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2014-04-12 07:22:19 PM  
I can see the lawyers lining up for the ensuing lawsuits now. Sudden loud noise startles a speeding driver and CRASH! Or, even better.....CARDIAC ARREST.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-12 08:09:09 PM  
If you are startled by the sound and swerve into a FedEx truck knocking it into a bus full of school children, I will vote to hold MoDOT responsible if I am on your jury. But note that I don't live in Missouri and have never been selected to serve on any jury, so you might need a backup plan. Maybe a loudspeaker on top of your truck to shout back.  Or noise cancelling headphones.
 
2014-04-12 11:17:43 PM  
I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.
 
2014-04-13 12:11:59 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.


LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.
 
2014-04-13 12:29:41 AM  

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.



That still won't prevent people from freaking out when loud sounds are blasted at their moving vehicles. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
2014-04-13 01:21:59 AM  
I'm guessing nothing, because most speeders are already driving with their bass amps cranking at 180 dbs and/or their headphones in.
 
2014-04-13 01:24:03 AM  
Missouri plans to pay a metric fark-ton of settlements in lawsuits for hearing loss.

153 decibels? What are you, stupid, evil or both?
 
2014-04-13 01:29:34 AM  
If there's a warning in the area, I don't see the problem. Want to keep your hearing? Don't speed
 
2014-04-13 01:29:42 AM  
Might kill a lot of texters.
 
2014-04-13 01:31:44 AM  
I heard they tried something like this up at Penn State in the 80's.

They put the rumble strips in spaces to simulate voices saying danger and slow down when you drove over it. Turns out, it just scared the shiat out of people and they usually drove right off the road.
 
2014-04-13 01:33:04 AM  

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.


As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?
 
2014-04-13 01:34:17 AM  
Countermeasures:

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2014-04-13 01:37:01 AM  
I just want to steal the noise makers and aim them at churches.
 
2014-04-13 01:37:54 AM  
For anyone who thinks this is not a big deal, 150 decibels is enough to rupture eardrums. 153 decibels is roughly twice as loud.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm
 
2014-04-13 01:38:14 AM  

ZAZ: have never been selected to serve on any jury


I've been on a jury in a criminal trial.  I was called for jury duty for a civil trial regarding a traffic accident.  I said I believed that in a traffic accident someone was usually at fault and they got rid of me as fast as they could.

If I had to guess, I'd say it was the lawyer for whoever was at fault in that accident was the one who struck me as a juror.
 
2014-04-13 01:38:49 AM  
In the last two years, my local paper has reported a "campus rapist preying on drunk undergrads"

1) Local law enforcement has busted hundreds for pot - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
2) Stopped and cited thousands for speeding - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
3) Given hundreds of bullshiat citations - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?

The local media is dead-on-arrival, they are completely bought off by whatever political party has the most money, and they'll keep their mouth shut and take their check.
 
2014-04-13 01:40:32 AM  

picturescrazy: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.

As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?


Acoustics aren't EM, they're a mechanical wave. They'll never be as focused as lasers.

I'll bet they use several frequencies to combine at the target point in a burst of high energy interference while just being a moderate volume everywhere else. Maybe even infrasound.
 
2014-04-13 01:41:34 AM  

picturescrazy: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.

As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?


That's what I was wondering. If someone were driving the speed limit and got passed by a speeder at the right time, would they drive straight into the directional sound?
 
2014-04-13 01:42:33 AM  

doglover: picturescrazy: Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

LRADs are directional.  The source point would probably be the construction site, so they would be at a lower risk.

As directional as lasers? Will it stop at the targeted car and not hit anyone else's car? What about the poor saps living near the highway?

Acoustics aren't EM, they're a mechanical wave. They'll never be as focused as lasers.

I'll bet they use several frequencies to combine at the target point in a burst of high energy interference while just being a moderate volume everywhere else. Maybe even infrasound.


I know they don't work that way. That was my point. It doesn't matter that they're directional, they're going to hit a lot more than their target car.
 
2014-04-13 01:43:09 AM  
And people definitely won't just drive faster to get away from the noise.
 
2014-04-13 01:44:59 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Countermeasures:

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I wish that could be deployed at highway speeds,  the next tailgater would be in for a nasty surprise


/Thinking the intro to "we will rock you" would do nicely
 
2014-04-13 01:47:12 AM  

zarker: If there's a warning in the area, I don't see the problem. Want to keep your hearing? Don't speed


Unless someone who IS speeding passes you in the same zone.

What color is your wool?
 
2014-04-13 01:48:09 AM  
Why don't they blast 50,000
50,000
50,000 watts of funkin'
 
2014-04-13 01:50:15 AM  
I'm tempted to call late April Fools on this one just due to the potential liability.

Do they simply set it up at the worksite to blast the entire oncoming highway any time there's a speeding vehicle on radar?  Or does LRAD have pinpoint accuracy?  Can the system track and target a specific vehicle?

What about nearby homeowners and businesses in the line of fire?  Or vehicles traveling in the other direction who happen to be in the line of fire?   Do they all get blasted also?

I can't wait for the first lawsuit involving a driver who was startled into a serious accident.  Especially one who was incorrectly targeted.  I've heard of logs maintained by dash-mount GPS units being used in court to successfully fight speeding tickets.  Seems like such a log might be useful here also.
 
2014-04-13 01:52:54 AM  
Arrowhead fans laugh, try to break the record.
 
2014-04-13 01:53:46 AM  
They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.
 
2014-04-13 01:58:02 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.


succeed?

Really?
 
2014-04-13 01:58:30 AM  
Oh...and I can't wait for one of these things to get hacked...

"This is Jesus..."
 
2014-04-13 01:58:49 AM  
How is this even legal? Why not mist muriatic acid in the air? That's harmless too. Those barrels and cones are f-ing muricans. They apply asphalt for your freedom.
 
2014-04-13 01:59:37 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: In the last two years, my local paper has reported a "campus rapist preying on drunk undergrads"

1) Local law enforcement has busted hundreds for pot - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
2) Stopped and cited thousands for speeding - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?
3) Given hundreds of bullshiat citations - WHERE IS THE RAPIST?

The local media is dead-on-arrival, they are completely bought off by whatever political party has the most money, and they'll keep their mouth shut and take their check.


Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.
 
2014-04-13 02:00:14 AM  
/LOUD NOISES
 
2014-04-13 02:01:21 AM  

gfid: succeed?


*sigh* Good Lord Sweetie, we were talking about barbecue.

Would you like to re-read what you responded too and respond with something intelligence next time?

Damn.
 
2014-04-13 02:01:31 AM  

gfid: WhoopAssWayne: They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.

succeed?

Really?


Yup, much kinder and gentler than seceding
 
2014-04-13 02:02:12 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.


I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.
 
2014-04-13 02:04:37 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: They should succeed from the Union - Lord knows that nasty ketchup/molasses/brown sugar based sauce and those rank pieces of meat ...... yep - let them go.


It's just BBQ. You don't have to eat it.
 
2014-04-13 02:05:24 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Also, a hammer murderer is still on the loose.


Probably in YOUR house - along with MARYJUANA - and common sense and stuff.
 
2014-04-13 02:06:04 AM  

doglover: I heard they tried something like this up at Penn State in the 80's.

They put the rumble strips in spaces to simulate voices saying danger and slow down when you drove over it. Turns out, it just scared the shiat out of people and they usually drove right off the road.


So why wasn't this adopted nationwide, again?
 
2014-04-13 02:08:10 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: It's just BBQ. You don't have to eat it.


Abusing meat in that fashion will NOT go unchallenged Good Sir!
 
2014-04-13 02:09:46 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.


Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.
 
2014-04-13 02:09:54 AM  
It would be just as practical and safer to install speed governors in cars that can be controlled by the DOT road crews. In the event that someone figures out how to hack the system, guided missiles will destroy that particular vehicle. As an extra precaution, every car should have tires with an incorporated explosive device that can be detonated by the road crew, for use in emergencies.
 
2014-04-13 02:10:07 AM  
I feel really bad for the guy in the right lane, the one who's not speeding, when I just happen to be right next to him in the process of speeding by and he gets blasted right along with me. I wonder which of us will slam into the other first. Poor guy, he was just driving along minding the speed limit, not doing anything wrong.
 
2014-04-13 02:10:14 AM  

fusillade762: And people definitely won't just drive faster to get away from the noise.


That would just cause the frequency to change slightly.
 
2014-04-13 02:10:21 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: Mid_mo_mad_man: It's just BBQ. You don't have to eat it.

Abusing meat in that fashion will NOT go unchallenged Good Sir!


Hey. Sorry your taste buds are too unrefined to appreciate good barbecue and the wonderful sauce that makes it.
 
2014-04-13 02:11:26 AM  
Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?
 
2014-04-13 02:11:45 AM  
These LRADs won't last an hour.  Hopefully the first startled driver at the first deployment will spin out and destroy the unit and the guy that runs the project.  Two birds, one Buick.
 
2014-04-13 02:14:33 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.

Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.


Considering they are working next to heavy machinery and highway traffic I doubt it would be that pronounced.
 
2014-04-13 02:14:40 AM  

picturescrazy: Hey. Sorry your taste buds are too unrefined to appreciate good barbecue and the wonderful sauce that makes it.


LoL - Ohio? Hahah - Bro, you are going to have to fill in some blanks here. I'm opened minded, but damn, Ohio. Give me a reason, bro.
 
2014-04-13 02:15:12 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Okay, so don't speed through construction zones. Problem solved. See how easy that was?


What if Cletus decides to turn on the LRAD because he wants to discuss last night's WWF Raw or whatever event that is instead of doing the Patriot's work?
 
2014-04-13 02:20:22 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fista-Phobia: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder how the construction workers feel about this. Being in a moving vehicle offers at least a small amount of protection from this much sound, but the workers actually working on the road surface would have little to no protection. I'm not even certain noise cancelling headphones would protect their hearing.

And of course there's the aforementioned chance that a startled driver might swerve and cause a crash. Concrete barriers and other vehicles would be bad enough, but there's always a chance they crash into some of the construction workers.

Seems to me that this would cause more problems than it would solve.

I doubt the workers would even notice. They should be wearing hearing protection. Combine that with general background noise it probably won't be that be of an issue.

Ear protection may give you -25db at best. 153-25=128db

Yeah. They'll just be picking their draws out they ass whilst enjoying a Mt. Dew, a Snickers bar, and the sensation of snapping into a Slim Jim.

Considering they are working next to heavy machinery and highway traffic I doubt it would be that pronounced.


ook. Um... Jesus will watch over me and guide me when I am blind.
 
2014-04-13 02:28:42 AM  
I would not want to live anywhere near a road construction site
 
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