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2014-04-13 05:20:35 PM  
If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.
 
2014-04-13 05:22:57 PM  
Meh, I'm ok with this.  D2D mail is artificially cheap, to the point where it has been taken over almost completely by advertising.

I'll gladly pay $3 to send a letter via one of the private carriers if it means not having to deal with the mountains of junk mail that currently compose about 98% of my total mail volume.
 
2014-04-13 05:23:02 PM  
Seems legit.
 
2014-04-13 05:23:54 PM  
Postal services should evolve into (crappy) internet service providers of last resort.
 
2014-04-13 05:23:55 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.


I doubt that. The switch to privatized would be pretty damn easy and cheap, at least for individual use.

Corporate? Eh...I dunno, but I'd like to see what happens.

Course I also like to secretly give alcohol and drugs to straight edge folk just to see what happens.

Poke the tiger in the balls.

POKE IT!
 
2014-04-13 05:24:31 PM  
Wow, never thought I'd see the day when Canada does something astronomically more stupid than the US.  Just, wow.

This cannot have a good outcome.  If nothing else, I'm thinking of legal matters like summonses, tickets, court appearances, so on.  Governments are going to have to use private companies to ensure delivery, and adding a third party is going to introduce all kinds of issues.  Confidentiality, security, reliability, on and on and on.

This is insane.  While email has replaced a lot of written mail content, there's still a need for physical mail delivery.
 
2014-04-13 05:26:17 PM  
I thought that Canada post was so unreliable that everyone used private carriers anyway.


/I wish USPS would do this, I think I have received one real letter mixed in with the daily sales flyers, scam letters and assorted junk mail in the last 4 months
 
2014-04-13 05:27:25 PM  
You know it's sad when the postal outfit that invented Xmas Stamps(with a dash of Imperialism) makes old folks stick on their snowshoes to grab junkmail
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-13 05:27:42 PM  
Welcome to Harper's Canada.


Seriously, the sooner we get rid of that asshole the better.
 
2014-04-13 05:27:54 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.


Funny how the republicans are all about cutting costs, but they fight with all their might to keep the mail flowing 6 days a week, even though the post office is losing 5 billion a year.  If it was up to me, I'd cut delivery down to 4 days a week.
 
2014-04-13 05:29:02 PM  

yukichigai: This cannot have a good outcome. If nothing else, I'm thinking of legal matters like summonses, tickets, court appearances, so on. Governments are going to have to use private companies to ensure delivery, and adding a third party is going to introduce all kinds of issues. Confidentiality, security, reliability, on and on and on.


I'm wondering about that part as well, I'm not well versed in the specifics of billing but it'd be fun if you could refute payments by simply saying "Nope, never got it, its never showed up at my billing address."
 
2014-04-13 05:31:08 PM  

Astorix: Seriously, the sooner we get rid of that asshole the better.


So...your defense for keeping the day to day mail is...the politician is the devil? Not that it's outlived it's usefulness as an archaic form of sending media?
 
2014-04-13 05:32:34 PM  
NSFW pic in right column. tsk tsk
 
2014-04-13 05:32:45 PM  
The boss of Canada Post, Deepak Chopra, defended the move

Um...

What?
 
2014-04-13 05:34:01 PM  

yukichigai: Wow, never thought I'd see the day when Canada does something astronomically more stupid than the US.  Just, wow.

This cannot have a good outcome.  If nothing else, I'm thinking of legal matters like summonses, tickets, court appearances, so on.  Governments are going to have to use private companies to ensure delivery, and adding a third party is going to introduce all kinds of issues.  Confidentiality, security, reliability, on and on and on.

This is insane.  While email has replaced a lot of written mail content, there's still a need for physical mail delivery.


They are talking about going from door-to-door delivery to installing and using superboxes, not eliminating mail delivery altogether. I haven't had mail delivery to my door in decades and I still manage to get all of my mail. At least as long as I don't throw it away because it is hidden in mountains of junk mail.
 
2014-04-13 05:35:02 PM  

BumpInTheNight: yukichigai: This cannot have a good outcome. If nothing else, I'm thinking of legal matters like summonses, tickets, court appearances, so on. Governments are going to have to use private companies to ensure delivery, and adding a third party is going to introduce all kinds of issues. Confidentiality, security, reliability, on and on and on.

I'm wondering about that part as well, I'm not well versed in the specifics of billing but it'd be fun if you could refute payments by simply saying "Nope, never got it, its never showed up at my billing address."


You can try but there are Process servers in Canada, so it will end up costing ya more
 
2014-04-13 05:37:36 PM  

Johnny Texas: TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.

Funny how the republicans are all about cutting costs, but they fight with all their might to keep the mail flowing 6 days a week, even though the post office is losing 5 billion a year.  If it was up to me, I'd cut delivery down to 4 days a week.


The only reason USPS is losing money is because of a congressional mandate to pay 75 years worth of pensions.


Son of Thunder: The boss of Canada Post, Deepak Chopra, defended the move

Um...

What?


Yeah, they never should have put that self-help charlatan in charge.
 
2014-04-13 05:38:01 PM  
Anywhere neighborhood in the US that has been developed in the last 25 years has had the 10-20 unit shared mailbox setup, just like the ones Canada is fully transitioning to.  They work just fine. Really. They also usually have a few parcel lockers at each multi-home-box, which is very convenient.
 
2014-04-13 05:38:12 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Astorix: Seriously, the sooner we get rid of that asshole the better.

So...your defense for keeping the day to day mail is...the politician is the devil? Not that it's outlived it's usefulness as an archaic form of sending media?


There is literally nothing that can't be used as an excuse for partisan poop-flinging.

/thanks, Obama
 
2014-04-13 05:38:59 PM  
* white glove valet mail service

* every neighborhood dog tries to eat your ass every day

* like someone said above, 99% fundamentally uneconomic junk mail

Some small towns still keep your mail at the post office. No one's died so far. Good riddance.
 
2014-04-13 05:39:19 PM  

Johnny Texas: TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.

Funny how the republicans are all about cutting costs, but they fight with all their might to keep the mail flowing 6 days a week, even though the post office is losing 5 billion a year.  If it was up to me, I'd cut delivery down to 4 days a week.


Where have you seen these "fight with all their might" events concerning 6 day delivery?  I'm assuming you're talking about multiple pieces of legislation addressing the topic, televised Congressional hearings that brought in the top 10 or so USPS officials, etc.
 
2014-04-13 05:39:50 PM  

Son of Thunder: There is literally nothing that can't be used as an excuse for partisan poop-flinging.


...then...the Politics tab is THATAWAY....what's that got to do with the efficiency or lack thereof pertaining to the mail?
 
2014-04-13 05:41:26 PM  

Son of Thunder: The boss of Canada Post, Deepak Chopra, defended the move

Um...

What?


I thought this was satire when I saw that. Looks like it's legitimately the guy, though.
 
2014-04-13 05:41:40 PM  

fusillade762: Johnny Texas: TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.

Funny how the republicans are all about cutting costs, but they fight with all their might to keep the mail flowing 6 days a week, even though the post office is losing 5 billion a year.  If it was up to me, I'd cut delivery down to 4 days a week.

The only reason USPS is losing money is because of a congressional mandate to pay 75 years worth of pensions.


Son of Thunder: The boss of Canada Post, Deepak Chopra, defended the move

Um...

What?

Yeah, they never should have put that self-help charlatan in charge.


Great googally moogally. It's not a gag or a typo.

http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/about us/corporate/management/presiden t /default.jsf

That poor guy.
 
2014-04-13 05:41:45 PM  
All that is happening is that instead of your mail going directly to your door it'll get routed to a 'supermailbox' nearby.   That way, each day, the postal truck can drive up to it and put your personal mail in your own mailbox (which you have a key).   If there's  a package they put it into a special larger box and give you a key to access it.

This is not rocket science.  My street has had this service for around 20 years.   The elderly/infirm on my street still manage to get their mail.
 
2014-04-13 05:42:23 PM  

Son of Thunder: The boss of Canada Post, Deepak Chopra, defended the move

Um...

What?


lolwut

I've seen a lot of Deepak/Dipaks. I don't know about Chopra but it's probably a common name over there (and now over here).
 
2014-04-13 05:43:33 PM  

RickN99: Where have you seen these "fight with all their might" events concerning 6 day delivery?  I'm assuming you're talking about multiple pieces of legislation addressing the topic, televised Congressional hearings that brought in the top 10 or so USPS officials, etc.


http://www.thewire.com/politics/2013/03/house-republicans-post-offic e- saturday-service/62837/
 
2014-04-13 05:45:30 PM  

yukichigai: This cannot have a good outcome.  If nothing else, I'm thinking of legal matters like summonses, tickets, court appearances, so on.  Governments are going to have to use private companies to ensure delivery, and adding a third party is going to introduce all kinds of issues.  Confidentiality, security, reliability, on and on and on.


Mail is still being delivered, just not directly to your door. It will go to community mailboxes (see below), which they have been using for over 20 years (older neighbourhoods that already had been receiving D2D mail were grandfathered). These are similar to mailboxes in apartment buildings and are usually at the end of your street.

I don't know about U.S, rules, but up here summonses and the like are usually directly served by process servers, or registered mail. You can send legal docs by standard mail, but even with D2D there is no proof of arrival, and people can easily deny receiving the documents.

I can see the argument from the elderly and handicapped, but for most people like myself a 30 second walk to the mailbox to pick up your mail isn't really an inconvenience.


looniepolitics.com
 
2014-04-13 05:50:40 PM  
Is this the thread where all the 'cool' people jump in and say how they don't even use a post office anymore because they are so cool?
 
2014-04-13 05:54:56 PM  

Astorix: Welcome to Harper's Canada.

Seriously, the sooner we get rid of that asshole the better.


Yep.

Harper's brand of conservatism has no room for public services that provide for the general good and well-being of the country.

Cyber_Junk: All that is happening is that instead of your mail going directly to your door it'll get routed to a 'supermailbox' nearby.   That way, each day, the postal truck can drive up to it and put your personal mail in your own mailbox (which you have a key).   If there's  a package they put it into a special larger box and give you a key to access it.

This is not rocket science.


No, it's not rocket science. By defunding the Post Harper sets the stage for private, for-profit services and further erodes Canadian's confidences in the government to provide services. Nevermind the numbers of seniors who are found after a fall or injury because their Postie noticed yesterday's mail hadn't been taken inside, nevermind the superboxes provide as easy single target for identity thieves, nevermind the thousands of Canadians selling arts and crafts, trading coupons, and engaging the economy through the mail are being gouged to serve an ideology 2/3rds of us didn't vote for - none of that is important if there's a dollar to be saved that can then be spent on tax-cuts for the rich. Science!
 
2014-04-13 06:03:58 PM  

Johnny Texas: TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.

Funny how the republicans are all about cutting costs, but they fight with all their might to keep the mail flowing 6 days a week, even though the post office is losing 5 billion a year.  If it was up to me, I'd cut delivery down to 4 days a week.


Monday, Wednesday, Friday.  That would be good enough for regular mail.  Packages can be sent via private carrier i.e. FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc...
 
2014-04-13 06:06:26 PM  
If Canada Post wants to save money, they can stop paying their carriers like they're professional athletes.
 
2014-04-13 06:07:02 PM  
A good liberal friend of mine told me that the only reason the Post Office is losing money is because evil Republicans force them to put money into pension plans.

So... if that is true, how is the Canadian Post Office losing money?
 
2014-04-13 06:09:12 PM  
Welcome to Obama America
 
2014-04-13 06:09:27 PM  

Tyrosine: I can see the argument from the elderly and handicapped, but for most people like myself a 30 second walk to the mailbox to pick up your mail isn't really an inconvenience.


It's funny how the conservatives do stuff like this that strains their relationship with the old people, who habitually vote Conservative because they stand for the good old days or Diefenbaker or some such shiat.

Most of the elderly people I know can't get their mind around e-billing, e-payment, debit cards and ATMs. Everything is either carried out  in-person at the business or through the mail.

As far as I am concerned about the post office, it's an anachronism that needs to go the way of the buggy whip.
 
2014-04-13 06:10:29 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Astorix: Welcome to Harper's Canada.

Seriously, the sooner we get rid of that asshole the better.

Yep.

Harper's brand of conservatism has no room for public services that provide for the general good and well-being of the country.

Cyber_Junk: All that is happening is that instead of your mail going directly to your door it'll get routed to a 'supermailbox' nearby.   That way, each day, the postal truck can drive up to it and put your personal mail in your own mailbox (which you have a key).   If there's  a package they put it into a special larger box and give you a key to access it.

This is not rocket science.

No, it's not rocket science. By defunding the Post Harper sets the stage for private, for-profit services and further erodes Canadian's confidences in the government to provide services. Nevermind the numbers of seniors who are found after a fall or injury because their Postie noticed yesterday's mail hadn't been taken inside, nevermind the superboxes provide as easy single target for identity thieves, nevermind the thousands of Canadians selling arts and crafts, trading coupons, and engaging the economy through the mail are being gouged to serve an ideology 2/3rds of us didn't vote for - none of that is important if there's a dollar to be saved that can then be spent on tax-cuts for the rich. Science!


Wow. That sounds exactly like the Tories in the UK. They've privatised the Royal Mail. It looks like they've got their eye on the BBC, for the next parliament.

And there's talk of charging for use of the NHS.

I mean, I'm not a commie. But why shouldn't we subsidise services that every citizen in a nation uses? Especially when they provide the quality that the BBC does. Isn't that what society is basically for?

/Also my mother survived breast cancer in 2010. Upfront cost: £0.
//It always kind of saddens me reading about the health care bills that Americans have to pay.
 
2014-04-13 06:10:49 PM  
I usually only get mail 2 days a week. Mostly junk, I keep the recycling bin right near the mailbox. Saves effort.
They should install large recycle bins beside the community mailboxes. Might save on the mess.
 
2014-04-13 06:13:34 PM  

udhq: I'll gladly pay $3 to send a letter via one of the private carriers


HAHAHAHAHAHA

You really believe prices will stay low once there is no competition from the government?

You are gravely mistaken. You'll see, and then it'll be too late to start a new government service, because the focus on profitability will prevent such a referendum.

Now go back to work and be efficient, before your corporate masters decide that it is more efficient to lay you off and hire a fresher replacement.

/Efficiency and profitability!
 
2014-04-13 06:13:43 PM  
Oh great, as if wasn't already hard enough to find a tight supplier of ball gags and other handy restraining devices.
 
2014-04-13 06:15:11 PM  

Dragonflew: If Canada Post wants to save money, they can stop paying their carriers like they're professional athletes.


Sour grapes because someone does a different job than you and makes more money than you think they deserve to make?
 
2014-04-13 06:17:08 PM  

udhq: Meh, I'm ok with this.  D2D mail is artificially cheap, to the point where it has been taken over almost completely by advertising.

I'll gladly pay $3 to send a letter via one of the private carriers if it means not having to deal with the mountains of junk mail that currently compose about 98% of my total mail volume.


This won't stop them from mailing you stuff, you just have to walk to pick up junk mail.
 
2014-04-13 06:17:15 PM  
When the fark did USPS start delivering on Sunday?

 I ordered some crap on Amazon Saturday.  I hear a thump at my door Sunday morning.  I open and it's my freaking order and I see a USPS truck pulling away.
 
2014-04-13 06:18:40 PM  

The_Time_Master: udhq: I'll gladly pay $3 to send a letter via one of the private carriers


HAHAHAHAHAHA

You really believe prices will stay low once there is no competition from the government?


Yeah... Because farkit.. a McDouble is $7.50 just because McDonalds CAN, since there is no more Government Burger Joint.
 
2014-04-13 06:19:33 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: The_Time_Master: udhq: I'll gladly pay $3 to send a letter via one of the private carriers


HAHAHAHAHAHA

You really believe prices will stay low once there is no competition from the government?

Yeah... Because farkit.. a McDouble is $7.50 just because McDonalds CAN, since there is no more Government Burger Joint.


How's your cable bill?
 
2014-04-13 06:21:40 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Harper's brand of conservatism has no room for public services that provide for the general good and well-being of the country.


How is it good for the well being of the country to send a few hundred pounds of junkmail to everyone throughout the year?

The_Time_Master: You really believe prices will stay low once there is no competition from the government?


Uh..there's still competition from each other. And chances are smaller individually owned services will open up besides the main big two ground companies (Fedex and UPS).

Hell, at work I make UPS and Fedex compete for our business every few months when it's time to renegotiate the discounts we get. It's fun!
 
2014-04-13 06:29:19 PM  
Bienvenue au Canada citoyen de Fartbongo!
 
2014-04-13 06:29:45 PM  

noblewolf: Monday, Wednesday, Friday.  That would be good enough for regular mail.  Packages can be sent via private carrier i.e. FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc...


I only say 4 days a week because it makes it easier to schedule the carriers.  Give them 4 ten hour days and be done with it.  If there's a way to get them their hours with only a 3 day delivery schedule, I'd be all for it.
 
2014-04-13 06:31:19 PM  

Johnny Texas: TV's Vinnie: If the USPS tried to pull that sh*t here, that might finally be the last straw that makes people get pissed off enough to launch an uprising.

Funny how the republicans are all about cutting costs, but they fight with all their might to keep the mail flowing 6 days a week, even though the post office is losing 5 billion a year.  If it was up to me, I'd cut delivery down to 4 days a week.


[citation needed].  I was under the impression our Republicans were trying to kill the USPS just as much as the Tories up north are apparently trying to kill Canada Post.  That whole pension-funding boondoggle being a good part of the "losing money" problem.
 
2014-04-13 06:31:53 PM  

grokca: I usually only get mail 2 days a week. Mostly junk, I keep the recycling bin right near the mailbox. Saves effort.
They should install large recycle bins beside the community mailboxes. Might save on the mess.


It's called the 'send' slot on the upper left of all community boxes, which also doubles as a convenient and relatively anonymous way to express our displeasure at community boxes. And maybe next time, they'll think their way through something before doing it.
 
2014-04-13 06:35:47 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Uh..there's still competition from each other. And chances are smaller individually owned services will open up besides the main big two ground companies (Fedex and UPS).


For all of that high profit letter mail?  Sure there will, sweet cheeks.  Just keep believing that.
What I can't get is why the direct mail marketing people aren't shiatting bricks at this prospect.  You think I'm going downtown every day just to get a bunch of crap?  No way, pal; let the community mailbox get shoved full of that shiat. I ain't picking it up.  Here's hoping they invest in a couple of industrial sized dumptsters right next to the boxes.  Pull out what you need, toss the rest as your leaving.
 
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