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2014-04-15 08:57:01 AM  

IlGreven: ...filing tax liens, etc will make him just as much of a martyr to these folks as it would if they'd just gotten in a Ruby Ridge-esque firefight.  To them, any government action is too much government action, even the modest actions they've already done.


True, but the mainstream media isn't going to cover the administrative proceedings wherein the federal government attaches a lien to all of Mr. Bundy's taxable property.  That dampens the rebels' attempts to turn public opinion in their favor.
 
2014-04-15 08:57:05 AM  

Abuse Liability: I just take offense to your stereotyping and your glaring inability to see these women as anything but meat shields.


Exactly. They might be retards, but their balls are bigger than anyone in this threads. They CHOSE to be retarded and back up this crazy endeavor to protect a horrible man and his stupid fight that's gone on for 20 years now.

If they choose to be human shields, that's laudable, even if they're on the wrong side of the issue. They're taking the path of Gandhi and the Buddha, in a way. I certainly wouldn't even lift my littlest finger to help Bundy or his coos, let alone risk my life by getting in a crossfire zone.

And, don't forget, it's worked so far. The BLT actually backed off.
 
2014-04-15 08:57:28 AM  
That militia is nothing but a bunch of cowards and thieves. All of them.
 
2014-04-15 08:57:50 AM  

CRtwenty: Man, if these guys lost Glenn Beck who do they have left?


Guys like Dreck, Limpblow and Insanity don't really believe their own rhetoric.  You think Putin would allow clowns like these on the airwaves in Russia?  The right-wing talk derp-o-sphere exploits the newly disenfranchised white working/middle class for their won benefit.  The last thing any of them would want to see is a US run by the likes of Bundy and his friends.

As for the gubermint's response to Bundy, they did the right thing.  The gov is providing these "patriots" with enough rope to hang themselves with.   I'm gonna guess their encore will be to start lynching illegals for trespassing on "their" land.
 
2014-04-15 08:58:41 AM  

LordJiro: Mrbogey: The best part of all of this is watching the "99%" Occupy supporters ready to kill someone who won't pay money to a group of select folks who used the past fees to run the people off their land.And the Left in America wonders why Right wingers want guns. All their talk of peace and human rights is akin to smiling at and sweet talking a dog till you get a big enough rock to smash its head in.

Except the land in question isn't 'their' land. It's the US Government's land. You're cheering for an asshole who decided to stop paying rent. A deadbeat.


Actually, he's got a slice of a point in there buried under all that stupid.  If Occupy supporters had come out armed and threatening to kill the cops that were confronting them maybe they would have been given a modicum of respect by the people who were so ready to crush them with violence.

Another piece of evidence in the growing pile that indicates that the only way to get anything done in this country is to do the wrong thing until people give up trying to correct you.
 
2014-04-15 09:00:16 AM  

Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]

What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.


...meanwhile, everyone else is wondering why it's not okay when it's an illegal noncitizen, but it's okay when it's a sovereign citizen who claims he's not an American? (and yes, he has claimed that. Numerous times.)
 
2014-04-15 09:00:18 AM  

doglover: You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful.


But guns?  2nd amendment?  Watering the tree of liberty?
 
2014-04-15 09:00:55 AM  

Publikwerks: people like myself don't want anyone killed, but we also think that if you take up arms against this country, that the government have every right to curb stomp you, especially if you're wrong.


May I ask two serious questions? If it gets too personal don't answer me and if you want to disagree with anything I've posted that's okay but:

Q1: Were you raised in one of the original 13?

Q2: If not, which state do you consider "home"?
 
2014-04-15 09:00:58 AM  

neomunk: Actually, he's got a slice of a point in there buried under all that stupid. If Occupy supporters had come out armed and threatening to kill the cops that were confronting them maybe they would have been given a modicum of respect by the people who were so ready to crush them with violence


I'm amazed that liberals never use force.
 
2014-04-15 09:01:11 AM  

WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.


Who?

The Blaze?

way south: Blm needs to put its guns and body armor back in the locker and look for more negotiable alternatives for sharing the land. Even if it means having extreme patience and suffering the company of idiots for a few years. Its better than a shootout.


BLM did de-escalate. They do not and should not need to "share" the land with this asshole on his terms. He can abide with the regulations like the other ranchers do or fark off.

Twenty farking years is pretty goddamn patient.
 
2014-04-15 09:02:35 AM  
They're freaking cows. They do what they want.
 
2014-04-15 09:02:55 AM  

LordJiro: Mrbogey: The best part of all of this is watching the "99%" Occupy supporters ready to kill someone who won't pay money to a group of select folks who used the past fees to run the people off their land.And the Left in America wonders why Right wingers want guns. All their talk of peace and human rights is akin to smiling at and sweet talking a dog till you get a big enough rock to smash its head in.

Except the land in question isn't 'their' land. It's the US Government's land. You're cheering for an asshole who decided to stop paying rent. A deadbeat.


Yeah, just like the 1% who keep all of their money in offshore bank accounts.  TOTALLY different,
 
2014-04-15 09:03:19 AM  

neomunk: Actually, he's got a slice of a point in there buried under all that stupid. If Occupy supporters had come out armed and threatening to kill the cops that were confronting them maybe they would have been given a modicum of respect by the people who were so ready to crush them with violence.


Are you serious?  Letting cows shiat all over the desert is one thing, farking with Goldman Sachs is on an entirely different level.
 
2014-04-15 09:03:39 AM  

neomunk: Actually, he's got a slice of a point in there buried under all that stupid.  If Occupy supporters had come out armed and threatening to kill the cops that were confronting them maybe they would have been given a modicum of respect by the people who were so ready to crush them with violence.


...from a media that's owned by the very corporations they're protesting? There's no way they're going to paint that as a success, even if it were successful. Didn't matter what they did; if they'd've done the exact same thing the Tea Partiers did, they'd be labeled copycats.
 
2014-04-15 09:06:12 AM  

doglover: Publikwerks: people like myself don't want anyone killed, but we also think that if you take up arms against this country, that the government have every right to curb stomp you, especially if you're wrong.

May I ask two serious questions? If it gets too personal don't answer me and if you want to disagree with anything I've posted that's okay but:

Q1: Were you raised in one of the original 13?

Q2: If not, which state do you consider "home"?


1.Kinda - Maine
2. Maine

I am a direct decedent of William Bradford, governor of Plymouth Colony
 
2014-04-15 09:06:57 AM  

Publikwerks: doglover: Publikwerks: people like myself don't want anyone killed, but we also think that if you take up arms against this country, that the government have every right to curb stomp you, especially if you're wrong.

May I ask two serious questions? If it gets too personal don't answer me and if you want to disagree with anything I've posted that's okay but:

Q1: Were you raised in one of the original 13?

Q2: If not, which state do you consider "home"?

1.Kinda - Maine
2. Maine

I am a direct decedent of William Bradford, governor of Plymouth Colony


That was meant to mean that my family roots go back to an Original colony
 
2014-04-15 09:07:10 AM  
img.fark.net

I've seen how this turns out.

Incidentally, here is how I would handle this situation.

"Kids...you come out of there now and put down your toys.  I'm going to give you to the count of ten and then I will come in there and spank you."

Spanking doesn't have to be lethal.  Just start airdropping pig shiat and weaponized durian fruit all over their entire compound.  Then let nature do its smelly work.  They'll come out.
 
2014-04-15 09:08:14 AM  

doglover: It's how you beat the US. You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful. But they're HIGHLY vulnerable to bad press and pretty bipolar of government.

You just have make the problem thorny enough for them to back down or do something stupid. When they do either, the little guy can win. That's how the Taliban has been fighting the war Afganistan. Sure, we've got military superiority in the field, but they basically control the country no matter what we do because the country wants them. We kill one, two more pop up to avenge him a little later.

It's the same thing here. The women are just as batshiat crazy anti-govenment as the men. The difference is that if a few of them get shot, the whole country will rise up against the BLM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THEIR(the women's) FAULT THEY WERE EVEN AT THE STUPID RANCH, and Bundy might just win his retarded little war.

Now there's various ways to counter all this without it coming to bloodshed, but if the BLM is as bungling as the ATF, don't be surprised if they're not even tried. But you have to give them militia people props. They know what their odds are.


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2014-04-15 09:08:53 AM  

poot_rootbeer: IlGreven: ...filing tax liens, etc will make him just as much of a martyr to these folks as it would if they'd just gotten in a Ruby Ridge-esque firefight.  To them, any government action is too much government action, even the modest actions they've already done.

True, but the mainstream media isn't going to cover the administrative proceedings wherein the federal government attaches a lien to all of Mr. Bundy's taxable property.  That dampens the rebels' attempts to turn public opinion in their favor.


He just learned he has 1,500 buddies that would come and stand with him, guns ready to blaze, against a federal government who's only looking to keep his cows on his land.  Do you really think those 1,500 people won't come again against a federal government coming to seize property from a tax lien?  Hell, I'll bet he'll get 3,000 at that point, and celebrity help from tax cheats like Wesley Snipes and the Hovind family.

Again, this can have a peaceful end (in which case he gets away with his transgression and emboldens many others to do similar), or it can end justly (in which case, however it gets there, the federal government will have to fire on him and his supporters, thus getting blood on their hands and making him a martyr, and emboldening many others to do similar).  It cannot have both.
 
2014-04-15 09:10:27 AM  

notto: argument against Bundy is very consistent with the Occupy arguments against banks.  Bundy wants to make the risk public by grazing public lands without paying fees or without limits or oversight while making the profits private.  You are paying for the services this well off businessman is using without seeing any of the profits


Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.

When Occupy was defended for taking over public land, the response was "that's what civil disobedience is". Yet here we are with the same folks outraged that someone is breaking the rules until the rules treat him fairly.
 
2014-04-15 09:11:08 AM  

natas6.0: I want to say this is what got people to remove the american royalty and start over
but it won't
just a little group of people who work with their hands,
discredited by the information machine that feeds us.
and they'll lose


That's a terrible limerick.
 
2014-04-15 09:12:04 AM  

doglover: It's how you beat the US. You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful. But they're HIGHLY vulnerable to bad press and pretty bipolar of government.


No it isn't. Public opinion is fickle. You think these people will gather again next month and monthly if need be to defend this dudes cattle?

He will lose, not through one cut, but thousands of tiny ones.

The way to win is the courts. That's how the guy from Ruby Ridge won. Not by getting into a shootout that got his family killed. But by going to the courts after he put his weapons down.
 
2014-04-15 09:12:08 AM  

jso2897: I wonder when there will be some actual news on this story again?


When BLM hands it off to the IRS and they keep it real.
 
2014-04-15 09:12:09 AM  
This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.
 
2014-04-15 09:12:13 AM  

JohnnyC: After seeing things like that dude with the rifle aimed at people from behind that cement embankment and the various other asshats threatening violence if they don't get their way.... The obvious conclusion I'm lead to there is that those people want an opportunity to shoot their fellow Americans.

Given that the government folks backed off a bit out of fear of safety for everyone involved, I can only conclude that they aren't interested in shooting their fellow Americans (or even seeing anyone get hurt).

So whether or not the "militia" folks were planning on using women as a shield or not... it doesn't seem very hard to figure out who the good folks are here.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure the only people who are impressed by these "militia" folks are other people who really want an opportunity to shoot their fellow Americans as well.


I stand by my idea of letting M1 tanks and Apache helicopters use his herd for soft target practice.
 
2014-04-15 09:12:35 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".

Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?


That's crazy.  Nobody has enough stamps to mail one hundred thousand troops, and even if they did, you know they'd arrive mangled or late.
 
2014-04-15 09:12:51 AM  

Graffito: doglover: You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful.

But guns?  2nd amendment?  Watering the tree of liberty?


Are you for real with your ignorant false dichotomy?

The desired effect of the second amendment was manifold, but the main push was something along the lines of the old English law where any man of a certain age was required to practice with the Longbow one day per week. The goal is to have a population that has their own weapons and the wherewithal to use them. This means that when the government drafted troops, they wouldn't have to train or arm them, meaning they could field a huge amount of ready archers with on a tiny budget.

In the case of the US, this means that every G-Man was raised with guns, so they know how to use 'em pretty damn well and should clean the clocks off anyone who WASN'T raised with guns and only had a few weeks' training. This actually played out for real in WWII when the best fighter pilots and snipers were all farm boys.

In the case of the militias, there's other amendments at play. The second amendment doesn't factor in at all because the government has more money, more people, AND the same rights.
 
2014-04-15 09:13:02 AM  

Spanky McStupid: If this is true, this makes the Bundy people no better than Al Quida (or however the hell that bunch spells their organization's name.)


Actually, this sounds more like something Hamas would do against the Israelis...fire on armed troops while hiding behind women and children.  Provoke the other side into giving you a bunch of bloody, innocent bodies to show to the press.
 
2014-04-15 09:13:15 AM  

Felgraf: Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]

What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.

I think it's hysterical, people accusing illegal aliens of 'stealing resources' without being able to give concrete examples of what they're 'stealing' (oil?), but ignore and *cheer* for a moocher in plain view, who *ADMITS* he's a moocher, but just doesn't want to pay for what he's taken.


Meh. She's from stormfront, it's always racial with her.
 
2014-04-15 09:14:00 AM  

OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".


I was picturing the Bunny Ranch's Women first policy.

/Giggity
 
2014-04-15 09:14:01 AM  
Mrbogey:
Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.

So, he doesn't really want to pay his money.  Your argument is silly.   If he wants to pay his money, absolutely nothing is stopping him from paying it, other than his unwillingness to pay it.
 
2014-04-15 09:14:19 AM  
There's a 1000 people standing out in the desert supporting this free loader?  Don't these people have jobs?
 
2014-04-15 09:15:07 AM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.

Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".


So.... Occupy Wall Street was gearing up for a shooting match?
 
2014-04-15 09:15:08 AM  

dittybopper: *On the one hand, the government tried to basically put him out of business, reducing the head he could graze on that land from 1,000 to 150.  Think about how you'd feel if the government said you were no longer allowed to work 40 hours a week, just 6 hours, and that you weren't getting any compensation for the lost wages.


No, this is a guy who's been cheating a government welfare system for 20 years an the government has finally decided to cut off his benefits and make him rely on the private market.  But since he fits the stereotypical profile of a teabagger instead of a "welfare queen", the anti-government-handout crowd is rallying behind him to ensure he can continue receiving his government freebies.

And before you go all "b-b-but libs!", liberals don't like people scamming the government for money, either.  The problem is that most conservative solutions blanketly punish everyone for the crimes of a few, which is a solution liberals oppose (the Type 1 error vs Type 2 error preference that has been suggested a lot).  This is one guy who can be singled out and dealt with without unnecessarily burdening law-abiding ranchers.
 
2014-04-15 09:15:20 AM  

hubiestubert: Snarfangel: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]
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Of course. When someone gets a freebie for twenty years, they become dependent on it, and see it as an entitlement.

Pretty Gottverdammt much. And folks are lining up to defend him...because?


It's my understanding it's a State vs Fed issue.  Bundy claims he wanted to pay Clark County for the grazing and that it wasn't the Feds place.  Eh. seems weak.

However the Feds sending in armed rangers, helicopters and seizing the cattle seemed a bit of overreach, no? Esp. so when they had no one to take the cattle and it looked like the cattle would be harmed. They ended up tasing Bundy's son.  From what i've read Bundy seems to have the local support (as well as the support of milita's from other States).
 
2014-04-15 09:15:31 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,

And if he wore hot pants on Tuesdays we'd all be dying our hair purple.  Your point?


Yes, I can see the stoners in here doing just that
 
2014-04-15 09:15:55 AM  

Pick: This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.

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2014-04-15 09:15:57 AM  

Mrbogey: notto: argument against Bundy is very consistent with the Occupy arguments against banks.  Bundy wants to make the risk public by grazing public lands without paying fees or without limits or oversight while making the profits private.  You are paying for the services this well off businessman is using without seeing any of the profits

Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.

When Occupy was defended for taking over public land, the response was "that's what civil disobedience is". Yet here we are with the same folks outraged that someone is breaking the rules until the rules treat him fairly.


So can we see the difference between unarmed civil disobedience and being arrested for your beliefs, and armed insurrection and threatening a federal officer?

Maybe we can get you a coloring book. With small words.
 
2014-04-15 09:16:49 AM  

ScaryBottles: doglover: nd quite frankly anyone who's never fought a woman doesn't even know the meaning of courage.
So do you fight women often?


It sounds like he spends more time with sheep.
 
2014-04-15 09:17:05 AM  

Danger Mouse: .  From what i've read Bundy seems to have the local support (as well as the support of milita's from other States).


That's doesn't make him right.
 
2014-04-15 09:17:19 AM  

Mrbogey: Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.

When Occupy was defended for taking over public land, the response was "that's what civil disobedience is". Yet here we are with the same folks outraged that someone is breaking the rules until the rules treat him fairly.



A) Nobody, not even assholes in cowboy boots, get to decide how their taxes and fees are spent. He can suck it long and suck it hard.

B) If he gave 2 shots about land rights he would pay the fees since the rightful owner of the property has the right to collect fees for use.

C) Occupy was exercising free speech, not operating a commercial for-profit venture
 
2014-04-15 09:18:00 AM  

JackieRabbit: Cattle farmers and ranchers lease non-BLM pasture all the time and they pay a hell of a lot more in fees on the private market than they would to the BLM. This crazy farker is just an asshole with boots, not to mention a criminal.


Pretty damn much. He's not a hero, he's just a moocher who is mad that he can't skew his business model with what he thinks of as an entitlement, which gives him a competitive edge for his business. Slap him with fines, fines, fines, and if they are enough, put a lien on the property for it, and call it good, and then when he comes to court, arrest his ass for the rest of the charges. He's not a hero, he's just an asshat looking for his handout.
 
2014-04-15 09:18:25 AM  

Miss Alexandra: Because People in power are Stupid: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 521x350]

What part of "government OF, BY, and FOR the people" don't people get?

This just cracks me up, people accusing Cliven Bundy of "stealing" from the government...yet don't mind illegal aliens flocking over here and stealing everyone's resources.


WTF do illegal aliens have to do with this?

Do your right-wing sensibilities tell you that when some asshole cheats the welfare system that they're rockin' it OF, BY and FOR the people? That's what this little shiat-for-brains rancher is doing. The difference being, nobody cares if the government swoops in and arrests the welfare cheat. But one stupid rancher? OMG! FASCISM!
 
2014-04-15 09:18:25 AM  

AdamK: Lee451: I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,

nah a lot of people would say he's an idiot for growing pot on public property

just because you're a moron doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want


His family grazing there before BLM came into existence should account for something. These threads have shown me that Farkers are more pro-authority than anyone imagined.
 
2014-04-15 09:19:04 AM  

Pick: This is a plot by Harry Reid to increase his family's wealth, by kicking Bundy off land his family has used for generations. Google it.


OK.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp
 
2014-04-15 09:19:05 AM  

Mrbogey: notto: argument against Bundy is very consistent with the Occupy arguments against banks.  Bundy wants to make the risk public by grazing public lands without paying fees or without limits or oversight while making the profits private.  You are paying for the services this well off businessman is using without seeing any of the profits

Except that's not the case. Bundy wants to pay his money. He just won't pay it to BLM. He wants the govt to stop using his money against his interests.

When Occupy was defended for taking over public land, the response was "that's what civil disobedience is". Yet here we are with the same folks outraged that someone is breaking the rules until the rules treat him fairly.


So he wants to "pay his money", but on his own terms? That's not how it works.

What is "unfair" about this? Truly, I haven't been following this at all - tell me, how is the government treating him unfairly? How are they treating him differently than other ranchers out west? What have they done to him that most other ranchers don't have to deal with?
 
2014-04-15 09:19:12 AM  

SpectroBoy: C) Occupy was exercising free speech, not operating a commercial for-profit venture


B... b...b...ut dirty hippies.
 
2014-04-15 09:20:18 AM  

randomjsa: Ah, the liberal internet hate machine and propaganda force is getting in to full swing I see. I figure by the end of the month the militia group will be terrorists and modern day fascists or something.

By the way if liberals really believed in the things they claim to, they would be supporting the Bundy Ranch. but liberals don't actually believe the things they claim to.


So explain to me why I should support these guys?  It looks to me like Bundy's been illegally using government land for years without paying rent. Why do you support him?
 
2014-04-15 09:20:22 AM  

doglover: Graffito: doglover: You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful.

But guns?  2nd amendment?  Watering the tree of liberty?

Are you for real with your ignorant false dichotomy?

The desired effect of the second amendment was manifold, but the main push was something along the lines of the old English law where any man of a certain age was required to practice with the Longbow one day per week. The goal is to have a population that has their own weapons and the wherewithal to use them. This means that when the government drafted troops, they wouldn't have to train or arm them, meaning they could field a huge amount of ready archers with on a tiny budget.

In the case of the US, this means that every G-Man was raised with guns, so they know how to use 'em pretty damn well and should clean the clocks off anyone who WASN'T raised with guns and only had a few weeks' training. This actually played out for real in WWII when the best fighter pilots and snipers were all farm boys.

In the case of the militias, there's other amendments at play. The second amendment doesn't factor in at all because the government has more money, more people, AND the same rights.


I disagree, with the reason being that the founding fathers were concerned with constraining federal powers with the bill of rights. They had just given the new Federal government a whole boatload of new powers over the articles of confederation, and Jefferson and the democrats were worried about the Federal Government trying to ride roughshod over the States. So they made sure that the states had the ability to hold the Federal government to task vis a vis armed rebellion., like they did during the civil war.

But those amendments DID NOT apply to the states until the 14th amendment. Up until then, the states were free to limit guns however they chose. So it wasn't that they were concerned about people being able to use guns. Hell, that's like the government being concerned about people being able to use the john now. It was something people knew how to do.
 
2014-04-15 09:20:27 AM  

Muta: There's a 1000 people standing out in the desert supporting this free loader?  Don't these people have jobs?


Just wait until Bundy gets the bill from NV Energy that includes the cost of recharging more than a thousand Hoverrounds. He'll be BEGGING the feds to take their land back.
 
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