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(io9)   ...and then there was that time the CIA and Howard Hughes tried to steal a Soviet submarine   (io9.com) divider line 73
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2014-04-13 01:35:39 AM  
www.wearysloth.com

Amateurs.....
 
2014-04-13 01:53:01 AM  
"Steal" is such an ugly term. And remember the Law of Salvage....
 
2014-04-13 02:48:53 AM  
...one ping only, Vasily!
 
2014-04-13 03:53:57 AM  
Done in one
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-04-13 07:16:40 AM  
Slow news day?  Writing stories from the archive?  Too damn lazy to do real work?

Old news is really old.  This story has been published many, many time.
 
2014-04-13 07:59:57 AM  
Lemme guess...Glomar Explorer. *click* yep.

This story crops up every generation of writers. My dad used to work for a guy who worked on it. That's about all he could say about it at the time.
 
2014-04-13 09:08:23 AM  
Yup, no new news, but it gets dredged up each year.
 
2014-04-13 09:26:14 AM  
One of our submarines is missing...

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-13 09:26:23 AM  

dramboxf: "Steal" is such an ugly term. And remember the Law of Salvage....


Inuentoribus Custodes.
 
2014-04-13 09:32:23 AM  
Well they stole a 1/2 to 2/3rds of a Soviet submarine.
 
2014-04-13 09:33:06 AM  
You can't steal a wrecked ship.  Finders keepers.
 
2014-04-13 09:36:00 AM  

NFA: Slow news day?  Writing stories from the archive?  Too damn lazy to do real work?

Old news is really old.  This story has been published many, many time.


Like, when it happened old. The whole thing was so transparent nobody bought the cover story for a minute.
 
2014-04-13 09:37:12 AM  

enry: Lemme guess...Glomar Explorer. *click* yep.

This story crops up every generation of writers. My dad used to work for a guy who worked on it. That's about all he could say about it at the time.


Well, it is an interesting story the first time you read it.
 
2014-04-13 09:37:35 AM  
The question remains whether the sub died trying to fire one of those SS-N-5s.
 
2014-04-13 09:38:41 AM  
It was an impressively large ship, though

/drove past it often when it was anchored at Suisun
 
2014-04-13 09:39:19 AM  

NFA: Slow news day?  Writing stories from the archive?  Too damn lazy to do real work?

Old news is really old.  This story has been published many, many time.


It's not old, it's "Retro" news

/Hipsters love this shiat
//And people with Alzheimers
 
2014-04-13 09:40:04 AM  
This story is old news. Why are people constantly interested in things that happened more than a moment ago? Sure, there was some recently released information to fill some gaps in the record, and it was an event that occurred in the throws of the Cold War which is ever fascinating, but really, once I hear a story it is old news and really it must be assumed that every single person in the world is aware of it already. All it takes is one thread like this and it opens the doors for all kinds of talk about the past, and history. Who the Fark wants that kind of information and conversation in a thread?
 
2014-04-13 09:40:50 AM  

MajorTubeSteak: It's not old, it's "Retro" news

/Hipsters love this shiat
//And people with Alzheimers


It's 'new' to them!
 
2014-04-13 09:42:05 AM  
Next thing you know someone will bring up WWII! As if that story didn't break long ago.
 
2014-04-13 09:45:02 AM  

TheOther: MajorTubeSteak: It's not old, it's "Retro" news

/Hipsters love this shiat
//And people with Alzheimers

It's 'new' to them!


That's what I'm looking forward to when I get ye olde n grey.

Gonna buy my one, and only ONE George Carlin Standup DVD. Cuz, that's all I need.  It's farking hilarious and fresh for the rest of my life!
 
2014-04-13 09:45:43 AM  
I read a book by an ex secret submarine service (navy) that ridiculed the cia for wasting so much money and resources on this stupid program. No useful Intel was gained. The Soviet sub was already old when it sunk and had nothing we needed to know. Meanwhile other productive covert operations suffered or were cancelled because this stupid program sucked up so much of the black budget. Pure idiotic folly. I'll try to find the name of that book and post it later in this thread. Am amazing history of black submarine ops
 
2014-04-13 09:47:22 AM  

rudemix: Next thing you know someone will bring up WWII! As if that story didn't break long ago.


WWII? That's that Web 2.0 thingy, right? Yeah, old news.
 
2014-04-13 09:47:29 AM  
When I was at university there were whole departments, and sub departments dedicated to "history", which really is just rehashing of old, tired news stories. Professors be like 'today we're going to talk about pre-revolutionary industry in the Americas' and I was like 'dude, this came out int the Ye Olde Boston Cryer in like 1798, this is old news."

Talking all about the Punic Wars and I'm like 'whoa, slow down partner! Didn't everyone read about this in the Forvm Jovrnal and Constitvtion back in the BC era? Why do people continue to find stories from the past interesting to the continual dismay of this random, nobody farker?
 
2014-04-13 09:50:59 AM  
Dirk Pitt not impressed
 
2014-04-13 09:51:29 AM  

enry: Lemme guess...Glomar Explorer. *click* yep.

This story crops up every generation of writers. My dad used to work for a guy who worked on it. That's about all he could say about it at the time.


I remember that thing being parked at Long Beach for several years. We used to go to Santa Catalina a few times a year just to snorkel and such and the ferry went right past it. The ship has been refitted and is still in use. Maritime Traffic puts it's current location at Latitude 16.08348, Longitude 82.23502, about 100 Nm due south of the port at Kakinada, India.

This is what it looks like now.
 
2014-04-13 09:59:48 AM  
What I enjoyed most here was the part where the CIA reasoned that because Hughes was insane, he was a perfect front for attempting something insane.
 
2014-04-13 10:01:53 AM  
*I* handled the crypto communications for Global Marine in El Segundo....You entered on one floor (the fake facade), then climbed internal stairs to the real op center since the elevator did not even have a button for it.

I still have a "manganese nodual" in a lucite cube from the fake front office.

/Former NSA with a Top Secret Clearance
//Model 28 Teletype for the win
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-13 10:11:19 AM  
 
2014-04-13 10:20:43 AM  
What a half-submerged Golf may look like.

auto-fail.com
 
2014-04-13 10:21:01 AM  
It is a shame there are so few successful old stories of CIA shenanigans.
 
2014-04-13 10:21:23 AM  

enry: Lemme guess...Glomar Explorer. *click* yep.


This. Read about this in the 1980s
 
2014-04-13 10:22:23 AM  

MarkMartinFan: *I* handled the crypto communications for Global Marine in El Segundo....You entered on one floor (the fake facade), then climbed internal stairs to the real op center since the elevator did not even have a button for it.

I still have a "manganese nodual" in a lucite cube from the fake front office.

/Former NSA with a Top Secret Clearance
//Model 28 Teletype for the win
[img.fark.net image 844x960]


Heh... I remember seeing stories about those and how they were scattered all over the sea floor

/it was a pretty effective bullsh*t campaign cover story
//I briefly wondered how that could ever be profitable and promptly went back to expecting to get nuked any day
 
2014-04-13 10:30:29 AM  
I thought that was SHIELD and Howard Stark?
 
2014-04-13 10:34:01 AM  

dramboxf: "Steal" is such an ugly term. And remember the Law of Salvage....


Not a military vessel with the bodies of sailor on board.

We sent the Soviets a video of recovered sailors being given a honorable burial at see.
 
2014-04-13 10:38:12 AM  

TheOther: MajorTubeSteak: It's not old, it's "Retro" news

/Hipsters love this shiat
//And people with Alzheimers

It's 'new' to them!


STOP PICKING ON GLOMAR EXPLORER!
 
2014-04-13 10:38:27 AM  
This is a good story, but Operation Ivy Bells was way more ballsy IMO.
 
2014-04-13 10:38:40 AM  

SDRR: WireFire2: You can't steal a wrecked ship.  Finders keepers.

But apparently you can steal a wrecked ship's cargo. Even if it's 400+ years old.


I had somehow missed how the court cases ended - thanks for posting the link.
 
2014-04-13 10:40:08 AM  
Is anyone else here a Charles Stross fan who loved that this stuff was central to the plot of "The Jennifer Morgue"?
 
2014-04-13 10:41:09 AM  

MarkMartinFan: *I* handled the crypto communications for Global Marine in El Segundo....You entered on one floor (the fake facade), then climbed internal stairs to the real op center since the elevator did not even have a button for it.

I still have a "manganese nodual" in a lucite cube from the fake front office.

/Former NSA with a Top Secret Clearance
//Model 28 Teletype for the win
[img.fark.net image 844x960]



So does red tape and politics permeate into the spook agencies, or are they unencumbered to do their jobs without the BS?
 
2014-04-13 10:45:39 AM  

WelldeadLink: TheOther: MajorTubeSteak: It's not old, it's "Retro" news

/Hipsters love this shiat
//And people with Alzheimers

It's 'new' to them!

STOP PICKING ON GLOMAR EXPLORER!


i30.photobucket.com

:o)
 
2014-04-13 10:52:14 AM  
Article left out the part where the sub was being raised, on its side, while the crew of the Explorer watched on CCTV and one of the nuclear missiles came loose and slid out of its tube and headed down to the bottom of the sea floor.

That must have been an interesting few minutes....
 
2014-04-13 10:53:20 AM  

snocone: It is a shame there are so few successful old stories of CIA shenanigans.


If we heard about it, it wasn't successful....
 
2014-04-13 10:57:45 AM  

No Such Agency: Is anyone else here a Charles Stross fan who loved that this stuff was central to the plot of "The Jennifer Morgue"?


Yep.

Stross is awesome. A straight stand-up dude.
 
2014-04-13 11:02:40 AM  
"Manganese nodules"

/as you were
 
2014-04-13 11:21:03 AM  
 
2014-04-13 11:38:11 AM  

Anschauer: "Manganese nodules"

/as you were


Chinch Bugs.

The GE spent years anchored in the San Francisco Bay.
 
2014-04-13 11:38:53 AM  
There was another book published back in the 70s that was written by on of the civilians on board and he claimed they recovered the entire sub. He also said there was a second Soviet sub recovered between Greenland and Canada. When Ballard found the Titanic this was supposedly what he was actually doing but couldn't "find" because it had been raised 2 decades before. The navy then let him go find the Titanic which seems odd if you're looking for something and you don't find it then you'd normally keep looking.

Warships are never salvageable under maritime law and there is a galleon off the coast of Colombia with over a billion dollars in gold. They've recovered artifacts from it proving they have the location but are unable to come to terms on the split with the government so there it stays.
 
2014-04-13 11:54:29 AM  

dramboxf: "Steal" is such an ugly term. And remember the Law of Salvage....


Interestingly, the laws of salvage don't apply to navy vessels, no matter how long ago they were sunk.  This is why the UK was able to claim a ship full of silver ingots sunk during WWII and why the Spanish are fighting with an American company over a shipload of gold which more likely came off a Spain galleon sunk in the late 1600s.

Our plans for the Soviet sub kinda skirted this, as we never intended to salvage it, only mine it for information, remove its nukes and return it to the bottom of the ocean.  We even gave the remains which were found a proper burial at sea.
 
2014-04-13 12:00:19 PM  

Loren: The question remains whether the sub died trying to fire one of those SS-N-5s.


Only a amount the tinfoil headware crowd. Anyone who knows anything about diesel boats will tell you the explanation begins and ends with a battery exploding during charging. The craft was on the surface (as evidenced by at least one crew member's body in raingear.) The US Navy had gotten so good at tracking their boats by their radio traffic that we knew it was missing almost immediately. And because the US had listening gear all over the Pacific, they knew where the sub was.

/"Blind Man's Bluff" is an excellent read if you find the antics of the Submarines of both Superpowers interesting
 
2014-04-13 12:00:32 PM  
And then there was that time that Howard Hughes was driven to peeing-in-jars madness due to the sheer volume of covert agents assigned to track his activities 24/7/365.

/is there anything the NSA/CIA/FBI hasn't ruined?
 
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