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2014-04-13 11:53:25 PM
Push her off the same cliff. Call it squaresies.
 
2014-04-13 11:58:32 PM
So, when push came to shove she couldn't take the fall
 
2014-04-14 12:50:39 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, when push came to shove she couldn't take the fall


Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.
 
2014-04-14 12:59:49 AM

farkingismybusiness: Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.


But their relationship was good to the last drop
 
2014-04-14 01:01:17 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: farkingismybusiness: Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.

But their relationship was good to the last drop


He really fell for her.
 
2014-04-14 01:03:55 AM

farkingismybusiness: MaudlinMutantMollusk: farkingismybusiness: Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.

But their relationship was good to the last drop

He really fell for her.


Head over heels
 
2014-04-14 02:39:58 AM
Lol...everyone should just read the first six posts over and over. Comedy gold.

/got nuthin
 
2014-04-14 03:34:40 AM
What a shame. Kalispell is really nice country.
 
2014-04-14 03:52:42 AM
Seriously, you push your newly wed SO off a cliff and think you can plea deal something short term?

Rot in hell biatch

So did y'all have  nice weekend?
 
2014-04-14 03:57:05 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Seriously, you push your newly wed SO off a cliff and think you can plea deal something short term?

Rot in hell biatch

So did y'all have  nice weekend?


Maybe it'd work if you just argued it was an accident and you thought there was a ridge below the one he was on. It's worth a try, at least.
 
2014-04-14 04:48:35 AM
I don't think she understood the gravity of her actions.
 
2014-04-14 06:16:48 AM
Due to simple minded emotional facts and emotional science , she should be released on a short term parole !
 
2014-04-14 06:20:35 AM
poor guy :(
 
2014-04-14 06:20:42 AM
makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon
 
2014-04-14 06:22:41 AM
When push comes to shove, she's afraid of love.
 
2014-04-14 06:28:07 AM
I see. They offered a plea deal to get a reduced sentence because hey, she was the only party to witness it while he was alive, then threw the book at her.

/I bet he really did slip.
 
2014-04-14 06:32:57 AM

TheRealist II: Due to simple minded emotional facts and emotional science , she should be released on a short term parole !


2.5 seconds oughta be long enough.
 
2014-04-14 06:34:18 AM
Steep!    tehehehehe!
 
2014-04-14 06:45:35 AM

fluffy2097: I see. They offered a plea deal to get a reduced sentence because hey, she was the only party to witness it while he was alive, then threw the book at her.

/I bet he really did slip.


It was probably a great trip until then.
 
2014-04-14 06:46:27 AM

Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon


Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.
 
2014-04-14 06:48:39 AM
That's what happens when you're ignorant of the law.  She should have read at least one legal textbook--or at least the Cliff Notes version.

/ba-dump, tchhhhhh
//i'll be here all week, folks--well actually I leave for munich on wednesday
///but be sure to try the blintzes anyways
 
2014-04-14 06:49:57 AM

Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-14 06:57:36 AM
She's from Kalispel? I guess he wasn't her huckleberry
 
2014-04-14 06:59:13 AM
*Kalispell
 
2014-04-14 06:59:16 AM
Why didn't she take him on a cruise?
 
2014-04-14 07:00:15 AM

No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.


I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)
 
2014-04-14 07:02:05 AM
She should be thankful that she wasn't charged with basalt and battery.

/sorry
 
2014-04-14 07:07:08 AM

Weatherkiss: Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon


Uhmmm...

read your profile.

still laughing at your comments on sex. I have one suggestion. Under men add in parenthesis: optional if still fresh. I think you can figure out exactly where.

In the unlikely event we ever meet... I will happily buy you a drink or two and we can shoot the sh!@t if you are interested... no strings attached.
 
2014-04-14 07:19:43 AM
Man, that guy was a pushover--a real fall guy--and that relationship went downhill fast.

/i'm outta here
 
2014-04-14 07:27:18 AM

bmr68: Why didn't she take him on a cruise?


*splash*
 
2014-04-14 07:36:06 AM

farkingismybusiness: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, when push came to shove she couldn't take the fall

Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-14 07:45:34 AM

Kinetic King: Man, that guy was a pushover--a real fall guy--and that relationship went downhill fast.

/i'm outta here


So you are saying they hit rock bottom?
 
2014-04-14 07:50:35 AM

Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon


Like Wile E. Coyote, I'm in that smoking hole at the bottom of the cliff.
 
2014-04-14 07:51:30 AM
It was a rocky marriage from the start
 
2014-04-14 07:51:37 AM
The bride was quoted saying "This would not have happened if my late husband would have eaten the poisoned mushrooms".
 
2014-04-14 08:03:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Seriously, you push your newly wed SO off a cliff and think you can plea deal something short term?

Rot in hell biatch

So did y'all have  nice weekend?

Maybe it'd work if you just argued it was an accident and you thought there was a ridge below the one he was on. It's worth a try, at least.


Not really. If someone dies when you commit a crime, in this case assault, you are liable for what happens to them. The argument that you thought it would be ok doesn't fly in court. It wasn't.
 
2014-04-14 08:10:46 AM

OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)


For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.
 
2014-04-14 08:13:03 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Seriously, you push your newly wed SO off a cliff and think you can plea deal something short term?

Rot in hell biatch

So did y'all have  nice weekend?


Frankly, I believe her husband's family should be given five unsupervised, immunity-filled minutes with her in the same cliff.

/thankful for our incredibly sweet and sane daughter-in-law
 
2014-04-14 08:13:14 AM

Wolf892: He deserves it. Any woman who would do that was obviously in deep pain due to the emotional or physical abuse she was suffering at his hands.
She's the real victim here.


This is why the Abused Wife defense is such a slippery slope.
 
2014-04-14 08:16:13 AM

ShadowKamui: It was a rocky marriage from the start


It certainly was. They were on their honeymoon when she did the deed. (Been married all of three days, IIRC)
 
2014-04-14 08:16:59 AM
DORMAMU:
So you are saying they hit rock bottom?

Yeah, but I'll bet she still gets sedimental over their short-lived marriage on occasion.

/ok, so i'm full of schist
 
2014-04-14 08:18:54 AM
Sorry. You're the one that decided to murder your husband. Your plea deal allowed you to plead guilty to second-degree murder, in return for not being tried for first-degree murder and making false statements - basically, you took a deal to avoid a possible death penalty sentence, and you knew that your sentence could be as long as life in prison. You don't get to change your plea because you don't like the resulting sentence.

The consequences are commensurate with the crime. Next!
 
2014-04-14 08:19:58 AM
MutantMotherMouse:

Frankly, I believe her husband's family should be given five unsupervised, immunity-filled minutes with her in the same cliff.

/thankful for our incredibly sweet and sane daughter-in-law


Oh.... oh dear...

You completely missed the signs of danger, didn't you?

/I hope she doesn't have access to your house or car.
 
2014-04-14 08:28:58 AM
www.everyjoe.com

She looks perfectly sane to me.
 
2014-04-14 08:30:43 AM
Shouldn't be against the law to fall in love.

Looks like she's still playing the victim. Kind of like when the story first came out and she said she tried to save him and then described someone getting pushed off a cliff.
 
2014-04-14 08:32:10 AM
It could be worse; she could have been a professional vulcanologist when she got married.

/btw, i wonder how many farkers have been sacrificed to volcanoes...
 
2014-04-14 08:41:00 AM
Boy, she really... murdered him by pushing him off of a cliff, to a probably horrifying death!

/Haha, get it?
 
2014-04-14 08:42:19 AM

FormlessOne: Sorry. You're the one that decided to murder your husband. Your plea deal allowed you to plead guilty to second-degree murder, in return for not being tried for first-degree murder and making false statements - basically, you took a deal to avoid a possible death penalty sentence, and you knew that your sentence could be as long as life in prison. You don't get to change your plea because you don't like the resulting sentence.

The consequences are commensurate with the crime. Next!


I find it funny when the judge throws the book at the defendant after a plea deal, and the defendant gets all pissy because the DA had suggested 5-10.  The DA doesn't tell the judge how to sentence, the DA only promise to stop follow up prosecution if a guilty plea is given.  I don't recall a judge ever allowing a guilty plea to be withdrawn.  I applaud the judge and hope her appeal is laughed at in open court.
 
2014-04-14 08:50:14 AM
God can you imagine the horror of that poor dudes thoughts on the way down?
 
2014-04-14 08:59:20 AM

doglover: Push her off the same cliff. Call it squaresies.


yup.
 
2014-04-14 09:03:11 AM

reggaejunkiejew: God can you imagine the horror of that poor dudes thoughts on the way down?


Guess I should have not gone for anal?
 
2014-04-14 09:05:49 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [www.everyjoe.com image 600x404]

She looks perfectly sane to me.


and hes making the O face
 
2014-04-14 09:05:55 AM

reggaejunkiejew: God can you imagine the horror of that poor dudes thoughts on the way down?


Sorry for the awful humor, but some set-ups demand the obvious punch line.

Actually, he issued a statement to reporters during his fall.  It was "AHHHHHHHHHHHHH...", *gasp*, "AHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
 
2014-04-14 09:08:22 AM

lack of warmth: I don't recall a judge ever allowing a guilty plea to be withdrawn.


Which sucks because plea deals are so unethical and they bait people with them all the time. At the same time, anything more than a decade in prison is unconscionable. So she really has some good points in theory.

On the other hand, she pushed a man off a cliff. She can't be trusted in society anymore. Not even with a bit facial tattoo and special reflective garment that both say "MURDERESS" is tracked by GPS 24/7.

Justice is very clear here. Luckily for her, she's got that 6th amendment protection.
 
2014-04-14 09:15:01 AM
I'm on mobile so can't pic, but dig up "Here in Heaven" on the Sparks album Kimono My House.
Lyrics:

Here, there are lots of things to do
And a panoramic view
Of the universe completely surrounding you

And here you cannot buy souvenirs
You're never going back, never, never
Basically, I guess it could be worse
Yes, I do suppose it could be worse

Here, there are many, many sheep
And the people only sleep
And awake to tell how gory and gruesome was their end
And I don't have many friends
And it's really very clean and I'm thinking
Juliet, you broke our little pact
Juliet, I'm never coming back

[Chorus:]
Up here in Heaven without you
I'm here in Heaven without you
Up here in Heaven without you
It is Hell knowing that your health will keep you out of here
For years and years and years

Dear, do you often think of me
As you overlook the sea
Do I qualify as dearly departed or am I
That sucker in the sky
The fall guy for the first and the last time
Juliet, I thought we had agreed
Now I know why you let me take the lead

[Chorus:]
Up here in Heaven without you
I'm here in Heaven without you
Up here in Heaven without you
It is Hell knowing that your health will keep you out of here
For years and years and years

Second thoughts, is that what you had?
Second thoughts, first I broke my back
Second thoughts, as I hit the sea
Second thoughts, for eternity, for eternity, for eternity

[Chorus:]
Up here in Heaven without you
I'm here in Heaven without you
Up here in Heaven without you
It is Hell knowing that your health will keep you out of here
For years and years and years
 
2014-04-14 09:26:44 AM

lack of warmth: FormlessOne: Sorry. You're the one that decided to murder your husband. Your plea deal allowed you to plead guilty to second-degree murder, in return for not being tried for first-degree murder and making false statements - basically, you took a deal to avoid a possible death penalty sentence, and you knew that your sentence could be as long as life in prison. You don't get to change your plea because you don't like the resulting sentence.

The consequences are commensurate with the crime. Next!

I find it funny when the judge throws the book at the defendant after a plea deal, and the defendant gets all pissy because the DA had suggested 5-10.  The DA doesn't tell the judge how to sentence, the DA only promise to stop follow up prosecution if a guilty plea is given.  I don't recall a judge ever allowing a guilty plea to be withdrawn.  I applaud the judge and hope her appeal is laughed at in open court.


The basic rule is that a defendant may withdraw a guilty plea at any time up until the sentence is issued.
 
2014-04-14 09:28:42 AM
She made a plea deal? No stone-walling the prosecution?  No  expensive cliff-hanger trial?  Great! But there's no basis for appeal on a plea deal unless she changes her story, and nobody is going to fall for that.
 
2014-04-14 09:43:24 AM
Her craziness and unrealistic expectations of reality - shown in how she handled being married (briefly) - also seemed to carry over into how she handled her defense.  First denied everything.  Then when presented with the likelihood of conviction, pleaded guilty without seeming to understand that the sentence was going to be kind of a lot, and now is attempting to retract her plea because apparently she didn't realize feds don't do parole.
 
2014-04-14 09:45:57 AM

doglover: lack of warmth: I don't recall a judge ever allowing a guilty plea to be withdrawn.

Which sucks because plea deals are so unethical and they bait people with them all the time. At the same time, anything more than a decade in prison is unconscionable. So she really has some good points in theory.

On the other hand, she pushed a man off a cliff. She can't be trusted in society anymore. Not even with a bit facial tattoo and special reflective garment that both say "MURDERESS" is tracked by GPS 24/7.

Justice is very clear here. Luckily for her, she's got that 6th amendment protection.


How, exactly, is anything more than 10 years in prison "unconscionable"?

She ended someone's life.  How would 10 years in prison ever be sufficient punishment for that?  Why should she ever get to be happy again?  Even for the briefest of moments?
 
2014-04-14 09:53:23 AM

jackmalice: lack of warmth: FormlessOne: Sorry. You're the one that decided to murder your husband. Your plea deal allowed you to plead guilty to second-degree murder, in return for not being tried for first-degree murder and making false statements - basically, you took a deal to avoid a possible death penalty sentence, and you knew that your sentence could be as long as life in prison. You don't get to change your plea because you don't like the resulting sentence.

The consequences are commensurate with the crime. Next!

I find it funny when the judge throws the book at the defendant after a plea deal, and the defendant gets all pissy because the DA had suggested 5-10.  The DA doesn't tell the judge how to sentence, the DA only promise to stop follow up prosecution if a guilty plea is given.  I don't recall a judge ever allowing a guilty plea to be withdrawn.  I applaud the judge and hope her appeal is laughed at in open court.

The basic rule is that a defendant may withdraw a guilty plea at any time up until the sentence is issued.


It sounds like a bad lawyer move, since it sounds like she wanted to pull her plea after the sentencing.  Reminds me of the time my dad was involved in a personal injury suit (he was a witness) where the plaintiff's lawyer wanted the jury trial because it was in the heyday of large payouts by juries (shortly after the McD's coffee fiasco).  Only the jury threw the case out, and the lawyer immediately wanted the jury's verdict tossed out.  The judge sounded like he was on the verge of charging the lawyer with contempt if he didn't leave right then.
 
2014-04-14 09:56:30 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: farkingismybusiness: MaudlinMutantMollusk: farkingismybusiness: Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.

But their relationship was good to the last drop

He really fell for her.

Head over heels


I hear she is already dating a new guy named Cliff
 
2014-04-14 10:02:20 AM

Kinetic King: That's what happens when you're ignorant of the law.  She should have read at least one legal textbook--or at least the Cliff Notes version.

/ba-dump, tchhhhhh
//i'll be here all week, folks--well actually I leave for munich on wednesday
///but be sure to try the blintzes anyways


Way to crowbar in your travel plans. Also, "boo" "booooooo".
/Boourns
//Traveling is fun.
///sslashies
 
2014-04-14 10:11:21 AM
There are easier ways to get out of being married, she just picked the dumb way.
 
2014-04-14 10:32:47 AM

MycroftHolmes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: farkingismybusiness: MaudlinMutantMollusk: farkingismybusiness: Turns out the husband was just a fall guy.

But their relationship was good to the last drop

He really fell for her.

Head over heels

I hear she is already dating a new guy named Cliff


Hopefully, she won't jump into a new relationship too quickly (in club Fed)
 
2014-04-14 10:33:47 AM
Seriously though, crazy biatch. She should get life in prison.
 
2014-04-14 10:50:41 AM

No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.


I think the graph works for people with progeria.
 
2014-04-14 10:53:23 AM
Allowing her appeal would send the law down a slippery slope, permitting every defendant to withdraw their plea if the sentence was too steep.
 
2014-04-14 10:55:32 AM

ShadowKamui: It was a rocky marriage from the start


Did he take her too much for granite?

But this all explains why the marriage rate is dropping.
 
2014-04-14 10:57:33 AM

reggaejunkiejew: God can you imagine the horror of that poor dudes thoughts on the way down?


"But on the plus side, at least I will no longer be in a marriage with her."
 
2014-04-14 11:00:00 AM

inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.


It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.
 
2014-04-14 11:13:43 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.

It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.


How long until you have to be to the gym?
 
2014-04-14 11:27:04 AM

AFKobel: Skirl Hutsenreiter: inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.

It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.

How long until you have to be to the gym?


26 minutes.

But seriously, no one would've called me hot as a college kid getting mistaken for a 12 year old, except maybe some creepers. So I have to enjoy the not worrying about wrinkles now.
 
2014-04-14 11:34:01 AM

inglixthemad: A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.


Just the thought of the conversations and insecurity makes my head hurt.

I haven't dated a woman under 30 since my early 20s.

Maybe I just had a LOT of bad luck with younger women, but I don't miss them at this point.
 
2014-04-14 11:46:23 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.

It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.


People often mistake 'attractive' for 'hot', and it is a bit easier these days with the epidemic of flab most Americans carry.

No, the difference is this:

At literal 22 a woman has suitors galore. She has guys hanging on her every breath. She can, usually, wink and smile her way into getting guys to do what she wants. She just has to have the butt, boobs, and face to pull it off. They can party non-stop, and never be short of attention. Then it starts to change a little. The pert breasts that guys ogled for a seeming eternity start to droop, and she can't afford a lift. The butt, so round and perky, becomes flabbier and sags. The little lines appear on her face, and it's harder every year to cover them up with makeup.

That's the wall, and even lots of sunscreen and gym time can't prevent it. They can forestall complete failure, but by 35 their bodies are quickly changing. There are other changes as well, of a more personal nature, and no amount of exercise can fix them.

Contrasting that with guys, a good workout routine (and it is easier for guys) will keep you strong looking and attractive well until 50/55. Somewhere between 50-60 you see a change take place in the guys, and then you need status or money to pull the 20 somethings. Personality helps here too, but really (especially after 60) it will be status and money that pull the young females to you.

For women, especially women who were very attractive, it's a very hard thing to accept or acknowledge. Going from being the center of attention to a group of guys to secondary status is like a slap in the face. I had a friend who hit the wall last year: she works out, wears sunscreen, et al. Then all of sudden (not really, it had been slowly happening she just didn't notice) she was 34 and the guys just weren't lining up. She already had told me she wanted to get herself a boob lift. (They used to be so dang impressive! *her words*) That was before she had the realization that guys just weren't giving her attention like they used to.

She was married, had a kid, and divorced. She's a chronically partial employed gal who had coasted on her looks for a while before hitting school again. Now, and she should be glad, she's almost done with school. She had a boyfriend who dumped her because she's terrible with maintaining a job (they were always so easy to get, as a bartender) and her credit rating sucks. She hasn't found a new bartending gig since her last one let her go (chronic tardiness) and she couldn't figure out why until the realization hit: she's not the hot girl anymore. She even was chiding my 22 year old cutie (behind her back) when I pointed out she used to be that girl.

I don't think I've helped with her realization too much. She laments only one thing: she didn't realize what she had until it was too late. She hates being a second class female, to other younger females. She despises (no, she doesn't outright say it, but her words for younger women are just shy of blatant) the fact they get the attention she used to get, that she was so used to getting, that her vitriol for them bubbles just below the surface. She hates that guys now view her as something less desirable, and that she now has to compete so much harder for attention.

I can't help but feel bad, a little, and just remind her she had her 20 years. No, life isn't fair. Was she really fair to those guys who waited with bated breath to see if she would deign to give them her time? How many did she treat poorly? Even she would have to admit it's quite a few. She dated the party guy, married him, got knocked up, had a kid, got chubby (fat really), and divorced him thinking she could do better. She lost the weight when she divorced, dated with abandon, refused 3 other guy's offers to settle down, and now she's complaining? She burned up her time in the spotlight, and now she's just got a bit part.

The second worst part (for her) is the 'quality' of guy has gone down tremendously in her eyes. She used to have attractive guys with money showering her with gifts and vacations. The most recent guy she was dating was a 32 year old computer repairman at a small store. I met him, and he's a nice enough guy, but not like she was used to dating. He's got some fun stuff, but he's got no money to go to take them to the Caribbean for a week on a whim. Even planning a year in advance would be tough, because he'd have to pay for her and he doesn't make that much. Apparently he wasn't bad in the bedroom, but he didn't worship her in bed like the other guys she dated. He was a 'nice' guy, but he didn't have any ambition to move up, not really. He's happy in his job that pays probably (given what my nephew makes at his job) $24k-$30k a year. She used to date guys that made $10k a month. That she can't seem to attract better stings viciously. Heck, possibly more viciously than anything else because she still 'sees' those guys, they just don't 'see' her anymore. They're busy dating younger women.
 
2014-04-14 11:57:48 AM

inglixthemad: Skirl Hutsenreiter: inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.

It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.

People often mistake 'attractive' for 'hot', and it is a bit easier these days with the epidemic of flab most Americans carry.

No, the difference i ...


You sure have invested a lot of energy in the thorough analysis of this woman.

Perhaps too much? Take it easy. Just be happy for your own self-awareness.
 
2014-04-14 12:14:19 PM

Pangea: inglixthemad: A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

Just the thought of the conversations and insecurity makes my head hurt.

I haven't dated a woman under 30 since my early 20s.

Maybe I just had a LOT of bad luck with younger women, but I don't miss them at this point.


All women are inherently insecure. The sooner you realize that, the better. The older they get, the less secure they get about their looks. You want to see a woman terrifyingly insecure? Bring a 35+ year old woman to a party filled with 25 year old women. Listen to the comments she makes about other women. Why? They used to be the 25 year old, and it often viciously stings them to see 'that girl' getting more attention.

My wife, attractive as she is, can be terribly insecure about her looks. She knows she's not the 20 something that I married. Some ways, yes she's better. Physically? H E L L no she isn't. After breastfeeding several babies, we did get her a boob lift, she dang well earned it. That being said, she knows she can't lie, she can look in the mirror. She knows she's not 20 anymore, or even 30. She's just dang glad she wasn't an idiot like several of her American friends. (She's Finnish)

She's vain (and lost the pregnancy weight each time)
She works out hard (and, for her age, my wife is very attractive)
She never (and I mean farking NEVER) turned off the bedroom (or any room) sultry behavior
She never (and I mean farking NEVER) said no to sex without being sick as a dog, et al. (ditto here, I never turned her down)
She eats right (same for me, and we taught our kids to eat healthy)
She's 'jealous', but not jealous (same here, we spend weeks apart, we have certain permissions)

The trick with younger women is to identify who they are up front. Some want to be 'controlled', and this is your 50 shades of domination girls so common today because of that stupid book. Some of them just need to realize that you have plenty of attention and won't tolerate stupidity. Girl does something exceedingly dumb? You have to remind them: you're nice, attractive, reasonably intelligent, and probably funny, but I don't need you. My world does not revolve around you. I'm not saying be mean, just not worshiping the ground they walk on.

Younger women are quite entertaining, and I don't just mean physically. I've 'dated' poets, artists, nerd girls, et al. Some of the things you experience when making new friends, understanding how they think, it's exhilarating. You just have to take the blinders off.
 
2014-04-14 12:24:20 PM
Pangea: You sure have invested a lot of energy in the thorough analysis of this woman.

Perhaps too much? Take it easy. Just be happy for your own self-awareness.


I've spent a lot of time making friends. You learn a lot by doing. I'm a far better pilot today than 10 (or even 2) years ago. The same goes for women. I enjoy the company of most women, there are a few that are undesirable, because I enjoy people in general. No I'm not saying I date even half the women I meet, or even becomes friends with, but I do enjoy meeting new people.

I've also seen this before, and I'll see her again. I'll make another friend, and she'll have a similar story. I've heard it a dozen times at least:

Pretty young thing is fawned over by the guys
Pretty young thing gets older
No longer the pretty young thing, she starts working harder (subconsciously)
Realization she's no longer the pretty young thing guys fawn over
She's jealous of the new 'pretty young thing' that took her place

At this point it can diverge (all women are jealous of losing this status) into acceptance that nature is cruel, or spiteful behavior to the younger girls.
 
2014-04-14 12:29:09 PM
Pro Tip for her future cell mate: Do not take the top bunk.
 
2014-04-14 12:34:46 PM
Pay her no mind. It's just a bluff.
 
2014-04-14 12:42:00 PM
Always fun to see misogyny in action.  The idea of a female striking back against institutionalized abuse is just too much for some to handle.
 
2014-04-14 01:15:34 PM

Pangea: inglixthemad: A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

Just the thought of the conversations and insecurity makes my head hurt.

I haven't dated a woman under 30 since my early 20s.

Maybe I just had a LOT of bad luck with younger women, but I don't miss them at this point.


So much this.

I can't think of anything to say to the younger women out there. I don't watch TV, don't follow celebrities, don't go for organized religion, and have a conservative political outlook.

My Princess isn't a Farker, but I will shout out to her for being the best thing in my life.
 
2014-04-14 01:55:47 PM

bmr68: Why didn't she take him on a cruise?


Because security cameras. You can't push people overboard like you used to be able to :(
 
2014-04-14 01:56:51 PM

reggaejunkiejew: God can you imagine the horror of that poor dudes thoughts on the way down?


Yea like being very aware you married the wrong woman.
 
2014-04-14 02:19:27 PM

selena gomez has an anus: Always fun to see misogyny in action.  The idea of a female striking back against institutionalized abuse is just too much for some to handle.


Put a little effort into it if you expect a score.

i40.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-14 02:25:22 PM

Freakin Rican: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [www.everyjoe.com image 600x404]

She looks perfectly sane to me.

and hes making the O face


I didn't realize he had one of those stupid goatees. She should be released and thanked for her service to humanity.
 
2014-04-14 03:09:10 PM

inglixthemad: Skirl Hutsenreiter: inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.

It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.

People often mistake 'attractive' for 'hot', and it is a bit easier these days with the epidemic of flab most Americans carry.

No, the difference i ...


whatthefarkamireading.jpg
 
2014-04-14 03:48:59 PM

Slam1263: Pangea: inglixthemad: A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

Just the thought of the conversations and insecurity makes my head hurt.

I haven't dated a woman under 30 since my early 20s.

Maybe I just had a LOT of bad luck with younger women, but I don't miss them at this point.

So much this.

I can't think of anything to say to the younger women out there. I don't watch TV, don't follow celebrities, don't go for organized religion, and have a conservative political outlook.

My Princess isn't a Farker, but I will shout out to her for being the best thing in my life.


No different than older women, just find out what they're interested in and if your interests are compatible. Not all of their attention is on the vapid.

My wife, not princess (never was a princess, she didn't need rescuing), is a great woman. We do fun stuff together when we're not contracted out to distant places. I love spending time with her because she's interesting, and we like trying new things.
 
2014-04-14 04:15:50 PM

inglixthemad: Skirl Hutsenreiter: inglixthemad: OhioUGrad: No Such Agency: Weatherkiss: [makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com image 457x309]

Tried finding a funny and acceptable Wile E. Coyote picture, but found this far more enjoyable instead.

/approaching that cliff soon

Jesus who the hell made that graph?  It appears to describe some Appalachian region where women are sallow, chain-smoking mothers of five by the age of 19, and men are broken down meth heads by their early 40's.  Or a pedo who hasn't ever had sex with a female over the age of 14.

I think it's more in terms of having children, not attractiveness. (although women are more likely to have that cliff where they can slip off and just become not hittable, or can coast on to middle age and later gracefully like Cindy Crawford and the like)

For a woman, using my wife as an example, to be considered hot after 35-40 takes a lot of work and vanity. More than simple gym time, it takes great luck at the genetic lottery. Heck, most women are hitting the wall (hard) at 30. Yeah, nature's unfair to both sexes.

Women from about 13/14 to 28 have the guys begging for attention. Nature flips the script at about 30, and suddenly women are the beggars. A 30 year old guy can date any number of attractive 20 something's. Heck, an old dog like me can easily date 20 something's.

You do have to be in shape and have a decent job. Women get their 20 odd years of relationship power first, men get theirs second.

It's actually not that hard if you wore sunscreen even before you needed to worry about wrinkles and never partied too hard. You have to exercise more, but so do men at that age to stay looking good.

I'm past that curve and still celebrate the rare occaissions when I'm NOT carded. But then, no one where I live wears makeup, and I once got asked if I was flying alone when I was 22.

People often mistake 'attractive' for 'hot', and it is a bit easier these days with the epidemic of flab most Americans carry.

No, the difference i ...


Sounds like my roomate. Met her when she was 17-18 and damn she had guys fawning over her. She didnt get married or have kids (thank God) but the rest sounds like you describe it. She is 28 and cant figure out why people are not falling over themselves to get with her and she was talking about taking up modeling again for extra money. I told her once she hits 30 the next 10 years would be a blur so she better figure out what she is going to do before she is a chain smoking waitress at some greasy diner.
 
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