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2014-04-15 09:40:51 AM

Brick-House: You libs really ought to read a little history and see that the founding fathers wanted a Federal Government with LIMITED POWERS leaving matters like this to the states.


The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
 
2014-04-15 09:41:19 AM

IlGreven: Miss Alexandra: This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.

...meanwhile, everyone else is wondering why it's not okay when it's an illegal noncitizen, but it's okay when it's a sovereign citizen who claims he's not an American? (and yes, he has claimed that. Numerous times.)


The point has come up in earlier threads.  He claims he's not a US citizen.  Why not take him up on that.  He's not a citizen, and he doesn't have a visa, therefore he's an illegal alien.  Deport him.
 
2014-04-15 09:41:21 AM

Brick-House: You libs really ought to read a little history and see that the founding fathers wanted a Federal Government with LIMITED POWERS leaving matters like this to the states.


HE'S ON FEDERAL LAND.  Who do you think should handle it?
 
2014-04-15 09:42:20 AM

WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CATTLE?!

 
2014-04-15 09:42:29 AM

TNel: HE'S ON FEDERAL LAND. Who do you think should handle it?


MJ12?
 
2014-04-15 09:43:11 AM

Brick-House: You libs really ought to read a little history and see that the founding fathers wanted a Federal Government with LIMITED POWERS leaving matters like this to the states.


Small Government! Big Government!

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-15 09:45:25 AM

doglover: Publikwerks: doglover: Publikwerks: people like myself don't want anyone killed, but we also think that if you take up arms against this country, that the government have every right to curb stomp you, especially if you're wrong.

May I ask two serious questions? If it gets too personal don't answer me and if you want to disagree with anything I've posted that's okay but:

Q1: Were you raised in one of the original 13?

Q2: If not, which state do you consider "home"?

1.Kinda - Maine
2. Maine

I am a direct decedent of William Bradford, governor of Plymouth Colony

Okay, cool beans.

I was just curious.

Having grown up in Appalachia, my opinion of the US government is very similar to one the Picts might have had of the Romans, but with a lot less animosity. There's way too many instances of corrupt officials trying to oppress honest citizens to blindly follow where "Old Glory" leads. At the same time, I can't find a better country than the IDEAL put forth in the Constitution.

In this case in particular: Bundy's wrong on many levels and needs stopped. However the women willing to get in front of their men to prove their retarded point is inspiring to me. I wouldn't come within earshot of a three letter agency for cows, let alone ride their goons' crosshairs. As far as I'm concerned, Bundy should just lose ownership of his cows if they graze on public land. The police should come in, take 'em, and steak 'em. But I have to give mad props to the militia people for realizing they're an ant fighting a giant, ass kicking boot and adopting an actual strategy as opposed to some symbolic bullshiat.



I grew up in Appalachia myself, I am born, raised and still live in NC, and my ancestor is from even deeper in the area, however I completely disagree with you. Your thinking has more to do with your parents then the area. Some people are just fearful of unrealized issues.

also the goal of using the women, who there is no evidence would go along with it, and would have been symbolic bullshiat.
 
2014-04-15 09:45:42 AM
WHOA BUNDY!

Kelly, get out there
 
2014-04-15 09:45:47 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.


This has been debunked by everybody.... EVEN BY FOX NEWS. The solar deal in question has nothing to do with the land that's associated with this standoff.

Like always, there is a grain of truth in it (Like Obama really was born in Hawaii, but McCain really was born in Panama). There was/is a deal with a solar company that Reid's son is involved with, but it's in a completely different part of the state, and they don't have any more access/rights to Federal land than Bundy does.
 
2014-04-15 09:47:07 AM

FnkyTwn: Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

This has been debunked by everybody.... EVEN BY FOX NEWS. The solar deal in question has nothing to do with the land that's associated with this standoff.

Like always, there is a grain of truth in it (Like Obama really was born in Hawaii, but McCain really was born in Panama). There was/is a deal with a solar company that Reid's son is involved with, but it's in a completely different part of the state, and they don't have any more access/rights to Federal land than Bundy does.


But it feels true, dammit.
 
2014-04-15 09:47:07 AM

ciberido: lantawa: Reid the rules.  That's all you need to know or do, tax slaves.


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I think we need a drinking game.  Everyone take a swig when called "tax slave."


The drinking gods of foolishness smile upon you, my son.  Behold, and bask in the radiance of the pleasure that you give them. But too much taxation with insufficient representation is a thing, my son. Word

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2014-04-15 09:47:27 AM

IlGreven: Lee451: His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something.

No, no it shouldn't. If the owner of your apartment building changes hands, you can't get out of paying rent because you were there before the current owner owned the place.


I think Management Company might be more appropriate then owner in this case.  Ownership has not changed, just some of the management mechanisms.  (no smoking in the lobby?  i'ma stop paying my rents.)
 
2014-04-15 09:47:59 AM

Cold_Sassy: jntaylor63: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.

THIS.

File tax leans, cut off whatever AG support he can file for, seize his bank accounts.

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?

I can think of a LOT of other "Americans" that don't pay taxes who deal drugs, take drugs, join gangs,  sit around on their a*s all day and see how many women they can knock up.  How is this guy any worse?


You don't see Sean Hannity defending the patriotism of gangbangers? Your average gangbanger doesn't have 400 cows shiatting all over? Nobody on Fark gets a hard on when a gangbanger defies the law?
 
2014-04-15 09:49:49 AM

doglover: Publikwerks: It was something people knew how to do.

To be fair, if you haven't used a Japanese toilet, using the john seems obvious.

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Depending on which country you're getting posted to, if you join the Peace Corps, they will toilet-train you.  Literally.
 
2014-04-15 09:49:55 AM

untaken_name: Good ol' confirmation bias. They're not trustworthy unless they agree with your preconceived notions say something that contradicts their own agenda.


This isn't necessarily confirmation bias. I also was willing to ignore the source of this article, until I realized it went counter to their usual spin.

Here's an example that goes the other way: I'm pretty liberal, and voted for President Obama twice. A friend of mine on Facebook (who's also very liberal) recently posted a status complaining about how Obamacare has treated him. I was really interested to hear what he had to say, since I know he's not a knee-jerk conservative who's going to hate Obama for eating crackers. I couldn't make heads or tails of the follow-up comments, unfortunately. But I'd love to hear an honest critique of Obamacare that doesn't come from the cracker-eaters.

Liberals: evidence-based.
 
2014-04-15 09:50:36 AM
As usual, Chick has the answer.
media.chick.com
media.chick.com
heh-"phony calls"
media.chick.com
 
2014-04-15 09:51:14 AM
Bundy Ranch 'militia' had strict women-first policy...in case of firefights with federal agency officers

If this is going to be how act, maybe it's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
 
2014-04-15 09:52:01 AM

FnkyTwn: Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

This has been debunked by everybody.... EVEN BY FOX NEWS. The solar deal in question has nothing to do with the land that's associated with this standoff.

Like always, there is a grain of truth in it (Like Obama really was born in Hawaii, but McCain really was born in Panama). There was/is a deal with a solar company that Reid's son is involved with, but it's in a completely different part of the state, and they don't have any more access/rights to Federal land than Bundy does.


But wait, there's more!  What about THIS story about THIS solar development project.  Bet you can't prove it incorrect......

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada- so lar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/
 
2014-04-15 09:52:14 AM

Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]

What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.


Hurrrr
 
2014-04-15 09:52:24 AM

FnkyTwn: Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

This has been debunked by everybody.... EVEN BY FOX NEWS. The solar deal in question has nothing to do with the land that's associated with this standoff.

Like always, there is a grain of truth in it (Like Obama really was born in Hawaii, but McCain really was born in Panama). There was/is a deal with a solar company that Reid's son is involved with, but it's in a completely different part of the state, and they don't have any more access/rights to Federal land than Bundy does.


Remember when everybody lied us into war?
 
2014-04-15 09:52:56 AM
One thing I've noticed and wondered about regarding conservative types in general - from the "limited government" sane ones through to the wackadoo militia types we have here - is, why do they hate government no matter what it does? Isn't the whole idea of a democratic republic to have a government formed by the people themselves? Why would they hate that? Do they think they themselves are awful at governing or something? It doesn't make sense.

Add to that the fact that this republic setup was put together by the people they revere the most: the holy Founding Fathers (blessed be their names). This is the exact government set up by their heroes and yet, just the mention of the word "government" induces grumbles and eye rolls from them. Do they want no government at all?

My opinion is that conservatives still view this bogeyman "government" as if it were the fictional "tyrannical" British colonial government that the Founding Fathers (blessed be their names) toppled. But the government we have now isn't that at all; it's the one set up by the people who toppled and replaced that. It just makes zero sense.
 
2014-04-15 09:53:29 AM

untaken_name: Good ol' confirmation bias. They're not trustworthy unless they agree with your preconceived notions. Interesting. Besides, I keep hearing how women shouldn't be kept from front-line combat. TheBlaze is just less misogynistic than you are, with your assumptions that women would obviously be worse at gunfighting than men. Sexist.


I think the point is that when a group that slants their reporting reports something against their position they're generally more reliable than when they report something that supports their position.
 
2014-04-15 09:54:32 AM
tavernofterror.com
 
2014-04-15 09:54:44 AM
Wouldn't have been great if these guys had shown up to OWS? The bankers would still be cleaning out their shorts.
 
2014-04-15 09:55:36 AM

BSABSVR: Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]

What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.

Hurrrr


There is no hurrrr.....only Zuul.
 
2014-04-15 09:56:36 AM

Brick-House: Do we really need every federal agency being able to dispatch Special Forces Teams?


My friend is a sheriff, and he has to deal with these nutters (Sovereign Citizens) every so often. He has a few officers he's given special training to so they can deal with them without it erupting into a firefight every time. One thing people who don't deal with nut jobs like this don't understand: They really see you as an invader and feel they have free reign to put 10 rounds into you without repercussion. This isn't just about grazing land, license plates, taxes, or any that of shiat. These people make the Civil War South look sane. Sherman might've burned these a$$holes to the ground if he was let loose on them, but the Confederacy would have curb stomped their a$$ just as quickly. These people are the one-half of one percent of extremists and feel they should be able to do what they want, when they want.

One of the best things my friend fought hard to get in the cruisers was the dash cams. A couple of the older cops resisted a bit, they didn't know if it was going to really work or just create another headache. I've seen some dashcam footage of Sovereign Citizens, and these people are so farking insane it's near unbelievable they function at all. Then you realize it's all a sham, most will gladly use that worthless paper from an illegitimate government. Most will demand to be paid in it, even while shouting from the rooftops that it's worthless.

Sovereign citizen movements are usually nothing but extremist libertarian retards that don't want to pay income taxes. The biggest problem is that they tend to react very violently when their shtick is called. No, that homemade license plate won't cut it Emperor Pro Tem Charles Avery, III. Yes you still have to pay property taxes on that 250 acres Peter Griffin.

The worst is the law suits, well unless they shoot you as an invader. For someone who hates the courts so much, most of them seem perfectly happy to file ridiculous law suits against, well, anyone they can think of that might be tangentially involved with the government. My friend had a lien falsely put on his house, multiple times. I won't go into the judges and attorneys who have to read this headache inducing shiat they scrawl in crayon for briefs, before they too are personally sued and / or have false liens placed on their property.

In sum total, these retards go out of their way to break laws, be irritating, and are regularly violent. I don't blame anyone for protecting themselves, or their employees, from them.
 
2014-04-15 09:57:44 AM

Brick-House: You libs really ought to read a little history and see that the founding fathers wanted a Federal Government with LIMITED POWERS leaving matters like this to the states.


The founding father also didn't want women or men without property to be able to vote.  What's your point?  Things change.  We don't live in an 18th century agrarian, slave holding society anymore.

Everyone's definition of limited powers is different.  I know that you think that you are channeling our sexist, racist founding fathers who didn't even agree amongst themselves, but that doesn't bolster Bundy's claim.
 
2014-04-15 09:57:49 AM
TheGogmagog: I had been ignoiring the situation, but thought it was time to brush up on it.  I don't have an opinion on rancher's use of federal lands without further investigation.

"Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested for taking pictures along State Route 170, which had been closed, and his camera was confiscated Bundy says."

/Shiat just got real.
 
2014-04-15 09:59:45 AM

Brick-House: You libs really ought to read a little history and see that the founding fathers wanted a Federal Government with LIMITED POWERS leaving matters like this to the states.


Was George Washington a founding father? I kinda think so. You know what happened when a pack of militia loons decided to defy federal authority and not pay the Whiskey Tax? The founders experienced a weak federal government subservient to the states under the Articles of Confederation AND GOT RID OF IT.
 
2014-04-15 10:00:27 AM

Truther: /in this case, I don't think threatening federal officials with guns was smart
//but one of the reasons the founding fathers wanted the right to bear arms was to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical
///these folks believe that the government was being tyrannical with the excessive show of force


And Richard Chase killed people and drank their blood because "he needed to prevent Nazis from turning his blood into powder via poison they had planted beneath his soap dish."  His delusions didn't make his actions less criminal.

And yes, thinking that you need to be ready to violently overthrow the US government because tyranny is coming ANY SECOND is just about the same level of crazy as thinking you can drink other people's blood to counteract poison Nazis planted beneath your soap dish.

Anti-psychosis medication would do these folks a lot more good than firearms.
 
2014-04-15 10:00:41 AM

Lee451: AdamK: Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,

nah a lot of people would say he's an idiot for growing pot on public property

just because you're a moron doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want

His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something. These threads have shown me that Farkers are more pro-authority than anyone imagined.


Why should that count for anything? The Feds still owned the land before the BLM existed. If I rent a house from Joe Smith, and he sells the house to a new partnership called Landlords, LLC, do I get to stop paying on account of the fact that I rented the houses prior to that LLC? Do I get to decide I'm going to pay someone else instead? Am I going to be considered a hero if I just stop paying?

Of course not. I would be a lunatic. Just like Bundy.
 
2014-04-15 10:03:31 AM
This thread gave me cancer.
 
2014-04-15 10:05:40 AM

Publikwerks: poison


Brilliant.  That will only hurt the cattle, right?  Did you know Desert Tortoises eat grass too?  It needs to be pesticide and herbicide free.

Educate yourself here:  http://www.anapsid.org/tortdiet.html
 
2014-04-15 10:06:01 AM

menschenfresser: One thing I've noticed and wondered about regarding conservative types in general - from the "limited government" sane ones through to the wackadoo militia types we have here - is, why do they hate government no matter what it does? Isn't the whole idea of a democratic republic to have a government formed by the people themselves? Why would they hate that? Do they think they themselves are awful at governing or something? It doesn't make sense.

Add to that the fact that this republic setup was put together by the people they revere the most: the holy Founding Fathers (blessed be their names). This is the exact government set up by their heroes and yet, just the mention of the word "government" induces grumbles and eye rolls from them. Do they want no government at all?

My opinion is that conservatives still view this bogeyman "government" as if it were the fictional "tyrannical" British colonial government that the Founding Fathers (blessed be their names) toppled. But the government we have now isn't that at all; it's the one set up by the people who toppled and replaced that. It just makes zero sense.


I think it has to do with the fact that the federal government no longer backs the rights of white, christian men over everyone else.
 
2014-04-15 10:08:11 AM

lantawa: FnkyTwn: Nutsac_Jim: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

This has been debunked by everybody.... EVEN BY FOX NEWS. The solar deal in question has nothing to do with the land that's associated with this standoff.

Like always, there is a grain of truth in it (Like Obama really was born in Hawaii, but McCain really was born in Panama). There was/is a deal with a solar company that Reid's son is involved with, but it's in a completely different part of the state, and they don't have any more access/rights to Federal land than Bundy does.

But wait, there's more!  What about THIS story about THIS solar development project.  Bet you can't prove it incorrect......

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada- so lar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/


Bundy's running his cattle on reservation land?
 
2014-04-15 10:09:32 AM

neversubmit: Wouldn't have been great if these guys had shown up to OWS? The bankers would still be cleaning out their shorts.


They would never do anything to harm the benevolent, beneficent, honorable, holy, mom-and-pop multinational corporations that the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebil gubmint is keeping down with their 0% effective tax rates and burdensome regulations like "don't dump your toxic waste into the river"...
 
2014-04-15 10:09:49 AM

dittybopper: abhorrent1: the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck

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I know that's supposed to make people think you are smart, but it actually does the opposite.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fine_Art_of_Baloney_Detection

At a bare minimum, that's an ad hominem (you're saying the source bad, therefore the information *MUST* be bad), but you also aren't encouraging open debate, you're trying to dismiss it.

That sort of thing leads to intellectual incest.  No matter what you may think of the source, you have to consider that in any one individual case, that source may in fact be correct.

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A simple record won't turn you into the King of England, Number One.


oi39.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-15 10:11:29 AM

lantawa: ciberido: lantawa: Reid the rules.  That's all you need to know or do, tax slaves.
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I think we need a drinking game.  Everyone take a swig when called "tax slave."

The drinking gods of foolishness smile upon you, my son.  Behold, and bask in the radiance of the pleasure that you give them. But too much taxation with insufficient representation is a thing, my son. Word[i466.photobucket.com image 266x283]


That's cute.  I'm probably better off not knowing what it actually is a photo of, but it's cute all the same.
 
2014-04-15 10:14:59 AM
Bundy and those who opposed the BLM doing what they are authorized to do should be charged with sedition.

18 US Code 2384: Seditious Conspiracy:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384">http://www.law.corne ll.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
2014-04-15 10:15:08 AM

Miss Alexandra: What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.


I'll bite.

Most people on the left and right are against illegal immigration.  You, specifically, are against them stealing our resources.

Would you agree, then, that a system should be set in place where these people can pay taxes?  Maybe give them a card of some sort, where they can work legally and then pay income and payroll taxes on their labor?

Would you also agree that the government should come down on businesses and job creators who employ ILLEGAL immigrants with an iron fist?
 
2014-04-15 10:17:28 AM

WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.


False. They continue to damage federally-protected wildlife on the federally-owned land, which they've refused to pay for over the last 20 years, because they refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the United States government.
 
2014-04-15 10:20:17 AM
So when are they going to fire a few hellfire missiles at these ranchers so Fark's bloodlust gets satisfied?
 
2014-04-15 10:20:36 AM
Cliven Bundy's cattle will be taken into custody at a minimal monetary expenditure. Total operation cost: 134 thousand credits under budget. Congratulations. Be efficient, be happy.
www.microscopics.co.uk
 
2014-04-15 10:21:45 AM
I am astonished there is anyone at all defending Bundy on this. He's so blatantly in the wrong, his position is pretty much indefensible.

This thread has been a useful tool in exposing the most worthless idiots on Fark. I'm just disgusted.
 
2014-04-15 10:22:51 AM

MythDragon: As usual, Chick has the answer.
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heh-"phony calls"
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**forhead smack**
OK, what is THAT tract about?  Hippies?  Marijuana?
 
2014-04-15 10:23:30 AM

KyngNothing: MechaPyx: LordJiro: Mrbogey: 
Technically this all Native American land and we should be paying THEM rent.
But I digress. The government makes up whatever rules they want and act like absolute jerks most of the time. His family has been on that land for generations. Then the feds come along and start tacking on fees and screwing with them. I wouldn't feel particularly cooperative either.

But did they own it? So you'd be ok with a large oil company setting up wells, or someone starting a mine on federal land, as long as no one notices for a while?



Sure! That's how the U.S. got it's start right? People moved right in and by the time anyone noticed it was too late. Now we walk around like we own the farkin' place. Oh...we do. But we let the Natives sublet a really crummy spot in the corner(until the government decides it needs it for something or other and takes that too).
 
2014-04-15 10:24:20 AM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I am astonished there is anyone at all defending Bundy on this. He's so blatantly in the wrong, his position is pretty much indefensible.

This thread has been a useful tool in exposing the most worthless idiots on Fark. I'm just disgusted.


A few people have surprised me, to be honest.  This thread has separated a few people from being far right wing douches from the out right trolls.
 
2014-04-15 10:24:30 AM

randomjsa: Ah, the liberal internet hate machine and propaganda force is getting in to full swing I see. I figure by the end of the month the militia group will be terrorists and modern day fascists or something.

By the way if liberals really believed in the things they claim to, they would be supporting the Bundy Ranch. but liberals don't actually believe the things they claim to.


If they were planning on putting women up as human shields, then they were terrorists. That's a terrorist tactic. It is Glenn Beck's site that originally highlighted the quote, by the way.
 
2014-04-15 10:24:55 AM
Anyone who even thinks this is a good idea are farking evil SOBs and their removal from the gene-pool will be no loss to the human race whatsoever. Want to start a fight? Put yourself in the farking front ye bunch of pansies.
 
2014-04-15 10:25:32 AM

menschenfresser: One thing I've noticed and wondered about regarding conservative types in general - from the "limited government" sane ones through to the wackadoo militia types we have here - is, why do they hate government no matter what it does? Isn't the whole idea of a democratic republic to have a government formed by the people themselves? Why would they hate that? Do they think they themselves are awful at governing or something? It doesn't make sense.

Add to that the fact that this republic setup was put together by the people they revere the most: the holy Founding Fathers (blessed be their names). This is the exact government set up by their heroes and yet, just the mention of the word "government" induces grumbles and eye rolls from them. Do they want no government at all?

My opinion is that conservatives still view this bogeyman "government" as if it were the fictional "tyrannical" British colonial government that the Founding Fathers (blessed be their names) toppled. But the government we have now isn't that at all; it's the one set up by the people who toppled and replaced that. It just makes zero sense.


Due to work I travel to Utah and Nevada quite often. There is a tremendous number of people that side with Bundy and his militia types. Why? He's not an underdog. Bundy is a wealthy man. Most ranchers are. Given the size of his herd that's over $1million every year in income. These folks really have given up on the idea that "government by the people" works.

They are large in number. They seem to be ready, "I'm ready to pull the trigger if fired upon," one of the anti-government activists said. This right-wing movement is not going away anytime soon. Legal arguments are not going to persuade them. Telling them that the government they despise is the representative government the founding fathers assembled does not persuade them. They believe the US is ruled by despots, elections are rigged and there are millions of deadbeats, usually dark skinned, who get a free ride on a permanent basis.

It makes zero sense unless you hear how adamant the US right wing has become.
 
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