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(Science Magazine)   In New York City, 22 year old Measles Mary contracted measles and passed it along to four others. Difficulty: all five of these people should have been immune. Measles Mary and two of the others had actually been vaccinated   (news.sciencemag.org) divider line 201
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2014-04-12 08:28:45 PM  
Omfg. Vaccinations don't mean immunity. They mean reaistance. All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria that is one day going to kill us all.
 
2014-04-12 08:41:45 PM  
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT STATISTICS....

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2014-04-12 08:55:17 PM  
Suck it herd people. Why have the vaccines if you can still get the disease?
 
2014-04-12 09:13:37 PM  

we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria


Please proceed.
 
2014-04-12 09:23:56 PM  

Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.


Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.
 
2014-04-12 09:34:50 PM  
I assume the the sheer volume of citations for these claims is just too unwieldy to post all at once.
 
2014-04-12 09:37:14 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Triumph: we'refromthesamestory: All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria

Please proceed.

Antibiotics lower  natural resistance to all diseases and create the superbugs.


*WHOOSH*
 
2014-04-12 09:47:52 PM  
I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.
 
2014-04-12 09:54:51 PM  

Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.


It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.
 
2014-04-12 09:57:41 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.


Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.
 
2014-04-12 10:10:49 PM  

Ambivalence: JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.

Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.


Eh, birthcontrol wasn't so available and there were always  few extra kids around.
 
2014-04-12 10:29:51 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Suck it herd people. Why have the vaccines if you can still get the disease?


Because as they pointed out in the article, she was an outlier, not a common case.  All it means is you may need a booster shot again later in life.  And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.
 
2014-04-12 10:32:27 PM  

Ambivalence: JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.

Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.


Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.
 
2014-04-12 10:33:18 PM  

Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.


I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.
 
2014-04-12 10:34:01 PM  

Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.


Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?
 
2014-04-12 10:39:47 PM  

Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.
 
2014-04-12 10:53:26 PM  

Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.


It was rare, but it did happen.  That is why now (that they have a vaccine) they're telling parents not to have chicken pox parties anymore because the vaccine is safer than contracting the disease.  Any disease can have complications, sometimes fatal.
 
2014-04-12 10:54:34 PM  

Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.


Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.
 
2014-04-12 11:00:35 PM  

Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.


Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?
 
2014-04-12 11:05:37 PM  

Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.


Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).
 
2014-04-12 11:06:14 PM  
Fark vaccinations, antibiotics and all that sciency bullshiat. If you die then you were probably possessed by demons and God put you in your place.
 
2014-04-12 11:07:57 PM  

Frederick: Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.

Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.
 
2014-04-12 11:08:37 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Frederick: I had the measles (and chicken pox) as a kid.  It's not polio or aids.  Quit being pussies.  And take your damn bicycle helmet off, your riding on the farking bike path.

It wasn't uncommon for parents (50-60's) to expose their kids to another that was sick with mumps or chickenpox so they would get it and be immune.
No helmets and setbelts either.
None of us died or had all these bs 'disorders' either.


I've been reading 1920s Popular Mechanics. Everyone could go out and buy a box of dynamite, white lead, and pound of carbide for making acetylene.
 
2014-04-12 11:09:43 PM  

Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.


I was pre-chicken pox vaccine too. One of my classmates got chicken pox in her throat and on the insides of her eyelids. She spent several weeks in the hospital for it.

One of my mother's college friend's husband got chicken pox when he was forty. It nearly killed him and he spent 3 months in the hospital from it.
 
2014-04-12 11:12:51 PM  

Frederick: Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.

Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?


If you don't understand how he answered the question, you  are an idiot.
 
2014-04-12 11:12:59 PM  

LordJiro: And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.


No, I got the point.  I wasnt interested in his point.  I was interested in an answer to the question.
 
2014-04-12 11:13:22 PM  
 Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.
 
2014-04-12 11:13:36 PM  

Ambivalence: Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.

It was rare, but it did happen.  That is why now (that they have a vaccine) they're telling parents not to have chicken pox parties anymore because the vaccine is safer than contracting the disease.  Any disease can have complications, sometimes fatal.


As of the 90s, when it wasn't mandated but had been around for 20 years, you got around 184 deaths a year.  Kid population was around 42 million.  I'll let you decide if that counts as "rare enough" yourself.
 
2014-04-12 11:14:29 PM  
And I farked up the first link; 184 deaths.
 
2014-04-12 11:15:30 PM  
Well, crap.
 
2014-04-12 11:16:10 PM  

Lsherm: Ambivalence: Actually, kids did die (even of chicken pox).  That's kind of why they made the vaccines in the first place.

I was pre-chicken pox vaccine.  If kids were dying, it was very rare.  Chicken-pox parties in the 70's were extremely popular, especially if a patient-zero kid in the neighborhood got it during the summer, because that meant kids wouldn't miss school.  I went to mine in June,1969 with at least ten other kids.  The kid who got it first had a pool at his house, so it was all good as far as we were concerned.

No one died.  And honestly, we were at a far greater risk of drowning than dying of Chicken-pox.


Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!
 
2014-04-12 11:16:25 PM  

we'refromthesamestory: Omfg. Vaccinations don't mean immunity. They mean reaistance. All vaccinations in general are doing is creating superbacteria that is one day going to kill us all.


Résistance is futile.
 
2014-04-12 11:16:28 PM  
I'll just put this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZ QvuCo&app=desktop
 
2014-04-12 11:18:45 PM  
Vaccinations don't make you immune to a disease, with very specific exceptions to this. Film at 11.
 
2014-04-12 11:18:52 PM  

TheBigJerk: And I farked up the first link; 184 deaths.


Out of 4 million.
 
2014-04-12 11:19:34 PM  

TheBigJerk: And I farked up the first link; 184 deaths.


And now they're down to less than 66 deaths a year since the vaccine.  I'd say we're improving, if only by a little.
 
2014-04-12 11:20:27 PM  
All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.
 
2014-04-12 11:20:59 PM  

Frederick: Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).


Jesus Christ, what do you work for Fox news?  "No one I knew ever died of measels."

According to wikipedia the moratlity rate for measels is approx 3 per 1000 cases.

Whooping cough: (also wikipedia) "It is currently estimated that the disease annually affects 48.5 million people worldwide, resulting in nearly 295,000 deaths"

Chicken pox: (CDC website, referring to pre-vaccination days) "In the early 1990s, an average of 4 million people got chickenpox, 10,500 to 13,000 were hospitalized (range, 8,000 to 18,000), and 100 to 150 died each year."

It doesn't sound like many, until it's your kid or family member.
 
2014-04-12 11:21:22 PM  
I was vaccinated for both kinds of measles as a kid and caught both anyway. Both were really mild cases. In one case I didn't have any symptoms at all other than a mild rash, and it didn't itch or anything. I felt fine but didn't have to go to school. I think I got to eat pancakes and watch TV. It was my favorite sickness of all time, except for maybe GWAR.
 
2014-04-12 11:22:10 PM  

jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.


That - and my aunt lost vision in one eye from it.
 
2014-04-12 11:22:19 PM  
Not getting vaccinated is like driving drunk: you think you're safe, but you endanger yourself and everyone around you. Unfortunately, only one of these is illegal.
 
2014-04-12 11:22:52 PM  

brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!


Meh, they have a vaccine now!
 
2014-04-12 11:23:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-12 11:23:46 PM  

brilett: Wait till you get shingles. You'll love it!


My parents get sometimes quite nasty outbreaks of shingles.

Glad my generation had chicken pox vaccine, versus having to deal with THAT in my old age.
 
2014-04-12 11:24:19 PM  

Frederick: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).


Well, here's a story where a kid did die:

"Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy, " she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead."

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.

That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.


~Roald Dahl

But hey...

On one side we have almost every single doctor, immunologist and epidemiologist in the world, with millions of collective years of experience and studies involving millions upon millions of adults and children from countries across the globe, spanning decades and in some cases looking at every person in the countries population in decades long experiments.

On the other side we have a former playboy centerfold with a high school education and a tiny, misquoted, and flawed study that didn't even claim to link the MMR vaccine to autism.

Welp - too tough to choose, better risk Junior getting killed by an easily preventable illness than opt for vaccination.
 
2014-04-12 11:26:35 PM  

Frederick: Ambivalence: Frederick: Good thing we got rid of all those cars killing children.

Cars are a lot safer for children than they used to be.  That whole frakas about requiring back up cameras is specificly intended to protect children.

Is that true?  I dont know the statistics.  I did just read about a kid getting killed by a car yesterday though.  Havent read about a kid getting killed by measles (although I did just read a story about measles where no one died).


Are you farking insane? Measles results in a 1:1000 case chance of being permanently disabled secondary to measles encephalopathy. If we stopped vaccinating, 2.7  Million children would die a year. Rate of death is 1:4500
 
2014-04-12 11:26:53 PM  

LordJiro: Frederick: Lsherm: Frederick: Lsherm: And you'll probably need a booster shot because idiots won't vaccinate their kids, thus making the risk of exposure exponentially higher because of stupid.

Arent those the exact people you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

Do you not understand why vaccines work?  It's not a "personal" decision.  It gets worse with more people who don't get vaccinated.  They don't just kill or infect themselves, they expose more risk to everyone in the pool.

Thats hardly an answer to the question.

Arent the "idiots" "because of stupid" the ones you'd like to see eliminated from the gene pool?

And you missed the point of his answer. They don't just take THEMSELVES out of the gene pool. They put other people at risk. Even people who have been vaccinated.


meh, it's like cutting out a cancer. you gotta get some of the good to make damn sure you got all the bad.
 
2014-04-12 11:27:12 PM  

jmcgeathy: All of you people talking about how your parents intentionally exposed you to chicken pox as a kid and it didn't kill you can thank them when you get shingles and wish you were dead. That chicken pox virus is in your body lying dormant and later in life will wake back up, latch onto nerve cells and will cause you more pain then you've ever experienced.

Enjoy.

Also, every case of measles is a chance for the virus to mutant inside the host then spread in a form that the vaccines the rest of us got can't defend against. So.. you're putting everyone at risk. Everyone. These diseases can and do kill people and who knows how deadly a mutated version will be. So.. thanks.


Good farking Christ, there wasn't a vaccine for it when we were kids, and getting chickenpox as an adult for the first time is far worse than getting a case of shingles after you've already have chickenpox as a kid.  Sure, getting a vaccine is infinitely preferable, but since it wasn't available, pox parties were the best option.  Bonus?  You can still get the vaccine today even if you had chickenpox as a kid.
 
2014-04-12 11:27:35 PM  

27B-6: Vaccines don't always work the first time you get them, and not all vaccines work well on everyoby. Immunity can also wear off after several years.
This is why it's important to have titers performed regularly.
A titer is a test where they take some of your blood to see if you actually have working antibodies against a disease.


Is that a test commonly covered by insurance?
 
2014-04-12 11:28:40 PM  

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