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(Talking Points Memo)   Bundy Ranch 'militia' had strict women-first policy...in case of firefights with federal agency officers   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 673
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2014-04-15 06:39:58 AM
It's how you beat the US. You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful. But they're HIGHLY vulnerable to bad press and pretty bipolar of government.

You just have make the problem thorny enough for them to back down or do something stupid. When they do either, the little guy can win. That's how the Taliban has been fighting the war Afganistan. Sure, we've got military superiority in the field, but they basically control the country no matter what we do because the country wants them. We kill one, two more pop up to avenge him a little later.

It's the same thing here. The women are just as batshiat crazy anti-govenment as the men. The difference is that if a few of them get shot, the whole country will rise up against the BLM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THEIR(the women's) FAULT THEY WERE EVEN AT THE STUPID RANCH, and Bundy might just win his retarded little war.

Now there's various ways to counter all this without it coming to bloodshed, but if the BLM is as bungling as the ATF, don't be surprised if they're not even tried. But you have to give them militia people props. They know what their odds are.
 
2014-04-15 06:50:33 AM
The Blaze, the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck, flagged the comments made Monday by Richard Mack

So this is the oh-so-credible nugget we're going to launch another Bundy thread with?

Are the chicks in question at least hot?
 
2014-04-15 07:00:43 AM
I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".
 
2014-04-15 07:08:25 AM

fusillade762: The Blaze, the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck, flagged the comments made Monday by Richard Mack

So this is the oh-so-credible nugget we're going to launch another Bundy thread with?

Are the chicks in question at least hot?


The Blaze is usually pretty suspect when it comes to accuracy of reporting, but if they're going to call out a conservative group for being a bunch of calculating cowards, I'll tend to believe them.  It's against their agenda to make the Bundy folks look bad, so I can't see any reason why they'd make that up.

The photos from the standoff day seemed to have a lot of women and children around, which is the only reason why I think the BLM made the right choice to stand down.  It would have been bad press if some unarmed civilians were killed.  If it was just the crazy militia dudes and gun nuts standing around, I would have been all for the police rolling in and showing those yahoos how little their precious 2nd amendment rights will do for them when faced with an organized armed government response.

For now, the BLM should just attach a lien on the ranch for the unpaid grazing fees, foreclose on the property when he fails to pay, and throw him out on his ass unceremoniously.
 
Skr
2014-04-15 07:08:29 AM
but did anyone think of the children?
 
2014-04-15 07:09:06 AM
the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck

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2014-04-15 07:09:50 AM
You know if you ignore these people, they go away.
 
2014-04-15 07:10:50 AM
The more I hear about these traitorous morons, the more I wish the government had just solved the problem with a well-placed JDAM.
 
2014-04-15 07:11:34 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The Blaze is usually pretty suspect when it comes to accuracy of reporting, but if they're going to call out a conservative group for being a bunch of calculating cowards, I'll tend to believe them.


Good ol' confirmation bias. They're not trustworthy unless they agree with your preconceived notions. Interesting. Besides, I keep hearing how women shouldn't be kept from front-line combat. TheBlaze is just less misogynistic than you are, with your assumptions that women would obviously be worse at gunfighting than men. Sexist.
 
2014-04-15 07:12:10 AM
doglover: It's how you beat the US. You can't win against the US government in a firefight or the courts. They're too big and too powerful. But they're HIGHLY vulnerable to bad press and pretty bipolar of government.

As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".

The will of the American people is what has turned out to be weak.

It's pretty sad.
 
2014-04-15 07:16:59 AM
police rolling in and showing those yahoos how little their precious 2nd amendment rights will do for them when faced with an organized armed government response.
 

does not compute.
 
2014-04-15 07:17:54 AM

abhorrent1: the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck

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If you know who the media is biased against, you can usualy do a decent job of filtering out derp from articles. That's how I can watch Fox News without thinking Obongo is gonna personaly come to my house to take my guns and go to the old folk's home to shoot my grandmother.

But are there actualy any good news stations that don't feature the Obama fear of Fox or the Obama dick sucking fest of everyone else?
 
2014-04-15 07:18:28 AM

fusillade762: So this is the oh-so-credible nugget we're going to launch another Bundy thread with?

Are the chicks in question at least hot?


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/You decide.
 
2014-04-15 07:18:41 AM
I call bullshiat.
 
2014-04-15 07:19:50 AM
Militia propaganda. They learned from the best.
 
2014-04-15 07:20:52 AM

abhorrent1: the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck

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I know that's supposed to make people think you are smart, but it actually does the opposite.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fine_Art_of_Baloney_Detection

At a bare minimum, that's an ad hominem (you're saying the source bad, therefore the information *MUST* be bad), but you also aren't encouraging open debate, you're trying to dismiss it.

That sort of thing leads to intellectual incest.  No matter what you may think of the source, you have to consider that in any one individual case, that source may in fact be correct.

i1.ytimg.com

A simple record won't turn you into the King of England, Number One.
 
2014-04-15 07:21:07 AM

OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".


I keep seeing "Bunny Ranch."
 
2014-04-15 07:21:18 AM
Typical gun owners.
 
2014-04-15 07:21:26 AM

The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".


Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?
 
2014-04-15 07:21:30 AM
They failed to study their history. Specifically the callous disregard for women and children in particular. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco.
 
2014-04-15 07:22:36 AM

Deep Contact: Militia propaganda. They learned from the best.


They learned it from *YOU*, Dad.  They learned it from you.
 
2014-04-15 07:22:46 AM

WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.


Except when they don't
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2014-04-15 07:23:25 AM
Something something enemies foreign and domestic....*head scratch*  Blow the farker up.  Not ideal for a tax dodge, granted, but effective nonetheless.  The guy did not "win".  The US government isn't run by me and decided not to kill anyone.  That's not a loss.

Better idea, I guess, take all of the guy's herd, all of the property he does own in name and kick his ass out on the street.  Let him be a citizen independent of government support and trappings.
 
2014-04-15 07:24:50 AM
After seeing things like that dude with the rifle aimed at people from behind that cement embankment and the various other asshats threatening violence if they don't get their way.... The obvious conclusion I'm lead to there is that those people want an opportunity to shoot their fellow Americans.

Given that the government folks backed off a bit out of fear of safety for everyone involved, I can only conclude that they aren't interested in shooting their fellow Americans (or even seeing anyone get hurt).

So whether or not the "militia" folks were planning on using women as a shield or not... it doesn't seem very hard to figure out who the good folks are here.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure the only people who are impressed by these "militia" folks are other people who really want an opportunity to shoot their fellow Americans as well.
 
2014-04-15 07:25:23 AM

WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.


How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.
 
2014-04-15 07:27:01 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Muthaship: As Sun Tzu said, "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak".

Of course, Sun Tzu also said crap like, "Generally, operations of war require one thousand fast four-horse chariots, one thousand four-horse wagons covered in leather, and one hundred thousand mailed troops," so what does he know?


A lot, actually.

Don't mistake period specific advice for general advice that always applies.
 
2014-04-15 07:28:56 AM
Man, if these guys lost Glenn Beck who do they have left?
 
2014-04-15 07:29:24 AM

HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.


I don't think they even really care about him. I think they're just looking for a fight and this was the best opportunity for one that they could find. They just wanted the authorities to shoot first so they could satisfy their itchy trigger fingers and claim that they didn't start it.
 
2014-04-15 07:30:50 AM

CRtwenty: Man, if these guys lost Glenn Beck who do they have left?


AR-15 manufacturers and army surplus supply stores?
 
2014-04-15 07:30:51 AM
BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.
 
2014-04-15 07:32:02 AM

HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.


THIS.

File tax leans, cut off whatever AG support he can file for, seize his bank accounts.

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?
 
2014-04-15 07:32:26 AM
Not trying to defend the Bundy ranch crowd, but a questionable quote from one guy there about a strategy some of them were supposedly considering does not make it a "strict policy".
 
2014-04-15 07:34:13 AM
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2014-04-15 07:34:40 AM

dittybopper: That sort of thing leads to intellectual incest.


Is that like cybersex with your sister?
 
2014-04-15 07:34:50 AM

dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.


To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.
 
2014-04-15 07:34:53 AM
Refusing to shoot women on the front lines would be sexist.
 
2014-04-15 07:34:58 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-15 07:35:45 AM
What the hell does a brothel need a militia for?
 
2014-04-15 07:38:11 AM

jntaylor63: What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?


All is forgiven if you claim to support the GOP. You're only on the shiat list if you don't vote Republican.
 
2014-04-15 07:40:18 AM

jntaylor63: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.

THIS.

File tax leans, cut off whatever AG support he can file for, seize his bank accounts.

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?


He's white
 
2014-04-15 07:40:23 AM
If this is true, this makes the Bundy people no better than Al Quida (or however the hell that bunch spells their organization's name.)
 
2014-04-15 07:43:07 AM

JohnnyC: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.

I don't think they even really care about him. I think they're just looking for a fight and this was the best opportunity for one that they could find. They just wanted the authorities to shoot first so they could satisfy their itchy trigger fingers and claim that they didn't start it.


The funny thing is that I don't think most of them realize that you're not allowed to get into a gun battle with the government. No matter how patriotic you think you're being. The instances where it's not illegal to shoot a cop are pretty narrow and I don't think "because 'Murica" and "Muslim Socialist President" and "Muh Freedoms!" are going to fly in court when you're looking at multiple counts of murder and attempted murder.
 
2014-04-15 07:43:32 AM

namegoeshere: OregonVet: I'm a little dyslexic this morning- I keep reading it as "Brady Bunch".

I keep seeing "Bunny Ranch."


Jefferson: You're a Bundy and if you put a D where the N is, you're a buddy. 
Al: And if you put an N where the D is, I'm a bunny. What's your point?
 
2014-04-15 07:45:01 AM

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.


Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".
 
2014-04-15 07:45:27 AM

jntaylor63: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: You know if you ignore these people, they go away.

How does that work? They showed up to defend a wealthy deadbeat. Uncle Sam is going to collect.

THIS.

File tax leans, cut off whatever AG support he can file for, seize his bank accounts.

What amazes me on this is all of the local and national GOP support this guy was getting.  This man is a deadbeat and DOES NOT PAY HIS taxes.  Isn't this guy a moocher?  A taker?


I can think of a LOT of other "Americans" that don't pay taxes who deal drugs, take drugs, join gangs,  sit around on their a*s all day and see how many women they can knock up.  How is this guy any worse?
 
2014-04-15 07:46:08 AM
I still say that if Bundy had been growing illegal marijuana on public land Fark would have an apoplectic fit from the self-righteous indignation,
 
2014-04-15 07:47:41 AM

Spandau: What the hell does a brothel need a militia for?


Defend themselves from the jack booted thugs the government sends totrample upon our basic liberties.
 
2014-04-15 07:47:43 AM
Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.
 
2014-04-15 07:47:45 AM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: BTW, the article merely says they considered it, that it was a possible strategy, not that they actually agreed on it.

From a public relations standpoint, it makes sense.  Especially if they are unarmed.  Make the other side look like the bad guys.

To a gun nut, using women as human shields is good public relations.

Doesn't matter if it's a gun nut, or Occupy Wall Street.  In fact, OWS used a bunch of different groups, including elderly women and children.

"It's not bad when *WE* do it!".


I don't recall anyone in OWS being armed and threatening to shoot federal employees while hiding behind women. You're a farking lunatic.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-15 07:48:10 AM
dittybopper:

I know that's supposed to make people think you are smart, but it actually does the opposite.

Except with people who are familiar with Glen Beck.
 
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