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(NPR)   Advice article for people just getting into online gaming tells them to ignore the social aspects of the game because online trolls are scary. Up next: advice article for dealing with non-communicative noobs ruining your favorite online game   (npr.org) divider line 38
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2014-04-14 02:49:06 PM  
4 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [img.fark.net image 457x657]


It's not that multiplayer games are bad (most of my gaming time is divided between TF2 and DotA), but there are way too many games that should be single player that have a multiplayer component attached to them.  Why does Sim City require an internet connection?
2014-04-14 02:41:37 PM  
4 votes:
Goddammit, stop making games that I need to interact with other people in order to play.

That's not what videogames are for.
2014-04-14 03:15:40 PM  
3 votes:
The world of online gaming would be sooo much better if parents would not buy their kids microphone headsets until they turned 18.
2014-04-14 02:48:43 PM  
3 votes:
There's no way in Bowser's lava I would have been able to beat Ninja Gaiden back in 1989 had some farktwit been screaming unfunny yo mamma jokes randomly into my ear.

In fact, back in the 1980s and '90s, such behavior was grounds for a punch in the face. We took our gaming fairly seriously back then too.
2014-04-14 02:37:26 PM  
3 votes:
god I mean if you're offended by racism, sexism and homophobia why are you even playing online videogames?
2014-04-14 04:05:04 PM  
2 votes:

durbnpoisn: I'm so farking out of touch with this stuff.  My son plays online with his friends all the time, due to the joys of XBox live, and whatnot.
It sounds pretty cool, being able to interact with everyone in real-time as you're going.  But it also makes him flip his lid in anger and frustration.

This I attribute to what it's like to play a game with or against actual people.  They are SO friggin unpredictable.  Many moons ago, when playing against others online was in its infancy (I'll use Dawn of Aces as a reference point - look it up.)  I thought I was pretty good.  Playing against the AI players, I could fly really well and kill the hell out of them.  First time I went on with other people, I found that everyone either sucked so bad, it was no fun, or they were SO friggin good, I thought they must be cheating.

Anyway... In those days, a little chat window was all you really had for interaction.  If you wanted to actually speak live with someone, you had to have a live phone call going on, which wasn't easy as the phone line was always tied up by the modem.

//Get off my lawn.


Game-rage is like road-rage. The problem is that you see cars or avatars, not people. So you get irrationally angry because you can't receive many communication cues from the other drivers/players. Thus, you tend to assume the worst about them because you can't really tell. It dehumanizes everyone.
2014-04-14 03:27:49 PM  
2 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [img.fark.net image 457x657]


That's hilarious!!!!  How did you find that photo of me?

Back on topic: Videogames were invented so people could have fun WITHOUT HAVING TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO PLAY WITH.  Stop ruining them by making having friends mandatory.  You don't need to be old to appreciate the benefits of not having to deal with other people.
2014-04-14 03:26:10 PM  
2 votes:

Fast Moon: This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.


I play female avatars (game devs typically give female avatars better fashion choices), but if guys bother me I casually bring up that I have a horrible cocaine addiction. 99% of the guys get confused and disoriented like a stun grenade just went off and stop talking to you while they try to comprehend just what happened.

The 1% that don't leave you alone are typically pretty interesting enough to keep as friends.
2014-04-14 02:58:17 PM  
2 votes:

Aidan: cgraves67: Don't get involved unless you are a) willing to dedicate a lot, A LOT, of time to the game, or b) you are fine with labeled derogatory terms. It takes a lot of time to get good skills, equipment, and access and to be well-regarded for them.

I have avoided any kind of interaction with other players on the vast majority of games I play because of this (and I avoid MMOs on the whole for this and other reasons). However I did actually find a tiny little MMO that I enjoy playing where almost all the people on the server are actually... Normal. No slurs, very little douchebaggery of any kind, and when it does happen, people just talk around the person doing it.

I like it, but it's so different from my experience that I'm always a bit weirded out by how... nice it all is...


That's another thing. Players' egos are alarmingly bound up in which game they play. As if that choice marks them as a superior member of the larger MMO-players community.
2014-04-14 02:57:35 PM  
2 votes:
Incommunicative noob here: I've learned not to talk to anybody. It's come from lots of experience.

Look I've tried talking to people, but first and foremost they tell me how terrible I am. (Hi everybody, I'm bad at video games and I don't give a shiat. You're 14 and you're tired of my shiat. But I'm in a newbie area and that's what it's for. You're a 40yo quadriplegic and you play this all day to keep from going crazy, I don't.)

Other problem is the assholes.
2014-04-14 09:09:40 PM  
1 votes:
I left my wife because of her mmophfommopho gaming addiction. Didn't mind her playing, but I did mind her talking all night long.

I listened to half a conversation for four months.
2014-04-14 04:57:01 PM  
1 votes:

llortcM_yllort: Aidan: I have avoided any kind of interaction with other players on the vast majority of games I play because of this (and I avoid MMOs on the whole for this and other reasons). However I did actually find a tiny little MMO that I enjoy playing where almost all the people on the server are actually... Normal. No slurs, very little douchebaggery of any kind, and when it does happen, people just talk around the person doing it.

I like it, but it's so different from my experience that I'm always a bit weirded out by how... nice it all is...

That's how I felt about MechWarrior Online.


And how I still feel about Titanfall. I came expecting the juvenile COD crowd, and instead I got either pure politeness, or silence.
2014-04-14 04:37:06 PM  
1 votes:

MaliFinn: People are terrible, internet or not


The truth.
2014-04-14 04:09:00 PM  
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: Female models also tend to be a bit smaller, like in some FPS games, so when someone's picking a target it's usually the bigger guy as it's an easier target(even if it's just a subconscious thing to the attacker and the hitboxes are the same sizes).


This was the deal in Quake / Quakeworld - the female model was harder to see if far down a corridor, or camping in a shadow, etc.

Then some joker added the "single transparent pixel" model to a popular model pack, and everybody turned 3rd-party models off after that.
2014-04-14 03:59:14 PM  
1 votes:
I'm so farking out of touch with this stuff.  My son plays online with his friends all the time, due to the joys of XBox live, and whatnot.
It sounds pretty cool, being able to interact with everyone in real-time as you're going.  But it also makes him flip his lid in anger and frustration.

This I attribute to what it's like to play a game with or against actual people.  They are SO friggin unpredictable.  Many moons ago, when playing against others online was in its infancy (I'll use Dawn of Aces as a reference point - look it up.)  I thought I was pretty good.  Playing against the AI players, I could fly really well and kill the hell out of them.  First time I went on with other people, I found that everyone either sucked so bad, it was no fun, or they were SO friggin good, I thought they must be cheating.

Anyway... In those days, a little chat window was all you really had for interaction.  If you wanted to actually speak live with someone, you had to have a live phone call going on, which wasn't easy as the phone line was always tied up by the modem.

//Get off my lawn.
2014-04-14 03:58:04 PM  
1 votes:

PunGent: cgraves67: PunGent: cgraves67: So ESO is on the article's list of recommended games. I've been on the fence about it. Anyone have first-hand experience with it?

If you mean Elder Scrolls Online, I'll give it a pass until they fix that chest-griefing bug in their dungeons...sounds horrific.  Also, it's apparently not a bug, but a poorly-thought out feature...

I'm not familiar with that. What is it?

Haven't played it yet, I was looking forward to the game.  What I've seen complaints about online is, you go into a dungeon.  Most of the loot is in random chests that you need lockpicks for, which is fine.  Problem is, it's really ALL the loot...even bosses drop crap, compared to the standard chests, which drop rares, etc.  And the REAL problem is, the loot in the chests isn't player-tagged, so whoever pops the chest can get all the loot.

So it's really easy to grief ...join a PUG, avoid the mobs, steal ALL the good loot, while they fight.  The griefer's party can get upset, and boot him...but here's the last straw...he isn't booted from their dungeon, and they can't bring in a new guy to replace him until HE decides to leave.


That is pretty alarming. I guess, if you are going to play, play with people you know.
2014-04-14 03:57:41 PM  
1 votes:

Cytokine Storm: Smeggy Smurf: Fast Moon: This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.

I play broads because if I have to look at a running ass it's going to be a nice ass

I do this in single player games, but in MMOs I stopped.  Got too annoying/weird to have random players assume I was a girl and treat me as such.  Not negative treatment, they'd just gave me far more attention than my male players ever received.  I didn't realize how many players still assume that female avatar = female gamer.


Actually, I liked that aspect of it.  Help on raids, free gear, etc.  Hell, you don't even have to communicate half the time. Them just being near a "girl" is enough for them.

It's also a sense of style thing though, a lot of guys in RPG's are anime twink bait looking, or charicature "masculine" that are ridiculous, hell, the females are often more badass.  I've played several games where the males were outright feminine and whiny and the females were the strong independant types.

Female models also tend to be a bit smaller, like in some FPS games, so when someone's picking a target it's usually the bigger guy as it's an easier target(even if it's just a subconscious thing to the attacker and the hitboxes are the same sizes).
2014-04-14 03:47:38 PM  
1 votes:

GloomCookie613: Cytokine Storm: Smeggy Smurf: Fast Moon: This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.

I play broads because if I have to look at a running ass it's going to be a nice ass

I do this in single player games, but in MMOs I stopped.  Got too annoying/weird to have random players assume I was a girl and treat me as such.  Not negative treatment, they'd just gave me far more attention than my male players ever received.  I didn't realize how many players still assume that female avatar = female gamer.

I am a female, play with female avatars, and then get told there's no way I'm a girl because my voice isn't girly enough. When I play with male avatars I get told I sound like a biatch because they assume I'm a dude. Just can't effing win!


We call this the 13-year old boy effect.  I've seriously had trouble differentiating girls from some younger men.  The maturity level usually corrects the problem.  Usually only takes about 30 seconds of actual conversation to sort them.
2014-04-14 03:41:53 PM  
1 votes:

ObscureNameHere: Best online trash talk response I saw in World of Tanks:

[OtherTeamGuy]: "You guys are gonna get ass-raped!"

[OurTeamGuy]: "Your're Mom bought a strap-on?"


A buddy used to play the old Team Fortress with the handle "His Gay Lover" so the kill messages on-screen would read "Noobkilla22 (killed by) His Gay Lover"...it actually made more than one teen go apoplectic, then rage-quit.
2014-04-14 03:40:06 PM  
1 votes:

walktoanarcade: There's no way in Bowser's lava I would have been able to beat Ninja Gaiden back in 1989 had some farktwit been screaming unfunny yo mamma jokes randomly into my ear.

In fact, back in the 1980s and '90s, such behavior was grounds for a punch in the face. We took our gaming fairly seriously back then too.


Gaming wasn't serious. Games were fun. Deciding what games to spend limited pocket money on was serious. (Thank you Mastertronic, Gremlin and Firebird). Arguing over ZX Spectrum v. Commodore 64 v. Amstrad CPC* or Amiga v. Atari ST** was serious. But when you actually sat down to play the games, that was pure joy.

* Commodore of course. Legendary game music and if you had a disc drive you could play astonishing and ambitious disc-only games as well as the ones ported to or from the others.


**Amiga by a nose.
2014-04-14 03:36:22 PM  
1 votes:

Fast Moon: This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.


I, on the other hand, tend to choose female avatars.  As a straight guy, if I'm going to stare at a digital ass for 8 hours at a stretch, it might as well be a shapely one.

/it helps that I stopped giving much of a fark about other people's opinions back in high school
//their opinions matter even less when there's a handy Mute button.

PS...headline is kinda trolly...the article's pretty basic, but subby did it a bit of a dis-service imho.
2014-04-14 03:36:11 PM  
1 votes:

Cytokine Storm: Smeggy Smurf: Fast Moon: This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.

I play broads because if I have to look at a running ass it's going to be a nice ass

I do this in single player games, but in MMOs I stopped.  Got too annoying/weird to have random players assume I was a girl and treat me as such.  Not negative treatment, they'd just gave me far more attention than my male players ever received.  I didn't realize how many players still assume that female avatar = female gamer.


That happened to me too. Random strangers would lavish me with gifts. It was creepy.

I do recall, humorously, that a female elf I played with one time ended up being a guy with a thick Texas drawl.
2014-04-14 03:27:08 PM  
1 votes:

Fast Moon: This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.


I play broads because if I have to look at a running ass it's going to be a nice ass
2014-04-14 03:24:15 PM  
1 votes:
One day of listening to people shout orders and insults in TF2 was enough for me to permanently turn the sound off for that game and I've never regretted it. Jesus Christ some people just can't not be in charge, can they?  fark 'em.
2014-04-14 03:17:08 PM  
1 votes:

Caffienatedjedi: Most satisfying feeling is being accused of hacker due to your level of skill.



Back in the days when I was playing a lot of Q3A/QuakeLive I felt a small sense of accomplishment the first time someone accused me of hacking.  That meant I was starting to get good enough to compete with the big boys.

Actually got told by several people I had the potential to play it competitively, but never could bring myself to put the time and effort into it.  Once it gets past a certain point it becomes more like a job than a game, and I play games for fun.
2014-04-14 03:13:08 PM  
1 votes:
This is why I and most of my female friends tend to choose male avatars when we play MMOs.  People leave you alone, and you don't look like a trollop.
2014-04-14 03:03:20 PM  
1 votes:
My advice is to get ridiculously good at a single aspect of the game and ignore the rest.

And that's why I almost exclusively play Huntsman sniper in TF2.

/I am part of the problem
2014-04-14 03:01:23 PM  
1 votes:
Man On Pink Corner:

"Also, it turns out that if you put as much effort into your actual life as you put into Battlefield of Warcraft IV: Civilization of Duty, you can actually be a world-class athlete, captain of industry, or respected military leader.  Details coming up at 11, but first here's Willard with the weather."

(a) I blew out my knee, developed arthritis, and will now have to get shots for the rest of my life to walk without pain.
(b) I'm not greedy and I hate greedy people.
(c) I can't stand the sight of blood. It freaks me out.
2014-04-14 02:56:37 PM  
1 votes:

Aidan: I have avoided any kind of interaction with other players on the vast majority of games I play because of this (and I avoid MMOs on the whole for this and other reasons). However I did actually find a tiny little MMO that I enjoy playing where almost all the people on the server are actually... Normal. No slurs, very little douchebaggery of any kind, and when it does happen, people just talk around the person doing it.

I like it, but it's so different from my experience that I'm always a bit weirded out by how... nice it all is...


That's how I felt about MechWarrior Online.
2014-04-14 02:54:21 PM  
1 votes:
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"Also, it turns out that if you put as much effort into your actual life as you put into Battlefield of Warcraft IV: Civilization of Duty, you can actually be a world-class athlete, captain of industry, or respected military leader.  Details coming up at 11, but first here's Willard with the weather."
2014-04-14 02:53:14 PM  
1 votes:
I think we need to distinguish 'on-line' casual games from RPG/deep story games.

e.g. "World of Tanks" is an online game.   But it is just log-on, battle, get credits XP, get better tanks, etc.  The only interaction is a in-battle chat window that you can turn off if you want.  Sure there's trash talk, but no battle is more than 15 minutes long an I've not seen anyone keeping a memory of who said what in later battles.

Things like WoW or EVE I expect have a much deeper level of personal interaction, and hence, more opportunity for getting wound-up about perceived insults etc.
2014-04-14 02:50:21 PM  
1 votes:

cgraves67: Don't get involved unless you are a) willing to dedicate a lot, A LOT, of time to the game, or b) you are fine with labeled derogatory terms. It takes a lot of time to get good skills, equipment, and access and to be well-regarded for them.


Alternatively, just play with friends.
2014-04-14 02:50:17 PM  
1 votes:

LoneDoggie: My Eve FC told me I was a stupid fark retard and I was giving the whole fleet AIDS just because I broadcast for armor instead of shields.  And did I cry?  no........


Your EVE FC was pretty farking stupid to say that. The reality is you were giving your whole fleet HIV, which is the virus that causes AIDS. You can't just give your fleet AIDS. It doesn't work like that and your EVE FC is a degenerate farking retard for suggesting otherwise.
2014-04-14 02:48:25 PM  
1 votes:

pute kisses like a man: charlesmartel11235: god I mean if you're offended by racism, sexism and homophobia why are you even playing online videogames?

once i was called a farking pussy-farker.

/ not really sure if it was a sexist heterophobic statement, or a very naive 13 year old's pre-pubescent attempts at insult


I was called a coontlicker once.  Didn't really have a problem with it.
2014-04-14 02:47:37 PM  
1 votes:
Get ye to the moderated servers post haste. They be thataway.
2014-04-14 02:46:18 PM  
1 votes:

DubyaHater: charlesmartel11235: god I mean if you're offended by racism, sexism and homophobia why are you even playing online videogames?

I usually log on to protect the female gamers from these vile people.


I play online games looking for romance from gamers trying to protect my delicate female sensibilities from vile people.
2014-04-14 02:42:23 PM  
1 votes:

charlesmartel11235: god I mean if you're offended by racism, sexism and homophobia why are you even playing online videogames?


I usually log on to protect the female gamers from these vile people.
2014-04-14 01:29:18 PM  
1 votes:
You're going to be surprised with the number of people your mother has slept with.
 
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