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2014-04-13 05:33:37 PM
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Looks like fun!
 
2014-04-13 05:55:11 PM
Sehr gut...unless you were with the Allieds.
 
2014-04-13 05:55:55 PM
is it just me, or are certain youtube videos not playing audio? in chrome...

some lets play! videos wouldnt have audio (though you see the audio meter rise and fall), but others worked fine. 

anyone?
 
2014-04-13 05:56:25 PM
Skip to 6:30 for the action.
 
2014-04-13 06:01:35 PM
bwahahaha I'm glad they let a long hair shoot the gun. His flowing locks spread like the plumage on a horny peacock!
 
2014-04-13 06:09:42 PM
I think if that were me, I'd hose down the dirt around it to keep the recoil from making all that dust.
 
2014-04-13 06:17:29 PM
I like the back story about the chick who painted it pink with flowers and sold it under the condition that it won't ever fire again. I hope the stupid hippie sees this video and shiats herself.

/kind of sad they didn't show the impact of the shell, or was it just a blank?
 
2014-04-13 06:19:38 PM

cgraves67: I think if that were me, I'd hose down the dirt around it to keep the recoil from making all that dust.


And then be splattered by a rain of mud.
 
2014-04-13 06:35:17 PM
why couldn't they shoot something like a wrecked car
 
2014-04-13 06:35:39 PM
Whattjsands1118:
/kind of sad they didn't show the impact of the shell, or was it just a blank?

My question too.

Also, where were they shooting? Seemed at least one other person was firing something cannon like.
 
2014-04-13 06:40:07 PM
It did a good job of settings someones car alarm off.
 
2014-04-13 06:49:58 PM

RoyBatty: Whattjsands1118:
/kind of sad they didn't show the impact of the shell, or was it just a blank?

My question too.

Also, where were they shooting? Seemed at least one other person was firing something cannon like.


I think they just went with blanks so to save on money, as it appears they are reusing the cartridge.  As for the other large gun, you can catch a glimpse of it in the back ground when they move the camera around the gun.  The range looks familiar, maybe from tv shows because that is one very large, natural berm for such large gun shooting.

Very cool, but I hope every German soldier who fired one went deaf before the war was over.
 
2014-04-13 06:52:19 PM

tjsands1118:   /kind of sad they didn't show the impact of the shell, or was it just a blank?

RoyBatty: Whattjsands1118:  My question too.


Appeared to be a blank shell case.  didn't see a shell on it..
 
2014-04-13 06:53:37 PM
fires a projectile that's almost three inches across

Considering the Germans had a gun from the beginning of the war that fired a shell that was almost 3 1/2 inches across (the 88 mm Flak), this is practically lightweight.

//Pretty good find otherwise
 
2014-04-13 06:53:56 PM
If it caused this much havoc over here, imagine what it did to the other guy!
 
2014-04-13 06:55:18 PM
I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.
 
2014-04-13 07:01:49 PM
Based on what the guy in the video said, this round is 6.8 Kilograms at 2743 Kph, which is approx 1,970,000 joules impact energy
 
2014-04-13 07:11:36 PM

lack of warmth: I think they just went with blanks so to save on money, as it appears they are reusing the cartridge.


If you pause the video at 6:56, it looks like the blast kicked up some dust in the distance.  Maybe there was something in there?
 
2014-04-13 07:18:26 PM

Smoking GNU: cgraves67: I think if that were me, I'd hose down the dirt around it to keep the recoil from making all that dust.

And then be splattered by a rain of mud.


RAINING MUD
Near a now functioning Pak
Fear its recoil
Now it shall RAIN IN MUD
 
2014-04-13 07:20:40 PM

lack of warmth: RoyBatty: Whattjsands1118:
/kind of sad they didn't show the impact of the shell, or was it just a blank?

My question too.

Also, where were they shooting? Seemed at least one other person was firing something cannon like.

I think they just went with blanks so to save on money, as it appears they are reusing the cartridge.  As for the other large gun, you can catch a glimpse of it in the back ground when they move the camera around the gun.  The range looks familiar, maybe from tv shows because that is one very large, natural berm for such large gun shooting.

Very cool, but I hope every German soldier who fired one went deaf before the war was over.


Googling suggests:
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/german-75mm-pak-40-at-gun-video/#com me nt-583371
They were live loads using inert projectiles. Ammunition for something like this would require an NFA stamp only if the projectile contains 1/4oz or more of explosive. With solid/inert projectiles, the ammunition is not subject to any regulations different from basic small arms ammunition.

This seems to claim it was fired near Tonopah, AZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RPAEEFxkjY

And this:

i.imgur.com

Seems to maybe indicate it was shot off here:

i.imgur.com


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-13 07:23:21 PM

tjsands1118: I like the back story about the chick who painted it pink with flowers and sold it under the condition that it won't ever fire again. I hope the stupid hippie sees this video and shiats herself.

/kind of sad they didn't show the impact of the shell, or was it just a blank?


I wonder how many professionals they brought in to rehabilitate it. He said the stripes would not have been accurate, so perhaps a conservator could have tested the original paint underneath to see what was painted over by the hippie idiot (assuming the previous owners did not sandblast it after bringing it over). Still farking awesome.
 
2014-04-13 07:29:20 PM

mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.


It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.
 
2014-04-13 07:31:00 PM

RoyBatty: With solid/inert projectiles, the ammunition is not subject to any regulations different from basic small arms ammunition.


Holy crap, a solid penetrator would leave a lot of wreckage. The Germans used a high-explosive AP round, but antitank weapons started with solid shot armor-piercing rounds, and the British consistently used them during World War II.
 
2014-04-13 07:34:48 PM

rebelyell2006: RoyBatty: With solid/inert projectiles, the ammunition is not subject to any regulations different from basic small arms ammunition.

Holy crap, a solid penetrator would leave a lot of wreckage. The Germans used a high-explosive AP round, but antitank weapons started with solid shot armor-piercing rounds, and the British consistently used them during World War II.


I don't know shiat about it, but is it possible the 3" slug just buried itself 10 feet into the mountain with little more than a puff of dust?
 
2014-04-13 07:41:01 PM

006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.


That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.
 
2014-04-13 07:42:37 PM
That damn mountain was walking right toward them.

STAND YOUR GROUND.
 
2014-04-13 07:44:53 PM
www.globaltradelink.co.uk

What an inert projectile might look like.
 
2014-04-13 08:03:45 PM

RoyBatty: rebelyell2006: RoyBatty: With solid/inert projectiles, the ammunition is not subject to any regulations different from basic small arms ammunition.

Holy crap, a solid penetrator would leave a lot of wreckage. The Germans used a high-explosive AP round, but antitank weapons started with solid shot armor-piercing rounds, and the British consistently used them during World War II.

I don't know shiat about it, but is it possible the 3" slug just buried itself 10 feet into the mountain with little more than a puff of dust?


Depending on what sort of metal was used, it could have buried itself into dirt and rock, or it could have shattered when hitting rock. Also depended on the shape of the slug.
 
2014-04-13 08:07:10 PM

mr intrepid: 006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.

That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.


Have you seen how many different artillery pieces they made?

/In the meantime, the MG34 was on freaking EVERYTHING
 
2014-04-13 08:24:12 PM

vygramul: mr intrepid: 006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.

That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.

Have you seen how many different artillery pieces they made?

/In the meantime, the MG34 was on freaking EVERYTHING


Oh yeah. Once the Allied air forces started breaking up their supply chain, one wonders how much artillery and how many vehicles were sidelined for lack of specific ammunition and spare parts?
 
2014-04-13 08:26:26 PM
Would rather have the 17lber.
 
2014-04-13 08:29:34 PM

mr intrepid: vygramul: mr intrepid: 006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.

That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.

Have you seen how many different artillery pieces they made?

/In the meantime, the MG34 was on freaking EVERYTHING

Oh yeah. Once the Allied air forces started breaking up their supply chain, one wonders how much artillery and how many vehicles were sidelined for lack of specific ammunition and spare parts?


The Allies could have done a better job destroying the logistics net. Thankfully, they frequently listed rail yards as secondary targets, so they ALMOST got enough attention to really create a logistics disaster for the Germans. As it is, the Germans actually didn't suffer from shortages of materiel nearly as much as the reputation.

For example, literally everything Rommel ever asked for made it to Tripoli. That is, the Germans sent enough to account for Malta losses.
 
2014-04-13 08:31:25 PM

headakl: Would rather have the 17lber.


So long as I get APDS, sure.
 
2014-04-13 08:32:26 PM
The original owner should have sawed the barrel in two before selling it on.  Or otherwise destroyed the firing parts.

I understand, yes, everything can be rebuilt, however, the guy took too much pleasure in explaining that the original owner never wanted it fired again.

Clown.
 
2014-04-13 08:41:21 PM

vygramul: mr intrepid: vygramul: mr intrepid: 006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.

That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.

Have you seen how many different artillery pieces they made?

/In the meantime, the MG34 was on freaking EVERYTHING

Oh yeah. Once the Allied air forces started breaking up their supply chain, one wonders how much artillery and how many vehicles were sidelined for lack of specific ammunition and spare parts?

The Allies could have done a better job destroying the logistics net. Thankfully, they frequently listed rail yards as secondary targets, so they ALMOST got enough attention to really create a logistics disaster for the Germans. As it is, the Germans actually didn't suffer from shortages of materiel nearly as much as the reputation.

For example, literally everything Rommel ever asked for made it to Tripoli. That is, the Germans sent enough to account for Malta losses.


Allied air force generals always wanted to go after major industrial targets to hit production at the source, while close air support was a second priority, and interdiction a third. As it turned out, the effectiveness of WWII-era bombing went in the exact opposite order.
 
2014-04-13 08:51:36 PM
Meh.

For real fun fill a rag with a big blob (several cups) of GAA (GREASE, AUTOMOTIVE AND ARTILLERY) and shove that into the breach in front of a 105mm tank round.

When you shoot it disperses like napalm and you get one of those huge fire-bursts like in the movies.

Range Tower: ALPHA TWO ONE DO YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE MALFUNCTION?
A21: Negative tower...
Range Tower: I better not see that shiat on this range again, is that clear?
A21: Affirmative tower...
 
2014-04-13 08:52:36 PM
Clown with a big gun.
 
2014-04-13 09:07:28 PM

tripleseven: The original owner should have sawed the barrel in two before selling it on.  Or otherwise destroyed the firing parts.

I understand, yes, everything can be rebuilt, however, the guy took too much pleasure in explaining that the original owner never wanted it fired again.

Clown.


Thats like sawing through a rare supercar because you've got a thing against the company who made it.
Only that cannon probably costs alot more than most rare cars, as its one of the only firing examples to survive the war.

If you prevented an idiot from destroying a piece of history, you'd probably gloat about that too.
 
2014-04-13 09:14:38 PM

rebelyell2006: RoyBatty: With solid/inert projectiles, the ammunition is not subject to any regulations different from basic small arms ammunition.

Holy crap, a solid penetrator would leave a lot of wreckage. The Germans used a high-explosive AP round, but antitank weapons started with solid shot armor-piercing rounds, and the British consistently used them during World War II.


IIRC the Germans were making tungsten penetrators. They were getting shipments from "neutral" Potugal or Spain right up to D-Day.
 
2014-04-13 09:25:37 PM

way south: tripleseven: The original owner should have sawed the barrel in two before selling it on.  Or otherwise destroyed the firing parts.

I understand, yes, everything can be rebuilt, however, the guy took too much pleasure in explaining that the original owner never wanted it fired again.

Clown.

Thats like sawing through a rare supercar because you've got a thing against the company who made it.
Only that cannon probably costs alot more than most rare cars, as its one of the only firing examples to survive the war.

If you prevented an idiot from destroying a piece of history, you'd probably gloat about that too.


And her reasoning was just stupid. Yes it's an instrument of war, but even in firing condition it will never be used in a war again, hell I'd probably say the chances of this thing ever killing someone again is super slim, and would bet that if it does it'll probably be because it miss fires or some idiot is in the way of the recoil.

Plus I think seeing this thing fire is more of a war deterrent then painting it pink or destroying it. I mean just imagine being an G.I. or in a tank heading straight at those things, it would be terrifying, and would make most people want to try a diplomatic solution. Also it reminds us of the soldiers who did go up against these when no diplomatic solution was possible.

Also I think the Nazis would of wanted it destroyed, instead of becoming a toy for their enemies. I would like to think that every time it's fired by an American the kraut that designed it would be rolling in his grave.
 
2014-04-13 09:26:24 PM

UNC_Samurai: vygramul: mr intrepid: vygramul: mr intrepid: 006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.

That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.

Have you seen how many different artillery pieces they made?

/In the meantime, the MG34 was on freaking EVERYTHING

Oh yeah. Once the Allied air forces started breaking up their supply chain, one wonders how much artillery and how many vehicles were sidelined for lack of specific ammunition and spare parts?

The Allies could have done a better job destroying the logistics net. Thankfully, they frequently listed rail yards as secondary targets, so they ALMOST got enough attention to really create a logistics disaster for the Germans. As it is, the Germans actually didn't suffer from shortages of materiel nearly as much as the reputation.

For example, literally everything Rommel ever asked for made it to Tripoli. That is, the Germans sent enough to account for Malta losses.

Allied air force generals always wanted to go after major industrial targets to hit production at the source, while close air support was a second priority, and interdiction a third. As it turned out, the effectiveness of WWII-era bombing went in the exact opposite order.


The air power weenies got it wrong then just as they got it wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The German flak batteries were 88mm.
 
2014-04-13 09:30:43 PM
Video keeps freezing right at the 6:38 point when the trigger is pulled :-P
 
2014-04-13 09:45:47 PM

Without Fail: Meh.

For real fun fill a rag with a big blob (several cups) of GAA (GREASE, AUTOMOTIVE AND ARTILLERY) and shove that into the breach in front of a 105mm tank round.

When you shoot it disperses like napalm and you get one of those huge fire-bursts like in the movies.

Range Tower: ALPHA TWO ONE DO YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE MALFUNCTION?
A21: Negative tower...
Range Tower: I better not see that shiat on this range again, is that clear?
A21: Affirmative tower...


On a 120mm you can take a roll of toilet paper, soak it in alcohol and stick it on the end of one of the HEAT rounds.  Goes downrange like a giant tracer.

It also generates similar tower traffic.
 
2014-04-13 09:51:30 PM

Katolu: It did a good job of settings someones car alarm off.


That's just a bonus.
 
2014-04-13 09:59:25 PM

vygramul: mr intrepid: vygramul: mr intrepid: 006andahalf: mr intrepid: I think was the same gun installed in Panthers and later MkIV's.

It was similar to the one fitted to the later MK-IV (variation in barrel lengths) but the Panther was fitted with the Kwk-43 L/70.

That's correct of course. Never ceased to amaze me how many different and incompatible weapons and vehicles the Germans fielded during the war.

Have you seen how many different artillery pieces they made?

/In the meantime, the MG34 was on freaking EVERYTHING

Oh yeah. Once the Allied air forces started breaking up their supply chain, one wonders how much artillery and how many vehicles were sidelined for lack of specific ammunition and spare parts?

The Allies could have done a better job destroying the logistics net. Thankfully, they frequently listed rail yards as secondary targets, so they ALMOST got enough attention to really create a logistics disaster for the Germans. As it is, the Germans actually didn't suffer from shortages of materiel nearly as much as the reputation.

For example, literally everything Rommel ever asked for made it to Tripoli. That is, the Germans sent enough to account for Malta losses.


Things DID get bad for the Germans after N. Africa, and they got especially bad after the latter part of '44.  They had arty batteries on the Ostfront restricted to five rounds a day at times; they'd have had trouble holding off the Czar's armies with that little ammunition, let alone guys with T34s.
 
2014-04-13 10:06:26 PM
Video of the only functioning Pak-40 (a WWII German anti-tank gun) in the United States being fired. The gun weighs over 3,000 lbs and fires a projectile that's almost three inches across

I feel protected already.
 
2014-04-13 10:07:55 PM

way south: tripleseven: The original owner should have sawed the barrel in two before selling it on.  Or otherwise destroyed the firing parts.

I understand, yes, everything can be rebuilt, however, the guy took too much pleasure in explaining that the original owner never wanted it fired again.

Clown.

Thats like sawing through a rare supercar because you've got a thing against the company who made it.
Only that cannon probably costs alot more than most rare cars, as its one of the only firing examples to survive the war.

If you prevented an idiot from destroying a piece of history, you'd probably gloat about that too.


Er..no, I don't give a shiat who made it, and likely the original owner didn't either.  Since she had made it a piece of art, she likely didn't want it capable of killing people again.

Had your analogy been "that's like sawing a super car in half because you believe speed kills"  Perhaps you'd shown you had a mind for analogies.
 
2014-04-13 10:08:55 PM

tjsands1118: way south: tripleseven: The original owner should have sawed the barrel in two before selling it on.  Or otherwise destroyed the firing parts.

I understand, yes, everything can be rebuilt, however, the guy took too much pleasure in explaining that the original owner never wanted it fired again.

Clown.

Thats like sawing through a rare supercar because you've got a thing against the company who made it.
Only that cannon probably costs alot more than most rare cars, as its one of the only firing examples to survive the war.

If you prevented an idiot from destroying a piece of history, you'd probably gloat about that too.

And her reasoning was just stupid. Yes it's an instrument of war, but even in firing condition it will never be used in a war again, hell I'd probably say the chances of this thing ever killing someone again is super slim, and would bet that if it does it'll probably be because it miss fires or some idiot is in the way of the recoil.

Plus I think seeing this thing fire is more of a war deterrent then painting it pink or destroying it. I mean just imagine being an G.I. or in a tank heading straight at those things, it would be terrifying, and would make most people want to try a diplomatic solution. Also it reminds us of the soldiers who did go up against these when no diplomatic solution was possible.

Also I think the Nazis would of wanted it destroyed, instead of becoming a toy for their enemies. I would like to think that every time it's fired by an American the kraut that designed it would be rolling in his grave.


"kraut"  WTF, you think this is 1942 or something?
 
2014-04-13 10:10:48 PM
Mack 10.

i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-13 10:18:09 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: Video of the only functioning Pak-40 (a WWII German anti-tank gun) in the United States being fired. The gun weighs over 3,000 lbs and fires a projectile that's almost three inches across

I feel protected already.


They're all heart.  Well maybe just 2.
 
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