretty bipolar of government.

You just have make the problem thorny enough for them to back down or do something stupid. When they do either, the little guy can win. That's how the Taliban has been fighting the war Afganistan. Sure, we've got military superiority in the field, but they basically control the country no matter what we do because the country wants them. We kill one, two more pop up to avenge him a little later.

It's the same thing here. The women are just as batshiat crazy anti-govenment as the men. The difference is that if a few of them get shot, the whole country will rise up against the BLM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THEIR(the women's) FAULT THEY WERE EVEN AT THE STUPID RANCH, and Bundy might just win his retarded little war.

Now there's various ways to counter all this without it coming to bloodshed, but if the BLM is as bungling as the ATF, don't be surprised if they're not even tried. But you have to give them militia people props. They know what their odds are.


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2014-04-15 09:02:35 AM  
1 votes:
They're freaking cows. They do what they want.
2014-04-15 08:48:40 AM  
1 votes:
The best part of all of this is watching the "99%" Occupy supporters ready to kill someone who won't pay money to a group of select folks who used the past fees to run the people off their land.And the Left in America wonders why Right wingers want guns. All their talk of peace and human rights is akin to smiling at and sweet talking a dog till you get a big enough rock to smash its head in.
2014-04-15 08:38:26 AM  
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]


What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.
2014-04-15 08:17:12 AM  
1 votes:

Deep Contact: Militia propaganda. They learned from the best.


Yep. Rules for radicals, Saul Alynski. Patton read Rommel's book also.
2014-04-15 08:16:04 AM  
1 votes:
Put a lien on everything he owns, get the money back. Then he can rebuild honestly, like the bootstrappy sovereign citizen he is.
2014-04-15 08:09:47 AM  
1 votes:
Felgraf:

Should people just not have to follow laws they don't feel like following?

Well, yeah, that precedent has been set. It flows from the top.

kaystreet.files.wordpress.com

"There is a vast amount of discretion that a president has - and, more specifically, that an attorney general has,"     -  Eric Holder

Laws are for suckers.
2014-04-15 08:05:47 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: dittybopper:

Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".

Yes, having women and children protest is exactly the same as using women and children as human shields in a shootout.


What's the difference, really?  It's the other side that *ALWAYS* has guns.  But because they're *GOVERNMENT* guns, they're always good, right?  Because the police would *NEVER* shoot unarmed people.

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And I want to point this out for emphasis because apparently some of you can't read:

TFA SAYS THEY MERELY CONSIDERED IT AS AN OPTION, NOT THAT THEY NECESSARILY IMPLEMENTED IT.


That's not to say I'm 100% sympathetic to the people down there.  I go back and forth on it*, but I'm intellectually honest enough to recognize that the visuals of seeing women and children getting shot by federal agents would look very, very, very bad for the government on TV.

Doesn't matter if you agree with the strategy or not, from a public relations standpoint, if things had gone all pear-shaped, it would have made the government look bad.  You may not like the people who thought of it, and you might think they are in the wrong, but you can't argue that fact.


*On the one hand, the government tried to basically put him out of business, reducing the head he could graze on that land from 1,000 to 150.  Think about how you'd feel if the government said you were no longer allowed to work 40 hours a week, just 6 hours, and that you weren't getting any compensation for the lost wages.  That's why he stopped paying the fees.  On the other hand, he could have kept grazing the 1,000 head there, ignoring the restriction, and kept paying the fees, which I think would put him in arguably a better position, especially if he could point to data that showed that over the 20 years, the desert tortoise population there remained stable or increased.  So I'm not sure I agree with what the guy did, and knowing that, I certainly wouldn't have hauled my ass out there to support him.
2014-04-15 08:04:11 AM  
1 votes:
Reid the rules.  That's all you need to know or do, tax slaves.
2014-04-15 08:01:35 AM  
1 votes:

MrBallou: I wonder what these people think GWB would have done if he were in charge.


fark-all, apparently, if this mess has been going on for 20 years.
2014-04-15 07:59:51 AM  
1 votes:
JohnnyC:  Most of those kinds of folks "don't recognize the court" (including this Bundy guy). Sovereign citizens... gold fringe flag conspiracies about "admiralty courts"... and all that other nonsense. We're talking about people who aren't really operating in the same plane of reality that the rest of us are. They're not thinking about court... they're thinking that if they can get the fed to start the firefight that somehow it'll end with them burning the White House to the ground and forming some new government under their rule.

That's what I think is awesome about this whole thing. Bundy doesn't recognize the authority of the BLM and his supports don't recognize the authority of the federal government. But the federal government doesn't care whether or not you "recognize" their authority. They're going to subject you to it anyway. You can biatch and moan and cry and stamp your feet all you want while you're sitting in a federal court in leg irons waiting for you sentence. P. Barnes doesn't care if you don't think your subject to the laws of the federal government and his taser certainly doesn't, as well. Better yet, ask Tim McVeigh how well trying to start a war worked out for him.
2014-04-15 07:59:14 AM  
1 votes:

OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".


March, march, march?
2014-04-15 07:56:24 AM  
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Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.


The blog you copied and pasted this from sucks.  Was it yours?
2014-04-15 07:54:50 AM  
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Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,


And if he wore hot pants on Tuesdays we'd all be dying our hair purple.  Your point?
2014-04-15 07:52:42 AM  
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jntaylor63: What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting. This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.


That right there would be why he's a hero to the right, as they seem to think all taxes are theft.

TuteTibiImperes: The Blaze is usually pretty suspect when it comes to accuracy of reporting, but if they're going to call out a conservative group for being a bunch of calculating cowards, I'll tend to believe them. It's against their agenda to make the Bundy folks look bad, so I can't see any reason why they'd make that up.


Ironically, using women and children as shields was something MOVE did here in Philadelphia and Jim Jones did in Guyana.  Also, the Branch Davidians at Waco, but I'm betting money it's a technique developed on the political Left.
2014-04-15 07:47:45 AM  
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dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.

Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".


I don't recall anyone in OWS being armed and threatening to shoot federal employees while hiding behind women. You're a farking lunatic.
2014-04-15 07:40:18 AM  
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jntaylor63: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.

THIS.

File tax leans, cut off whatever AG support he can file for, seize his bank accounts.

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?


He's white
2014-04-15 07:34:53 AM  
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Refusing to shoot women on the front lines would be sexist.
2014-04-15 07:34:50 AM  
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dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.


To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.
2014-04-15 07:34:13 AM  
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2014-04-15 07:22:36 AM  
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Deep Contact: Militia propaganda. They learned from the best.


They learned it from *YOU*, Dad.  They learned it from you.
2014-04-15 07:21:26 AM  
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The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".


Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?
2014-04-15 07:09:06 AM  
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