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2014-04-15 10:25:38 AM

gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.


I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on.  The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report.  I'll take his word on that one.

From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land.  I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule.  I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top.  Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.

They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.

I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video.  The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.
 
2014-04-15 10:26:17 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Miss Alexandra: What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.

I'll bite.

Most people on the left and right are against illegal immigration.  You, specifically, are against them stealing our resources.

Would you agree, then, that a system should be set in place where these people can pay taxes?  Maybe give them a card of some sort, where they can work legally and then pay income and payroll taxes on their labor?

Would you also agree that the government should come down on businesses and job creators who employ ILLEGAL immigrants with an iron fist?


Definitely agree with this.  There should probably also be fines depending on the length of time already established here.  Recoup some of the medical/educational freebies.  I mean there should be some penalties for breaking the law.
 
2014-04-15 10:27:25 AM

lantawa: FnkyTwn: Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

This has been debunked by everybody.... EVEN BY FOX NEWS. The solar deal in question has nothing to do with the land that's associated with this standoff.

Like always, there is a grain of truth in it (Like Obama really was born in Hawaii, but McCain really was born in Panama). There was/is a deal with a solar company that Reid's son is involved with, but it's in a completely different part of the state, and they don't have any more access/rights to Federal land than Bundy does.

But wait, there's more!  What about THIS story about THIS solar development project.  Bet you can't prove it incorrect......

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada- so lar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/



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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
 
2014-04-15 10:27:27 AM

Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.

Stereotyping is fun, especially when you include sexism. You are aware that these women are probably complicit in this "official" plan. Turns out they're pretty autonomous and are just as capable of manipulation as men. They're using themselves as a shield, or are only men capable of planning and leading semi-organized resistance?

Well being strong, independent bullet shields, I'm sure one of them can speak up and verify what you're alleging.

Excellent counterpoint. You are a master debater and a cunning linguist.

Your speculation and bizarre attempt to somehow shame me with fake feminism wasn't much of a point.

Let me know when you find a quote from one of them stating they're happy to soak up bullets for the cause.

That would be a little counterproductive from their point of view. Manipulation works best when it's subtle. If a woman stood up and said they they wouldn't dare shoot through us for fear of public backlash, people will be less likely to be sympathetic to their cause.

Well Cleatus already done let that cat out of the bag. So be sure to let us know when you've verified your version of events.

So the alternative is that they're being coerced or manipulated? Yeah, I'm done discussing things with the enemy of reason.

For the record, I don't side with the rancher or his retarded male and female followers. I just take offense to your stereotyping and your glaring inability to see these women as anything but meat shields.


If what you're saying is accurate, they see themselves as meat shields. I'm sorry the reality is so hard for you to accept.
 
2014-04-15 10:30:40 AM

TheGogmagog: gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.

I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on.  The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report.  I'll take his word on that one.

From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land.  I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule.  I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top.  Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.

They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.

I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video.  The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.


BLM has been the level-headed ones. This has been on-going for twenty years.
 
2014-04-15 10:30:54 AM

TheGogmagog: gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.

I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on.  The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report.  I'll take his word on that one.

From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land.  I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule.  I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top.  Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.

They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.

I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video.  The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.


Good Rule
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2014-04-15 10:32:36 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.

Stereotyping is fun, especially when you include sexism. You are aware that these women are probably complicit in this "official" plan. Turns out they're pretty autonomous and are just as capable of manipulation as men. They're using themselves as a shield, or are only men capable of planning and leading semi-organized resistance?

Well being strong, independent bullet shields, I'm sure one of them can speak up and verify what you're alleging.

Excellent counterpoint. You are a master debater and a cunning linguist.

Your speculation and bizarre attempt to somehow shame me with fake feminism wasn't much of a point.

Let me know when you find a quote from one of them stating they're happy to soak up bullets for the cause.

That would be a little counterproductive from their point of view. Manipulation works best when it's subtle. If a woman stood up and said they they wouldn't dare shoot through us for fear of public backlash, people will be less likely to be sympathetic to their cause.

Well Cleatus already done let that cat out of the bag. So be sure to let us know when you've verified your version of events.

So the alternative is that they're being coerced or manipulated? Yeah, I'm done discussing things with the enemy of reason.

For the record, I don't side with the rancher or his retarded male and female followers. I just take offense to your stereotyping and your glaring inability to see these women as anything but meat shields.

If what you're saying is accurate, they see themselves as mea ...


It's not hard for me to accept.  It's what I've been saying all along.  Though they probably think of themselves as more of a deterrent to violence, than a meat shield.
 
2014-04-15 10:32:46 AM
neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
 
2014-04-15 10:34:25 AM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: TheGogmagog: gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.

I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on.  The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report.  I'll take his word on that one.

From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land.  I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule.  I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top.  Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.

They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.

I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video.  The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.

BLM has been the level-headed ones. This has been on-going for twenty years.


And for all the caterwauling by this cowboy welfare queen  and his deranged supporters, not a single shot has been fired by the feds.
 
2014-04-15 10:34:46 AM

someonelse: Pick: This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.

OK.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp


OH SNAP!
 
2014-04-15 10:34:51 AM

notto: neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.


He does not read what they far right tells him..
 
2014-04-15 10:35:41 AM

notto: neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.


Think about it a little more, you're almost there.
 
2014-04-15 10:37:06 AM

thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..


My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.
 
2014-04-15 10:38:23 AM

doglover: Publikwerks: It was something people knew how to do.

To be fair, if you haven't used a Japanese toilet, using the john seems obvious.

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x375]


Just rotate it 90 degrees, and it makes a good urinal.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-15 10:38:46 AM
Love the way the feds take care of their land by contaminating over a trillion gallons of underground water from "the bombs" and doing nothing about it.
 
2014-04-15 10:38:51 AM

notto: MechaPyx: His family has been on that land for generations.

Yeah, they just wandered in one day - no government help or support at all, Hey!  Free Land!

If this is their land, then I'm sure they would be willing to deed it and pay back state and federal taxes on it, right?

The forfeited any rights they had because, like the current user, they were more than willing to take advantage of the public lands when it suited them. They sure didn't want to own it and pay taxes on it.


They've been there long enough his original ancestor might have done exactly that....wandered in and laid claim to it. I'm guessing they would have had more freedom to free range cattle back then. Not nearly as many neighbors around to kick up a fuss about it. Could be he's used to doing things the way his family has always done it and this little stand-off is a result of the friction between his stubborn views and reality....or he could just be an asshole. Maybe both.

Not saying he's right but I have some sympathy for his situation in part because the government can be slimy little weasels when it comes to property rights.
 
2014-04-15 10:39:42 AM
Harry's not helping those that would save him from this mess.

Harry Reid: Ranch standoff 'not over'
 
2014-04-15 10:40:54 AM
"We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front," Mack said in a Fox News clip pulled by The Blaze. "If they are going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers."

Yet so far, THIS is the ony person I've seen with a drawn gun...

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Also, I was just watching the "video the feds don't want you to see", and the federal officer spent half of the video trying to get these shiatheads to stand the fark back so that they could release the goddam cows. He said it over and over, and the stupid militia farks kept yelling back at him that they weren't going anywhere... You get that, morons, you're getting what you want, but you can't farking pay attention. I also like how the people on camera were making fun of the feds and their "big guns", how they must 'feel like men' because they have them. What a bunch of half-wits. Where IS the other half?

http://benswann.com/the-bundy-ranch-video-facebook-wont-let-you-see/

I'm only posting this stupid article about the video, rather than a straight link to the video because they bury the update at the bottom and don't even list it as an "update". The whole farking article is about how hard it is to be a conservative on FB. THEN they add this:


It appears as though this happened to multiple non-related videos this afternoon. The situation now seems to be resolved and users are able to post the video once again directly to their walls.
 
2014-04-15 10:41:24 AM

Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.


Why? The DOD was the DOW at one point. Land administration has been performed by the federal government since there was a federal government, part of that was the homestead acts that gave freeloaders like this douchenozzle their land in the first place. He didn't pay for shiat, his  family didn't pay for anything and he's exceeded his own resources rather than living in his means. Perhaps he should have purchased more land if this was super important.

Can I just wander onto federal land and put up no trespassing signs and turn it into a dirt bike park? It is shiatbags like this that string wire across trails, put up "no trespassing" signs on public land and work to prevent access for others to public land. The West is full of them and they can all suck it.
 
2014-04-15 10:41:52 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Would you agree, then, that a system should be set in place where these people can pay taxes? Maybe give them a card of some sort, where they can work legally and then pay income and payroll taxes on their labor?


Actually we should encourage more illegal immigrants because they use a fake SS card so they pay in taxes but they get no benefits back.  The people we need to be mad at are farmers and rich people for hiring people and paying them under the table.
 
2014-04-15 10:42:20 AM
We're gonna hear a lot of quiet arrests of these guys in the coming months.
 
2014-04-15 10:43:22 AM

neversubmit: Wouldn't have been great if these guys had shown up to OWS? The bankers would still be cleaning out their shorts.


"These guys" would have shot the OWS protesters, for being Murica hatin commies.
 
2014-04-15 10:44:14 AM

meat0918: We're gonna hear a lot of quiet arrests of these guys in the coming months.


I certainly hope so, what a greater mess it would be if they are not arrested.
 
2014-04-15 10:44:36 AM

WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away. will get more louder and more belligerent.


FTFY
 
2014-04-15 10:45:24 AM

fusillade762: The Blaze, the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck, flagged the comments made Monday by Richard Mack

So this is the oh-so-credible nugget we're going to launch another Bundy thread with?

Are the chicks in question at least hot?


Here's another link that mentions the women-first policy that these "men" are thinking of using. Another nutter site, BUT when they give a specific person's name, they are leaving themselves wide open to legal issues.

http://benswann.com/exclusive-sources-inside-the-blm-and-las-vegas-m et ro-say-feds-are-planning-a-raid-on-bundy-home/
 
2014-04-15 10:45:57 AM

dr_blasto: Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.

Why? The DOD was the DOW at one point. Land administration has been performed by the federal government since there was a federal government, part of that was the homestead acts that gave freeloaders like this douchenozzle their land in the first place. He didn't pay for shiat, his  family didn't pay for anything and he's exceeded his own resources rather than living in his means. Perhaps he should have purchased more land if this was super important.

Can I just wander onto federal land and put up no trespassing signs and turn it into a dirt bike park? It is shiatbags like this that string wire across trails, put up "no trespassing" signs on public land and work to prevent access for others to public land. The West is full of them and they can all suck it.


Can a few of you "Smart" this form me?  I can only do it once.
 
2014-04-15 10:46:44 AM

Fissile: neversubmit: Wouldn't have been great if these guys had shown up to OWS? The bankers would still be cleaning out their shorts.

"These guys" would have shot the OWS protesters, for being Murica hatin commies.


I guess you're right about that, which to me says just how bad We the People are fu*ked!
 
2014-04-15 10:47:26 AM
TheGogmagog: gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: 
I cut the bits about the sister being pushed to the ground, and the son's liver damage from being stomped on.  The fact he was arrested for taking pictures and his camera was confiscated seems to be a pretty binary detail, either it did happen or it didn't and would be backed up with the police report.  I'll take his word on that one.

There's a difference between being arrested for "taking pictures", and "being arrested for trespassing in a closed area".

From reading this thread and two articles on the subject, I'm less inclined to support Bundy's claim to the land.  I tend to stay out of land wars as a general rule.  I don't know where the escelation began but both Bundy's agressiveness and the police action seem over the top.  Of the two I'm more outraged by the apparent abuse of power.

They should be the level headed ones, document how Bundy is wrong, charge him and/or take him to court and follow the process.

I think this situation is better compared to the 'soverign citizen meets tazer' video.  The security guy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger, but the soverign citizen guy was clearly an asshat who wasn't going to stop.


From this thread, it sounds like he's been to court numerous times, but there comes a point where someone just keeps ignoring the court, and politely worded letters, and the executive branch of government is called in to enforce the actions of the judicial branch (else there would be no reason to bother having court orders!)
 
2014-04-15 10:47:47 AM

neversubmit: Harry's not helping those that would save him from this mess.

Harry Reid: Ranch standoff 'not over'


What does he need saving from? And he's right, it's definitely not over. The government is going to get paid.
 
2014-04-15 10:47:59 AM

neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.


Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.
 
2014-04-15 10:49:20 AM

thaylin: also the goal of using the women, who there is no evidence would go along with it, and would have been symbolic bullshiat.


Except it worked.
 
2014-04-15 10:49:55 AM

gravy chugging cretin.: TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.


Yeah, he may b the dude who kicked the police dog.
 
2014-04-15 10:50:37 AM

Felgraf: way south: Even if it means having extreme patience and suffering the company of idiots for a few years. Its better than a shootout.

It took two decades to get to this point.

Exactly how much patience should they have?

Should people just not have to follow laws they don't feel like following?


If you and I let someone continue to take advantage of us, we eventually lose our right to compensation. I still don't know whether Bundy was a tenant or a trespasser but unlike the BLM, private citizens lose the right to seek damages after a period of time (Statute of Limitations, typically 3 years). If Bundy had done the same thing to another private landowner, I doubt that the private citizen would have stood by idly like the BLM appears to have done. So while Bundy may be in the wrong, this seems to be yet another example of government ineptitude. If Bundy was in violation of BLM rules, whose job was it to know it, whose job was it to deal with it once it was known or should have been known, and why didn't they do their job? If I don't do my job I don't have a job. If government is going to undertake to do a job, shouldn't they be held to the same standards as the citizens?
 
2014-04-15 10:51:31 AM

thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.


Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?
 
2014-04-15 10:52:43 AM
So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.
 
2014-04-15 10:54:22 AM

KyngNothing: From this thread, it sounds like he's been to court numerous times, but there comes a point where someone just keeps ignoring the court, and politely worded letters, and the executive branch of government is called in to enforce the actions of the judicial branch (else there would be no reason to bother having court orders!)


The logical conclusion is that it leads to anarchy/law of the jungle,  If these "patriots" really got of dose of what they claim they want, they'd shiat their pants.   Read this account of a Bosnia War survivor.  According to this man, the Rambo wannabes who showed up in with their tacticool gear were the first to get killed.   http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/a-survival-q-a-living- t hrough-shtf-in-the-middle-of-a-war-zone_10252011
 
2014-04-15 10:55:27 AM

doglover: thaylin: also the goal of using the women, who there is no evidence would go along with it, and would have been symbolic bullshiat.

Except it worked.


In what way? It was never implimented, therefore it did not work...
 
2014-04-15 10:55:33 AM

Publikwerks: We have a system in place for dealing with government overreach. Yes, armed rebellion can be part of it, but it should be the last step. He hasn't availed himself of it. He hasn't gone to court, hasn't argued his case in front of a judge or a jury of his peers. He has made no effort to right this, because I think he knows he's wrong.



He's been doing that for 20 years. The problem is he's wrong in every conceivable legal angle. Most moral ones, too. But there's still folken who support his idiocy. And we can't belittle their courage, even though calling it courage is a slight upon their morality. The fact remains threatening to use women as human shields shows both the cut of the womens' jib as well as the efficacy of the tactic in that the BM stood down for now.
 
2014-04-15 10:55:42 AM

doglover: thaylin: also the goal of using the women, who there is no evidence would go along with it, and would have been symbolic bullshiat.

Except it worked.


How? They didn't actually do it.
 
2014-04-15 10:57:26 AM
jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

crasstalk.com

It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.
 
2014-04-15 10:57:52 AM

neversubmit: thaylin: neversubmit: thaylin: notto: neversubmit:


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Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.

He does not read what they far right tells him..

My reading is fine, your comprehension  not so much.

Actually your comprehension sucks. This was a PLANNING project, not an actual production project. The projects last actual update was sometime in 2012 as well, as evidenced to the end of all meetings on the subject, well before reports that the project was cancelled...

So again, your comprehension sucks.

Since you're so awesome, why was the page taken down?



For any number of reasons that are legitimate.. From the page was supposed to be taken down already, but the government tends to forget with their billions of websites, to they just got tired of people who cannot read and use critical thinking skills using it as propaganda. The site being taken down does not confirm your conspire theory by itself...
 
2014-04-15 10:59:34 AM

dr_blasto: Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.

Why? The DOD was the DOW at one point. Land administration has been performed by the federal government since there was a federal government, part of that was the homestead acts that gave freeloaders like this douchenozzle their land in the first place. He didn't pay for shiat, his  family didn't pay for anything and he's exceeded his own resources rather than living in his means. Perhaps he should have purchased more land if this was super important.

Can I just wander onto federal land and put up no trespassing signs and turn it into a dirt bike park? It is shiatbags like this that string wire across trails, put up "no trespassing" signs on public land and work to prevent access for others to public land. The West is full of them and they can all suck it.


That's the important part... Somebody pointed out that this dude's ranch is also 160 acres, which was the amount given away in he Homestead Act, by the federal government...

FWIW, I don't consider the homesteaders to be "freeloaders", it was an incentive to populate the expanded West. Grazing on public lands, and refusing to pay the (literally) dirt cheap rates, IS freeloading, though.

As a kid, I didn't see problems with people fencing off federal lands. There were fences to keep the cattle in, but they all had unlocked gates where the roads were, and full access. That's acceptable to me. And this was in Idaho, which has a warm nutty flavor at the best of times...
 
2014-04-15 11:00:46 AM

Sgt Otter: jntaylor63:

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I've seen a few Sovereign Citizens driving around on interstate highways or other publicly-funded roads with home-made "Private Use: Government Exempt" license plates.

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It's not mooching when it's a white conservative, I guess.


Really? He thinks this prevents him from getting a ticket? Is he paying per-use for the roads?
 
2014-04-15 11:01:29 AM

reubendaley: Felgraf: way south: Even if it means having extreme patience and suffering the company of idiots for a few years. Its better than a shootout.

It took two decades to get to this point.

Exactly how much patience should they have?

Should people just not have to follow laws they don't feel like following?

If you and I let someone continue to take advantage of us, we eventually lose our right to compensation. I still don't know whether Bundy was a tenant or a trespasser but unlike the BLM, private citizens lose the right to seek damages after a period of time (Statute of Limitations, typically 3 years). If Bundy had done the same thing to another private landowner, I doubt that the private citizen would have stood by idly like the BLM appears to have done. So while Bundy may be in the wrong, this seems to be yet another example of government ineptitude. If Bundy was in violation of BLM rules, whose job was it to know it, whose job was it to deal with it once it was known or should have been known, and why didn't they do their job? If I don't do my job I don't have a job. If government is going to undertake to do a job, shouldn't they be held to the same standards as the citizens?


No, they've been taking him to court this whole time, this has been tied up in court for a *while*.
 
2014-04-15 11:02:06 AM

fireclown: MythDragon: As usual, Chick has the answer.
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heh-"phony calls"
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**forhead smack**
OK, what is THAT tract about?  Hippies?  Marijuana?


Communism or some-such
 
2014-04-15 11:02:32 AM
Danger Mouse:

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

There are but Bundy ignored all of them.    He is responsible for the escalation and created the standoff.
 
2014-04-15 11:03:34 AM

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.


...considering that they were going to round up the property that was on Federal land, without grazing rights, it is "arresting cows" but removing property that has been placed improperly.

Yeah, Bundy is going to be arrested. And he's going to have assets seized. And he's going to wail and moan about it, and he's going to be hoisted up as a "hero" to folks that don't understand that he's been engaged in illegal business practices for 20 years, and despite trying to work with him, he's just compounding his problems. The question is: how much will he cop a plea for, and what sort of deal will he work out to keep at least a piece of his farm, or will he martyr himself and his family, and some useful idiots for essentially padding his profit line?

That's the issue. Not "freedom" but a businessman who has been dealing unfairly and illegally for years, and being called on it.
 
2014-04-15 11:04:15 AM

Danger Mouse: So why were they trying to arrest the cows? They did nothing wrong. thy're just cows for farks sake. wouldn't you arrest Bundy?

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.




Problem: cattle that do not belong there are on federal land managed by the BLM, and the owner will not remove them himself. Solution: remove them, and sell them off to recoup as much of the costs of the operation as possible.
The only fly in the ointment was the interference of a large group of loathsome morons. Since killing them would have been very bad PR, and would likely have involved some local sheriffs deputies and other LEOs also being killed or wounded, the operation was wisely called off. But Senator Reid is quite right, this is not over.
 
2014-04-15 11:05:45 AM

notto: Danger Mouse:

Seems like there are ways to resolve this without sending in armed rangers for what's basically a tax issue.

There are but Bundy ignored all of them.    He is responsible for the escalation and created the standoff.


Why wouldn't you arrest Bundy? Trying to conficaste the cattle seems...dumb. It's not like repossessing a car.

wouldn't you arrange a court date, if he doesn't show, then a warrent is issued? This seems like a farked up way to handle non payment of taxes, no?
 
2014-04-15 11:07:01 AM
So for Bundy and other rich guys, a freebie for twenty years is entitlement. For poor people, a freebie for twenty years is called a gov'ment hand out.  Did I miss something?
 
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