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(Science Magazine)   In New York City, 22 year old Measles Mary contracted measles and passed it along to four others. Difficulty: all five of these people should have been immune. Measles Mary and two of the others had actually been vaccinated   (news.sciencemag.org) divider line 201
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2014-04-12 08:28:45 PM  
Omfg. Vaccinations don't mean immunity. They mean reaistance. All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria that is one day going to kill us all.
 
2014-04-12 08:41:45 PM  
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT STATISTICS....

i52.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-12 08:55:17 PM  
Suck it herd people. Why have the vaccines if you can still get the disease?
 
2014-04-12 09:13:37 PM  

we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria


Please proceed.
 
2014-04-12 09:23:56 PM  

Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.


Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.
 
2014-04-12 09:34:50 PM  
I assume the the sheer volume of citations for these claims is just too unwieldy to post all at once.
 
2014-04-12 09:37:14 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.

Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.


*WHOOSH*
 
2014-04-12 09:47:52 PM  
I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.
 
2014-04-12 09:54:51 PM  

Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.


It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.
 
2014-04-12 09:57:41 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.


Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.
 
2014-04-12 10:10:49 PM  

Ambivalence: JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.

Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.


Eh, birthcontrol wasn't so available and there were always  few extra kids around.
 
2014-04-12 10:29:51 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Suck it herd people. Why have the vaccines if you can still get the disease?


Because as they pointed out in the article, she was an outlier, not a common case.  All it means is you may need a booster shot again later in life.  And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.
 
2014-04-12 10:32:27 PM  

Ambivalence: JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.

Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.


Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.
 
2014-04-12 10:33:18 PM  

Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.


I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.
 
2014-04-12 10:34:01 PM  

Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.


Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?
 
2014-04-12 10:39:47 PM  

Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.
 
2014-04-12 10:53:26 PM  

Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.


It was rare, but it did happen.  That is why now (that they have a vaccine) they're telling parents not to have chicken pox parties anymore because the vaccine is safer than contracting the disease.  Any disease can have complications, sometimes fatal.
 
2014-04-12 10:54:34 PM  

Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.


Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.
 
2014-04-12 11:00:35 PM  

Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.


Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?
 
2014-04-12 11:05:37 PM  

Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.


Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).
 
2014-04-12 11:06:14 PM  
Fark vaccinations, antibiotics and all that sciency bullshiat. If you die then you were probably possessed by demons and God put you in your place.
 
2014-04-12 11:07:57 PM  

Frederick: Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.

Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.
 
2014-04-12 11:08:37 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.


I've been reading 1920s Popular Mechanics. Everyone could go out and buy a box of dynamite, white lead, and pound of carbide for making acetylene.
 
2014-04-12 11:09:43 PM  

Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.


I was pre-chicken pox vaccine too. One of my classmates got chicken pox in her throat and on the insides of her eyelids. She spent several weeks in the hospital for it.

One of my mother's college friend's husband got chicken pox when he was forty. It nearly killed him and he spent 3 months in the hospital from it.
 
2014-04-12 11:12:51 PM  

Frederick: Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.

Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


If you don't understand how he answered the question, you  are an idiot.
 
2014-04-12 11:12:59 PM  

LordJiro: And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.


No, I got the point.  I wasnt interested in his point.  I was interested in an answer to the question.
 
2014-04-12 11:13:22 PM  
 Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.
 
2014-04-12 11:13:36 PM  

Ambivalence: Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.

It was rare, but it did happen.  That is why now (that they have a vaccine) they're telling parents not to have chicken pox parties anymore because the vaccine is safer than contracting the disease.  Any disease can have complications, sometimes fatal.


As of the 90s, when it wasn't mandated but had been around for 20 years, you got around 184 deaths a year.  Kid population was around 42 million.  I'll let you decide if that counts as "rare enough" yourself.
 
2014-04-12 11:14:29 PM  
And I farked up the first link; 184 deaths.
 
2014-04-12 11:15:30 PM  
Well, crap.
 
2014-04-12 11:16:10 PM  

Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.


Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!
 
2014-04-12 11:16:25 PM  

we'refromthesamestory: Omfg. Vaccinations don't mean immunity. They mean reaistance. All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria that is one day going to kill us all.


Résistance is futile.
 
2014-04-12 11:16:28 PM  
I'll just put this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZ QvuCo&app=desktop
 
2014-04-12 11:18:45 PM  
Vaccinations don't make you immune to a disease, with very specific exceptions to this. Film at 11.
 
2014-04-12 11:18:52 PM  

TheBigJerk: And I farked up the first link; 184 deaths.


Out of 4 million.
 
2014-04-12 11:19:34 PM  

TheBigJerk: And I farked up the first link; 184 deaths.


And now they're down to less than 66 deaths a year since the vaccine.  I'd say we're improving, if only by a little.
 
2014-04-12 11:20:27 PM  
All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.
 
2014-04-12 11:20:59 PM  

Frederick: Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).


Jesus Christ, what do you work for Fox news?  "No one I knew ever died of measels."

According to wikipedia the moratlity rate for measels is approx 3 per 1000 cases.

Whooping cough: (also wikipedia) "It is currently estimated that the disease annually affects 48.5 million people worldwide, resulting in nearly 295,000 deaths"

Chicken pox: (CDC website, referring to pre-vaccination days) "In the early 1990s, an average of 4 million people got chickenpox, 10,500 to 13,000 were hospitalized (range, 8,000 to 18,000), and 100 to 150 died each year."

It doesn't sound like many, until it's your kid or family member.
 
2014-04-12 11:21:22 PM  
I was vaccinated for both kinds of measles as a kid and caught both anyway. Both were really mild cases. In one case I didn't have any symptoms at all other than a mild rash, and it didn't itch or anything. I felt fine but didn't have to go to school. I think I got to eat pancakes and watch TV. It was my favorite sickness of all time, except for maybe GWAR.
 
2014-04-12 11:22:10 PM  

jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.


That - and my aunt lost vision in one eye from it.
 
2014-04-12 11:22:19 PM  
Not getting vaccinated is like driving drunk: you think you're safe, but you endanger yourself and everyone around you. Unfortunately, only one of these is illegal.
 
2014-04-12 11:22:52 PM  

brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!


Meh, they have a vaccine now!
 
2014-04-12 11:23:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-12 11:23:46 PM  

brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!


My parents get sometimes quite nasty outbreaks of shingles.

Glad my generation had chicken pox vaccine, versus having to deal with THAT in my old age.
 
2014-04-12 11:24:19 PM  

Frederick: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).


Well, here's a story where a kid did die:

"Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy, " she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead."

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.

That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.


~Roald Dahl

But hey...

On one side we have almost every single doctor, immunologist and epidemiologist in the world, with millions of collective years of experience and studies involving millions upon millions of adults and children from countries across the globe, spanning decades and in some cases looking at every person in the countries population in decades long experiments.

On the other side we have a former playboy centerfold with a high school education and a tiny, misquoted, and flawed study that didn't even claim to link the MMR vaccine to autism.

Welp - too tough to choose, better risk Junior getting killed by an easily preventable illness than opt for vaccination.
 
2014-04-12 11:26:35 PM  

Frederick: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).


Are you farking insane? Measles results in a 1:1000 case chance of being permanently disabled secondary to measles encephalopathy. If we stopped vaccinating, 2.7  Million children would die a year. Rate of death is 1:4500
 
2014-04-12 11:26:53 PM  

LordJiro: Frederick: Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.

Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.


meh, it's like cutting out a cancer. you gotta get some of the good to make damn sure you got all the bad.
 
2014-04-12 11:27:12 PM  

jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.


Good farking Christ, there wasn't a vaccine for it when we were kids, and getting chickenpox as an adult for the first time is far worse than getting a case of shingles after you've already have chickenpox as a kid.  Sure, getting a vaccine is infinitely preferable, but since it wasn't available, pox parties were the best option.  Bonus?  You can still get the vaccine today even if you had chickenpox as a kid.
 
2014-04-12 11:27:35 PM  

27B-6: Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.


Is that a test commonly covered by insurance?
 
2014-04-12 11:28:40 PM  

i1089.photobucket.com

 
2014-04-12 11:29:55 PM  

Target Builder: Frederick: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).

Well, here's a story where a kid did die:


An example from 1962.  And how does that compare to automobile related deaths of children which was the point of the post you replied to?

Shall we compare automobile related children deaths to measles related childrens deaths?

/context -what is it?
 
2014-04-12 11:30:37 PM  

RoyBatty: Is that a test commonly covered by insurance?


If you work in a clinical setting where the are shingles patients, or there is an expectation of exposure to chickenpox, then your employer should cover it.

Out of pocket, the Varicella Titer test costs about 300 bucks locally.
 
2014-04-12 11:31:09 PM  

Frederick: LordJiro: And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.

No, I got the point.  I wasnt interested in his point.  I was interested in an answer to the question.


"He answered the question, but I want him to answer the question!"
 
2014-04-12 11:31:25 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.

Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.


Retard or troll.  <notsure.gif>
 
2014-04-12 11:31:28 PM  

Lsherm: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Good farking Christ, there wasn't a vaccine for it when we were kids, and getting chickenpox as an adult for the first time is far worse than getting a case of shingles after you've already have chickenpox as a kid.  Sure, getting a vaccine is infinitely preferable, but since it wasn't available, pox parties were the best option.  Bonus?  You can still get the vaccine today even if you had chickenpox as a kid.


Ya they had limited information, now we know better.. yet all of the idiots are using "well it didn't kill me" as a way to blow off the importance of vaccinations. And they aren't just effecting themselves and their kids, they are putting every single person at risk of preventable illnesses that can lead to long term complications and death. And since they are such smart, brave, strong people who didn't die from chicken pox it's unlikely they would bother with a shingles vaccines either.

Then.. karma hits.
 
2014-04-12 11:31:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: Frederick: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).

Are you farking insane? Measles results in a 1:1000 case chance of being permanently disabled secondary to measles encephalopathy. If we stopped vaccinating, 2.7  Million children would die a year. Rate of death is 1:4500


You missed the point.  Again context.
 
2014-04-12 11:32:50 PM  

Ambivalence: Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.

It was rare, but it did happen.  That is why now (that they have a vaccine) they're telling parents not to have chicken pox parties anymore because the vaccine is safer than contracting the disease.  Any disease can have complications, sometimes fatal.


You mean that a malicious bit of genetic code in the bloodstream which has symptomatic presentation in the form of skin pustules could be bad for the genetic crapshoot that is human life?

Who knew!!
 
2014-04-12 11:33:03 PM  

MadAzza: Frederick: LordJiro: And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.

No, I got the point.  I wasnt interested in his point.  I was interested in an answer to the question.

"He answered the question, but I want him to answer the question!"


It was a "yes" or "no" question.  Does that confuse you?
 
2014-04-12 11:33:31 PM  

Frederick: An example from 1962.  And how does that compare to automobile related deaths of children which was the point of the post you replied to?

Shall we compare automobile related children deaths to measles related childrens deaths?

/context -what is it?


Let's also compare apples to the 120mm APFSDS shell from the M1A2 Abrams MBT. It'll be totally relevant derp!

Measles kills horribly. One of it's most heartwrenching ways is Measles Encephalopathy.

It also predisposes children to massive secondary infection.
 
2014-04-12 11:34:34 PM  

Frederick: You missed the point.  Again context


You said you didn't know measles could kill. This was shown to be factually incorrect. Do you have anything more to add to this?
 
2014-04-12 11:34:47 PM  

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 620x156]


I had a friend that told me when he was little he wasn't taking off to well. His parents renamed him and then he did fine.
 
2014-04-12 11:35:46 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: JoieD'Zen: Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.

Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.

*WHOOSH*


ALL Diseases! Do you hear? These viral immunizations of antibiotics lower our resistance to super cancer!
 
2014-04-12 11:36:28 PM  

jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.


Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.
 
2014-04-12 11:36:49 PM  

vincentfox: brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!

My parents get sometimes quite nasty outbreaks of shingles.

Glad my generation had chicken pox vaccine, versus having to deal with THAT in my old age.



You can still get it.  Sleep tight.
 
2014-04-12 11:37:37 PM  

Alicious: Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine too. One of my classmates got chicken pox in her throat and on the insides of her eyelids. She spent several weeks in the hospital for it.

One of my mother's college friend's husband got chicken pox when he was forty. It nearly killed him and he spent 3 months in the hospital from it.


Mick Jones, guitarist for the Clash, nearly died from chicken pox as an adult.
 
2014-04-12 11:37:43 PM  

shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.


You have no idea what shingles is, do you?

/Hint: it's caused by the chicken pox virus.
 
2014-04-12 11:38:02 PM  

vincentfox: brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!

My parents get sometimes quite nasty outbreaks of shingles.

Glad my generation had chicken pox vaccine, versus having to deal with THAT in my old age.


Guess what. You can still get shingles!
 
2014-04-12 11:38:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: Frederick: You missed the point.  Again context

You said you didn't know measles could kill.


No I didnt.

Frederick:
Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).
 
2014-04-12 11:38:18 PM  

Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.


It might not if the kids aborted so the parents can afford a car to get to their jobs.
 
2014-04-12 11:38:42 PM  

shtychkn: You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.


Shingles is caused by latent herpesvirus infection in nerve roots that suddenly becomes active. Chicken Pox is the most common mechanism for it. HSV-1 and HSV-2 infection, such as herpes encephalitis or systemic herpes sepsis, or severe genital herpes can also cause it, they're just less common.
 
2014-04-12 11:39:16 PM  

Frederick: MadAzza: Frederick: LordJiro: And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.

No, I got the point.  I wasnt interested in his point.  I was interested in an answer to the question.

"He answered the question, but I want him to answer the question!"

It was a "yes" or "no" question.  Does that confuse you?


I'm not the one who's confused, Sugar Balls. Your question has been answered, by the OP and several others. Take off the blinders and read them again.
 
2014-04-12 11:39:21 PM  

jmcgeathy: Ya they had limited information, now we know better.. yet all of the idiots are using "well it didn't kill me" as a way to blow off the importance of vaccinations. And they aren't just effecting themselves and their kids, they are putting every single person at risk of preventable illnesses that can lead to long term complications and death. And since they are such smart, brave, strong people who didn't die from chicken pox it's unlikely they would bother with a shingles vaccines either.

Then.. karma hits.


I don't think anyone was using "it didn't kill me" as a reason to not get vaccinations.  If I was giving off that vibe, my apologies.  I was poorly pointing out that if chickenpox didn't kill the 12 kids in my neighborhood growing up that a vaccine certainly wasn't going to do anything worse.  Or that chicken pox really wasn't that horrible (but it was).
 
2014-04-12 11:39:39 PM  
Frederick: Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).

Backtrack or troll. Which is it?
 
2014-04-12 11:39:49 PM  

Triumph: ecmoRandomNumbers: JoieD'Zen: Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.

Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.

*WHOOSH*

ALL Diseases! Do you hear? These viral immunizations of antibiotics lower our resistance to super cancer!


Yep, every last motherf*cki'n one of 'em.
ALL
OF
THEM
 
2014-04-12 11:39:56 PM  

shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.


http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/shingles-chickenpox

"Research begun in the 1950s has shown that when we recover from childhood chickenpox infections, the virus that causes the infection, varicella zoster virus, remains latent in nerve cells.
What causes reactivation of the virus is unclear, but as we age, experts believe the immune responses that keep varicella zoster virus dormant in the nerves weaken with age. One in three people will get shingles during their lifetime, and at least half of all people 85 and older have had the ailment."

and

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/default.h tm
Shingles Overview
Shingles, or herpes zoster, is a viral infection caused by the chickenpox virus


If they get shingles and didn't previously get chicken pox, they actually caught chicken pox and it presented as shingles. It's the same virus. So.. get your vaccines kids.
 
2014-04-12 11:40:05 PM  

shtychkn: Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.



Herpes are like assholes: everyone has (at least) one (kind).

At least humans can't die of it. Elephant herpes is like the worst thing ever.
 
2014-04-12 11:41:42 PM  

yukichigai: shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.

You have no idea what shingles is, do you?

/Hint: it's caused by the chicken pox virus.


It's caused by any herpes virus, not just herpes zoster.
 
2014-04-12 11:42:18 PM  
22 huh?

Did she get the recommended booster?
 
2014-04-12 11:42:34 PM  

doglover: At least humans can't die of it.


Oh yes they can. Neonatal herpes leads to herpes sepsis and herpes encephalopathy.

And you don't want to know what happens if you're immunocompromised. Hint: Multisystem Organ Failure.
 
2014-04-12 11:43:03 PM  

MadAzza: yukichigai: shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.

You have no idea what shingles is, do you?

/Hint: it's caused by the chicken pox virus.

It's caused by any herpes virus, not just herpes zoster.


Herpes zoster can show up in the eye as well.
 
2014-04-12 11:44:41 PM  

Lsherm: JoieD'Zen: Suck it herd people. Why have the vaccines if you can still get the disease?

Because as they pointed out in the article, she was an outlier, not a common case.  All it means is you may need a booster shot again later in life.  And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.


The need for measles boosters has been known since at least 1978 when I got my measles booster at the age of 15. Duh.
 
2014-04-12 11:45:08 PM  

Target Builder: On one side we have almost every single doctor, immunologist and epidemiologist in the world, with millions of collective years of experience


fark all your mother farkers weez got hotdogs yo

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2014-04-12 11:45:11 PM  

JoieD'Zen: MadAzza: yukichigai: shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.

You have no idea what shingles is, do you?

/Hint: it's caused by the chicken pox virus.

It's caused by any herpes virus, not just herpes zoster.

Herpes zoster can show up in the eye as well.


Yes, it can. My ex-husband gets occasional bouts of eye herpes. The only place he had it. It was extremely painful.
 
2014-04-12 11:47:22 PM  

Lsherm: jmcgeathy: Ya they had limited information, now we know better.. yet all of the idiots are using "well it didn't kill me" as a way to blow off the importance of vaccinations. And they aren't just effecting themselves and their kids, they are putting every single person at risk of preventable illnesses that can lead to long term complications and death. And since they are such smart, brave, strong people who didn't die from chicken pox it's unlikely they would bother with a shingles vaccines either.

Then.. karma hits.

I don't think anyone was using "it didn't kill me" as a reason to not get vaccinations.  If I was giving off that vibe, my apologies.  I was poorly pointing out that if chickenpox didn't kill the 12 kids in my neighborhood growing up that a vaccine certainly wasn't going to do anything worse.  Or that chicken pox really wasn't that horrible (but it was).


Naw, you were more downplaying the seriousness of chickenpox, which on it's own is for most people an annoyance.. until they get shingles. I've seen that put men on their knees crying for Vicodin. It sucks.

Frederick has been the main "stop being pussies, it's didn't kill me" anti vaccine troll in the thread. Most of this is directed in that direction. :)
 
2014-04-12 11:47:27 PM  

0z79: You mean that a malicious bit of genetic code in the bloodstream which has symptomatic presentation in the form of skin pustules could be bad for the genetic crapshoot that is human life?

Who knew!!


What is it, 40% of the human genome is derived from viruses? (took a biology class last semester).  I always wondered what kind of stuff they left behind.  What virus can account for the oddities of human existance? Or pretty much any animal existance (viruses get around).
 
2014-04-12 11:47:49 PM  

MadAzza: yukichigai: shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.

You have no idea what shingles is, do you?

/Hint: it's caused by the chicken pox virus.

It's caused by any herpes virus, not just herpes zoster.


Shingles by definition is caused by the zoster virus.  If it's not zoster it's not shingles, regardless of symptoms.
 
2014-04-12 11:48:11 PM  

MadAzza: JoieD'Zen: MadAzza: yukichigai: shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.

You have no idea what shingles is, do you?

/Hint: it's caused by the chicken pox virus.

It's caused by any herpes virus, not just herpes zoster.

Herpes zoster can show up in the eye as well.

Yes, it can. My ex-husband gets occasional bouts of eye herpes. The only place he had it. It was extremely painful.


I really didn't need to know about eye herpes :\
 
2014-04-12 11:49:19 PM  
All we know for sure is that vaccination enthusiasts are some very angry posters on FARK. Must be from getting stuck with needles all the time.
 
2014-04-12 11:49:25 PM  

RoyBatty: 27B-6: Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.

Is that a test commonly covered by insurance


Many plans will cover titers. It's way cheaper for them to make sure everyone is actually immune than to pay for your treatment when you get sick.
 
2014-04-12 11:49:45 PM  
Meh, boosters are made for a reason, too bad no one thinks to get them.
 
2014-04-12 11:50:23 PM  

doglover: Elephant herpes is like the worst thing ever.


This was one of those times when I was hoping google wouldn't return any images..
 
2014-04-12 11:50:43 PM  

StokeyBob: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

It might not if the kids aborted so the parents can afford a car to get to their jobs.


Sometimes I wish I could encapsulate my look of extreme incredulity into an emoticon but I can't.

Go to bed, stokey, you're drunk.
 
2014-04-12 11:51:03 PM  

jmcgeathy: Lsherm: jmcgeathy: Ya they had limited information, now we know better.. yet all of the idiots are using "well it didn't kill me" as a way to blow off the importance of vaccinations. And they aren't just effecting themselves and their kids, they are putting every single person at risk of preventable illnesses that can lead to long term complications and death. And since they are such smart, brave, strong people who didn't die from chicken pox it's unlikely they would bother with a shingles vaccines either.

Then.. karma hits.

I don't think anyone was using "it didn't kill me" as a reason to not get vaccinations.  If I was giving off that vibe, my apologies.  I was poorly pointing out that if chickenpox didn't kill the 12 kids in my neighborhood growing up that a vaccine certainly wasn't going to do anything worse.  Or that chicken pox really wasn't that horrible (but it was).

Naw, you were more downplaying the seriousness of chickenpox, which on it's own is for most people an annoyance.. until they get shingles. I've seen that put men on their knees crying for Vicodin. It sucks.



I had it when I was 16.  I don't believe I have ever been in that much pain in my life.
 
2014-04-12 11:51:32 PM  

twistedmetal: Meh, boosters are made for a reason, too bad no one thinks to get them.


I have my TDaP and my flu shot.

MMR is what I need to get, but I pass out, so I have to make a doctor's appointment cause they won't give it to me at Target anymore.

Also, if the antivaccination stuff keeps up, they will just go back to forced in school vaccination, like how we eradicated polio in this country.
 
2014-04-12 11:51:35 PM  

Ambivalence: What is it, 40% of the human genome is derived from viruses? (took a biology class last semester). I always wondered what kind of stuff they left behind. What virus can account for the oddities of human existance?


www.comedy.co.uk

Scientists are attempting to confirm the existence of the Reverse Flu virus, which gives the afflicted an unjustified sense of happiness and well-being.  Apparently morning DJs suffer from it constantly.
 
2014-04-12 11:51:57 PM  
When I have friends that move to the west coast I always recommend they talk to their doc about vaccine boosters. I caught whopping cough about a year after I moved from the mid west to Oregon. To me whooping cough was something you read about in historical period pieces. Made me very grumbly at the anti-vaccine crowd.
 
2014-04-12 11:52:59 PM  

jmcgeathy: I really didn't need to know about eye herpes :\


You do if you were planning on licking any eyes in the future.

Remember kids, practice safe eye-licking.  Always use a tongue condom.
 
2014-04-12 11:53:21 PM  

shtychkn: jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.

Having chicken pox doesn't mean you will have shingles.

You can get shingles and never had chicken pox.


That is not true.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/shingles- to pic-overview

However, my kids' pediatrician did tell me that approximately 10% of the population gets chicken pox but does not develop the rash. We had that discussion because I have never had chicken pox and that was one possibility considered I was exposed to 2 different outbreaks in my grade school that had 1/2 the school out the first time and the other 1/2 out about 3 years later. I have been exposed to it many times since then.

I had to get a titer to see if I had any of the antibodies in my system before I could get the chicken pox vaccine.
 
2014-04-12 11:53:35 PM  

vincentfox: brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!

My parents get sometimes quite nasty outbreaks of shingles.

Glad my generation had chicken pox vaccine, versus having to deal with THAT in my old age.


Apparently it was around when I was a kid but I didn't get it before I got pox. No pox parties but I remember my mom reassuring me at least it'd never happen again so to take comfort in that. Think I gave it to my younger brother too, who should've definitely had it available via dates folks up thread quoted. Maybe my pediatrician wasn't on game. Wouldn't be the first instance, looking back.

Isn't there a shingles vaccine now/something that stops it from recurring? I remember reading something complaining about not enough older folks getting it...
 
2014-04-12 11:53:59 PM  

yukichigai: jmcgeathy: I really didn't need to know about eye herpes :\

You do if you were planning on licking any eyes in the future.

Remember kids, practice safe eye-licking.  Always use a tongue condom.


can you get it in the ear?

img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-12 11:54:19 PM  

mikaloyd: All we know for sure is that vaccination enthusiasts are some very angry posters on FARK. Must be from getting stuck with needles all the time.


Pick your favorite color. :)

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-12 11:55:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: mikaloyd: All we know for sure is that vaccination enthusiasts are some very angry posters on FARK. Must be from getting stuck with needles all the time.

Pick your favorite color. :)

[img.fark.net image 850x478]


Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*
 
2014-04-12 11:56:16 PM  

jmcgeathy: When I have friends that move to the west coast I always recommend they talk to their doc about vaccine boosters. I caught whopping cough about a year after I moved from the mid west to Oregon. To me whooping cough was something you read about in historical period pieces. Made me very grumbly at the anti-vaccine crowd.


I always get my tetanus booster every 10 years, but I read somewhere they now have a triple booster for tetanus, whooping cough and diptheria (called tdap) and I'm going to ask for that next time.
 
2014-04-12 11:56:24 PM  

jmcgeathy: Naw, you were more downplaying the seriousness of chickenpox, which on it's own is for most people an annoyance.. until they get shingles. I've seen that put men on their knees crying for Vicodin. It sucks.


Well, never had shingles, but it's my understanding that if you get chickenpox for the first time as an adult it's even worse, so perhaps parents in the 60's and 70's were on to something.
 
2014-04-12 11:56:40 PM  

RoyBatty: 27B-6: Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.

Is that a test commonly covered by insurance?


Yes.
 
2014-04-12 11:56:58 PM  

meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*


Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.
 
2014-04-12 11:58:32 PM  
Oooohhh!!! Here it is, anti-vaxers; the smoking gun that vindicates you!  Shout it from the rooftops!!!

/grabs popcorn
 
2014-04-12 11:59:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*

Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.


do IV and injection needles ever break off in people?
 
2014-04-13 12:00:50 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Isn't there a shingles vaccine now/something that stops it from recurring? I remember reading something complaining about not enough older folks getting it...


Yeah, Zostefex or something. *looks it up* Zostavax, that was it.  It's apparently just a really large dose of the Chicken Pox vaccine Varivax.  Also it's not a fully preventative vaccine, it just dramatically reduces the duration and severity of shingles outbreaks, as well as the likelihood of an outbreak.  You still have the virus floating around in your system.
 
2014-04-13 12:01:01 AM  

Ambivalence: hardinparamedic: meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*

Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.

do IV and injection needles ever break off in people?



If you're a bad person, yes.
 
2014-04-13 12:01:11 AM  

hardinparamedic: RoyBatty: Is that a test commonly covered by insurance?

If you work in a clinical setting where the are shingles patients, or there is an expectation of exposure to chickenpox, then your employer should cover it.

Out of pocket, the Varicella Titer test costs about 300 bucks locally.


27B-6: RoyBatty: 27B-6: Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.

Is that a test commonly covered by insurance

Many plans will cover titers. It's way cheaper for them to make sure everyone is actually immune than to pay for your treatment when you get sick.


Thank you. Are there titer tests for most vaccines?

For instance, tetanus?

Last I checked, the CDC tells doctors not to give me vaccinations, even for tetanus, but a few days ago I found myself in the ER needing two stitches from a terrible job of cutting off the wrapping of a sausage, and I realize now I gave the PA the wrong information about my last tetanus update.
 
2014-04-13 12:01:56 AM  
When I was a kid, we lived in a little town with one doctor. I was diagnosed with measles twice. When I was 15, I fell ill and them broke out head to toe in this horrible rash and he again diagnosed me with measles. When my mother told him I had already had them twice, he stated that it was impossible. My mother them told h that he diagnosed me both times and then promptly to me to a emergency room. I actually had toxic shock syndrome that time. Who know what I had the other times...
 
2014-04-13 12:02:13 AM  

Ambivalence: hardinparamedic: meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*

Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.

do IV and injection needles ever break off in people?


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2014-04-13 12:03:37 AM  

RoyBatty: Last I checked, the CDC tells doctors not to give me vaccinations, even for tetanus, but a few days ago I found myself in the ER needing two stitches from a terrible job of cutting off the wrapping of a sausage, and I realize now I gave the PA the wrong information about my last tetanus update.


Wha?  When did they have that?  I've never had a problem telling my doctor "I'm due for tetanus booster" and just getting it right there.
 
2014-04-13 12:04:53 AM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: When I was a kid, we lived in a little town with one doctor. I was diagnosed with measles twice. When I was 15, I fell ill and them broke out head to toe in this horrible rash and he again diagnosed me with measles. When my mother told him I had already had them twice, he stated that it was impossible. My mother them told h that he diagnosed me both times and then promptly to me to a emergency room. I actually had toxic shock syndrome that time. Who know what I had the other times...


It's people like you and your TSS that got Rely tampons pulled. I hope you're happy.
 
2014-04-13 12:05:28 AM  

Ambivalence: do IV and injection needles ever break off in people?


It can happen if a person is very combative, but the needles are usually made of high tensile strength alloys, and will bend rather than outright break. Improper IV technique can also cause what is known as a catheter sheer, where the plastic IV straw can break off from the hub and become an embolism. It's the reason why they're all radioopaque now.

RoyBatty: Thank you. Are there titer tests for most vaccines?


For several diseases there are, such as MMR, Chickenpox, Yellow Fever, Smallpox Vaccination, and Hep A/B vaccine. Tetanus is a special case, because it only provides temporary immunity against tetanus toxoid. Did you have a reaction to DTap or another vaccine?
 
2014-04-13 12:05:38 AM  

meat0918: twistedmetal: Meh, boosters are made for a reason, too bad no one thinks to get them.

I have my TDaP and my flu shot.

MMR is what I need to get, but I pass out, so I have to make a doctor's appointment cause they won't give it to me at Target anymore.

Also, if the antivaccination stuff keeps up, they will just go back to forced in school vaccination, like how we eradicated polio in this country.


And the anti-vaxxers move their kids to private school/homeschool. A lot of them are already doing that.
 
2014-04-13 12:06:06 AM  

meat0918: hardinparamedic: mikaloyd: All we know for sure is that vaccination enthusiasts are some very angry posters on FARK. Must be from getting stuck with needles all the time.

Pick your favorite color. :)

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Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*


The orange ones are the 14 gauge, (that's the biggest diameter) IIRC, she said helpfully.
 
2014-04-13 12:07:30 AM  
The only vaccine I need is Jesus Christ.
 
2014-04-13 12:08:36 AM  

milkyshirt: meat0918: twistedmetal: Meh, boosters are made for a reason, too bad no one thinks to get them.

I have my TDaP and my flu shot.

MMR is what I need to get, but I pass out, so I have to make a doctor's appointment cause they won't give it to me at Target anymore.

Also, if the antivaccination stuff keeps up, they will just go back to forced in school vaccination, like how we eradicated polio in this country.

And the anti-vaxxers move their kids to private school/homeschool. A lot of them are already doing that.


I am actually not that worried.

In England, after Wakefield published his now discredited and fraudulent research so he could sell his own measles shot and diagnostic tool for autism, rates dropped.  They picked back up after people started getting measles again.

I just hope no one ends up dead because of this idiocy.
 
2014-04-13 12:11:18 AM  

meat0918: I just hope no one ends up dead because of this idiocy.


I know of one locally this year.
 
2014-04-13 12:12:05 AM  

wildcardjack: JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.

I've been reading 1920s Popular Mechanics. Everyone could go out and buy a box of dynamite, white lead, and pound of carbide for making acetylene.


Well, dynamite requires a license now.

But here's your carbide, and white lead.  Careful with those, it's illegal to use them for some things.
 
2014-04-13 12:12:40 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Suck it herd people. Why have the vaccines if you can still get the disease?


Why have seatbelts if you're a moron?
 
2014-04-13 12:13:08 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Wild Eyed and Wicked: When I was a kid, we lived in a little town with one doctor. I was diagnosed with measles twice. When I was 15, I fell ill and them broke out head to toe in this horrible rash and he again diagnosed me with measles. When my mother told him I had already had them twice, he stated that it was impossible. My mother them told h that he diagnosed me both times and then promptly to me to a emergency room. I actually had toxic shock syndrome that time. Who know what I had the other times...

It's people like you and your TSS that got Rely tampons pulled. I hope you're happy.


I know - those damned things were were the best at their job. Dammit it to Hell that I tried to die and then found myself having to use tampax. Sucks being a girl sometimes.
 
2014-04-13 12:13:08 AM  

hardinparamedic: Oh yes they can. Neonatal herpes leads to herpes sepsis and herpes encephalopathy.


Neonatal? It's like saying "Water burns on the sun." On one hand, you're technically correct. On the other hand it's a pointless triva because EVERYTHING burns on the sun. BABIES DIE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IMMUNE SYSTEM YET! That's why morons think there were no old people in the past. Back in the day, you'd lose kids all the time to everything and thus statistics on averages are horribly skewed to young deaths. And immunocompromised also doesn't count because with no immune system your own guts will eat you alive from the inside. Again, anything can and will kill you. Basically it makes you into a baby again.


But in general herpes is nothing unless it goes full shingles. Even then adults don't tend to die of it, just wish to. But elephant herpes does the same thing to otherwise healthy elephants. It's got a fatality rate of 80% so far in serious cases. Not exactly a cold sore, is it?

And all this encephlepholophugus crap ain't nothing anyway. Everyone dies of something. The real scary thing is that the diseases can take over your brain meats, make you act in ways you otherwise wouldn't, and no one's looking into it in humans (that I know of). We know all kinds of parasites and pathogens that alter behavior. But I'm 100% convinced that, much like a bot net, even colds and flu take over your brain and make you seek out company, ride the bus, and forget to wash your hands. Not like a compulsion from god level of domination, just a subtle influence.
 
2014-04-13 12:13:14 AM  

hardinparamedic: meat0918: I just hope no one ends up dead because of this idiocy.

I know of one locally this year.


We had one flu related death here.  Kid.  Vaccinated too, but his parents were not because of money issues.  Neither his brother or sister who were also vaccinated got sick.  Mom blames herself, implored other parents to not do what she did and get vaccinated when your kids do.
 
2014-04-13 12:13:52 AM  

Lsherm: jmcgeathy: Naw, you were more downplaying the seriousness of chickenpox, which on it's own is for most people an annoyance.. until they get shingles. I've seen that put men on their knees crying for Vicodin. It sucks.

Well, never had shingles, but it's my understanding that if you get chickenpox for the first time as an adult it's even worse, so perhaps parents in the 60's and 70's were on to something.


Well, yeah. In the 70s (when they definitely did not have a vaccine) people wanted their kids to have it as young as possible, because it was one of those things you were going to get in your lifetime and everyone knew that it gets worse as you get older. You'd also especially want girls to have it as children, because chicken pox and pregnancy is really no bueno. Since everyone was going to get the virus at some point, shingles wasn't really something anyone would have thought of when weight the risks vs benefits of exposing their kid.

Prior to the measles and mumps vaccines people intentionally exposed children too. Yes, those had higher chances of complications, but they were also things that most everyone was exposed to at some point, so you might as well get it over with for all the kids in the house/family/neighborhood. It saved having your home quarantined 4 different times.
 
2014-04-13 12:15:57 AM  

doglover: hardinparamedic: Oh yes they can. Neonatal herpes leads to herpes sepsis and herpes encephalopathy.

Neonatal? It's like saying "Water burns on the sun." On one hand, you're technically correct. On the other hand it's a pointless triva because EVERYTHING burns on the sun. BABIES DIE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IMMUNE SYSTEM YET! That's why morons think there were no old people in the past. Back in the day, you'd lose kids all the time to everything and thus statistics on averages are horribly skewed to young deaths. And immunocompromised also doesn't count because with no immune system your own guts will eat you alive from the inside. Again, anything can and will kill you. Basically it makes you into a baby again.


But in general herpes is nothing unless it goes full shingles. Even then adults don't tend to die of it, just wish to. But elephant herpes does the same thing to otherwise healthy elephants. It's got a fatality rate of 80% so far in serious cases. Not exactly a cold sore, is it?

And all this encephlepholophugus crap ain't nothing anyway. Everyone dies of something. The real scary thing is that the diseases can take over your brain meats, make you act in ways you otherwise wouldn't, and no one's looking into it in humans (that I know of). We know all kinds of parasites and pathogens that alter behavior. But I'm 100% convinced that, much like a bot net, even colds and flu take over your brain and make you seek out company, ride the bus, and forget to wash your hands. Not like a compulsion from god level of domination, just a subtle influence.


Are you a nihilist?
 
2014-04-13 12:16:03 AM  
I went for like a decade carrying around papers saying that if I was injured they needed to give me tetanus immunoglobulin because I'd had a really bad reaction to the vaccine when I was 10 and my doctor said it was safer not to risk it again. Whenever I'd go to the health department for travel vaccines they'd act like I was being an anti-vaxxer because of that one shot, even though I was there having them stick me full of holes (and even had to argue with them once because the CDC said I needed the polio shot for India and they didn't think I needed it even though the Yellow Book said the oral vaccine didn't work for that strain).

Eventually got sick of worrying about getting injured while traveling somewhere that didn't have quick access to the immunoglobulin and got a tetanus booster, had to hang out in the doctor's office lobby for a good long time to make sure I didn't go into anaphylaxis over it. I still don't know why it made me so sick as a kid that the doctor said not to get another one. It's good I did though, consider that I ended up in a Vietnamese emergency room with my eye split open from a motorcycle crash a couple years later.
 
2014-04-13 12:16:52 AM  

hardinparamedic: Ambivalence: do IV and injection needles ever break off in people?

It can happen if a person is very combative, but the needles are usually made of high tensile strength alloys, and will bend rather than outright break. Improper IV technique can also cause what is known as a catheter sheer, where the plastic IV straw can break off from the hub and become an embolism. It's the reason why they're all radioopaque now.

RoyBatty: Thank you. Are there titer tests for most vaccines?

For several diseases there are, such as MMR, Chickenpox, Yellow Fever, Smallpox Vaccination, and Hep A/B vaccine. Tetanus is a special case, because it only provides temporary immunity against tetanus toxoid. Did you have a reaction to DTap or another vaccine?


I had Guillain-Barre about 10 years ago. There have been a couple of times I've sought out vaccinations, but my doctors said "nuh, uh, not yours".

But I am vaguely worried that I haven't had a tetanus booster in years and just punctured myself with a mostly clean knife.

(
This has tended to yield rage comments against me, but because I had GBS, I tend to:
+ support vaccination (I rely on herd immunity)
+ greatly support outreach and education programs
+ support informed consent between patient and doctor
+ support opt-in vaccination programs (not opt-out)
+ support even philosophical opt out
+ favor mandatory vaccinations for limited diseases that can affect the pregnant, fetus, elderly and infirmed; or that occur very swiftly before someone has a good chance of getting to a doctor, or that can threaten a school population (with absence).
)
 
2014-04-13 12:19:20 AM  

rynthetyn: Eventually got sick of worrying about getting injured while traveling somewhere that didn't have quick access to the immunoglobulin and got a tetanus booster, had to hang out in the doctor's office lobby for a good long time to make sure I didn't go into anaphylaxis over it. I still don't know why it made me so sick as a kid that the doctor said not to get another one. It's good I did though, consider that I ended up in a Vietnamese emergency room with my eye split open from a motorcycle crash a couple years later.


There are several different types of Tetanus vaccine, and the combination vaccines have changed several times in composition and formulation over the past 20 years alone. The combination vaccines are usually used because they also give a booster to things like Diphtheria and Pertussis, which as adults many don't have immunity or resistance anymore from their pediatric shots to and can function as carriers. The single Tetanus vaccine does exist, but it's rarely given outside of specific circumstances.

Or they might have figured that it had been so long that you had been desensitized to whatever caused the reaction in the first place.
 
2014-04-13 12:20:50 AM  

we'refromthesamestory: Omfg. Vaccinations don't mean immunity. They mean reaistance. All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria that is one day going to kill us all.


I thought this was well known.

So, not only do they endanger our children, they are totally useless!

/*sigh*
 
2014-04-13 12:21:49 AM  

rynthetyn: I went for like a decade carrying around papers saying that if I was injured they needed to give me tetanus immunoglobulin because I'd had a really bad reaction to the vaccine when I was 10 and my doctor said it was safer not to risk it again. Whenever I'd go to the health department for travel vaccines they'd act like I was being an anti-vaxxer because of that one shot, even though I was there having them stick me full of holes (and even had to argue with them once because the CDC said I needed the polio shot for India and they didn't think I needed it even though the Yellow Book said the oral vaccine didn't work for that strain).

Eventually got sick of worrying about getting injured while traveling somewhere that didn't have quick access to the immunoglobulin and got a tetanus booster, had to hang out in the doctor's office lobby for a good long time to make sure I didn't go into anaphylaxis over it. I still don't know why it made me so sick as a kid that the doctor said not to get another one. It's good I did though, consider that I ended up in a Vietnamese emergency room with my eye split open from a motorcycle crash a couple years later.


So, you didn't get sick from the tetanus vaccine as an adult?
 
2014-04-13 12:22:28 AM  

meat0918: milkyshirt: meat0918: twistedmetal: Meh, boosters are made for a reason, too bad no one thinks to get them.

I have my TDaP and my flu shot.

MMR is what I need to get, but I pass out, so I have to make a doctor's appointment cause they won't give it to me at Target anymore.

Also, if the antivaccination stuff keeps up, they will just go back to forced in school vaccination, like how we eradicated polio in this country.

And the anti-vaxxers move their kids to private school/homeschool. A lot of them are already doing that.

I am actually not that worried.

In England, after Wakefield published his now discredited and fraudulent research so he could sell his own measles shot and diagnostic tool for autism, rates dropped.  They picked back up after people started getting measles again.

I just hope no one ends up dead because of this idiocy.


I think a lot of people (particularly kids) are going to have to have a real bad time before the anti-vax crowd gets a clue.

I hope I'm wrong. It seems like there's been a flood of vaccine articles in my Facebook feed lately, which is a magnet for those people. It's a topic I'm passionate about and I have a hard time resisting the urge to argue with them. And then I spend way too much time dwelling on how willingly ignorant some people want to be, and then I feel depressed and defeated. Because it's harmful to innocent people I can't just laugh at them. It makes me too angry.
 
2014-04-13 12:23:59 AM  

RoyBatty: I had Guillain-Barre about 10 years ago. There have been a couple of times I've sought out vaccinations, but my doctors said "nuh, uh, not yours".


OH! That explains a lot then. While there is some evidence linking GBS with certain vaccines, such as the 70s variant H1N1 vaccine and Tdap vaccine, there is also contrary evidence that it was not related to vaccines, but rather coincidental.

So to be on the safe side, they don't vaccinate due to the fact that there have been (incredibly) rare relapses of GBS, and due to the nature and severity of the illness that might result from a relapse.

However, for a clean, shallow and open wound that has been properly treated and cleaned, the risk in the first world is small. Especially if they did teaching of symptoms to look for. Even so, you can get passive Tetanus Toxin Immunoglobulin and be safe.
 
2014-04-13 12:24:10 AM  

meat0918: hardinparamedic: meat0918: I just hope no one ends up dead because of this idiocy.

I know of one locally this year.

We had one flu related death here.  Kid.  Vaccinated too, but his parents were not because of money issues.  Neither his brother or sister who were also vaccinated got sick.  Mom blames herself, implored other parents to not do what she did and get vaccinated when your kids do.


I was at a party recently and asked a few otherwise intelligent people if they'd had the flu vaccine and they looked at me like I'd asked them to  test some sort of new pharmaceutical. There's still a lot of ignorance out there.
 
2014-04-13 12:24:26 AM  
I work for an organization that is against immunity against all deadly contagious diseases.  Like all my co-workers I am fully vaccinated.  Why?  Our goal is to reduce world population.
 
2014-04-13 12:27:04 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: JoieD'Zen: Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.

Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.

*WHOOSH*


Cool!  So it's just a matter of time before we all start turning into Spider Man.
 
2014-04-13 12:28:27 AM  

Ambivalence: rynthetyn: I went for like a decade carrying around papers saying that if I was injured they needed to give me tetanus immunoglobulin because I'd had a really bad reaction to the vaccine when I was 10 and my doctor said it was safer not to risk it again. Whenever I'd go to the health department for travel vaccines they'd act like I was being an anti-vaxxer because of that one shot, even though I was there having them stick me full of holes (and even had to argue with them once because the CDC said I needed the polio shot for India and they didn't think I needed it even though the Yellow Book said the oral vaccine didn't work for that strain).

Eventually got sick of worrying about getting injured while traveling somewhere that didn't have quick access to the immunoglobulin and got a tetanus booster, had to hang out in the doctor's office lobby for a good long time to make sure I didn't go into anaphylaxis over it. I still don't know why it made me so sick as a kid that the doctor said not to get another one. It's good I did though, consider that I ended up in a Vietnamese emergency room with my eye split open from a motorcycle crash a couple years later.

So, you didn't get sick from the tetanus vaccine as an adult?


 Nope, most likely because it had been changed since I got sick from it as a kid, though there's no way of really knowing. They never were 100% sure if it was the vaccine that made me sick or if it had something to do with the whole falling out of a jungle gym and ripping my arm open, which was why I got the shot in the first place.
 
2014-04-13 12:29:21 AM  

hardinparamedic: RoyBatty: I had Guillain-Barre about 10 years ago. There have been a couple of times I've sought out vaccinations, but my doctors said "nuh, uh, not yours".

OH! That explains a lot then. While there is some evidence linking GBS with certain vaccines, such as the 70s variant H1N1 vaccine and Tdap vaccine, there is also contrary evidence that it was not related to vaccines, but rather coincidental.

So to be on the safe side, they don't vaccinate due to the fact that there have been (incredibly) rare relapses of GBS, and due to the nature and severity of the illness that might result from a relapse.

However, for a clean, shallow and open wound that has been properly treated and cleaned, the risk in the first world is small. Especially if they did teaching of symptoms to look for. Even so, you can get passive Tetanus Toxin Immunoglobulin and be safe.


My GBS came on slowly, it took at least a month before I was mostly paralyzed. But some incidents come on within a few hours. And apparently having had it once, makes it more likely for it to recur. This sometimes leads to some interesting hours for me if for whatever reason, fatigue, or a cold or whatever, I start feeling pins and needles or numbness in extremities. "Did I sleep on my neck funny, or is it GBS?".

Come Monday, I will call up my doc and talk about options.
 
2014-04-13 12:32:13 AM  
Huh. This is easily one of the derpiest (yep, that's a word now) threads I've ever seen outside of the Politics tab. Well done, anti-vaxxers, seriously. Keep it up and we'll regress to the days when idiots like Charles Meigs would passionately argue against HAND WASHING FOR DOCTORS because, "doctors are gentlemen, and gentlemen's hands are always clean."

/it's alright, just keep telling yourselves that you know what you're talking about...
 
2014-04-13 12:34:23 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Huh. This is easily one of the derpiest (yep, that's a word now) threads I've ever seen outside of the Politics tab. Well done, anti-vaxxers, seriously. Keep it up and we'll regress to the days when idiots like Charles Meigs would passionately argue against HAND WASHING FOR DOCTORS because, "doctors are gentlemen, and gentlemen's hands are always clean."

/it's alright, just keep telling yourselves that you know what you're talking about...


You think this is derpy? You obviously have not experienced derpy.
 
2014-04-13 12:35:08 AM  
Unless this girl had clearance for and worked in a biosafety 2+ lab (fairly high security and no non-bioworkers allowed) then either she has magical psionic bacteria-creating powers or she  got it from another vector, something that universal vaccination would have significantly reduced the chances of.

Do they not teach the basic principles of vector transmission in middle school in subby's home state anymore?  Where the fark is he from, Kansas?
 
2014-04-13 12:35:40 AM  

hardinparamedic: rynthetyn: Eventually got sick of worrying about getting injured while traveling somewhere that didn't have quick access to the immunoglobulin and got a tetanus booster, had to hang out in the doctor's office lobby for a good long time to make sure I didn't go into anaphylaxis over it. I still don't know why it made me so sick as a kid that the doctor said not to get another one. It's good I did though, consider that I ended up in a Vietnamese emergency room with my eye split open from a motorcycle crash a couple years later.

There are several different types of Tetanus vaccine, and the combination vaccines have changed several times in composition and formulation over the past 20 years alone. The combination vaccines are usually used because they also give a booster to things like Diphtheria and Pertussis, which as adults many don't have immunity or resistance anymore from their pediatric shots to and can function as carriers. The single Tetanus vaccine does exist, but it's rarely given outside of specific circumstances.

Or they might have figured that it had been so long that you had been desensitized to whatever caused the reaction in the first place.


It was close to 20 years after the shot that made me sick, so I'm sure it had changed if it's changed a few times. I know that I'd gotten a stand alone diphtheria booster at some point. When I did finally get the tetanus one it was the stand alone version because I've been vaccinated for everything else.

I think the only things I haven't been vaccinated for at this point are Yellow Fever, Rabies, and Japanese Encephalitis.
 
2014-04-13 12:36:52 AM  
Thanks guys. I didn't want to sleep tonight at all.
 
2014-04-13 12:36:59 AM  

hardinparamedic:

Are you a nihilist?


No, but I am a pragmatist. Honey is an amazing product. You can go down to egypt, dig up a mummy's tomb, and if there's any offerings of honey left over you can probably still eat it. I wouldn't, but you can do this thing. It's amazingly antimicrobial. In fact, there's only one harmless pathogen that hangs out in honey, but it can kill babies. Something that never spoils is usually already spoiled to babies. But once they grow up, crank out a few T cells and get some dirt on 'em, they're good to go.

QED Outside of pediatrics, it's easy to discount any illnesses that kills only babies as non-fatal because everything can potentially kill babies, even honey.
 
2014-04-13 12:37:13 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Huh. This is easily one of the derpiest (yep, that's a word now) threads I've ever seen outside of the Politics tab. Well done, anti-vaxxers, seriously. Keep it up and we'll regress to the days when idiots like Charles Meigs would passionately argue against HAND WASHING FOR DOCTORS because, "doctors are gentlemen, and gentlemen's hands are always clean."

/it's alright, just keep telling yourselves that you know what you're talking about...


Psh. My mother never washed her hands before she put bandaids on mine or my sister's cuts, and we never died from the infections.

/just kidding
//my mother never put bandaids on my cuts
 
2014-04-13 12:38:51 AM  

doglover: QED Outside of pediatrics, it's easy to discount any illnesses that kills only babies as non-fatal because everything can potentially kill babies, even honey.


Unfortunately, there's a significant amount of the population walking around today who are immunocompromised for one reason or another - transplant, cancer treatment, medicine regiment, etc.
 
2014-04-13 12:39:24 AM  

knight_on_the_rail: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Huh. This is easily one of the derpiest (yep, that's a word now) threads I've ever seen outside of the Politics tab. Well done, anti-vaxxers, seriously. Keep it up and we'll regress to the days when idiots like Charles Meigs would passionately argue against HAND WASHING FOR DOCTORS because, "doctors are gentlemen, and gentlemen's hands are always clean."

/it's alright, just keep telling yourselves that you know what you're talking about...

You think this is derpy? You obviously have not experienced derpy.


Not so much since I swore of the aforementioned Politics tab. I also tend to avoid threads that look like they have potential for massive stupid; this is the first time in a while that I decided to dive in, so I'll certainly accept that I've been missing out ;)
 
2014-04-13 12:41:05 AM  
*swore OFF.

/use the preview button, jackass...
 
2014-04-13 12:42:29 AM  

DarkVader: Well, dynamite requires a license now.



From that form...
Type of magazine (e.g., permanent, mobile/portable, indoor/outdoor, building, igloo, tunnel, dugout, box, trailer, semitrailer, or other mobile magazine): 

Igloo?
 
2014-04-13 12:44:00 AM  

whatshisname: I was at a party recently and asked a few otherwise intelligent people if they'd had the flu vaccine and they looked at me like I'd asked them to  test some sort of new pharmaceutical. There's still a lot of ignorance out there.


I have never EVER had the flu, in my entire life (not including stomach flu which isn't actually flu at all). 40 years, flu free and no vaccine. I realize that flu vaccine is very important for people who are in high risk catagories, and getting a flu shot is on my list of things I will do on my 60th birthday (I'm getting a tattoo on my 50th).  But I don't understand getting vaccinated for a disease I never get (despite being regularly exposed to it) especially when the vaccine is only for strains that are projected to be big that year, not neccessarily strains that actually happen.  I forget if it was last year or the year before last where people who had the shot actually had higher instances of the flu, but it was fairly recently.

The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.  But the biggest problem with flu vaccine is that there is no one flu.  There are literally thousands of different strains of flu.  Can you imagine if there were thousands of different strains of polio and every year you got a shot that worked against a dozen of them and you better hope to God no other strains come out that year or you'd be in a wheelchair the rest of your life?

That is just me, but it's not a position of ignorance.
 
2014-04-13 12:46:19 AM  
Sweet mother of gawd thats a lot of damned needles GAAAAH!
 
2014-04-13 12:49:35 AM  

hardinparamedic: doglover: QED Outside of pediatrics, it's easy to discount any illnesses that kills only babies as non-fatal because everything can potentially kill babies, even honey.

Unfortunately, there's a significant amount of the population walking around today who are immunocompromised for one reason or another - transplant, cancer treatment, medicine regiment, etc.


There's no pathogen that won't kill you if your body can't fight it. That doesn't mean any of those pathogens are deadly as a rule. What it means is your immune system is hella important.
 
2014-04-13 12:50:21 AM  

doglover: hardinparamedic: doglover: QED Outside of pediatrics, it's easy to discount any illnesses that kills only babies as non-fatal because everything can potentially kill babies, even honey.

Unfortunately, there's a significant amount of the population walking around today who are immunocompromised for one reason or another - transplant, cancer treatment, medicine regiment, etc.

There's no pathogen that won't kill you if your body can't fight it. That doesn't mean any of those pathogens are deadly as a rule. What it means is your immune system is hella important.


However, death is not the only outcome.
 
2014-04-13 12:50:44 AM  

Ambivalence: The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.


This statement sort of sums up the level of knowledge that most anti-vaxxers are working with.
 
2014-04-13 12:53:24 AM  
Anyone not needing theirs, I'll take an extra. I wouldn't mind a booster. Granted I rarely leave my cave but when I do I don't want to be infected by all you crazy people.
 
2014-04-13 01:03:27 AM  

jmcgeathy: Frederick has been the main "stop being pussies, it's didn't kill me" anti vaccine troll in the thread. Most of this is directed in that direction. :)


I'm not anti-vaccine in the least.  Thats a lie.
 
2014-04-13 01:04:01 AM  

whatshisname: Ambivalence: The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.

This statement sort of sums up the level of knowledge that most anti-vaxxers are working with.


Sadly, yep.
 
2014-04-13 01:04:08 AM  

whatshisname: Ambivalence: The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.

This statement sort of sums up the level of knowledge that most anti-vaxxers are working with.


I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  I have been vacinated and get regular boosters for almost every commonly vaccinated disease. I have 0 incidents of flu.  That is fairly remarkable considering how common flu is and considering how old I am.  I never even had flu as a child.  A yearly flu shot is not going to give me fewer than 0 incidents of flu, and it could possibly give me more than 0 incidents of flu.

If I ever get my first flu, then I'll start getting vacinated for it. Or when I enter a high risk catagory, then I'll get vaccinated.  Until then, I'm not going to fark with success. The flu vaccine, as it is now, is a craps shoot.  Maybe you get a good one that covers all the strains for the year, maybe you don't.
 
2014-04-13 01:05:56 AM  

doglover: No, but I am a pragmatist. Honey is an amazing product. You can go down to egypt, dig up a mummy's tomb, and if there's any offerings of honey left over you can probably still eat it. I wouldn't, but you can do this thing. It's amazingly antimicrobial. In fact, there's only one harmless pathogen that hangs out in honey, but it can kill babies. Something that never spoils is usually already spoiled to babies. But once they grow up, crank out a few T cells and get some dirt on 'em, they're good to go.


Did you ever think maybe it's the mummy's curse that's killing the babies and not the honey?

Perhaps you shouldn't be digging up the final resting places of God-kings and redistributing their offerings to mortals. Death of the Firstborn is probably the least of your worries when you're farking around with shiat like that.

Try giving someone else's baby modern honey not stolen from the tombs of ancient patriarchs at the same time if you're going to do that. You know, like a control group or something. Only with curses instead of microbial pathogens.
 
2014-04-13 01:07:58 AM  

hardinparamedic: meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*

Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.


Do you ever f*ck with the patients and ask them what size IV needle they want, just to see how many beg for the lower numbered one?
 
2014-04-13 01:09:07 AM  

Ambivalence: I have never EVER had the flu, in my entire life (not including stomach flu which isn't actually flu at all). 40 years, flu free and no vaccine. I realize that flu vaccine is very important for people who are in high risk catagories, and getting a flu shot is on my list of things I will do on my 60th birthday (I'm getting a tattoo on my 50th).


Viruses exist because we allow them to spread. When you get it, you will pass it on to others, who will pass it on again - and there are better than even odds that by some concatenation of infections, you will pass the disease on to someone who dies from it, maybe even someone you know and love.

But I don't understand getting vaccinated for a disease I never get (despite being regularly exposed to it) especially when the vaccine is only for strains that are projected to be big that year, not neccessarily strains that actually happen.

There are generally 2 or 3 strains that are frequent any given year. By studying what strains are carried by migratory birds in south Asia (which spread through small farms in Asia that raise fowl and pigs, to humans in Asia, and then to the rest of the world), more often than not, all the actively spreading strains are included in the vaccine. The 2003-04 flu season is cited as a bad year, because the vaccine "only" protected against the strains contracted by about 60% of infected unvaccinated people.

I forget if it was last year or the year before last where people who had the shot actually had higher instances of the flu, but it was fairly recently.

Possibly in raw numbers, but a very large fraction of the people who receive the vaccine are mandated to do so because they are in contact with highly contagious populations (school teachers) and/or highly at-risk populations (hospitals). If those people are 100 times as exposed to the flu than the public at large, and the vaccine is, say, only 60% effective, then they would still get the flu 40 times as often as the general public - but less than half as frequently as they would without the vaccine.

The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.  But the biggest problem with flu vaccine is that there is no one flu.  There are literally thousands of different strains of flu.  Can you imagine if there were thousands of different strains of polio and every year you got a shot that worked against a dozen of them and you better hope to God no other strains come out that year or you'd be in a wheelchair the rest of your life?

So you're being forced to play russian roulette, and someone offers to take out a few bullets. And you say no because there are still bullets in the gun?

That is just me, but it's not a position of ignorance.

Just a position of hubris.
 
2014-04-13 01:11:57 AM  

Enigmamf: So you're being forced to play russian roulette, and someone offers to take out a few bullets. And you say no because there are still bullets in the gun?


Okay, so there are anti-vaxxers, and apparently there are vaxxer evangelicals and I don't particularly want to be in either group so I'm going to step away from this discussion.

Good night.
 
2014-04-13 01:15:14 AM  

Ambivalence: Okay, so there are anti-vaxxers, and apparently there are vaxxer evangelicals and I don't particularly want to be in either group so I'm going to step away from this discussion.

Good night.


The only way to win is to not play.
 
2014-04-13 01:15:21 AM  

ox45tallboy: hardinparamedic: meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*

Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.

Do you ever f*ck with the patients and ask them what size IV needle they want, just to see how many beg for the lower numbered one?


Yikes No, but back in the day I have worked with people who did that to drunk drivers.

Contrary to my FARKsona, I'm a pretty nice guy. :)
 
2014-04-13 01:20:37 AM  

hardinparamedic: ox45tallboy: hardinparamedic: meat0918: Are those really different colored needles?!?!?

Man, I hate nbeedasles *thud*

Well, IV needles. White-Yellow-Blue-Pink-Green-Silver-Orange-Black denote size from 26 ga to 12/10ga.

Do you ever f*ck with the patients and ask them what size IV needle they want, just to see how many beg for the lower numbered one?

Yikes No, but back in the day I have worked with people who did that to drunk drivers.

Contrary to my FARKsona, I'm a pretty nice guy. :)


You're not. All good medics are assholes.
 
2014-04-13 01:30:02 AM  
Meh, the measles vaccine is one of the somewhat less effective ones.  Hell, I got measles when I was a kid, even though I was vaccinated.

That said, this isn't an excuse not to vaccinate.  Some protection is better than none, and none is exactly what the anti-vaxxers want.
 
2014-04-13 01:37:45 AM  
Immunosuppressed person here, thanks for making me scared to leave the house. Fark you deniers very, very, very much.

/Also had shingles (in January) and was told on my meds I can totes get it again and again.
//Vicodin did nothing and if you'd offered me heroin during the worst of it I would've said yes, and that was with fast top-of-the-line antivirals.
 
2014-04-13 01:44:46 AM  

Frederick: Ambivalence: Okay, so there are anti-vaxxers, and apparently there are vaxxer evangelicals and I don't particularly want to be in either group so I'm going to step away from this discussion.

Good night.

The only way to win is to not play.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-13 01:45:52 AM  
Ah, antivaxxers.  When you'll be DAMNED if you'll let something small like the lives of children get in the way of you enjoying some bullshiat trend!  "Oh, sorry about your little infant girl I infected who died in agony weeks later.  I didn't want to sully my karma and break up the harmonics of my magic soulwalker crystals by doing something reasonable a basement level intellect could fathom better than I could."
 
2014-04-13 01:53:39 AM  

Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.


If they filmed the movie "E.T." today, all of t

Frederick: Ambivalence: JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.

Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.


And the guns. They're all gone now, thank goodness.
 
2014-04-13 01:54:19 AM  

Enigmamf: a very large fraction of the people who receive the vaccine are mandated to do so because they are in contact with highly contagious populations (school teachers) and/or highly at-risk populations (hospitals).


Yep - and this is one of my excuses for not getting a flu vaccine.  I'm not an anti-vax person, but I just don't feel the need to get a flu vaccine.  I don't work with children and I don't work in a hospital.  I expect my biggest risk comes from buying produce at a grocery store.  Who knows how many other people have picked up that apple before you and put it back?

I don't.  This is why I try to pick the fruit at the very bottom of the stack of fruit, but that doesn't mean that whoever picked that apple didn't take a shiat 5 minutes before they picked it and didn't wash their hands.

Hey, the good news is I probably won't get the flu from that.  I may get something else, but the flu is unlikely.
 
2014-04-13 02:13:34 AM  

Ambivalence: The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.  But the biggest problem with flu vaccine is that there is no one flu.  There are literally thousands of different strains of flu.  Can you imagine if there were thousands of different strains of polio and every year you got a shot that worked against a dozen of them and you better hope to God no other strains come out that year or you'd be in a wheelchair the rest of your life?


Resistance to the most likely projected strains of the flu for that year is better than not having that resistance - it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.  I don't see why I wouldn't get vaccinated.
 
2014-04-13 02:20:29 AM  

Alicious: Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine too. One of my classmates got chicken pox in her throat and on the insides of her eyelids. She spent several weeks in the hospital for it.

One of my mother's college friend's husband got chicken pox when he was forty. It nearly killed him and he spent 3 months in the hospital from it.


It was probably AIDs and he probably got it from your mom.
 
2014-04-13 03:06:15 AM  

gfid: Enigmamf: a very large fraction of the people who receive the vaccine are mandated to do so because they are in contact with highly contagious populations (school teachers) and/or highly at-risk populations (hospitals).

Yep - and this is one of my excuses for not getting a flu vaccine.  I'm not an anti-vax person, but I just don't feel the need to get a flu vaccine.  I don't work with children and I don't work in a hospital.  I expect my biggest risk comes from buying produce at a grocery store.  Who knows how many other people have picked up that apple before you and put it back?

I don't.  This is why I try to pick the fruit at the very bottom of the stack of fruit, but that doesn't mean that whoever picked that apple didn't take a shiat 5 minutes before they picked it and didn't wash their hands.

Hey, the good news is I probably won't get the flu from that.  I may get something else, but the flu is unlikely.


 If you do get the flu though, you could very well infect someone in an at risk group.
 
2014-04-13 03:22:53 AM  

rynthetyn: gfid: Enigmamf: a very large fraction of the people who receive the vaccine are mandated to do so because they are in contact with highly contagious populations (school teachers) and/or highly at-risk populations (hospitals).

Yep - and this is one of my excuses for not getting a flu vaccine.  I'm not an anti-vax person, but I just don't feel the need to get a flu vaccine.  I don't work with children and I don't work in a hospital.  I expect my biggest risk comes from buying produce at a grocery store.  Who knows how many other people have picked up that apple before you and put it back?

I don't.  This is why I try to pick the fruit at the very bottom of the stack of fruit, but that doesn't mean that whoever picked that apple didn't take a shiat 5 minutes before they picked it and didn't wash their hands.

Hey, the good news is I probably won't get the flu from that.  I may get something else, but the flu is unlikely.

 If you do get the flu though, you could very well infect someone in an at risk group.


On the plus side, the last time I got the flu I quit smoking for over a week...until I found a pack that I had forgotten about and just wanted to see what it was like - like I had actually forgotten during that time.

I might actually be healthier if I got the flu more often.
 
2014-04-13 04:00:37 AM  

GoodDoctorB: Frederick: Ambivalence: Okay, so there are anti-vaxxers, and apparently there are vaxxer evangelicals and I don't particularly want to be in either group so I'm going to step away from this discussion.

Good night.

The only way to win is to not play.

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What do you think it is?  BTW Ambivalence and I were talking about the discussion.  What are you talking about?

Cpl.D: Ah, antivaxxers.  When you'll be DAMNED if you'll let something small like the lives of children get in the way of you enjoying some bullshiat trend!  "Oh, sorry about your little infant girl I infected who died in agony weeks later.  I didn't want to sully my karma and break up the harmonics of my magic soulwalker crystals by doing something reasonable a basement level intellect could fathom better than I could."


Do you actually know of this scenario occurring -and with measles?
 
2014-04-13 04:10:55 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.


5/10.. No one's this dumb.
 
2014-04-13 04:11:37 AM  
 
2014-04-13 04:22:54 AM  

gfid: rynthetyn: gfid: Enigmamf: a very large fraction of the people who receive the vaccine are mandated to do so because they are in contact with highly contagious populations (school teachers) and/or highly at-risk populations (hospitals).

Yep - and this is one of my excuses for not getting a flu vaccine.  I'm not an anti-vax person, but I just don't feel the need to get a flu vaccine.  I don't work with children and I don't work in a hospital.  I expect my biggest risk comes from buying produce at a grocery store.  Who knows how many other people have picked up that apple before you and put it back?

I don't.  This is why I try to pick the fruit at the very bottom of the stack of fruit, but that doesn't mean that whoever picked that apple didn't take a shiat 5 minutes before they picked it and didn't wash their hands.

Hey, the good news is I probably won't get the flu from that.  I may get something else, but the flu is unlikely.

 If you do get the flu though, you could very well infect someone in an at risk group.

On the plus side, the last time I got the flu I quit smoking for over a week...until I found a pack that I had forgotten about and just wanted to see what it was like - like I had actually forgotten during that time.

I might actually be healthier if I got the flu more often.


Currently, if you're not in an at-risk group and are otherwise healthy, there's no reason to get a flu vaccine and use a dose that's needed by the at-risk population. "At-risk" being defined as very young, very old, immuno-compromised, and those working in such populations, such as teachers, healthcare workers and first responders. Healthy adults between the ages of 20-50 with no health problems and no contact with kids on a regular basis are probably okay not to get a flu shot.

That said, if you DO come down with the flu, do the rest of us a favor and stay the f*ck at home so you get better quicker and the rest of us don't get infected thank you very much.
 
2014-04-13 04:25:04 AM  

RoyBatty: 27B-6: Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.

Is that a test commonly covered by insurance?


Maybe but you can skip the titer and go for the adult booster.

One round as an infant and another as a toddler are not "up to date". I was required to have a booster before senior year of high school. For this young woman's age, that would be "up to date".

Because I was in my late 20s when I went back to college, I was again required to get an adult booster.

Your childhood vaccines aren't doing very much for you now, you need to get adult boosters, and with all these Vaccine Zombies running around, I'd say it's more important than ever now.
 
2014-04-13 04:27:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Currently, if you're not in an at-risk group and are otherwise healthy, there's no reason to get a flu vaccine and use a dose that's needed by the at-risk population. "At-risk" being defined as very young, very old, immuno-compromised, and those working in such populations, such as teachers, healthcare workers and first responders. Healthy adults between the ages of 20-50 with no health problems and no contact with kids on a regular basis are probably okay not to get a flu shot.


Herd immunity levels for the current flu season, taking into account a less-effective uptake vaccine for this year, are around 90% vaccine uptake.

Routine annual flu vaccinations of all persons over 6 months of age are recommended still by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.

Gyrfalcon: That said, if you DO come down with the flu, do the rest of us a favor and stay the f*ck at home so you get better quicker and the rest of us don't get infected thank you very much.


Unfortunately, by the time someone shows symptoms of the flu outright, they've been shedding infectious viral loads (giggity!) for around three to four days, and have exposed countless people around them to the flu virus.
 
2014-04-13 04:44:44 AM  
Now to really throw farkers panties in a bunch....let them know that vaccinations are homeopathic preparations.......
 
2014-04-13 05:06:41 AM  

Cpl.D: Ah, antivaxxers.  When you'll be DAMNED if you'll let something small like the lives of children get in the way of you enjoying some bullshiat trend!  "Oh, sorry about your little infant girl I infected who died in agony weeks later.  I didn't want to sully my karma and break up the harmonics of my magic soulwalker crystals by doing something reasonable a basement level intellect could fathom better than I could."


hardinparamedic: Frederick: Do you actually know of this scenario occurring -and with measles?

In the United States, measles has been declared endemically under control since 2000, with only 153 cases last year, and thankfully no deaths. 11% of the cases required hospitalization due to symptoms or secondary infection, the cost of which can run into the tens of thousands.


So you agree that statements like Cpl.D's are irrational, sensational, emotional -and not relevant?  This is one of the two points I try to make in the threads.  That people should try to stay rational and logical.  Let the facts do the talking when arguing about necessity of vaccinations.

hardinparamedic: Thanks to aggressive global efforts for eradication, measles deaths worldwide only numbered 158,000 people in 2011 - the latest available data from the WHO.


You provide an example of overwhelming success.  Despite whatever presence anti-vaxxers represent.  Clearly vaccinations are winning the day.  Is it really necessary to be so, frankly, hateful to the anti-vaxxers?  This attitude -I dont mean the message, but the delivery- is not conducive to winning any hearts and minds of those on the fence.  And people on the fence exist and are listening.
 
2014-04-13 06:21:00 AM  
The worst thing about skipping your kid's MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps, Rubella), aside from getting or passing along what can be occasionally fatal diseases, is that your decision can maim and kill unborn babies.
Rubella (German Measles) is generally mild, but kills, blinds, mentally retards, and causes serious heart, liver & other organ issues in the baby. Oh, and deafness, miscarriage, and preterm labor.
So, if your kid isn't vaccinated, know that if you get pregnant again, that mild rash he brings home may kill or maim your new baby. Or the baby of anyone else he comes in contact with.
Rubella in utero isn't a 1-in-a-thousand thing, either.
Rubella is such a serious risk that pregnant women can't even get the vaccine - there is no safe exposure level.
 
2014-04-13 09:09:37 AM  

Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.


What magical device do they insert into the bike paths that make it impossible to fall off or makes a collision between bikes impossible?
 
2014-04-13 09:15:43 AM  

Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


Not when they take other people with them.
 
2014-04-13 09:33:05 AM  

Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


No, those are not the exact people I'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool. Kids whose parents are (at least in one respect) stupid can still have perfectly good genes, which I would like to keep in the pool.

You provide an example of overwhelming success.  Despite whatever presence anti-vaxxers represent.  Clearly vaccinations are winning the day.

If the goal is to eradicate a disease, you can't "win the day" like a sports team which scores 113 points against 2, or a political party which gets 97% of the votes. To wipe out a disease, you cannot ignore the last 0.5% of the carriers like we can ignore the flat earthers. On the contrary, you have to increase your efforts to track down the last individuals with the virus.

The case of polio illustrates this problem:
i6.photobucket.com (http://www.polioeradication.org/Portals/0/Document/Data&Monitoring/I MB _Reports/IMB_Report_April2011.pdf )

It's difficult enough without people who live in well-infrastructured areas but still refuse to vaccinate their children.
 
2014-04-13 09:57:36 AM  

hardinparamedic: Frederick: Do you actually know of this scenario occurring -and with measles?

In the United States, measles has been declared endemically under control since 2000, with only 153 cases last year, and thankfully no deaths. 11% of the cases required hospitalization due to symptoms or secondary infection, the cost of which can run into the tens of thousands.

Thanks to aggressive global efforts for eradication, measles deaths worldwide only numbered 158,000 people in 2011 - the latest available data from the WHO.


And, thanks to that data, we won't get fooled again.
 
2014-04-13 10:31:33 AM  
Can we work on eliminating STDs by banishing/killing/quarantining any of the infected next? Because they should be really easy to eliminate if we have an amoral scorched earth policy aimed at improving the human race.

/might seriously support tattoo/branding of certain crimes/diseases that need to go away
//too unethical?
 
2014-04-13 11:33:44 AM  

Ambivalence: StokeyBob: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

It might not if the kids aborted so the parents can afford a car to get to their jobs.

Sometimes I wish I could encapsulate my look of extreme incredulity into an emoticon but I can't.

Go to bed, stokey, you're drunk.


Not so drunk I can't see there may be unexpected consequences of spending other peoples money for things like requiring a backward facing camera in every car.
 
2014-04-13 11:43:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon:
Currently, if you're not in an at-risk group and are otherwise healthy, there's no reason to get a flu vaccine and use a dose that's needed by the at-risk population. "At-risk" being defined as very young, very old, immuno-compromised, and those working in such populations, such as teachers, healthcare workers and first responders. Healthy adults between the ages of 20-50 with no health problems and no contact with kids on a regular basis are probably okay not to get a flu shot.

That said, if you DO come down with the flu, do the rest of us a favor and stay the f*ck at home so you get better quicker and the rest of us don't get infected thank you very much.


Do you know what fomites are?

When you are in the presymptomatic phase of influenza (and many other illnesses) infection, you shed the virus.

So when you touch the cart at the store or the PIN pad or the elevator button, congratulations you've left an infectious deposit for someone else, and you have no way of knowing if that next person to touch it is perfectly healthy or an end-stage cancer patient with an immune system that gave up months ago.

Will it kill you if/when you get the flu? Probably not; though H1N1, which circulated this year and was included in this year's trivalent vaccine, does seem to kill young adults and pregnant women at a much higher rate than other strains, so you never know. But, assuming you aren't a shut-in, you DO interact with people in vulnerable populations. Either directly or because lots of your bugs will hang around after you leave.

Getting your flu shot isn't just about you, it's about being a good member of your community and helping protect those who can't be adequately protected by the vaccine (who are the ones who most need protection from flu.)
 
2014-04-13 11:51:07 AM  
Hello, yes, I have lived this...  if you are GenXer you may have only gotten a single measles immunization, and by the way they weren't that great back then (source:  MA Dept. of Health).  I got the measles during a trip to France in 2011 despite being immunized.  They only started recommending a 2nd measles booster shot in 1990, so check your history and get a booster before you travel to Europe (or, now, various "hot zones" in the US...)

So much more to say but I've posted it on every measles thread for the past 3 years already.  I was immunized, I got the measles anyway, and I also traveled cross-country and you could have interacted with me on Denver Concourse B within a day or two of my being contagious.  I do feel cheated that I failed to start an outbreak, frankly.  But I wouldn't wish the measles on anyone - that experience was not fun.
 
2014-04-13 12:11:12 PM  

dustbunnyboo: The worst thing about skipping your kid's MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps, Rubella), aside from getting or passing along what can be occasionally fatal diseases, is that your decision can maim and kill unborn babies.
Rubella (German Measles) is generally mild, but kills, blinds, mentally retards, and causes serious heart, liver & other organ issues in the baby. Oh, and deafness, miscarriage, and preterm labor.
So, if your kid isn't vaccinated, know that if you get pregnant again, that mild rash he brings home may kill or maim your new baby. Or the baby of anyone else he comes in contact with.
Rubella in utero isn't a 1-in-a-thousand thing, either.
Rubella is such a serious risk that pregnant women can't even get the vaccine - there is no safe exposure level.


I was in sixth grade when the rubella vaccine came out.  I still remember how they separated all the girls and asked who had started their period.  Guess they had to make sure nobody was pregnant.  Later on, they marched us all across the stage and shot us with the stupid air guns.  Fun times!  Still remember kids almost passing out, blood dripping down arms, etc.  Those damn guns were awful.
 
2014-04-13 12:35:42 PM  
This woman would be a blast at an anti-vaccination party.
 
2014-04-13 12:56:39 PM  

whatshisname: Ambivalence: The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.

This statement sort of sums up the level of knowledge that most anti-vaxxers are working with.


Well, that, and this:

Ambivalence: That is just me, but it's not a position of ignorance.

 
2014-04-13 12:58:32 PM  

Ambivalence: Enigmamf: So you're being forced to play russian roulette, and someone offers to take out a few bullets. And you say no because there are still bullets in the gun?

Okay, so there are anti-vaxxers, and apparently there are vaxxer evangelicals and I don't particularly want to be in either group so I'm going to step away from this discussion.

Good night.


"There are only two sides and both sides are bad. Derp."
 
2014-04-13 01:54:12 PM  

jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.


THIS! I'm so sick of this anti-vac bullshiat..excuse me, pro-disease bullshiat.
 
2014-04-13 03:41:29 PM  

Ambivalence: whatshisname: Ambivalence: The day they make a flu vaccine that covers all strains, I will be first in line to get it.

This statement sort of sums up the level of knowledge that most anti-vaxxers are working with.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  I have been vacinated and get regular boosters for almost every commonly vaccinated disease. I have 0 incidents of flu.  That is fairly remarkable considering how common flu is and considering how old I am.  I never even had flu as a child.  A yearly flu shot is not going to give me fewer than 0 incidents of flu, and it could possibly give me more than 0 incidents of flu.

If I ever get my first flu, then I'll start getting vacinated for it. Or when I enter a high risk catagory, then I'll get vaccinated.  Until then, I'm not going to fark with success. The flu vaccine, as it is now, is a craps shoot.  Maybe you get a good one that covers all the strains for the year, maybe you don't.


While yes, it is true that epidemiologist are trying to project which strains will be the most prevalent in a given year (based on global trends), your original post has a few flaws.

1. While there are many strains of the flu virus (not sure if it is dozens, hundreds, or thousands) they are not unrelated.  Immunity to one strain can give partial or total immunity to other strains, depending on the level of mutation.
2. While it is true that it is impossible to predict exactly how each flu season will play out, an epidemic does need a sustainable mass to exist.  So it is not as if some obscure strain from 15 years ago ls likely to pop up out of the blue.
3. The effects of vaccines are cumulative-so while yes, there are many strains out there, once you are vaccinated against one strain, you will stay resistant to that strain for a decent amount of time.

While I understand that you may feel like a flu vaccine is not necessary for you, your reasons are based on several misconceptions.  No, the flu vaccine is not a panacea, but it is a good thing with little downside.
 
2014-04-13 07:39:07 PM  

goatan: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

What magical device do they insert into the bike paths that make it impossible to fall off or makes a collision between bikes impossible?


You are afraid of that?  You probably shouldnt ride a bike.  And definitely shouldnt legislate or create standards for those who are not afraid.
 
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