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(Discovery)   Research that just became a leading contender for the Nobel Prize in "Duh" finds that when there is a big-assed mountain or river between two groups of people making it tough for them to communicate, they are more likely to develop separate languages   (news.discovery.com) divider line 22
    More: Obvious, Nobel Prize, social groups, new species, biodiversity, rivers, languages, Proceedings of the Royal Society  
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2014-04-14 04:41:42 PM
Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...
 
2014-04-14 04:43:02 PM
Next thing you know, they'll claim that improving communications among disparate groups leads to the demise of languages spoken by the smaller population.
 
2014-04-14 04:43:40 PM
There's thinking you know something and there's actually being able to prove it. That's the difference between a scientist and, for example, you.
 
2014-04-14 04:45:31 PM
Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...


I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?
 
2014-04-14 05:01:48 PM
This seems to be my day for talking about Nepal on Fark, I saw this firsthand...

I got to sit down with the "Andy Griffith" of the Annapurna range, he was a local sheriff in the hills of the Himalayas. His purview would have been one small county in Texas, but the way he described it it took him a month or so make the rounds. During the dry season it was a day's travel between towns, and during the wet season nobody went ANYWHERE because there were no passable roads. So yeah, add in the fact that it's all subsistence farming and there's no reason for anyone to visit the town on the other side of the hill, and things fragment. "Pop" becomes "soda." Dialects diverge. This study was trying to quantify that.
 
2014-04-14 05:02:36 PM

maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?


Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.
 
2014-04-14 05:09:32 PM
Mikey1969:

maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.


Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.
 
2014-04-14 05:19:38 PM

maxheck: Mikey1969:

maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.


People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.
 
2014-04-14 05:28:32 PM

jjorsett: There's thinking you know something and there's actually being able to prove it. That's the difference between a scientist and, for example, you.


Don't introduce facts here, this is Fark, we prefer jumping to conclusions based on assumptions.
 
2014-04-14 05:29:09 PM

Mikey1969: People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.


Paging Dunning and Kruger to the science thread... Dunning and Kruger...
 
2014-04-14 05:30:26 PM
Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.

People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.


Again, there is a difference between intuitively obvious and actually measured. Gravity is obvious to anyone who's ever dropped anything. But you can't build a space program on "Well, I know things fall, isn't that enough?"

I'm sure you were a bright anthro-101 student, but jeez...
 
2014-04-14 05:46:13 PM

maxheck: Again, there is a difference between intuitively obvious and actually measured. Gravity is obvious to anyone who's ever dropped anything. But you can't build a space program on "Well, I know things fall, isn't that enough?"I'm sure you were a bright anthro-101 student, but jeez...


This.

/Sometimes, when you measure something, even something as basic and universal as gravity, you find something surprising that leads you to other discoveries.
 
2014-04-14 06:07:09 PM

maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.

People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.

Again, there is a difference between intuitively obvious and actually measured. Gravity is obvious to anyone who's ever dropped anything. But you can't build a space program on "Well, I know things fall, isn't that enough?"

I'm sure you were a bright anthro-101 student, but jeez...


Let's be honest - as fascinating as linguistics may be, it's largely a huge farking waste of time.
 
2014-04-14 06:13:12 PM

moothemagiccow: maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.

People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.

Again, there is a difference between intuitively obvious and actually measured. Gravity is obvious to anyone who's ever dropped anything. But you can't build a space program on "Well, I know things fall, isn't that enough?"

I'm sure you were a bright anthro-101 student, but jeez...

Let's be honest - as fascinating as linguistics may be, it's largely a huge farking waste of time.


Yeah, who wants computers that talk like a human.
 
2014-04-14 06:15:31 PM

Mikey1969: maxheck: Mikey1969:

maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.

People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.


So how did the Welsh end up with thier own language?

I think politics also had a huge effect on language.
 
2014-04-14 07:43:32 PM

moothemagiccow: Let's be honest - as fascinating as linguistics may be, it's largely a huge farking waste of time.


What the fark do you know, you're a cow. It'd be a huge step forward for you to understand that rocks exist.

You keep eating your grass and being mildly amused by the funny gabbling noises those crazy humans keep making.
 
2014-04-14 08:06:55 PM

Mikey1969: Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...


I had a reply with examples of things we see as obvious after they were figured out and things obviously wrong after we found them wrong. Even some things discovered only in the process of fully detailing the obvious stuff.


But instead I think 8/10 might be a better response.
 
2014-04-14 09:20:05 PM

moothemagiccow: maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.

People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.

Again, there is a difference between intuitively obvious and actually measured. Gravity is obvious to anyone who's ever dropped anything. But you can't build a space program on "Well, I know things fall, isn't that enough?"

I'm sure you were a bright anthro-101 student, but jeez...

Let's be honest - as fascinating as linguistics may be, it's largely a huge farking waste of time.


Yeah well, in however many billions of years our planet and everything living on it is going to be long-since toast. Why bother doing anything? Its all pointless. Unless of course, we can stratify our knowledge and information and apply it in all sorts of ways throughout generations to inspire new ideas and concepts for the way we operate as societies and live as a species. Buuut nah. Waste of time.
 
2014-04-14 09:29:54 PM

Kuta: Next thing you know, they'll claim that improving communications among disparate groups leads to the demise of languages spoken by the smaller population.


That explains why English is spoken everywhere despite England being a wee island nation.

/don't blame us, they caused it here too
 
2014-04-14 09:54:52 PM

maxheck: Mikey1969:

Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

I know, rite? It's like volcano monitoring... Volcanos erupt, duh, Poindexter, it's not like you'd want to study things like that. Amirite?

Volcanoes are always changing and unpredictable. This is something totally predictable.Geographic borders separated tribes, and led to independent cultures and unique languages, as well as religious divides. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Ok, now quantify that and figure out the mechanisms with your gut feeling.

Gravity is also obvious. 9.8m*s^2 is measurement.

People didn't have vehicles and roads. Even a horse limited people to sometimes not even venture 20 miles from home in their lifetimes. Mountain ranges and large rivers without a ford cold limit that even more. Canyons and deserts would have the same effect. Jesus, all it takes is studying how people spread and settled across the world. I figured that out in 101-level Anthropology. You don't need a mathematical formula, you just need to look at history and maps.

Again, there is a difference between intuitively obvious and actually measured. Gravity is obvious to anyone who's ever dropped anything. But you can't build a space program on "Well, I know things fall, isn't that enough?"

I'm sure you were a bright anthro-101 student, but jeez...

I think it's more the shooting to the top of the list for a Nobel Prize.  It's a really big WTF as to how this could be the most important thing in the science.  Frankly knowing the exact coefficient of the size of the river has on language spreading isn't going to do jack shiat for making computers talk either.
 
2014-04-14 10:43:08 PM

Mikey1969: Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...


Learn GIS and databasing skills. Spend months compiling a spatial database of current languages and their extent. Unravel the problem of drawing "borders" between languages and multiple attribution for areas where multiple languages a spoken. Spend a few months writing the function to characterize a roughness of terrain, type of terrain, proximity to rivers, river densities, cost of travel raster, etc. for each language polygon. Then perform a high level geostatistical analysis of each of your variables to model the relationship of each to the number of languages spoken. Spend a few months writing the paper.
 
2014-04-15 08:08:36 AM

Elegy: Mikey1969: Jesus, how can I get paid for something so farking obvious?

Been saying this shiat on Fark for free...

Learn GIS and databasing skills. Spend months compiling a spatial database of current languages and their extent. Unravel the problem of drawing "borders" between languages and multiple attribution for areas where multiple languages a spoken. Spend a few months writing the function to characterize a roughness of terrain, type of terrain, proximity to rivers, river densities, cost of travel raster, etc. for each language polygon. Then perform a high level geostatistical analysis of each of your variables to model the relationship of each to the number of languages spoken. Spend a few months writing the paper. soaking the taxpayer who is footing the bill for the grant money.


FTFY
 
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