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(NPR)   Is Iran finally getting on board with that whole 21st century thingy?   (npr.org ) divider line
    More: Interesting, Iran, Islamic Revolution, Hassan Rowhani, rapprochement, hardliners, Khamenei  
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2014-04-13 01:41:56 PM  

Persnickety: If they were smart, the Iranians would be cultivating a relationship with the US instead of going on about us being The Great Satan and such.


Which, the new president is doing. It's a start. A lot of the mullahs have started to notice which way the wind is blowing, and they're trying to shift towards a more moderate position (which will allow them to keep power and privilege- something that almost certainly won't happen if the public actively opposes them).
 
2014-04-13 01:44:57 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Lets see, the United States supported a dictator in Iran. Then, when Saddam Hussein launched an invasion of Iran, using weapons of mass destruction, the United States supported him. Iranians watched as he used mustard gas, nerve agents, and other chemical weapons on border towns, affecting men, women, and children.


I don't disagree with you that America has done a crapload of things wrong.  But one comment....when the militants from Iran took a group of Americans hostage, there was massive media coverage of the population of Iran screaming "death to America".....constantly on every news outlet for more than a year.

Unfortunately this played into decisions that led to other unfortunate events.  Not making any justification, but the hostage thing got everyone very angry.
 
2014-04-13 01:57:37 PM  

ristst: mutterfark: Arkanaut: cameroncrazy1984: What do you mean "finally"? Unless you mean their government. The population is pretty western-friendly.

That probably also depends on where you are. Tehran, maybe. Out in goat country, probably not so much.

//kinda like us
//except for the goat part

Sounds a little like the red and blue divide in America.

Iran has the Morality Police.

We have the Tea Party, who would likely be fine with establishing the Morality Police here.


As pointed out to me above, it's a matter degree. Life in America is not comparable to life in Iran. We have it  muchbetter. I would agree with the idea that it doesn't mean we should condone idiocy, or fail to point it out..

/ok, you can all stop pointing now ;p
 
2014-04-13 01:57:51 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Persnickety: If they were smart, the Iranians would be cultivating a relationship with the US instead of going on about us being The Great Satan and such.

Lets see, the United States supported a dictator in Iran. Then, when Saddam Hussein launched an invasion of Iran, using weapons of mass destruction, the United States supported him. Iranians watched as he used mustard gas, nerve agents, and other chemical weapons on border towns, affecting men, women, and children. Then, a president got up on the world stage and proclaimed Iran part of an "axis of evil" while launching military invasions into countries on both the eastern and western borders. They've been hit with crippling sanctions while trying to develop a nuclear power program that they see as their national right under the Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. The United States made a complete mess out of the Iraq War, and then, in the ironic statement of the century, screamed about Iranian "foreign interference" in Iraq as if they have no interest on what happens on the other side of their border.

Iran isn't blameless in this, and they've done many, many things wrong. But it's not like the US has rolled out the welcome mat here.


So you're saying that except for the coup over 60 years ago, America has had no direct involvement in Iran?  Gee, no wonder the hate us.  70 years ago we we're bombing the ever living shiat out of Germany and Japan.

Besides, I'm not saying we're ever going to be best buds.  Politics makes strange bedfellows.  I'm saying we're a better option than their immediate neighbors who have actively hated them for centuries, are hopelessly backward or are actively aggressive.
 
2014-04-13 02:25:40 PM  

SurelyShirley: ohsoferrety: [img.xcitefun.net image 500x346]

Meanwhile, at the beach...

[i60.tinypic.com image 463x356]


It's a nice illustration of false equivalence, I suppose.
 
2014-04-13 03:01:39 PM  
I was born after the Iranian hostage crisis, so I've never lived through anything (that I'm aware of) that would engender any hostility in me towards Iran. Quite the opposite: I love Iranian food, traditional Persian music (santoor, kamanche, and setar are absolutely beautiful instruments), and the ancient history buff in me reveres Iran on the same level as Egypt, Greece, and Mesopotamia. Frankly, I'm really hoping relations open up between our countries sometime in my lifetime, as I would love to go there as a tourist without having to worry.

Having studied a bit about why we have the relationship with Iran that we currently do, I can't say I blame the Iranians, either. Sure, the hostage crisis and terrorism are to be condemned, but we started the whole mess. And just like most of out involvement in that area of the world, it all goes back to our government, and the rich backers thereof, wanting to deprive the populace of control of their natural petroleum resources. So I give a hearty "Fark you!" to BP and the rest of the oil companies for ruining my ability to safely visit a culture I have a deep respect for and interest in.
 
2014-04-13 03:05:18 PM  
Time to beat on all you pro-westerners, goodie two shoes, liberals, feminists, and allah forbid, anyone who wants to vote for a democratically elected government representing the will of the people. Signed CPT Big Stick of the Basij  volunteer militia.
 
2014-04-13 04:17:14 PM  
Should actually be known as the Madonna Counter Revolution.

And that's how many oppressive governments have been overthrown. Pop music, Internet, Movies, High Tech, and time.
 
2014-04-13 05:56:18 PM  

fjnorton: You mean they were doing well till we made them stormed our embassy and support terrorism?

//troll on


This level of ignorance ...

Read up on the  Iran Coup 1953, where the CIA and British forces overthrew Iran's democratically elected president.
 
2014-04-14 01:13:24 AM  
Are there ski slopes in Iran? (Wow.) I could believe sand dunes for sure.
 
2014-04-14 12:00:39 PM  

memebot_of_doom: fjnorton: You mean they were doing well till we made them stormed our embassy and support terrorism?

//troll on

This level of ignorance ...

Read up on the  Iran Coup 1953, where the CIA and British forces overthrew Iran's democratically elected president.


Actually he was the Prime Minister, a position he wasn't elected to. He was named PM by the Parliament.
I mean, I wouldn't have said anything, because the guy WAS pretty popular... but it's right there in your link and you were calling him ignorant and all that.
 
2014-04-14 12:34:12 PM  

SurelyShirley: ohsoferrety: [img.xcitefun.net image 500x346]

Meanwhile, at the beach...

[i60.tinypic.com image 463x356]


I must have missed the memo that requires western women to wear bikinis and sunglasses.
 
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