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2014-04-14 08:55:16 AM  
I'm going to call you Speak because that's what you do.
 
2014-04-14 10:17:39 AM  
What a depressing book.
 
Skr
2014-04-14 10:18:43 AM  
Probably means your own kids, and not random other people's kids.

giggity
 
2014-04-14 10:24:58 AM  
DIG MY LOVE!
 
2014-04-14 10:27:11 AM  
media and pop culture tell them women are created for sexual gratification.

In this narrative she assumes this very thing which she thinks is wrong. Women have no choice but to be objects acted upon whereas only men have agency. Only men are responsible. It's as if boys or men are never acted upon or raped by women. They are.

She also assumes that "the media" is responsible for rape. This precludes the concept that before mass media that there was no rape. Which is farking retarded.

The majority of assaults in the US are not sexual in nature. They are territorial. Men assaulting men because of testosterone. Some men get aroused by physical violence -these are your rapists. It has nothing to do with women's glamour magazines or porn.
 
2014-04-14 10:28:07 AM  
But is it okay to have a Little Wooden Boy?
 
2014-04-14 10:32:34 AM  
Are you saying that nigh-invulnerable men keeping capybaras as pets just ticks her off?
 
2014-04-14 10:34:14 AM  
READ A BOOK!
 
2014-04-14 10:35:51 AM  
We just leave copies of Hustler lying around the house and figure our kids will learn what they need to know from those.
 
2014-04-14 10:41:53 AM  
Bad man hit dog with street!
 
2014-04-14 10:43:43 AM  
WHERE'S THE JERK THAT CALLS HIMSELF THE TICK?
 
2014-04-14 10:57:37 AM  

milkyshirt: But is it okay to have a Little Wooden Boy?


That's what the author wants your parents to talk to you about.

Just remember... Don't sacrifice your Little Wooden Boy to a blowhole without protecting it first.
 
2014-04-14 11:00:16 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: media


Okay, before we begin, are you tarded?  Because if you are tarded, I don't want to waste my time or yours.  If you're NOT tarded, it should be obvious that multiple things can affect a single issue and 'hurr people raped people before media so it doesn't matter' is outright tarded.
 
2014-04-14 11:05:55 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: media and pop culture tell them women are created for sexual gratification.


This statement is bullshiat. The media, in every form, is constantly railing against misogyny.
Pop culture certainly, though. Specifically music (Rock, Gangsta culture)

\DRTFA
 
2014-04-14 11:11:16 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Because People in power are Stupid: media

Okay, before we begin, are you tarded?  Because if you are tarded, I don't want to waste my time or yours.  If you're NOT tarded, it should be obvious that multiple things can affect a single issue and 'hurr people raped people before media so it doesn't matter' is outright tarded.


Prove that "media" influences rape. Go ahead. You can't because it's a fictional narrative. In order to "prove it", you would have to show that someone not prone to being a rapist is exposed to some media like "American Psycho" and then that suddenly effects their free will and become an (ta-da!) instant rapist.


As far as calling me names, what was the word "tard"? I suppose that you should review the posting rules before you reply, because it really just demonstrates that you have a lack of basic argumentative skills rather than some directed attack against myself.
 
2014-04-14 11:13:53 AM  
FIRE ME, BOY!
 
2014-04-14 11:19:35 AM  
ID? Spelling America with a K, I see.
 
2014-04-14 11:20:53 AM  
Eh, bah bah bah.
 
2014-04-14 11:23:22 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: LowbrowDeluxe: Because People in power are Stupid: media

Okay, before we begin, are you tarded?  Because if you are tarded, I don't want to waste my time or yours.  If you're NOT tarded, it should be obvious that multiple things can affect a single issue and 'hurr people raped people before media so it doesn't matter' is outright tarded.

Prove that "media" influences rape. Go ahead. You can't because it's a fictional narrative. In order to "prove it", you would have to show that someone not prone to being a rapist is exposed to some media like "American Psycho" and then that suddenly effects their free will and become an (ta-da!) instant rapist.


As far as calling me names, what was the word "tard"? I suppose that you should review the posting rules before you reply, because it really just demonstrates that you have a lack of basic argumentative skills rather than some directed attack against myself.


Is your argument, then, that it is entirely impossible for media and popular culture to influence ones thoughts and actions? To indicate "Society feels X is OK, so it is OK for you to do it."

That we all exist in some mental vacuum, free from any outside influence or pressures?

/It's not like we've had several members of a major political party imply that date rape isn't REALLY rape, or anything, by trying to draw a moral distinction between it and 'forcible' rape or anything.
 
2014-04-14 11:23:26 AM  
Is it weird that the first thing I thought of was Dr. Manhattan?
 
2014-04-14 11:30:23 AM  

Nurglitch: Is it weird that the first thing I thought of was Dr. Manhattan?


The magic blue dong is certainly big enough to be mistaken for a large south american rodent
 
2014-04-14 11:36:30 AM  

Felgraf: Is your argument, then, that it is entirely impossible for media and popular culture to influence ones thoughts and actions? To indicate "Society feels X is OK, so it is OK for you to do it."

That we all exist in some mental vacuum, free from any outside influence or pressures?

/It's not like we've had several members of a major political party imply that date rape isn't REALLY rape, or anything, by trying to draw a moral distinction between it and 'forcible' rape or anything.


I'm saying that there are certain people who are predisposed to acts of violence. Often times these people are influential in a micro-culture (or community) and that this influence is far more pervasive than say a movie, a TV show or a comic book.

Here's a reverse question back at you:
Why do most violent crimes take place in poor neighborhoods? Do poor neighborhoods consume more media than rich ones?
 
2014-04-14 11:39:51 AM  
Are talking Rape, or Rape Rape?
 
2014-04-14 11:44:55 AM  

Danger Mouse: Are talking Rape, or Rape Rape?


That depends on how Rapeublican somebody is
 
2014-04-14 11:52:16 AM  
And he says to me, he says to me, "You got  style, baby! But if you're gonna to be a real villain, you gotta get a  gimmick!" And so I go, I says, "Yeah, baby! A  gimmick, that's it! High explosives!" Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
 
2014-04-14 11:54:33 AM  
You do have to be honest with kids about sex. Sometimes sex with a person really touches your heart, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes your mustache touches your brain.
 
2014-04-14 11:54:38 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a reverse question back at you:
Why do most violent crimes take place in poor neighborhoods? Do poor neighborhoods consume more media than rich ones?


Well, for starters, I suspect poor people are more likely to commit crimes (Which can include things like, you know. Mugging. Which is a violent crime) BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. Unless you are you suggesting, perhaps, that poor people just 'lesser beings', less of an ubermesnch able to utilize their free will? It's not, perhaps, that they are subjected to certain influences and circumstances which may make them more likely to resort to crimes such as stealing (like, say. Being poor.)?

(Pssst, by the way, don't think I haven't noticed that you've switched from 'rape' to 'crime' in general, which is a *Very* different kettle of fish. I wonder how rape vs. Socioeconomic status breaks down? Especially if we include date rapes-the only ones I can find only include forcible rape.)
 
2014-04-14 11:58:02 AM  

odinsposse: You do have to be honest with kids about sex. Sometimes sex with a person really touches your heart, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes your mustache touches your brain.


THE RUSSIANS WERE WORKING ON A BEARD! WE HAD A FACIAL HAIR GAP!
 
2014-04-14 11:58:51 AM  
Ender?
 
2014-04-14 12:07:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: LowbrowDeluxe: Because People in power are Stupid: media

Okay, before we begin, are you tarded?  Because if you are tarded, I don't want to waste my time or yours.  If you're NOT tarded, it should be obvious that multiple things can affect a single issue and 'hurr people raped people before media so it doesn't matter' is outright tarded.

Prove that "media" influences rape. Go ahead. You can't because it's a fictional narrative. In order to "prove it", you would have to show that someone not prone to being a rapist is exposed to some media like "American Psycho" and then that suddenly effects their free will and become an (ta-da!) instant rapist.


As far as calling me names, what was the word "tard"? I suppose that you should review the posting rules before you reply, because it really just demonstrates that you have a lack of basic argumentative skills rather than some directed attack against myself.


I cant say that I've never thought of railing Jodie Foster on a pinball machine
 
2014-04-14 12:08:32 PM  

t3knomanser: odinsposse: You do have to be honest with kids about sex. Sometimes sex with a person really touches your heart, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes your mustache touches your brain.

THE RUSSIANS WERE WORKING ON A BEARD! WE HAD A FACIAL HAIR GAP!


Hey Stinky, you stink!
 
2014-04-14 12:10:47 PM  

t3knomanser: And he says to me, he says to me, "You got  style, baby! But if you're gonna to be a real villain, you gotta get a  gimmick!" And so I go, I says, "Yeah, baby! A  gimmick, that's it! High explosives!" Ah ha ha ha ha ha!


60 seconds to midnight, 60 seconds to eat snatch!
 
2014-04-14 12:12:42 PM  

Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a reverse question back at you:
Why do most violent crimes take place in poor neighborhoods? Do poor neighborhoods consume more media than rich ones?

Well, for starters, I suspect poor people are more likely to commit crimes (Which can include things like, you know. Mugging. Which is a violent crime) BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. Unless you are you suggesting, perhaps, that poor people just 'lesser beings', less of an ubermesnch able to utilize their free will? It's not, perhaps, that they are subjected to certain influences and circumstances which may make them more likely to resort to crimes such as stealing (like, say. Being poor.)?

(Pssst, by the way, don't think I haven't noticed that you've switched from 'rape' to 'crime' in general, which is a *Very* different kettle of fish. I wonder how rape vs. Socioeconomic status breaks down? Especially if we include date rapes-the only ones I can find only include forcible rape.)


Pssst. Violent crime is violent crime. People who are willing to jump people and take their wallets are also likely to commit violent acts of rape. The focus on a mythical "rape culture" does nothing to stop rape. So it's all well and good to say that there is some all encompassing cabal involving media producers that somehow influences people to rape -it actually hurts the cause of rape prevention because it's a lie.

The "being poor" part of what you said is not satisfactory. There are poor neighborhoods with low crime. I think that I'm going to refer you to watch season 4 of "The Wire". The reason that violent crime is pervasive in the inner city is because violence becomes all pervasive. It is literally a way of life. The poor are offered fewer protections in law and the people previously mentioned who are predisposed to violence.create a culture whereby violence is more casually contemplated.
 
2014-04-14 12:16:51 PM  
Rats and cats sleeping together!

img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-14 12:27:29 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: media and pop culture tell them women are created for sexual gratification.

In this narrative she assumes this very thing which she thinks is wrong. Women have no choice but to be objects acted upon whereas only men have agency. Only men are responsible. It's as if boys or men are never acted upon or raped by women. They are.

She also assumes that "the media" is responsible for rape. This precludes the concept that before mass media that there was no rape. Which is farking retarded.

The majority of assaults in the US are not sexual in nature. They are territorial. Men assaulting men because of testosterone. Some men get aroused by physical violence -these are your rapists. It has nothing to do with women's glamour magazines or porn.


Done in five.

/I'll turn the lights out.
 
2014-04-14 12:57:04 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Danger Mouse: Are talking Rape, or Rape Rape?

That depends on how Rapeublican somebody is


You're on the wrong tab, Smeggy.
 
2014-04-14 01:04:03 PM  
Rape is only funny if it happens to evil fictional characters like Voldemort, King Joffrey, and the Childcatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
 
2014-04-14 01:06:37 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a reverse question back at you:
Why do most violent crimes take place in poor neighborhoods? Do poor neighborhoods consume more media than rich ones?

Well, for starters, I suspect poor people are more likely to commit crimes (Which can include things like, you know. Mugging. Which is a violent crime) BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. Unless you are you suggesting, perhaps, that poor people just 'lesser beings', less of an ubermesnch able to utilize their free will? It's not, perhaps, that they are subjected to certain influences and circumstances which may make them more likely to resort to crimes such as stealing (like, say. Being poor.)?

(Pssst, by the way, don't think I haven't noticed that you've switched from 'rape' to 'crime' in general, which is a *Very* different kettle of fish. I wonder how rape vs. Socioeconomic status breaks down? Especially if we include date rapes-the only ones I can find only include forcible rape.)

Pssst. Violent crime is violent crime. People who are willing to jump people and take their wallets are also likely to commit violent acts of rape. The focus on a mythical "rape culture" does nothing to stop rape. So it's all well and good to say that there is some all encompassing cabal involving media producers that somehow influences people to rape -it actually hurts the cause of rape prevention because it's a lie.

The "being poor" part of what you said is not satisfactory. There are poor neighborhoods with low crime. I think that I'm going to refer you to watch season 4 of "The Wire". The reason that violent crime is pervasive in the inner city is because violence becomes all pervasive. It is literally a way of life. The poor are offered fewer protections in law and the people previously mentioned who are predisposed to violence.create a culture whereby violence is more casually contemplated.


Wtf...? Why would you refer someone to a TV program regarding behavior if your argument is that the media don't inform our behavior? Does that season/episode include citations or something?
 
2014-04-14 01:18:25 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a reverse question back at you:
Why do most violent crimes take place in poor neighborhoods? Do poor neighborhoods consume more media than rich ones?

Well, for starters, I suspect poor people are more likely to commit crimes (Which can include things like, you know. Mugging. Which is a violent crime) BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. Unless you are you suggesting, perhaps, that poor people just 'lesser beings', less of an ubermesnch able to utilize their free will? It's not, perhaps, that they are subjected to certain influences and circumstances which may make them more likely to resort to crimes such as stealing (like, say. Being poor.)?

(Pssst, by the way, don't think I haven't noticed that you've switched from 'rape' to 'crime' in general, which is a *Very* different kettle of fish. I wonder how rape vs. Socioeconomic status breaks down? Especially if we include date rapes-the only ones I can find only include forcible rape.)

Pssst. Violent crime is violent crime. People who are willing to jump people and take their wallets are also likely to commit violent acts of rape. The focus on a mythical "rape culture" does nothing to stop rape. So it's all well and good to say that there is some all encompassing cabal involving media producers that somehow influences people to rape -it actually hurts the cause of rape prevention because it's a lie.

The "being poor" part of what you said is not satisfactory. There are poor neighborhoods with low crime. I think that I'm going to refer you to watch season 4 of "The Wire". The reason that violent crime is pervasive in the inner city is because violence becomes all pervasive. It is literally a way of life. The poor are offered fewer protections in law and the people previously mentioned who are predisposed to violence.create a culture whereby violence is more casually contemplated.

Wtf...? Why would you refer someone to a TV program rega ...


I suppose you haven't seen it. The writers have knowledge about the plight of the inner city. They've written non-fiction about it and I suppose the Wire shows their account of the cycle of violence that is so hard to escape.
 
2014-04-14 01:21:10 PM  
Farking? Shouldn't we just teach our kids to spoon?
 
2014-04-14 01:22:35 PM  

Rand's lacy underwear: Farking? Shouldn't we just teach our kids to spoon?


That would be keen.
 
2014-04-14 01:22:38 PM  

doglover: Hey Stinky, you stink!


We're Filth! We're Filth!
We come from Filth,
We return to Filth!
We're Filth!
 
2014-04-14 01:25:02 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a reverse question back at you:
Why do most violent crimes take place in poor neighborhoods? Do poor neighborhoods consume more media than rich ones?

Well, for starters, I suspect poor people are more likely to commit crimes (Which can include things like, you know. Mugging. Which is a violent crime) BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. Unless you are you suggesting, perhaps, that poor people just 'lesser beings', less of an ubermesnch able to utilize their free will? It's not, perhaps, that they are subjected to certain influences and circumstances which may make them more likely to resort to crimes such as stealing (like, say. Being poor.)?

(Pssst, by the way, don't think I haven't noticed that you've switched from 'rape' to 'crime' in general, which is a *Very* different kettle of fish. I wonder how rape vs. Socioeconomic status breaks down? Especially if we include date rapes-the only ones I can find only include forcible rape.)

Pssst. Violent crime is violent crime. People who are willing to jump people and take their wallets are also likely to commit violent acts of rape. The focus on a mythical "rape culture" does nothing to stop rape. So it's all well and good to say that there is some all encompassing cabal involving media producers that somehow influences people to rape -it actually hurts the cause of rape prevention because it's a lie.

The "being poor" part of what you said is not satisfactory. There are poor neighborhoods with low crime. I think that I'm going to refer you to watch season 4 of "The Wire". The reason that violent crime is pervasive in the inner city is because violence becomes all pervasive. It is literally a way of life. The poor are offered fewer protections in law and the people previously mentioned who are predisposed to violence.create a culture whereby violence is more casually contemplated.


Again: You switched from talking about rape to talking about violent crime. This, combined with what a number of elected officials have blathered about, sort of... well. It makes it hard to interpret your stance. Do you only consider forcible rape 'rape'?  Or do you also feel that, say, date rape is violence?  Because generally when people talk about violent crime and violent rape, they *mean*  not-daterape.

And you admit, then that it's not that poor people are predisposed to violence. It's that they are in an area where they are not given as much protection from the law, and those more prone to violence are able to act with greater impunity, and do so, so everyone starts resorting to violence more casually. Wow. It's almost like there's been the creation of some sort of culture where violence is OK. And that tends to get backed up and glorified by parts of the media/pop culture, including things like showing how violence and vengance can be just, etc etc!

It's a good thing that there's nothing like that for sex!

From my understanding, rape culture isn't (really supposed to be) about how there's a bunch of snidely whiplash's twirling their mustaches thinking how they can mind-control people to commit rape. It's about, say, how media or culture can depict certain forms of rape as 'ok' or 'not as bad' (See: Drunk guy sleeps with a woman he wouldn't sleep with sober: IS FUNNY, which also used to be used frequently as joke in reverse).  Are you seriously going to argue there wasn't *ever* a cultural standard like, say, "A man can't rape his wife"? (Because that, again. Would be rape culture.) Culture doesn't spring up from a vacuum, nor burst fully formed from the head of Zeus, wielding a shield and spear, whether they be cultures of violence or otherwise.

Now. Do you feel those people more prone to violence exist soley in the lower socio-economic rung, or do you think they just try to suppress or work in other ways their violent urges if they're higher up? Like, say, something that might be easier to cover up or harder to prove? Epescially if a lot of scorn can be dumped on the victim for *Being* a victim?  (Again: There are people *running for and holding office* that hold some of these views.)
 
2014-04-14 01:26:14 PM  

Felgraf: And that tends to get backed up and glorified by parts of the media/pop culture, including things like showing how violence and vengance can be just, etc etc!


That's on you to prove which you haven't done.
 
2014-04-14 01:26:33 PM  
alternate cover for her book:
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2014-04-14 01:33:10 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid: I suppose you haven't seen it. The writers have knowledge about the plight of the inner city. They've written non-fiction about it and I suppose the Wire shows their account of the cycle of violence that is so hard to escape.

Doesn't matter whether I've seen it. As a debate tactic, referencing the very thing (that is, broadcast media) you claim has no certain effect on behavior (that is, sexual & non-sexual violence) to counter the claim the broadcast media does have a certain effect on behavior (sexual violence) seems ill-advised.
 
2014-04-14 01:54:22 PM  

Felgraf: Again: You switched from talking about rape to talking about violent crime. This, combined with what a number of elected officials have blathered about, sort of... well. It makes it hard to interpret your stance. Do you only consider forcible rape 'rape'?  Or do you also feel that, say, date rape is violence?  Because generally when people talk about violent crime and violent rape, they *mean*  not-daterape.

And you admit, then that it's not that poor people are predisposed to violence. It's that they are in an area where they are not given as much protection from the law, and those more prone to violence are able to act with greater impunity, and do so, so everyone starts resorting to violence more casually. Wow. It's almost like there's been the creation of some sort of culture where violence is OK. And that tends to get backed up and glorified by parts of the media/pop culture, including things like showing how violence and vengance can be just, etc etc!

It's a good thing that there's nothing like that for sex!

From my understanding, rape culture isn't (really supposed to be) about how there's a bunch of snidely whiplash's twirling their mustaches thinking how they can mind-control people to commit rape. It's about, say, how media or culture can depict certain forms of rape as 'ok' or 'not as bad' (See: Drunk guy sleeps with a woman he wouldn't sleep with sober: IS FUNNY, which also used to be used frequently as joke in reverse).  Are you seriously going to argue there wasn't *ever* a cultural standard like, say, "A man can't rape his wife"? (Because that, again. Would be rape culture.) Culture doesn't spring up from a vacuum, nor burst fully formed from the head of Zeus, wielding a shield and spear, whether they be cultures of violence or otherwise.

Now. Do you feel those people more prone to violence exist soley in the lower socio-economic rung, or do you think they just try to suppress or work in other ways their violent urges if they're higher up? Like, s ...


So my previous comment stands as a separate issue. You are assuming that your so called rape culture exists and then relying on others to disprove it. Considering rape culture as such has the same implications that there is a "pizza culture". That is, there is a preponderance of people who consume and view rape as a cultural artifact. There just isn't.

I didn't exclude date rape but there is often a perceived threat in such rapes that makes it a violent act. If you are going to bring up such issues, understand that I will not accept Mary P Koss's study or any advocates of this feminist victimhood cult which manipulates data in order to support their (faulty) conclusions. It's politicizing and creating hysteria in some bizarre power grab.

The so-called "blaming the victim" does exist but that is the way that our criminal justice system works. It happens for all crimes especially murder because "dead men tell no tales". I guess according to certain social theorists because rape predominantly happens to women -there should be legal exceptions made for anyone claiming that they were raped.

I should also point out that this focus on "rape culture" encourages women to say they were raped when they merely regret their consent. The most obvious and appalling example is here.
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2014-04-14 01:56:47 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Because People in power are Stupid: I suppose you haven't seen it. The writers have knowledge about the plight of the inner city. They've written non-fiction about it and I suppose the Wire shows their account of the cycle of violence that is so hard to escape.

Doesn't matter whether I've seen it. As a debate tactic, referencing the very thing (that is, broadcast media) you claim has no certain effect on behavior (that is, sexual & non-sexual violence) to counter the claim the broadcast media does have a certain effect on behavior (sexual violence) seems ill-advised.


As my philosophy professor pointed out a story like "Dead Man Walking" can easily explain complex issues whereas merely talking about these same issues may fail to do so.
 
2014-04-14 02:03:42 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: rzrwiresunrise: Because People in power are Stupid: I suppose you haven't seen it. The writers have knowledge about the plight of the inner city. They've written non-fiction about it and I suppose the Wire shows their account of the cycle of violence that is so hard to escape.

Doesn't matter whether I've seen it. As a debate tactic, referencing the very thing (that is, broadcast media) you claim has no certain effect on behavior (that is, sexual & non-sexual violence) to counter the claim the broadcast media does have a certain effect on behavior (sexual violence) seems ill-advised.

As my philosophy professor pointed out a story like "Dead Man Walking" can easily explain complex issues whereas merely talking about these same issues may fail to do so.


The issue is broadcast media's effect, not rape per se. Your original beef was with the idea that media perpetutes the idea that women are here to serve the sexual gratification of men. If media don't have an effect on behavior, then referencing a media product to support your point seems to weaken it instead. Better to cite the source(s) on which The Wire is based, not the fictionalized account.

But carry on.
 
2014-04-14 02:20:14 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: That's on you to prove which you haven't done.


So we are back to assuming all humans are Nietzschean ubermenschs who are in no way affected by media or advertising?

Really?

Media affects people's perceptions of the world not one jot? Fox News, say, doesn't alter its viewers perception of the world?

You *really* want to argue that?
 
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