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2014-04-15 11:07:22 AM

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?


For the love of god, they aren't cannibals! Plus, cows are delicious.
 
2014-04-15 11:08:24 AM

reubendaley: Felgraf: way south: Even if it means having extreme patience and suffering the company of idiots for a few years. Its better than a shootout.

It took two decades to get to this point.

Exactly how much patience should they have?

Should people just not have to follow laws they don't feel like following?

If you and I let someone continue to take advantage of us, we eventually lose our right to compensation. I still don't know whether Bundy was a tenant or a trespasser but unlike the BLM, private citizens lose the right to seek damages after a period of time (Statute of Limitations, typically 3 years). If Bundy had done the same thing to another private landowner, I doubt that the private citizen would have stood by idly like the BLM appears to have done. So while Bundy may be in the wrong, this seems to be yet another example of government ineptitude. If Bundy was in violation of BLM rules, whose job was it to know it, whose job was it to deal with it once it was known or should have been known, and why didn't they do their job? If I don't do my job I don't have a job. If government is going to undertake to do a job, shouldn't they be held to the same standards as the citizens?


Let me ask you something?  If someone commits welfare fraud does it bother you?   If that person gets away with it for 3 years should it no longer be considered a crime?  What about illegal immigrants?  If they've managed to live here for 3 years would you grant them green cards?  What about the state of Tennessee's failure to process rape kits?  Doe that gov't incompetence turn those rapes into non-crimes?  Your support of Bundy is just as ridiculous.  You and I and our children are the victims of Bundy's welfare fraud.  Why don't you want him to pay up?
 
2014-04-15 11:08:30 AM

Felgraf: Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

Oh christ this lie again?

No.
A) The Chinese group pulled out. IN 2013

B) The proposed site was *TWO HUNDRED MILES AWAY*

C) The issue with Bundy HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO DECADES.

People are playing you for a fool, and you're falling into their hands.


Everything the nut sac posted was copy pasta from some shiatty derp blog I read yesterday. So, yeah...he's beyond falling into their hands...he's crawled up their ass and is spewing out their mouth piece.
 
2014-04-15 11:09:16 AM

Sgt Otter: jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

[crasstalk.com image 500x267]

It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.


This has been mentioned before, but it still amazes me; it's as though they think those words are magic spells. Say the right words in the right order, and they have to let you go. It's like a Jedi mind trick. They go to these conferences, and they are taught this nonsense, and they believe it. You wonder if they genuinely believe that stepping on a crack will break their mother's back.
 
2014-04-15 11:09:50 AM

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?


Do you ask a repo man why he's arresting your truck when you're not paying for it?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

If there were, this would already be resolved. Instead, he's being a terrorist-level dick about it, and I think he needs to be treated accordingly.
 
2014-04-15 11:10:27 AM

Truther: ///these folks believe that the government was being tyrannical with the excessive show of force


At some point you have to understand that the nutjob with a gun "fighting tyranny" is just another asshole robbing a bank or a crazy person that thinks the passers-by on the street are alien invaders that MUST. BE. STOPPED.

You have to deal with them. You cannot just allow public trust and safety to be compromised because some crazy farker didn't take his meds. If they have a gun and they shoot, it is going to end poorly for them.

This guy is a nut and he's attracted a pile of other nuts and they're all armed.

Should the government just cede control over that land without compensation to crazy rancher guy?
Should the government simply remove his cattle?
What happens when they go to remove his cattle and the rancher's friends pull out guns? That's what has happened here.

If you cede the territory, why would anyone read that as anything other than a message to simply take what you will, knowing that the government won't or can't resist your land grabs? What if I decide my neighbor's land looks good, what is the difference between me taking that and this guy taking that plot?
 
2014-04-15 11:10:48 AM
Danger Mouse:

Why wouldn't you arrest Bundy? Trying to conficaste the cattle seems...dumb. It's not like repossessing a car.

wouldn't you arrange a court date, if he doesn't show, then a warrent is issued? This seems like a farked up way to handle non payment of taxes, no?


They are removing cattle from federal land land - it's more like towing a car that has been parked overnight on a public street illegally.

This isn't just a  tax issue.    You can't graze your cattle in the public square.  They will be removed.

Do you think that you would have the right to just go ahead and start grazing cattle on any public property you wish?  If you did, would that just be a tax issue?

You seem to be building a strawman to knock down.  You seem to be the only one who considers this a tax issue.  Even Bundy doesn't believe it is.
 
2014-04-15 11:10:51 AM

untaken_name: TuteTibiImperes: The Blaze is usually pretty suspect when it comes to accuracy of reporting, but if they're going to call out a conservative group for being a bunch of calculating cowards, I'll tend to believe them.

Good ol' confirmation bias. They're not trustworthy unless they agree with your preconceived notions. Interesting. Besides, I keep hearing how women shouldn't be kept from front-line combat. TheBlaze is just less misogynistic than you are, with your assumptions that women would obviously be worse at gunfighting than men. Sexist.


FTA:  "If they are going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers."

Yep, sounds to me like they're putting the women up front because they're just as good at gun fighting as men, and not to exploit them in any way.
 
2014-04-15 11:11:48 AM

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.


They'll summon Bundy to court once his cattle trespass again.

Regardless of whether or not If Bundy is dumb enough to show up, they'll find him in contempt, and arrest him.

He's smart enough to not show up though, unless he really believes the sovereign citizen crap and thinks they can't actually arrest him.
 
2014-04-15 11:11:48 AM

Danger Mouse: notto: Danger Mouse:

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

There are but Bundy ignored all of them.    He is responsible for the escalation and created the standoff.

Why wouldn't you arrest Bundy? Trying to conficaste the cattle seems...dumb. It's not like repossessing a car.

wouldn't you arrange a court date, if he doesn't show, then a warrent is issued? This seems like a farked up way to handle non payment of taxes, no?


Confiscation of property is sort of the next step. And in fairness, it's long overdue at this point. It is EXACTLY like taking a car to an impound yard. He has been parking his cows on Federal land for a long ass while, and unlike the car which is just taking up space, the cows have been impacting Federal lands and operations of Federal lands for some time, and without license. He could have paid for his grazing rights, and been fine, but instead, he's created his own mythos of the Brave Pioneer, despite the fact that he's a cattleman who's been using Federal lands to fatten his cattle, as opposed to using his own lands. He's been mooching for some time, and now that the bill comes due, and with interest, NOW he's upset because he doesn't like the tune--but he's been dancing for some time now, hasn't he?
 
2014-04-15 11:12:09 AM
As I understand it, the rancher refused to sign a voluntary contract 20 years ago regarding public use land.  The government didn't have a leg to stand on for 20 years because he hadn't signed that contract and they knew that so there was no issue...for 20 years.  UNTIL a private company was interested in purchasing the land and the government needed to get his cattle off the property in order to make the sale.

This is a question of government being able to bully private citizens in order to make their cronies big bucks in back room deals.

It doesn't matter if it's KBR or Al Jazeerah or Solara or Enron.

The longer people keep buying into the "sides" argument, the longer those running "the show" can keep doing whatever the hell they want.

When the Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party people wake up and understand they've been played from the start and they're actually against the same thing:  people abusing the system.

The only "side" that should matter is whether you have a government that represents the people and not its own buddies and self sustainment.
 
2014-04-15 11:13:27 AM
I've always wondered if the assjacks with the cardboard "King Cletus of Cousinfark" license plates carry any car insurance -- I suspect any accident involving them turns into a mega-colon-ache as you're forced to hit up your own insurance to pay for your repairs AND deal with endless liens and lawsuits filed for "denying King Cletus his right of free passage what for the Piggly Wiggly."
 
2014-04-15 11:13:38 AM

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.




They wanted some exemplary boot kissing to keep the plebs in line.
The intimidation tactics quickly backfired tho, as the situation looked to escalate out of control.

It should never have gone this far to begin with.
BLM has confused itself with a paramilitary organization and it's got no ability to contain this mess. They could probably have negotiated a way out if this for less than the cost of their swat teams overtime.
....Or just ignored it. There is no reason to rush.

/we ignore congress, we can overlook a few ranchers.
 
2014-04-15 11:14:11 AM

Mikey1969: Sgt Otter: jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

[crasstalk.com image 500x267]

It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.

Really? He thinks this prevents him from getting a ticket? Is he paying per-use for the roads?


I think these dudes just want a confrontation with a judge.  There's a few video clips of them in court.  They get into court, point out that the flag in the court room has gold fringe, making it a Naval Standard, and not a legitimate U.S. flag, which automatically makes this an Admiralty Court, and as they are not a member of the U.S. Navy (or a POW of a hostile foreign power), are exempt from prosecution.  Your Honor, case dismissed, and award me threeve quazillion dollars in gold bullion and  for kidnapping.
 
2014-04-15 11:14:20 AM

LoioshASH: As I understand it,. . .   UNTIL a private company was interested in purchasing the land and the government needed to get his cattle off the property in order to make the sale.


Your understanding is contradicted by reality.  What private company 'was interested in purchasing the land'?  Please be specific.
 
2014-04-15 11:15:21 AM

Courtney Love's Genital Warts: They're freaking cows. They do what they want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
 
2014-04-15 11:15:37 AM

MythDragon: fireclown: MythDragon: As usual, Chick has the answer.
[media.chick.com image 468x240]
[media.chick.com image 468x240]
heh-"phony calls"
[media.chick.com image 468x240]

**forhead smack**
OK, what is THAT tract about?  Hippies?  Marijuana?

Communism or some-such


Man, these things have an artistry to them that no Fred Phelps could ever match. This dude really could have made some dough in marketing...
 
2014-04-15 11:16:05 AM

thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...


Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)
 
2014-04-15 11:16:55 AM

meat0918: Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

They'll summon Bundy to court once his cattle trespass again.

Regardless of whether or not If Bundy is dumb enough to show up, they'll find him in contempt, and arrest him.

He's smart enough to not show up though, unless he really believes the sovereign citizen crap and thinks they can't actually arrest him.


...and then when they come to arrest him, he summons back those 1,500 people who were defending him, and we're back at square one.  And yet again, this ends peacefully (with him getting away with it) or justly (with the government with blood on its hands), but not both (where 90% of the "rational solutions" would be if both parties were rational actors, except one party isn't.)
 
2014-04-15 11:21:15 AM
Republican has cows eating grass

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Undocumented democrats flowing across the border, costing billions?
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2014-04-15 11:23:32 AM

Repo Man: Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

Problem: cattle that do not belong there are on federal land managed by the BLM, and the owner will not remove them himself. Solution: remove them, and sell them off to recoup as much of the costs of the operation as possible.
The only fly in the ointment was the interference of a large group of loathsome morons. Since killing them would have been very bad PR, and would likely have involved some local sheriffs deputies and other LEOs also being killed or wounded, the operation was wisely called off. But Senator Reid is quite right, this is not over.


Nope.  Just 'til after election time.
 
2014-04-15 11:24:02 AM

neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...

Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)


See how I said your comprehension just sucks, and then you go out and prove it.. One of my statements was that they were tired of it being used by propaganda, which would make it not coincidence, ya know?
 
2014-04-15 11:25:40 AM

IlGreven: meat0918: Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

They'll summon Bundy to court once his cattle trespass again.

Regardless of whether or not If Bundy is dumb enough to show up, they'll find him in contempt, and arrest him.

He's smart enough to not show up though, unless he really believes the sovereign citizen crap and thinks they can't actually arrest him.

...and then when they come to arrest him, he summons back those 1,500 people who were defending him, and we're back at square one.  And yet again, this ends peacefully (with him getting away with it) or justly (with the government with blood on its hands), but not both (where 90% of the "rational solutions" would be if both parties were rational actors, except one party isn't.)


They aren't going to go out to his ranch to arrest him.  It's too dangerous.  They'll let him come to them.
 
2014-04-15 11:26:25 AM

thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...

Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)

See how I said your comprehension just sucks, and then you go out and prove it.. One of my statements was that they were tired of it being used by propaganda, which would make it not coincidence, ya know?


Taking in down helps that how? See how much my comprehension sucks? LOL
 
2014-04-15 11:29:16 AM

neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...

Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)

See how I said your comprehension just sucks, and then you go out and prove it.. One of my statements was that they were tired of it being used by propaganda, which would make it not coincidence, ya know?

Taking in down helps that how? See how much my comprehension sucks? LOL


Yes, still very badly, since we were talking about coincidences at that point..Even still it helps as less people will see it to use it, other than those that have already seen it, or are going to be shown it in the first place.
 
2014-04-15 11:30:22 AM
The most unsettling aspect of this new era of insanity isn't the low level of intellect required to accept this ever growing list of coincidences. Stupid people are nothing new, after all. What should frighten all honest thinkers is the level of laziness and arrogance required to passively accept the cartoonishly fake version of reality put forward by corporate media. It's beyond a simple inability to think critically. There seems to be a palpable hatred, an open contempt for the very concept of critical thought, as if a large portion of the human population have simply thrown in the towel and have begun to run as fast as they can from this very human quality.
 
2014-04-15 11:31:04 AM

Mikey1969: dr_blasto: Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.

Why? The DOD was the DOW at one point. Land administration has been performed by the federal government since there was a federal government, part of that was the homestead acts that gave freeloaders like this douchenozzle their land in the first place. He didn't pay for shiat, his  family didn't pay for anything and he's exceeded his own resources rather than living in his means. Perhaps he should have purchased more land if this was super important.

Can I just wander onto federal land and put up no trespassing signs and turn it into a dirt bike park? It is shiatbags like this that string wire across trails, put up "no trespassing" signs on public land and work to prevent access for others to public land. The West is full of them and they can all suck it.

That's the important part... Somebody pointed out that this dude's ranch is also 160 acres, which was the amount given away in he Homestead Act, by the federal government...

FWIW, I don't consider the homesteaders to be "freeloaders", it was an incentive to populate the expanded West. Grazing on public lands, and refusing to pay the (literally) dirt cheap rates, IS freeloading, though.

As a kid, I didn't see problems with people fencing off federal lands. There were fences to keep the cattle in, but they all had unlocked gates where the roads were, and full access. That's acceptable to me. And this was in Idaho, which has a warm nutty flavor at the best of times...


Calling the homesteaders "freeloaders" was invective for Fark fun.

Technically, the homestead act was designed not only to help move people west, but to also change the farm system from slave-based to individuals working the land. As direct competition to the plantation model, more individuals with smaller tracts that were workable kept that plantation model from spewing out west with the population expansions.The first act was signed in 1862 by Lincoln, at that time, 11 states had already seceded. The philosophy was that if you give people free shiat, they'd stick around.

It worked really well; except that now, you've got groups of original homesteader family descendents doing their level best to fark shiat up for everyone around them. They've gotten entire tracts of land handed to them for nothing, yet complain.
 
2014-04-15 11:31:36 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The more I hear about these traitorous morons, the more I wish the government had just solved the problem with a well-placed JDAM.


You want the US military to kill our citizens on our soil.
 
2014-04-15 11:32:58 AM

thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...

Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)

See how I said your comprehension just sucks, and then you go out and prove it.. One of my statements was that they were tired of it being used by propaganda, which would make it not coincidence, ya know?

Taking in down helps that how? See how much my comprehension sucks? LOL

Yes, still very badly, since we were talking about coincidences at that point..Even still it helps as less people will see it to use it, other than those that have already seen it, or are going to be shown it in the first place.


Is it a coincidence or not? Ever heard of the Streisand effect?
 
2014-04-15 11:34:17 AM

RevMark: someonelse: Pick: This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.

OK.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp

OH SNAP!


You know what's really funny about this claim? Bunkerville is just south of mesquite. You've only been in the "flat" part of Nevada for maybe 10 miles. There is PLENTY of other land for the government to "confiscate" other than this guy's land. It's a flat farking state. I could see NO reason to build anything near Bunkerville. Hell, on the other end of Vegas, south of Boulder City is a dry lake bed that is in such need of ANYTHING being developed there that on windy days you can't see a goddamned thing because of the dust. There's one solar plant there, and about 100X the land THAT one takes up that is just flat, shiatty dust.

They don't need this guy's goddamn "land", there are a billion better places in Nevada to build this plant, and the state is 81% federal land.
 
2014-04-15 11:34:24 AM
LoioshASH: As I understand it, the rancher refused to sign a voluntary contract 20 years ago regarding public use land.  The government didn't have a leg to stand on for 20 years because he hadn't signed that contract and they knew that so there was no issue...for 20 years.  UNTIL a private company was interested in purchasing the land and the government needed to get his cattle off the property in order to make the sale.

This is a question of government being able to bully private citizens in order to make their cronies big bucks in back room deals.

It doesn't matter if it's KBR or Al Jazeerah or Solara or Enron.

The longer people keep buying into the "sides" argument, the longer those running "the show" can keep doing whatever the hell they want.

When the Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party people wake up and understand they've been played from the start and they're actually against the same thing:  people abusing the system.

The only "side" that should matter is whether you have a government that represents the people and not its own buddies and self sustainment.


You understand incorrectly. The opposite of the bolded bit is correct. The rancher has lost every court case. The government has finally had to remove the cows; hell, this is the nicest they could be. They didn't arrest him, they're just doing the animal equivalent of towing an illegally parked car.
 
2014-04-15 11:35:06 AM

Sgt Otter: jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

[crasstalk.com image 500x267]

It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.


There should be a law making it legal to run anyone with a plate like that off the road, then beat them to death with a tire iron.
 
2014-04-15 11:35:20 AM

Publikwerks: We have a system in place for dealing with government overreach. Yes, armed rebellion can be part of it, but it should be the last step.


Is the second amendment the last amendment? No? Check and mate, hippie.
 
2014-04-15 11:35:22 AM

meat0918: Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

They'll summon Bundy to court once his cattle trespass again.

Regardless of whether or not If Bundy is dumb enough to show up, they'll find him in contempt, and arrest him.

He's smart enough to not show up though, unless he really believes the sovereign citizen crap and thinks they can't actually arrest him.


He doesn't own nearly enough land to support the cattle. If they don't stay on the federal land they'll starve to death.

The cattle are in a continuous state of trespass.
 
2014-04-15 11:35:27 AM

neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...

Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)

See how I said your comprehension just sucks, and then you go out and prove it.. One of my statements was that they were tired of it being used by propaganda, which would make it not coincidence, ya know?

Taking in down helps that how? See how much my comprehension sucks? LOL

Yes, still very badly, since we were talking about coincidences at that point..Even still it helps as less people will see it to use it, other than those that have already seen it, or are going to be shown it in the first place.

Is it a coincidence or not? Ever heard of the Streisand effect?


See again with your failure to comprehend the matter at hand. That statement was not stating it was a coincidence, but that we were talking about coincidences, as in if it was one or not... You make me believe you are either a troll or scored really low on the IQ charts.
 
2014-04-15 11:35:49 AM

JohnnyC: jntaylor63: What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

All is forgiven if you claim to support the GOP. You're only on the shiat list if you don't vote Republican.


What amuses me is since he's a sovereign citizen type, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't vote Republican. I bet he'd be pulling this same shiat if an R was president.
 
2014-04-15 11:36:45 AM

Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,


Well, you do say a lot of stupid shiat, so I'm not surprised you'd say that too.
 
2014-04-15 11:38:13 AM

neversubmit: The most unsettling aspect of this new era of insanity isn't the low level of intellect required to accept this ever growing list of coincidences. Stupid people are nothing new, after all. What should frighten all honest thinkers is the level of laziness and arrogance required to passively accept the cartoonishly fake version of reality put forward by corporate media. It's beyond a simple inability to think critically. There seems to be a palpable hatred, an open contempt for the very concept of critical thought, as if a large portion of the human population have simply thrown in the towel and have begun to run as fast as they can from this very human quality.


No, the most unsettling aspect of this is the low level of intellect required to accept the conspiracy that you keep trying to claim is going on.
 
2014-04-15 11:39:40 AM
Nutsac_Jim:

Undocumented democrats flowing across the border, costing billions?
[vote29.com image 409x265]


Actually, that picture is from during the Bush years.

http://www.reform-america.net/politics072108.html

www.thorninpaw.com
 
2014-04-15 11:39:50 AM

grumpfuff: What amuses me is since he's a sovereign citizen type, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't vote Republican. I bet he'd be pulling this same shiat if an R was president.


Considering that he's been doing it for 20+ years now that's a pretty damn safe bet.
 
2014-04-15 11:40:42 AM

grumpfuff: Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,

Well, you do say a lot of stupid shiat, so I'm not surprised you'd say that too.


lol
 
2014-04-15 11:40:53 AM

Pangea: meat0918: Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

They'll summon Bundy to court once his cattle trespass again.

Regardless of whether or not If Bundy is dumb enough to show up, they'll find him in contempt, and arrest him.

He's smart enough to not show up though, unless he really believes the sovereign citizen crap and thinks they can't actually arrest him.

He doesn't own nearly enough land to support the cattle. If they don't stay on the federal land they'll starve to death.

The cattle are in a continuous state of trespass.


So in other words dude needs to either buy more land or get rid of some cows and he's been unwilling to do either.
 
2014-04-15 11:41:01 AM

thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


Google cache

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?


For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...

Well imagine that it's all a coincidence, ya know sometimes shiat just happens :)

See how I said your comprehension just sucks, and then you go out and prove it.. One of my statements was that they were tired of it being used by propaganda, which would make it not coincidence, ya know?

Taking in down helps that how? See how much my comprehension sucks? LOL

Yes, still very badly, since we were talking about coincidences at that point..Even still it helps as less people will see it to use it, other than those that have already seen it, or are going to be shown it in the first place.

Is it a coincidence or not? Ever heard of the Streisand effect?

See again with your failure to comprehend the matter at hand. ...


Does that mean you have never heard of the Streisand effect? LOL You act as if everything happens in a vacuum and if you need that... well fine, enjoy.
 
2014-04-15 11:41:12 AM

neversubmit: The most unsettling aspect of this new era of insanity isn't the low level of intellect required to accept this ever growing list of coincidences. Stupid people are nothing new, after all. What should frighten all honest thinkers is the level of laziness and arrogance required to passively accept the cartoonishly fake version of reality put forward by corporate media. It's beyond a simple inability to think critically. There seems to be a palpable hatred, an open contempt for the very concept of critical thought, as if a large portion of the human population have simply thrown in the towel and have begun to run as fast as they can from this very human quality.


Or, sometimes organizations just take web pages down.
 
2014-04-15 11:41:42 AM

dittybopper: TFA SAYS THEY MERELY CONSIDERED IT AS AN OPTION, NOT THAT THEY NECESSARILY IMPLEMENTED IT.


IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED IT, EVEN CONSIDERING IT AS AN OPTION IS FARKING VILE, DISGUSTING, AND COWARDLY.
 
2014-04-15 11:42:17 AM

grumpfuff: dittybopper: TFA SAYS THEY MERELY CONSIDERED IT AS AN OPTION, NOT THAT THEY NECESSARILY IMPLEMENTED IT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED IT, EVEN CONSIDERING IT AS AN OPTION IS FARKING VILE, DISGUSTING, AND COWARDLY.


Oi. Didn't implement it.
 
2014-04-15 11:42:30 AM

thaylin: neversubmit: The most unsettling aspect of this new era of insanity isn't the low level of intellect required to accept this ever growing list of coincidences. Stupid people are nothing new, after all. What should frighten all honest thinkers is the level of laziness and arrogance required to passively accept the cartoonishly fake version of reality put forward by corporate media. It's beyond a simple inability to think critically. There seems to be a palpable hatred, an open contempt for the very concept of critical thought, as if a large portion of the human population have simply thrown in the towel and have begun to run as fast as they can from this very human quality.

No, the most unsettling aspect of this is the low level of intellect required to accept the conspiracy that you keep trying to claim is going on.


Well, there is perhaps a little conspiracy going on. After 20 years of this crap, you'd think that someone might have gone after this asshat a bit earlier. I don't think that the timing is so much of a particular issue, as someone finally got fed up with his BS and decided to finally call him on it. Someone has been covering for his ass for a while, and now that they're gone, things are steamrolling ahead.
 
2014-04-15 11:42:34 AM

grumpfuff: Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,

Well, you do say a lot of stupid shiat, so I'm not surprised you'd say that too.


I know that I don't speak for most of us, but destruction of lands held in the public trust by illegal activities is pretty frowned on around here.
 
2014-04-15 11:42:47 AM

way south: One could say that it was an example of what happens when you don't leave people alone.
Of course we can't know what was really going through McVeigh's head, but revenge was among the theories. Abuses by the fed aren't soon forgotten or forgiven by some people.


McVeigh was pretty open that his motive was reprisal for Waco and Ruby Ridge.
 
2014-04-15 11:43:40 AM

neversubmit: Does that mean you have never heard of the Streisand effect? LOL You act as if everything happens in a vacuum and if you need that... well fine, enjoy.


Can't you retards atleast stop just quoting the entire thing making it a wall of text?  Jesus you guys are worse than old people with the FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: emails
 
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