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2014-04-14 12:58:20 AM
I don't think it's really a repeat but a better list of ways to doctor a baseball was greened a couple days ago.
 
2014-04-14 02:17:01 AM

violentsalvation: I don't think it's really a repeat but a better list of ways to doctor a baseball was greened a couple days ago.


I hadnt caught that -thanks for the link.

As to the subject:
The obvious response (I would think) is questioning the disproportionate outrage over PED use.  My very unpopular opinion is that "cheating" in sports can only occur on the field of play, and therefor I disagree with PED's being cheating.  It's really not even unfair.
 
2014-04-14 02:49:21 AM

Frederick: violentsalvation: I don't think it's really a repeat but a better list of ways to doctor a baseball was greened a couple days ago.

I hadnt caught that -thanks for the link.

As to the subject:
The obvious response (I would think) is questioning the disproportionate outrage over PED use.  My very unpopular opinion is that "cheating" in sports can only occur on the field of play, and therefor I disagree with PED's being cheating.  It's really not even unfair.


They're cheating, but it's strange how people get more worked up over some types of cheating than others.

I think it's results-based.  If nobody hit 70 homers while on PEDs, nobody would have minded as much.
 
2014-04-14 03:08:22 AM
Good time to repeat my favorite Gaylord Perry story. When he was on the last legs of his career he was pitching for the Mariners. Shortstop Spike Owens fields a routine ground ball a throws a wild ball to first base. Like 7 rows up into the stands wild. Later on Gaylord says to him in his drawl "Ya gotsa throw it on the dry side."
 
2014-04-14 03:26:20 AM

Frederick: violentsalvation: I don't think it's really a repeat but a better list of ways to doctor a baseball was greened a couple days ago.

I hadnt caught that -thanks for the link.

As to the subject:
The obvious response (I would think) is questioning the disproportionate outrage over PED use.  My very unpopular opinion is that "cheating" in sports can only occur on the field of play, and therefor I disagree with PED's being cheating.  It's really not even unfair.


I don't know, I think removing the obvious steroid using ball jackers from the game has really improved the game. I mean, when I think about highlight plays that I want to watch on a top ten plays of the week list or whatever, I don't care for the homers, I want to see awesome double plays and running diving grabs in the outfield. I'm torn on the people who just might want to recover from an injury faster and be ready to play every day.
 
2014-04-14 03:48:03 AM
The outrage over PED use, fueled by hypocritical sports writers and commentators, is way out of proportion to the importance of the thing itself. The sheer amount of bile and hate directed toward Barry Bonds in particular is unreasonable. Mention Bonds in a conversation at a bar and you will see people going into snot blasting rage over drive. Mention Osama Bin Laden and you won't get anything like the response to Bonds.
Bin Laden engineered the massacre of over three thousand innocent people.
Bonds took steroids so he could hit a baseball harder.
 
2014-04-14 04:03:08 AM

violentsalvation: I don't know, I think removing the obvious steroid using ball jackers from the game has really improved the game. I mean, when I think about highlight plays that I want to watch on a top ten plays of the week list or whatever, I don't care for the homers, I want to see awesome double plays and running diving grabs in the outfield. I'm torn on the people who just might want to recover from an injury faster and be ready to play every day.


I was never a fan of the long ball either.  MLB promoted the HR in an unneeded effort to regain lost popularity after the strike.  That promotion created HR hitting divas -and the MLB encouraged it.  It was a mistake.

People who are not baseball fans, but casual observers and occasional attendees will say that a low scoring game is boring.  I've heard that plenty.  But actual fans would be more entertained with a pitchers duel featuring the defensive plays you mention, than a HR derby.  Was it a misconception for the MLB to try and cater to the offense or was it a calculated effort to bring in the casual money?

One of my favorite Oakland A's players last year was Bartolo Colon.  He admitted used steroids for rehab, and I believe him.  He sure wasnt getting ripped using it.
 
2014-04-14 04:12:48 AM

red5ish: The outrage over PED use, fueled by hypocritical sports writers and commentators, is way out of proportion to the importance of the thing itself. The sheer amount of bile and hate directed toward Barry Bonds in particular is unreasonable. Mention Bonds in a conversation at a bar and you will see people going into snot blasting rage over drive. Mention Osama Bin Laden and you won't get anything like the response to Bonds.
Bin Laden engineered the massacre of over three thousand innocent people.
Bonds took steroids so he could hit a baseball harder.


I 100% agree with your opinion.  The question is "why?"; why get so upset about Barry Bonds in particular?  Some of the theories I've heard from the likes of Buster Olney and Tim Kurkjian is that it was personal -at least in regards to the sportswriters attitudes.  Bonds was a notorious asshole about granting interviews and other things.  That attitude rubbed writers wrong who then vilified Bonds and it trickled down to readers.

The other theories are; it's racial.  And I think there is some credence to that.  Compare the peoples attitudes about McGwire and Bonds.  Or Thome and Bonds.

/Bonds is as guilty of PED's as Thome.  Yes.
 
2014-04-14 04:28:11 AM

Frederick: red5ish: The outrage over PED use, fueled by hypocritical sports writers and commentators, is way out of proportion to the importance of the thing itself. The sheer amount of bile and hate directed toward Barry Bonds in particular is unreasonable. Mention Bonds in a conversation at a bar and you will see people going into snot blasting rage over drive. Mention Osama Bin Laden and you won't get anything like the response to Bonds.
Bin Laden engineered the massacre of over three thousand innocent people.
Bonds took steroids so he could hit a baseball harder.

I 100% agree with your opinion.  The question is "why?"; why get so upset about Barry Bonds in particular?  Some of the theories I've heard from the likes of Buster Olney and Tim Kurkjian is that it was personal -at least in regards to the sportswriters attitudes.  Bonds was a notorious asshole about granting interviews and other things.  That attitude rubbed writers wrong who then vilified Bonds and it trickled down to readers.

The other theories are; it's racial.  And I think there is some credence to that.  Compare the peoples attitudes about McGwire and Bonds.  Or Thome and Bonds.

/Bonds is as guilty of PED's as Thome.  Yes.


I really don't think it's racial, the PED thing just came to a head around that time and with the BALCO scandal. And the dude just got so farking huge, yeah, I'd intentionally walk him every time.
 
2014-04-14 07:46:07 AM

Frederick: red5ish: The outrage over PED use, fueled by hypocritical sports writers and commentators, is way out of proportion to the importance of the thing itself. The sheer amount of bile and hate directed toward Barry Bonds in particular is unreasonable. Mention Bonds in a conversation at a bar and you will see people going into snot blasting rage over drive. Mention Osama Bin Laden and you won't get anything like the response to Bonds.
Bin Laden engineered the massacre of over three thousand innocent people.
Bonds took steroids so he could hit a baseball harder.

I 100% agree with your opinion.  The question is "why?"; why get so upset about Barry Bonds in particular?  Some of the theories I've heard from the likes of Buster Olney and Tim Kurkjian is that it was personal -at least in regards to the sportswriters attitudes.  Bonds was a notorious asshole about granting interviews and other things.  That attitude rubbed writers wrong who then vilified Bonds and it trickled down to readers.

The other theories are; it's racial.  And I think there is some credence to that.  Compare the peoples attitudes about McGwire and Bonds.  Or Thome and Bonds.

/Bonds is as guilty of PED's as Thome.  Yes.


It was about 5% racial, 95% he's an asshole
 
2014-04-14 08:07:53 AM

Dafatone: Frederick: violentsalvation: I don't think it's really a repeat but a better list of ways to doctor a baseball was greened a couple days ago.

I hadnt caught that -thanks for the link.

As to the subject:
The obvious response (I would think) is questioning the disproportionate outrage over PED use.  My very unpopular opinion is that "cheating" in sports can only occur on the field of play, and therefor I disagree with PED's being cheating.  It's really not even unfair.

They're cheating, but it's strange how people get more worked up over some types of cheating than others.

I think it's results-based.  If nobody hit 70 homers while on PEDs, nobody would have minded as much.


I say let them 'roid it up... let them get bolt-on cybernetic implants... make them sign waivers that they won't ever seek litigation and have the owners pool money to at least keep them comfortable at a nice rest home in their old age and let the games roll.

You know people will pay to see that.
 
2014-04-14 08:12:10 AM

violentsalvation: I'd intentionally walk him every time.


I would have just thrown at him but the amount of farking armor he wore made that pointless.
 
2014-04-14 09:18:50 AM
Rick: What's that shiat on your chest?
Eddie: [wipes his finger across his chest] Crisco, [Runs his hand through his hair] Bardol, [Wipes his finger on his hip] Vagisil. Any one of them will give you another two to three inches drop on your curve ball. 'Course if the umps are watching me real close I just rub a little jalapeño juice up my nose, get it runnin', and if I need to load the ball up I just... [wipes his nose] ...wipe my nose.
Rick: You put snot on the ball?
Eddie: I haven't got an arm like yours; I have to put anything on it I can find. Someday you will too.
 
2014-04-14 11:11:10 AM
Glad they finally got around to writing an article about a book that's been out longer than I've been alive.

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2014-04-14 12:27:08 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Frederick: red5ish: The outrage over PED use, fueled by hypocritical sports writers and commentators, is way out of proportion to the importance of the thing itself. The sheer amount of bile and hate directed toward Barry Bonds in particular is unreasonable. Mention Bonds in a conversation at a bar and you will see people going into snot blasting rage over drive. Mention Osama Bin Laden and you won't get anything like the response to Bonds.
Bin Laden engineered the massacre of over three thousand innocent people.
Bonds took steroids so he could hit a baseball harder.

I 100% agree with your opinion.  The question is "why?"; why get so upset about Barry Bonds in particular?  Some of the theories I've heard from the likes of Buster Olney and Tim Kurkjian is that it was personal -at least in regards to the sportswriters attitudes.  Bonds was a notorious asshole about granting interviews and other things.  That attitude rubbed writers wrong who then vilified Bonds and it trickled down to readers.

The other theories are; it's racial.  And I think there is some credence to that.  Compare the peoples attitudes about McGwire and Bonds.  Or Thome and Bonds.

/Bonds is as guilty of PED's as Thome.  Yes.

It was about 5% racial, 95% he's an asshole


It is about people having their priorities totally screwed up.
 
2014-04-14 03:27:43 PM

Frederick: red5ish: The outrage over PED use, fueled by hypocritical sports writers and commentators, is way out of proportion to the importance of the thing itself. The sheer amount of bile and hate directed toward Barry Bonds in particular is unreasonable. Mention Bonds in a conversation at a bar and you will see people going into snot blasting rage over drive. Mention Osama Bin Laden and you won't get anything like the response to Bonds.
Bin Laden engineered the massacre of over three thousand innocent people.
Bonds took steroids so he could hit a baseball harder.

I 100% agree with your opinion.  The question is "why?"; why get so upset about Barry Bonds in particular?  Some of the theories I've heard from the likes of Buster Olney and Tim Kurkjian is that it was personal -at least in regards to the sportswriters attitudes.  Bonds was a notorious asshole about granting interviews and other things.  That attitude rubbed writers wrong who then vilified Bonds and it trickled down to readers.

The other theories are; it's racial.  And I think there is some credence to that.  Compare the peoples attitudes about McGwire and Bonds.  Or Thome and Bonds.

/Bonds is as guilty of PED's as Thome.  Yes.


Sosa and Bonds?
 
2014-04-14 03:32:07 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one disgusted with the baseball writers pretending moral superiority about steroids being cheating while putting admitted cheaters in the HOF because they use pine tar instead of a drug.
 
2014-04-14 03:43:48 PM
Nobody noticed anything funny about this? None of the professional sports writers, trainers, coaches or pro wrestling fans?
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Everybody was okay with it until suddenly OMG it was the worst crime ever committed.
 
2014-04-14 03:59:48 PM

meanmutton: I'm glad I'm not the only one disgusted with the baseball writers pretending moral superiority about steroids being cheating while putting admitted cheaters in the HOF because they use pine tar instead of a drug.


There are lots of us. We should have jackets made and form a club.

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2014-04-15 12:49:25 AM
I'm actually really surprised that the thread didn't have any of the usual "PED's are the worst thing in baseball" comments.
 
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