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2014-04-14 04:14:52 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Ancient jet.

It was obviously a tactic to gauge the US's response.


And I wish we had shot it down.

This wait and see attitude didn't work too well for the USS Cole.

The Russkies certainly don't hesitate to shoot shiat down that seems a threat - even if it's not a threat.  Ask the passengers on KAL 007.

We should have shot it the fark down and John Kerry should have tweeted, "lolwut #RussianFightersShotDown, #yourmovePootie"
 
2014-04-14 04:18:39 PM  
the fighter jet pestered the USS Donald Cook with continuous close fly-bys on Saturday

Go ahead, hot-shot.  Do that one more time.  I double dog dare you.   I bet I can really keep my finger off the trigger THIS time ;)
 
2014-04-14 04:26:11 PM  

tokyotron: the tower was also pretty full...


The tower? What is it?
 
2014-04-14 04:38:01 PM  
It's a tall structure with officers in it, but that's not important right now.
 
2014-04-14 04:41:37 PM  
All that wonderful highly technical machinery of war created by some of the best minds in the world and nobody thought to bring along a little green laser pointer.
 
2014-04-14 04:42:31 PM  

ferretman: Bet it followed the Russkie pilot the entire time:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1283]


This alone is why its a terrible idea to fly over any modern warship.
With more automated weapons being sent to the battlefield, its a matter of time before someone  leaves a switch in the wrong position.
 
2014-04-14 04:46:11 PM  

Random Internet Persona: It's a tall structure with officers in it, but that's not important right now.


You mean Subby's mom?
 
2014-04-14 04:46:13 PM  

way south: ferretman: Bet it followed the Russkie pilot the entire time:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1283]

This alone is why its a terrible idea to fly over any modern warship.
With more automated weapons being sent to the battlefield, its a matter of time before someone  leaves a switch in the wrong position.


CIWIS automation is pretty primitive.  You turn it on, and it kills everything it sees until it runs out of ammunition.   It's also a point defense weapon designed to guard against inbound missile attack.  It's not really an air defense weapon.   If it gets turned on, the shiat has long since hit the fan.
 
2014-04-14 04:47:32 PM  

dittybopper: That Guy Jeff: Given the sheer ... oddness of a lot of the pro-Russia comments I've seen, both from this event and others, I have to believe that the Russian government is paying people to post as much pro-Russian stuff as they can. The wording is just off, the terms used are odd, and a lot of the posts seemed designed to elicit emotion. Normally I would just say "trolling", but when a bunch of trolls appear to support a common cause, I have to switch to thinking it's propaganda.

I've noticed a little bit of that myself.

It reminds me of the Usenet discussions during the Hainan Island incident.  Whole bunch of people who used stilted English arguing that the US was the aggressor and even that the large, lumbering EP-3 somehow caused the incident by attacking the PLAN fighter, which is ludicrous.


Have you SEEN U.S. technology? It's MAGIC!
 
2014-04-14 04:50:29 PM  
seen working the radar that day...
archive.meemi.com

Not exactly a 'close' one
 
2014-04-14 05:04:34 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: Hey Russia,

we put those old ships out in the Black Sea to distract you while we maneuver THESE into striking distance.

[media.defenceindustrydaily.com image 850x615]


Heh

Doesn't matter if the tower is full when you're packing  rail guns ...biatch ..
 
2014-04-14 05:13:20 PM  
IoSaturnalia: FLMountainMan: Magorn:  Kathy King•
The Russians are also the only true Christian nation left on earth.

Rarely has so much fail been crammed into one sentence.

??

It's an orthodox viewpoint.


It's an idiotic viewpoint.  Forget that for eighty plus years churches were demolished or repurposed as other things and religion forcibly removed from the public sphere.  Presently, Putin rarely encourages the Christians left in the country, and when he does it's usually just to provide some balance against the Muslim separatists in the South.  Presently, 71% of the country does identify as Christian, but only 5% consider themselves observant.

So the commenter that Magorn quoted believes that a country in which 3.55% of the population of observant Christians is the last Christian nation on earth.

It's so stupid I want to believe it's a troll.
 
2014-04-14 05:14:12 PM  
Goddamnitsomuch

FLMountainMan: So the commenter that Magorn quoted believes that a country in which 3.55% of the population of are observant Christians is the last Christian nation on earth.

 
2014-04-14 05:27:56 PM  
One word...

Phalanx
 
2014-04-14 05:34:10 PM  

More of the Same: One word...

Phalanx


This wasn't anywhere near the Egyptian pyramids.
 
2014-04-14 05:40:00 PM  

More of the Same: One word...

Phalanx


If you're relying on CWIS, you probably farked-up bigtime.
 
2014-04-14 05:57:44 PM  

gfid: The more you eat the more you fart: Ancient jet.

It was obviously a tactic to gauge the US's response.

And I wish we had shot it down.

This wait and see attitude didn't work too well for the USS Cole.

The Russkies certainly don't hesitate to shoot shiat down that seems a threat - even if it's not a threat.  Ask the passengers on KAL 007.

We should have shot it the fark down and John Kerry should have tweeted, "lolwut #RussianFightersShotDown, #yourmovePootie"




To be fair, it's entirely possible/likely that the USA was in fact using a seemingly civilian airliner to conduct recon in Russian restricted air space, with the assumption that the Ruskies wouldn't call our bluff and shoot down "innocents". We thought wrong.

/Seemed like a good idea on paper, anyhow
 
2014-04-14 06:02:44 PM  

Alonjar: To be fair, it's entirely possible/likely that the USA was in fact using a seemingly civilian airliner to conduct recon in Russian restricted air space, with the assumption that the Ruskies wouldn't call our bluff and shoot down "innocents". We thought wrong.

/Seemed like a good idea on paper, anyhow


Do we even know it was shot down?  Several eyewitnesses say they saw thermite lining the aisles.  I'm guessing Halliburton.
 
2014-04-14 06:12:10 PM  

Fool0ndahill: All that wonderful highly technical machinery of war created by some of the best minds in the world and nobody thought to bring along a little green laser pointer.


Plus one to you sir! Well done!
 
2014-04-14 06:23:54 PM  
Soon the Russian Bear will be unleashed...

i1036.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-14 07:00:51 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: Hey Russia,

we put those old ships out in the Black Sea to distract you while we maneuver THESE into striking distance.

[media.defenceindustrydaily.com image 850x615]


150 years later, and we're back to using Ironclads.

i1116.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-14 07:07:18 PM  

PunGent: dittybopper: neongoats: Smoking GNU: gas giant: And the next thing you know, everybody will start wearing neon short shorts paired with knee socks and start listening to Twisted Sister.
The 80's were f*cking incredibly stupid, do we really have to go through all that sh*t again?

Apparently. From what i've seen, most hard core straight ticket voting republicans have a raging hardon when thinking about the possible return of the cold war.

And Putin. They love his fascist, bare chested, horseback riding manliness. They are damn near orgasmic with their awe of his sheer authoritarian-ness and iron fisted authority.

You know what?  I know a few conservatives.  They don't particularly care for Putin.  They see him as an ex-KGB agent.

In fact, I just held my nose and quickly perused Free Republic, and pretty much it sounds like they are in agreement that 'A *REAL* president wouldn't let Putin get away with that shiat:  Nobody buzzed us when Reagan was in office'.

Heh...odd how Freepers forget Bin Laden's statement about being emboldened by Reagan's failure to respond after the Marine barracks bombing.

/listen to your enemies
//sometime they're more honest than your "allies"


I don't think bin Laden had anything to do with that incident at all. It may have inspired him, but I don't know why since we were feeding his side weapons and advisors at the time. I don't think he had a bone to pick with the U.S. until Gulf War 1.
 
2014-04-14 07:16:00 PM  
Why is it that any nation can buzz our ships, but if we ever dared attempt the same at one of their's it would be opened fire upon and everyone would blame Uncle Sam for instigating a conflict?
 
2014-04-14 07:22:23 PM  
Is McCain shouting about Obama being weak yet?
 
2014-04-14 07:46:12 PM  

Alonjar: To be fair, it's entirely possible/likely that the USA was in fact using a seemingly civilian airliner to conduct recon in Russian restricted air space, with the assumption that the Ruskies wouldn't call our bluff and shoot down "innocents". We thought wrong.

/Seemed like a good idea on paper, anyhow


Even if it was on a spy mission (which I doubt), shooting it down was a bit much.

Were we testing the Soviet's defenses?  Maybe.  Was it clearly a civilian aircraft carrying regular people?  Definitely.
 
2014-04-14 08:06:37 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Why is it that any nation can buzz our ships, but if we ever dared attempt the same at one of their's it would be opened fire upon and everyone would blame Uncle Sam for instigating a conflict?


cuz everyone be like sooo jelly...
 
2014-04-14 08:09:31 PM  

Publikwerks: I don't know, but I bet his nuts enjoyed having 6 MW of RF directed at them.


Keyboard, you, etc...
 
2014-04-14 08:29:34 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: Hey Russia,

we put those old ships out in the Black Sea to distract you while we maneuver THESE into striking distance.

[media.defenceindustrydaily.com image 850x615]


Please, by all means, ask the "Ruskies" to hold off until 2016 when can we test these destroyers.
 
2014-04-14 10:22:04 PM  

gfid: Alonjar: To be fair, it's entirely possible/likely that the USA was in fact using a seemingly civilian airliner to conduct recon in Russian restricted air space, with the assumption that the Ruskies wouldn't call our bluff and shoot down "innocents". We thought wrong.

/Seemed like a good idea on paper, anyhow

Even if it was on a spy mission (which I doubt), shooting it down was a bit much.

Were we testing the Soviet's defenses?  Maybe.  Was it clearly a civilian aircraft carrying regular people?  Definitely.


We weren't testing the Soviet's defenses.

It was an airliner off course in the days before GPS was invented.  And the Soviets had shot down other way-ward airliners in the past.

And of course, they found the aircraft, recovered the black boxes and everything.  Had there been any actual evidence of a spy mission, like special radio receivers or cameras, they would have trumpeted it to the World.  But they didn't.

Hell, even the physics of their explanation of satellite orbits of the SIGINT satellites they say were part of the whole evil capitalist plan to spy on them was laughably wrong.

Oh, and I know a bit about the BURNING WIND and OLYMPIC GAME recon flights in those areas, and even back then they didn't overfly Soviet territory, not after the U-2 downing.

Fun piece of trivia:  The SR-71 never overflew the Soviet Union.
 
2014-04-14 11:36:11 PM  

dittybopper: Fun piece of trivia:  The SR-71 never overflew the Soviet Union.


Yabut: did it overfly Russia?
 
2014-04-14 11:50:47 PM  
These Russians seem to be getting a bit full of themselves.   Reminds me of the US right before the last time we invaded Iraq.
 
2014-04-15 12:16:35 AM  

Publikwerks: ReverendJynxed: How many buzzing noises and alarms did that bastard hear on his fly-by?

I don't know, but I bet his nuts enjoyed having 6 MW of RF directed at them.


Came for this... I hope they got the SPY into low power mode or else it's, "enjoy the brain tumor, Ivan!"
 
2014-04-15 08:55:06 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: BEER_ME_in_CT: Hey Russia,

we put those old ships out in the Black Sea to distract you while we maneuver THESE into striking distance.

[media.defenceindustrydaily.com image 850x615]

Heh

Doesn't matter if the tower is full when you're packing  rail guns ...biatch ..



The future is now...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rail-gun-u-s-navy-top-gun-a rt icle-1.1749616
 
2014-04-15 09:46:17 AM  
So the USA was very close to russia with warships and complains that russia was flying its planes, close to russia, around the american ships?

perspective anyone?
 
2014-04-15 10:26:37 AM  

Rent Party: BigNumber12: Rent Party: BigNumber12: Rent Party: They did while I was in. Early 1990s. I still have pictures taken from the F-14 escorting them on their flyby.

...well? Where are they?

On my desk at home, along with the original BDA photo montage from the Basra "Highway of Death" and some other tokens from the first gulf war.   We didn't have a whole lot of digital imagery back then.  Lots and lots of film, though.

I probably aught to scan 'em.

/ Adjusts onion belt.

Craziness. I hope you post them soon.

Here is a bad one (taken with my cell phone) of the Basra highway.  The black burn marks are blown up tanks and trucks.  These were taken after they had cleaned up all the bodies.

[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]
This one is of one of the USS Missouri's last actions.

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

Thanks, VF-1 TARPS!

I think I may scan these in tonight.


Crazy - thank you for posting.
 
2014-04-15 12:05:03 PM  

BigNumber12: Rent Party: BigNumber12: Rent Party: BigNumber12: Rent Party: They did while I was in. Early 1990s. I still have pictures taken from the F-14 escorting them on their flyby.

...well? Where are they?

On my desk at home, along with the original BDA photo montage from the Basra "Highway of Death" and some other tokens from the first gulf war.   We didn't have a whole lot of digital imagery back then.  Lots and lots of film, though.

I probably aught to scan 'em.

/ Adjusts onion belt.

Craziness. I hope you post them soon.

Here is a bad one (taken with my cell phone) of the Basra highway.  The black burn marks are blown up tanks and trucks.  These were taken after they had cleaned up all the bodies.

[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]
This one is of one of the USS Missouri's last actions.

[fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

Thanks, VF-1 TARPS!

I think I may scan these in tonight.

Crazy - thank you for posting.


No problems.  You've motivated me to scan them in for posterity, so thank's for that!

I do need to apologize to VF-2, though, as that's the squadron that actually shot the film, not VF-1.
 
2014-04-15 03:31:50 PM  

dready zim: So the USA was very close to russia with warships and complains that russia was flying its planes, close to russia, around the american ships?

perspective anyone?


The US was in International waters, and Russia decided to do something that is inherently dangerous.

Perspective, indeed.

Ever notice how the US doesn't do that - and never did that in the Cold War, even with Russian ships near OUR coast?

I'm sorry, but people seem to have this idea that this is how we'd react to people near us, as if it never happened on a regular farking basis during the Cold War. And you know what? Same thing happened back then. They'd light up our ships with fire control radar, we'd keep sailing and not return the favor. For one thing, it's dangerous. For another, we gather data on them and they get nothing from us.

No matter HOW you look at this, this kind of thing is "smartless" of the Russians.
 
2014-04-15 03:40:37 PM  
Send a drone into the windshield or intake ... problem solved.
 
2014-04-15 08:58:42 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Why is it that any nation can buzz our ships, but if we ever dared attempt the same at one of their's it would be opened fire upon and everyone would blame Uncle Sam for instigating a conflict?


Know how I can tell you're an only child?
 
2014-04-15 09:57:03 PM  

gunther_bumpass: TV's Vinnie: Why is it that any nation can buzz our ships, but if we ever dared attempt the same at one of their's it would be opened fire upon and everyone would blame Uncle Sam for instigating a conflict?

Know how I can tell you're an only child?


Alright. Show me a time any US planes did this to another nation's vessels and NOT catch a ton of sh*t from the International Community for it? Back in the 80's a pair of Libyan MIGs jumped a pair of USAF planes, and even though the Libyan planes were clearly in the wrong (and the MIGs got splashed, of course), the US still had to defend it's actions in the UN. Thankfully it had cockpit video to back up it's story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e3Fu2zeido
 
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