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(Jalopnik)   Missouri plans to deter speeders by blasting 153 decibels of sound at them. What could go wrong?   (jalopnik.com) divider line 112
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2014-04-12 07:22:19 PM
I can see the lawyers lining up for the ensuing lawsuits now. Sudden loud noise startles a speeding driver and CRASH! Or, even better.....CARDIAC ARREST.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-12 08:09:09 PM
If you are startled by the sound and swerve into a FedEx truck knocking it into a bus full of school children, I will vote to hold MoDOT responsible if I am on your jury. But note that I don't live in Missouri and have never been selected to serve on any jury, so you might need a backup plan. Maybe a loudspeaker on top of your truck to shout back.  Or noise cancelling headphones.
 
2014-04-12 11:17:43 PM
I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.
 
2014-04-13 12:11:59 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.


LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.
 
2014-04-13 12:29:41 AM

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.



That still won't prevent people from freaking out when loud sounds are blasted at their moving vehicles. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
2014-04-13 01:21:59 AM
I'm guessing nothing, because most speeders are already driving with their bass amps cranking at 180 dbs and/or their headphones in.
 
2014-04-13 01:24:03 AM
Missouri plans to pay a metric fark-ton of settlements in lawsuits for hearing loss.

153 decibels? What are you, stupid, evil or both?
 
2014-04-13 01:29:34 AM
If there's a warning in the area, I don't see the problem. Want to keep your hearing? Don't speed
 
2014-04-13 01:29:42 AM
Might kill a lot of texters.
 
2014-04-13 01:31:44 AM
I heard they tried something like this up at Penn State in the 80's.

They put the rumble strips in spaces to simulate voices saying danger and slow down when you drove over it. Turns out, it just scared the shiat out of people and they usually drove right off the road.
 
2014-04-13 01:33:04 AM

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.


As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?
 
2014-04-13 01:34:17 AM
Countermeasures:

img580.imageshack.us
 
2014-04-13 01:37:01 AM
I just want to steal the noise makers and aim them at churches.
 
2014-04-13 01:37:54 AM
For anyone who thinks this is not a big deal, 150 decibels is enough to rupture eardrums. 153 decibels is roughly twice as loud.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm
 
2014-04-13 01:38:14 AM

ZAZ: have never been selected to serve on any jury


I've been on a jury in a criminal trial.  I was called for jury duty for a civil trial regarding a traffic accident.  I said I believed that in a traffic accident someone was usually at fault and they got rid of me as fast as they could.

If I had to guess, I'd say it was the lawyer for whoever was at fault in that accident was the one who struck me as a juror.
 
2014-04-13 01:38:49 AM
In the last two years, my local paper has reported a "campus rapist preying on drunk undergrads"

1) Local law enforcement has busted hundreds for pot - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
2) Stopped and cited thousands for speeding - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
3) Given hundreds of bullshiat citations - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?

The local media is dead-on-arrival, they are completely bought off by whatever political party has the most money, and they'll keep their mouth shut and take their check.
 
2014-04-13 01:40:32 AM

picturescrazy: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.

As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?


Acoustics aren't EM, they're a mechanical wave. They'll never be as focused as lasers.

I'll bet they use several frequencies to combine at the target point in a burst of high energy interference while just being a moderate volume everywhere else. Maybe even infrasound.
 
2014-04-13 01:41:34 AM

picturescrazy: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.

As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?


That's what I was wondering. If someone were driving the speed limit and got passed by a speeder at the right time, would they drive straight into the directional sound?
 
2014-04-13 01:42:33 AM

doglover: picturescrazy: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.

As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?

Acoustics aren't EM, they're a mechanical wave. They'll never be as focused as lasers.

I'll bet they use several frequencies to combine at the target point in a burst of high energy interference while just being a moderate volume everywhere else. Maybe even infrasound.


I know they don't work that way. That was my point. It doesn't matter that they're directional, they're going to hit a lot more than their target car.
 
2014-04-13 01:43:09 AM
And people definitely won't just drive faster to get away from the noise.
 
2014-04-13 01:44:59 AM

The Pope of Manwich Village: Countermeasures:

[img580.imageshack.us image 400x344]


I wish that could be deployed at highway speeds,  the next tailgater would be in for a nasty surprise


/Thinking the intro to "we will rock you" would do nicely
 
2014-04-13 01:47:12 AM

zarker: If there's a warning in the area, I don't see the problem. Want to keep your hearing? Don't speed


Unless someone who IS speeding passes you in the same zone.

What color is your wool?
 
2014-04-13 01:48:09 AM
Why don't they blast 50,000
50,000
50,000 watts of funkin'
 
2014-04-13 01:50:15 AM
I'm tempted to call late April Fools on this one just due to the potential liability.

Do they simply set it up at the worksite to blast the entire oncoming highway any time there's a speeding vehicle on radar?  Or does LRAD have pinpoint accuracy?  Can the system track and target a specific vehicle?

What about nearby homeowners and businesses in the line of fire?  Or vehicles traveling in the other direction who happen to be in the line of fire?   Do they all get blasted also?

I can't wait for the first lawsuit involving a driver who was startled into a serious accident.  Especially one who was incorrectly targeted.  I've heard of logs maintained by dash-mount GPS units being used in court to successfully fight speeding tickets.  Seems like such a log might be useful here also.
 
2014-04-13 01:52:54 AM
Arrowhead fans laugh, try to break the record.
 
2014-04-13 01:53:46 AM
They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.
 
2014-04-13 01:58:02 AM

WhoopAssWayne: They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.


succeed?

Really?
 
2014-04-13 01:58:30 AM
Oh...and I can't wait for one of these things to get hacked...

"This is Jesus..."
 
2014-04-13 01:58:49 AM
How is this even legal? Why not mist muriatic acid in the air? That's harmless too. Those barrels and cones are f-ing muricans. They apply asphalt for your freedom.
 
2014-04-13 01:59:37 AM

WhoopAssWayne: In the last two years, my local paper has reported a "campus rapist preying on drunk undergrads"

1) Local law enforcement has busted hundreds for pot - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
2) Stopped and cited thousands for speeding - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
3) Given hundreds of bullshiat citations - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?

The local media is dead-on-arrival, they are completely bought off by whatever political party has the most money, and they'll keep their mouth shut and take their check.


Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.
 
2014-04-13 02:00:14 AM
/LOUD NOISES
 
2014-04-13 02:01:21 AM

gfid: succeed?


*sigh* Good Lord Sweetie, we were talking about barbecue.

Would you like to re-read what you responded too and respond with something intelligence next time?

Damn.
 
2014-04-13 02:01:31 AM

gfid: WhoopAssWayne: They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.

succeed?

Really?


Yup, much kinder and gentler than seceding
 
2014-04-13 02:02:12 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.


I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.
 
2014-04-13 02:04:37 AM

WhoopAssWayne: They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.


It's just BBQ. You don't have to eat it.
 
2014-04-13 02:05:24 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.


Probably in YOUR house - along with MARYJUANA - and common sense and stuff.
 
2014-04-13 02:06:04 AM

doglover: I heard they tried something like this up at Penn State in the 80's.

They put the rumble strips in spaces to simulate voices saying danger and slow down when you drove over it. Turns out, it just scared the shiat out of people and they usually drove right off the road.


So why wasn't this adopted nationwide, again?
 
2014-04-13 02:08:10 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: It's just BBQ. You don't have to eat it.


Abusing meat in that fashion will NOT go unchallenged Good Sir!
 
2014-04-13 02:09:46 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.


Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.
 
2014-04-13 02:09:54 AM
It would be just as practical and safer to install speed governors in cars that can be controlled by the DOT road crews. In the event that someone figures out how to hack the system, guided missiles will destroy that particular vehicle. As an extra precaution, every car should have tires with an incorporated explosive device that can be detonated by the road crew, for use in emergencies.
 
2014-04-13 02:10:07 AM
I feel really bad for the guy in the right lane, the one who's not speeding, when I just happen to be right next to him in the process of speeding by and he gets blasted right along with me. I wonder which of us will slam into the other first. Poor guy, he was just driving along minding the speed limit, not doing anything wrong.
 
2014-04-13 02:10:14 AM

fusillade762: And people definitely won't just drive faster to get away from the noise.


That would just cause the frequency to change slightly.
 
2014-04-13 02:10:21 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Mid_mo_mad_man: It's just BBQ. You don't have to eat it.

Abusing meat in that fashion will NOT go unchallenged Good Sir!


Hey. Sorry your taste buds are too unrefined to appreciate good barbecue and the wonderful sauce that makes it.
 
2014-04-13 02:11:26 AM
Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?
 
2014-04-13 02:11:45 AM
These LRADs won't last an hour.  Hopefully the first startled driver at the first deployment will spin out and destroy the unit and the guy that runs the project.  Two birds, one Buick.
 
2014-04-13 02:14:33 AM

Fista-Phobia: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.

Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.


Considering they are working next to heavy machinery and highway traffic I doubt it would be that pronounced.
 
2014-04-13 02:14:40 AM

picturescrazy: Hey. Sorry your taste buds are too unrefined to appreciate good barbecue and the wonderful sauce that makes it.


LoL - Ohio? Hahah - Bro, you are going to have to fill in some blanks here. I'm opened minded, but damn, Ohio. Give me a reason, bro.
 
2014-04-13 02:15:12 AM

TerminalEchoes: Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?


What if Cletus decides to turn on the LRAD because he wants to discuss last night's WWF Raw or whatever event that is instead of doing the Patriot's work?
 
2014-04-13 02:20:22 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fista-Phobia: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.

Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.

Considering they are working next to heavy machinery and highway traffic I doubt it would be that pronounced.


ook. Um... Jesus will watch over me and guide me when I am blind.
 
2014-04-13 02:28:42 AM
I would not want to live anywhere near a road construction site
 
2014-04-13 02:30:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: I'm guessing nothing, because most speeders are already driving with their bass amps cranking at 180 dbs and/or their headphones in.


Living in suburban St. Louis, I haven't noticed much of a bass amp problem since the 90's.  And I guess the Country music and Rush fans in the rural areas don't get much of that.

Anyway, this story sounds like collective corporal punishment.
 
2014-04-13 02:32:22 AM
Hey!  If I were an automotive engineer right now, I'd start designing a car that can block noises up to say, 190 or 200 decibles and then make it standard equipment and charge more $$$$$!
 
2014-04-13 02:32:38 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fista-Phobia: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.

Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.

Considering they are working next to heavy machinery and highway traffic I doubt it would be that pronounced.


Two 80 decibel trucks don't make 160 decibels. 128 is still huge and would be a horrible problem for the workers.
 
2014-04-13 02:41:05 AM
i948.photobucket.com

WHAT?
 
2014-04-13 02:42:19 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Hey!  If I were an automotive engineer right now, I'd start designing a car that can block noises up to say, 190 or 200 decibles and then make it standard equipment and charge more $$$$$!


It'd be like driving around in an anechoic chamber!
 
2014-04-13 02:48:17 AM

arcas: Oh...and I can't wait for one of these things to get hacked...

"This is Jesus..."


And from now on, stop playing with yourself.
 
2014-04-13 02:53:14 AM

ciberido: arcas: Oh...and I can't wait for one of these things to get hacked...

"This is Jesus..."

And from now on, stop playing with yourself.


i1199.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-13 03:00:58 AM
Man On Pink Corner:  Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.

I hope the cops nail him.
 
2014-04-13 03:06:18 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.


That still won't prevent people from freaking out when loud sounds are blasted at their moving vehicles. This is a disaster waiting to happen.


I know I'd freak. I mean, I'm overcautious about construction sites as it is, and if I happened to be in the line of fire of one of those things... when I was already tense about the driving situation... that would be, um, bad.

Glad I'm not from Missouri. Guess they'll be showing us how well the system works.

/Or doesn't.
 
2014-04-13 03:12:09 AM

Fista-Phobia: TerminalEchoes: Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?

What if Cletus decides to turn on the LRAD because he wants to discuss last night's WWF Raw or whatever event that is instead of doing the Patriot's work?


Heh, you can play whatever you want over LRAD?

I want to aim this at my neighbor's house, just for fun.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DON-4ZubYbg

And I want to do it about 3 AM.  They'll never know what hit them.

Just enough to make their ears bleed
 
2014-04-13 03:13:40 AM
Why are we even here? The comments in TFA rock the house.

We are small men.

Go on about your business, now...
 
2014-04-13 03:14:21 AM

Trid_Kicker: Man On Pink Corner:  Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.

I hope the cops nail him.


[seewhatyoudidthere.jpg]
 
2014-04-13 03:17:40 AM

gfid: Fista-Phobia: TerminalEchoes: Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?

What if Cletus decides to turn on the LRAD because he wants to discuss last night's WWF Raw or whatever event that is instead of doing the Patriot's work?

Heh, you can play whatever you want over LRAD?

I want to aim this at my neighbor's house, just for fun.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DON-4ZubYbg

And I want to do it about 3 AM.  They'll never know what hit them.

Just enough to make their ears bleed


Word.
 
2014-04-13 03:31:12 AM

Fista-Phobia: Word.


If I'm going to hit them with Rush, it's going to have to be 2112
I might need two LRADs to get the full stereo effect though.
 
2014-04-13 03:56:22 AM
This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.
 
2014-04-13 04:04:07 AM
153 mothafarkin decibels!?! According to teh instanets, a 12 gauge shotgun blast is rated at 145-165 decibels. I feel sorry for anyone that lives within a mile of this hellish thing. Imagine trying to sleep through random 12 gauge blasts 24/7/365.

/This has got to be a hoax.
 
2014-04-13 04:06:01 AM

sethstorm: This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.


Their  Mustangs the Hipo uses are kick ass though.

fc03.deviantart.net
 
2014-04-13 04:20:57 AM

Bigdogdaddy: sethstorm: This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.

Their  Mustangs the Hipo uses are kick ass though.

[fc03.deviantart.net image 850x536]


At least that looks like a cop car.  I was checking out the new paint job and stealth light bars that my city has just purchased.  The light bar looks like a typical luggage rack until you're close to it and from the back or the front it doesn't look like a cop car either.

It's okay though - I usually stick to the speed limit and I always stop for stop signs and traffic lights.  They're not out to get me.

Does that really say "Drive Safe Or Die" on the fender?  Tell it like it is, LVPD.  Is there a Las Vegas, Missouri?
 
2014-04-13 04:38:06 AM

Bigdogdaddy: sethstorm: This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.

Their  Mustangs the Hipo uses are kick ass though.

[fc03.deviantart.net image 850x536]


The local police here have cars that look somewhat similar.. but with ramming bumpers up front about a foot thick.  Dodge Chargers, perhaps.
 
2014-04-13 04:40:40 AM
Civilized countries just use speed cameras and heavy fines.
 
2014-04-13 04:43:04 AM

sethstorm: This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.


The Highway Patrol does have F150's. They are mainly used by the officers enforcing weight limits.
 
2014-04-13 05:24:11 AM
Jeeze.  Highway department thought they had problems with red light cameras and speed cameras getting shot up?  There'll be folks sniping these things  all day...and getting cheered for it.
 
2014-04-13 05:47:22 AM
Small problem with this little device: energy reflects until attenuated. So that  massive burst of sound is going to reflect off of every surface it hits (some will come through and alert the driver) and go in some direction. I would guess that the makers of this designed if for modern sedans, so they think this extra energy will be sent harmlessly into the sky...WRONG!

This is going to hit an SUV or a sports car and go who know where. Back at the workers? Over to another hard surface and back into traffic?

\the fail here is strong
\\and not just in the engineering
\\\but in the lack of public education that would let the bureaucrats approve this
 
2014-04-13 05:59:10 AM
Quick, someone get an LRAD to just give off the Brown Note at 153 dB. "Congratulations, you were speeding. Did baby make boom-boom in him pants?"

/Yes, I know there's no "brown note"
//But the idea is priceless
 
2014-04-13 06:03:39 AM
gozar_the_destroyer:
\\\but in the lack of public education that would let the bureaucrats approve this

You know, it's sad, but I wish bureaucrats had oversight of MODOT.  In most states, highway commissioners are elected from, you know, people who drive the highways in question.  In MO, they are appointed by the governor, and the only legal requirement they have is a 15 minute meeting with the gov once a year.  Other than that, they're pretty much answerable to nobody and can do whatever the hell they want.  Note that "whatever they want" includes crap like this instead of actually fixing the damn roads.

/Bunch of corrupt asshats
 
2014-04-13 06:10:59 AM

picturescrazy: For anyone who thinks this is not a big deal, 150 decibels is enough to rupture eardrums. 153 decibels is roughly twice as loud.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm


wouldn't harm me, I'm deaf :D
 
2014-04-13 06:42:02 AM

gfid: Bigdogdaddy: sethstorm: This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.

Their  Mustangs the Hipo uses are kick ass though.

[fc03.deviantart.net image 850x536]

At least that looks like a cop car.  I was checking out the new paint job and stealth light bars that my city has just purchased.  The light bar looks like a typical luggage rack until you're close to it and from the back or the front it doesn't look like a cop car either.

It's okay though - I usually stick to the speed limit and I always stop for stop signs and traffic lights.  They're not out to get me.

Does that really say "Drive Safe Or Die" on the fender?  Tell it like it is, LVPD.  Is there a Las Vegas, Missouri?


No, I just couldn't find a picture of the Missouri police cars.  Sorry for the false advertizement  :)
 
2014-04-13 06:43:49 AM

archnem: gozar_the_destroyer:
\\\but in the lack of public education that would let the bureaucrats approve thisYou know, it's sad, but I wish bureaucrats had oversight of MODOT.  In most states, highway commissioners are elected from, you know, people who drive the highways in question.  In MO, they are appointed by the governor, and the only legal requirement they have is a 15 minute meeting with the gov once a year.  Other than that, they're pretty much answerable to nobody and can do whatever the hell they want.  Note that "whatever they want" includes crap like this instead of actually fixing the damn roads./Bunch of corrupt asshats


Could be worse, it could be like Washington State where only the head of the DOT is appointed by the Governor. Unless there is criminalliability involved, the workers under them are immune. This is why we have exits from freeways on the left hand side in several high traffic areas. And some that have exits and on-ramps only 100ft.apart and connected. Good luck merging with that in traffic! But wait, there's more...

The head of DOT then hires 'traffic engineers' for each of the road districts to manage and design the roads. If there isn't a qualified candidate for a district a worker supervisor is assigned for maintenance and winter snow/ice clearance. Any road projects for the lacking district are sent to the most senior neighboring district 'traffic engineer'.


This resulted in a county I lived in in the nineties having the best winter road conditions regardless of weather and good maintenance but have completely idiotic traffic changes. The district that had the traffic engineer in it that was covering ours had horrible maintenance and mediocre winter snow/ice removal. However, since the engineer lived in a major city that had a couple of nasty intersections and really bad downtown traffic/bad entering traffic, a plan was created and implemented that solved 90% of the traffic problems in that city within 2 years. Some of the remaining plan has taken an additional decade to complete, but that city is pretty fast and easy to drive in now. Meanwhile, my city still has grid-locking intersections from bad lights (no intercommunication or intelligence to the system) and intersections that need full redesign/partial expansion to handle the volume that has appeared due to the population increasing by 20% over the past decade.

\we got a 'traffic engineer' 7 years ago
\\they had the minimum requirements
\\\master civil engineering degree and the head of DOT hiring them, no exp. needed
 
2014-04-13 06:45:13 AM

Man On Pink Corner: WhoopAssWayne: In the last two years, my local paper has reported a "campus rapist preying on drunk undergrads"

1) Local law enforcement has busted hundreds for pot - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
2) Stopped and cited thousands for speeding - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
3) Given hundreds of bullshiat citations - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?

The local media is dead-on-arrival, they are completely bought off by whatever political party has the most money, and they'll keep their mouth shut and take their check.

Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.


They should team up to be come a dream team.  One rapes or they can both rape.  Then they hammer the girls to death so no witness.
 
2014-04-13 07:03:59 AM

WhoopAssWayne: gfid: succeed?

*sigh* Good Lord Sweetie, we were talking about barbecue.

Would you like to re-read what you responded too and respond with something intelligence next time?

Damn.


God damn you're dumb as shiat..
 
2014-04-13 07:11:40 AM
Don't forget that decibel is a logarithmic scale.  130db is enough to cause permanent hearing damage.  153db is many thousands of times louder than that.  Anyone inside the target car will become deaf.  People in the cars near it will also become deaf.  The highway workers this is supposed to protect will become deaf as well.

I bet the all powerful sign language lobby is behind this!
 
2014-04-13 07:17:19 AM

Bigdogdaddy: sethstorm: This is the same state that uses black unmarked F150's for revenue enhancement.

Their  Mustangs the Hipo uses are kick ass though.

[fc03.deviantart.net image 850x536]


I read the logo over the front tire as "Drive, shoot, and die"

It seemed oddly appropriate for the LAPD
 
2014-04-13 07:26:57 AM
I'm going to mount my own similar device on my car that samples the incoming sound and plays back the inverted wave at similar anplitude... et voila, noise cancellation biatches.
 
2014-04-13 07:27:27 AM

Joe Peanut: Don't forget that decibel is a logarithmic scale.  130db is enough to cause permanent hearing damage.  153db is many thousands of times louder than that.  Anyone inside the target car will become deaf.  People in the cars near it will also become deaf.  The highway workers this is supposed to protect will become deaf as well.

I bet the all powerful sign language lobby is behind this!


I'm sure this was mentioned already, but the LRADs are directional. they project the loud part of the sound in a cone.  Behind, or off to the side, and you don't need/only require minimal hearing protection. And the reason it's loud is because it's designed to project the sound over long distances. Yeah if you stick your ear to the panel, you're gonna get 153 db. 300 feet out, in a car it would get your attention, but you're not gonna have that same sound level. And just because it *can* project at 153db, doesn't mean they are going to use it at that level. They might only turn it up to 9 or 10 instead of 11.

Source: I watched a thing about it on Modern Marvels, making me an expert on this system.
 
2014-04-13 07:31:18 AM
I can see a focused death ray beam, but something noisy just to scare the crap out of you isn't right.
 
2014-04-13 07:34:07 AM

MythDragon: Joe Peanut: Don't forget that decibel is a logarithmic scale.  130db is enough to cause permanent hearing damage.  153db is many thousands of times louder than that.  Anyone inside the target car will become deaf.  People in the cars near it will also become deaf.  The highway workers this is supposed to protect will become deaf as well.

I bet the all powerful sign language lobby is behind this!

I'm sure this was mentioned already, but the LRADs are directional. they project the loud part of the sound in a cone.  Behind, or off to the side, and you don't need/only require minimal hearing protection. And the reason it's loud is because it's designed to project the sound over long distances. Yeah if you stick your ear to the panel, you're gonna get 153 db. 300 feet out, in a car it would get your attention, but you're not gonna have that same sound level. And just because it *can* project at 153db, doesn't mean they are going to use it at that level. They might only turn it up to 9 or 10 instead of 11.

Source: I watched a thing about it on Modern Marvels, making me an expert on this system.



Directional P-waves reflect off of hard surfaces like glass windows really well.


Hear's a thought, why not make the whole vehicle move suddenly up and then down really fast? Heck, you might even be able to make it damage the vehicle severely if it is going too fast. But how to do that?...
 
2014-04-13 07:45:59 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: MythDragon: Joe Peanut: Don't forget that decibel is a logarithmic scale.  130db is enough to cause permanent hearing damage.  153db is many thousands of times louder than that.  Anyone inside the target car will become deaf.  People in the cars near it will also become deaf.  The highway workers this is supposed to protect will become deaf as well.

I bet the all powerful sign language lobby is behind this!

I'm sure this was mentioned already, but the LRADs are directional. they project the loud part of the sound in a cone.  Behind, or off to the side, and you don't need/only require minimal hearing protection. And the reason it's loud is because it's designed to project the sound over long distances. Yeah if you stick your ear to the panel, you're gonna get 153 db. 300 feet out, in a car it would get your attention, but you're not gonna have that same sound level. And just because it *can* project at 153db, doesn't mean they are going to use it at that level. They might only turn it up to 9 or 10 instead of 11.

Source: I watched a thing about it on Modern Marvels, making me an expert on this system.


Directional P-waves reflect off of hard surfaces like glass windows really well.


And steel body panels.  If they were aiming at a group of rioters for example, human body parts don't reflect sound waves.  But cars do.  Even if it didn't, you're going to cause permanent hearing damage to everyone in the car, including children, babies and pets, just because the driver decided to be a dick?
 
2014-04-13 08:35:44 AM
Think of it as...

www.insoc.com.br

A Million Watts of Love.
 
2014-04-13 08:53:09 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.


That still won't prevent people from freaking out when loud sounds are blasted at their moving vehicles. This is a disaster waiting to happen.


So, if you hear a loud noise when driving, and you're not sure what it is, your first instinct is to blindly swerve. or make other dangerous manoeuvres?

I mean, I had this exact thing happen to me the other day. Driving a van with a bunch of light stuff in the back. Turned a corner, the stuff in the back slides around, making an unexpected noise. Not approaching 153 dB of course, but still, you focus on your driving and let the rest of your brain figure out WTF that noise was.

WhoopAssWayne: In the last two years, my local paper has reported a "campus rapist preying on drunk undergrads"

1) Local law enforcement has busted hundreds for pot - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
2) Stopped and cited thousands for speeding - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
3) Given hundreds of bullshiat citations - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?


Yes, because it's a true fact that law enforcement must ignore all other crimes when a serious crime has been committed.

Also, all law enforcement agents are trained to a level where they are able to work on the worst cases. It's not as if there are different parts of police forces - I mean, if they existed they might call them departments - where the less promising officers could be posted.

One such department - if such crazy notions existed - might be dedicated to dealing with traffic violations, for example.

The local media is dead-on-arrival, they are completely bought off by whatever political party has the most money, and they'll keep their mouth shut and take their check.

The important thing is that they haven't caught you yet.
 
2014-04-13 08:55:44 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: MythDragon: Joe Peanut: Don't forget that decibel is a logarithmic scale.  130db is enough to cause permanent hearing damage.  153db is many thousands of times louder than that.  Anyone inside the target car will become deaf.  People in the cars near it will also become deaf.  The highway workers this is supposed to protect will become deaf as well.

I bet the all powerful sign language lobby is behind this!

I'm sure this was mentioned already, but the LRADs are directional. they project the loud part of the sound in a cone.  Behind, or off to the side, and you don't need/only require minimal hearing protection. And the reason it's loud is because it's designed to project the sound over long distances. Yeah if you stick your ear to the panel, you're gonna get 153 db. 300 feet out, in a car it would get your attention, but you're not gonna have that same sound level. And just because it *can* project at 153db, doesn't mean they are going to use it at that level. They might only turn it up to 9 or 10 instead of 11.

Source: I watched a thing about it on Modern Marvels, making me an expert on this system.


Directional P-waves reflect off of hard surfaces like glass windows really well.


Hear's a thought, why not make the whole vehicle move suddenly up and then down really fast? Heck, you might even be able to make it damage the vehicle severely if it is going too fast. But how to do that?...



www.arkade.com.br

Some pop-up bollards will cause the vehicle to move up and down very suddenly and damage it quite nicely. Definitatly grab your attention.
 
2014-04-13 09:13:56 AM
Fight back.

gameinformer.com

Well, I'm gonna raise a fuss
I'm gonna raise a holler
 
2014-04-13 09:19:14 AM
Step 1: Buy shiatty car
Step 2: Crash car due to noise
Step 3: ........
Step 4: Profit
 
2014-04-13 09:45:39 AM
BeerBear:

wouldn't harm me, I'm deaf :D

So as a hearing American, I am being discriminated against.  I'M TIRED OF DEAF AMERICANS GETTING ALL THESE SPECIAL RIGHTS.
 
2014-04-13 09:51:03 AM

BeerBear: picturescrazy: For anyone who thinks this is not a big deal, 150 decibels is enough to rupture eardrums. 153 decibels is roughly twice as loud.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm

wouldn't harm me, I'm deaf :D


What!
 
2014-04-13 10:08:57 AM
WHAT??!!??  I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I LOST MY HEARING TO HARD ROCK AND JET ENGINES...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-13 10:27:12 AM
A wave can be focussed into a beam with divergence angle on the order of (wavelength / source width). Suppose you have a 300 Hz signal and a 3 meter emitter. The wavelength is 1 meter. The divergence angle is around 1/3 radian, within a small constant factor. That is too big to target a single car.

The emitter does not have to be a single object. Astronomers routinely make observations with radio telescopes spaced 10,000 km apart acting as a single antenna. ("VLBI") If MoDOT has a big array of death ray speakers they might be able to pick out one car. But I doubt they have the ability to track one car at 75 mph.

In the Northeast if they want people to drive slowly through work zones they use a pace car. Maine has done this. Massachusetts doesn't think speed really matters.

filter

Missouri cities have been using speed cameras, but only for revenue. The systems will shut down unless the legislature saves them. The cameras send a bill the the owner will no other consequences. That violates state law classifying speeding as a moving violation. The driver is responsible and gets license points on conviction.

When you tell local politicians that people will start losing their licenses and paying more for insurance if they break the law, they stop liking cameras as much.
 
2014-04-13 10:29:39 AM
All fun and games until you are the one that gets nailed because the jackass passing you is speeding.
 
2014-04-13 10:45:21 AM
Why not just play Justin Bieber @ high volume? Everybody will slow down!
 
2014-04-13 10:56:37 AM
Why not use claymore mines?  You could blast the speeding car right off the highway and tear the occupants into pieces, solving that pesky speed problem once and for all.
 
2014-04-13 11:09:10 AM
Or they could just put up a cheap sign instead:
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-04-13 11:37:12 AM
Or maybe they could use that money to teach construction workers not to walk out into traffic.  Yes it usually is their fault when they die.

/butbutbut workin mans!
 
2014-04-13 12:14:04 PM

geek_mars: I feel really bad for the guy in the right lane, the one who's not speeding, when I just happen to be right next to him in the process of speeding by and he gets blasted right along with me. I wonder which of us will slam into the other first. Poor guy, he was just driving along minding the speed limit, not doing anything wrong.


If you had not been committing a crime, 'Poor guy' would be fine.  So it's your insurance, another nick on your driving  record, a fine for speeding and anything up to homocide, depending on 'Poor guy's outcome.

Everything bad that happens is your fault, citizen.

/cop think
//D.A. think
///state government think
////revenue enhancement when they sieze all your property, evicting your wife and kids
//b...b...but Federal government/BLM/Obama/Washington/BoogityboogityBOOOOOOO!!!
 
2014-04-13 12:14:52 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I just want to steal the noise makers and aim them at churches.


Payback for those crappy bells, or fake bells being broadcast over loudspeakers.
 
2014-04-13 01:45:17 PM
They live in Missouri...how much worse can it get for them?
 
2014-04-13 02:07:59 PM

Fista-Phobia: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.

Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.


My car was roughly 130db inside driving down the highway before I lined the back with blankets and stuff to reduce the echo-chamber effect.  The only downside of hatchbacks is that it directs all sound right at the driver's ears.

/still passes the 96db at 50 yards test that our club has
 
2014-04-13 02:09:56 PM
153? I put a Stebel air horn on my Outlander, I didn't like the wimpy horns of today. Only used it a couple of times. Louder than a firetruck siren. Normally, someone cuts you off or acts like an idiot, they pay no attention to a normal horn, but a dose of this, and they almost shiat themselves trying to figure out what's going on. I was so impressed, I bought another one for my motorcycle. Haven't used that one. Hey, on 50 bucks through the mail, doesn't look at all like those plastic pep boys horns. Stebel.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/stebel-nautilus-compact-dual-tone-mot or cycle-air-horn-12-volt-139-db-black-or-chrome
 
2014-04-13 02:11:58 PM

TerminalEchoes: Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?


I largely view speed limits as more of a tax on the unwary more than anything, because the limits are set way artificially low...  with two exceptions:  Surface streets (because pedestrians and children playing and unstable traffic) and road construction (because workers and trucks entering/exiting and stuff).
 
2014-04-13 02:24:24 PM
This is what you get when you hand non-lethal deterrents to police - they're misused. Tasers, so we don't have to kill people? Heck, we use those as "easy buttons" on everyone from jaywalkers to mental patients. LRADs, so we don't have to shoot into a crowd of rioters? Heck, we use those on possible speeders, just to scare 'em!
 
2014-04-13 02:25:53 PM

doglover: I heard they tried something like this up at Penn State in the 80's.

They put the rumble strips in spaces to simulate voices saying danger and slow down when you drove over it. Turns out, it just scared the shiat out of people and they usually drove right off the road.


So it worked.
 
2014-04-13 08:36:18 PM
I don't understand how it could be legal to make noises loud enough to cause permanent hearing loss - even if that loss is only partial. It is illegal to punch someone, even though they can heal completely. For many people, no amount of lawsuit money in the world could make up for a life deprived of music and sound.
 
2014-04-13 10:52:24 PM

kidakita: I can see the lawyers lining up for the ensuing lawsuits now. Sudden loud noise startles a speeding driver and CRASH! Or, even better.....CARDIAC ARREST.


I wouldn't be surprised to hear the lawyers were the ones that lobbied for these devices.
 
2014-04-14 12:13:20 PM
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