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(Everett Herald)   "Bouncing the mentally ill, homeless and/or addicted from one service to another is an expensive way to treat the symptoms, but not an effective treatment of the root cause of their problems"   (heraldnet.com) divider line 62
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2014-04-12 04:41:15 PM
A tax cut will solve this.
 
2014-04-12 05:32:29 PM
So....stop?
 
2014-04-12 05:47:19 PM
Don't they eventually land in the same place (prison)?
 
2014-04-12 06:30:47 PM
THe only answer is to gather them up. Perhaps into some kind of camp.
 
2014-04-12 06:31:06 PM
If only they could figure out some Final Solution.
 
2014-04-12 06:31:49 PM
Put on a Greyhound...make-um SanFran bound. Not our problem anymore.
 
2014-04-12 06:31:52 PM
Thanks, Reagan Obama!
 
2014-04-12 06:32:17 PM
So rethuglican-owned contractors make more money.
Nothing to see here.
 
2014-04-12 06:34:57 PM

LaurenAguilera: THe only answer is to gather them up. Perhaps into some kind of camp.


19 seconds late, dam I wish there was someone around who made sure my train of thought always arrived on time.
 
2014-04-12 06:39:41 PM
I just saw this on my FB feed. Clearly no private prison industry there.

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2014-04-12 06:41:03 PM

BumpInTheNight: LaurenAguilera: THe only answer is to gather them up. Perhaps into some kind of camp.

19 seconds late, dam I wish there was someone around who made sure my train of thought always arrived on time.


CHoo choooooooooo mother heffer.
 
2014-04-12 06:44:01 PM
It's an employment issue. Jail guards are cheaper and their families vote.
 
2014-04-12 06:44:41 PM

Point02GPA: Put on a Greyhound...make-um SanFran bound. Not our problem anymore.


We have been sending them to Vegas
 
2014-04-12 06:51:10 PM
Thank you for this headline, Captain Obvious.
 
2014-04-12 07:03:07 PM
Hooscow is better than the Clink.
 
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2014-04-12 07:18:15 PM
Well, it may cost more but at least they aren't getting free healthcare!
 
2014-04-12 07:28:15 PM

BumpInTheNight: If only they could figure out some Final Solution.


Kill and eat the neurotypicals.

/your endorphins will taste delicious as I devour your brain.
 
2014-04-12 07:46:11 PM
Working in the I can tell you part of the problem is red states think mental health and social workers should make sub minimum wage and survive off the "good" they do somehow. That and the system in literally and purposefully made to pass around the needy so everyone can get a piece of the pie.
 
2014-04-12 07:50:46 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Point02GPA: Put on a Greyhound...make-um SanFran bound. Not our problem anymore.

We have been sending them to Vegas


We've all been sending them to Washington.

/Not helping
 
2014-04-12 08:18:34 PM

LaurenAguilera: THe only answer is to gather them up. Perhaps into some kind of camp.


Sweet! you can be the first one!
 
2014-04-12 08:19:05 PM
Bring back asylums?
 
2014-04-12 08:25:32 PM

farkette716: LaurenAguilera: THe only answer is to gather them up. Perhaps into some kind of camp.

Sweet! you can be the first one!


I'm in charge of the camps.

The call me The Furor.
 
2014-04-12 08:29:22 PM

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: If only they could figure out some Final Solution.

Kill and eat the neurotypicals.

/your endorphins will taste delicious as I devour your brain.


Is there even such a thing anymore?  Seems like EVERYONE has a problem these days.
 
2014-04-12 08:32:44 PM
Mental health social worker- I'm assigned to the non-compliant cases. They are constantly in and out of jail. The only way we can help is get them court ordered treatment. But most of the time they won't even comply with that.
Our system is beyond broken.
 
2014-04-12 08:41:11 PM

Jadedgrl: Mental health social worker- I'm assigned to the non-compliant cases. They are constantly in and out of jail. The only way we can help is get them court ordered treatment. But most of the time they won't even comply with that.
Our system is beyond broken.


and people wonder why so much farked up shiat happens in our country. :(
 
2014-04-12 08:48:15 PM
I'd rather blame guns
 
2014-04-12 09:10:52 PM
Maybe if we had more mental hospitals...
 
2014-04-12 09:12:27 PM

Jadedgrl: Mental health social worker- I'm assigned to the non-compliant cases. They are constantly in and out of jail. The only way we can help is get them court ordered treatment. But most of the time they won't even comply with that.
Our system is beyond broken.


I volunteer in a women's shelter at present and have other credentials that I won't list here. I know my way around the system; it frequently makes people worse because they are treated poorly and run through. Often they will get 'tagged' with some bs diagnosis that others follow and add to just because it is simple.
Giving a DSM to  n ill qualified social worker with no medical or true life experience is like issuing a hunting license to the blind.
/my .02
 
2014-04-12 09:13:38 PM
We should just fund more services that they don't use and don't work. Perhaps with a raise in taxes.
 
2014-04-12 09:13:57 PM

Kit Fister: Jadedgrl: Mental health social worker- I'm assigned to the non-compliant cases. They are constantly in and out of jail. The only way we can help is get them court ordered treatment. But most of the time they won't even comply with that.
Our system is beyond broken.

and people wonder why so much farked up shiat happens in our country. :(


Then every other blue moon or so you get a Sheriff that actually may have good intentions like this one's. Unfortunately, they always manage to screw it up.
 
2014-04-12 09:40:07 PM

LaurenAguilera: farkette716: LaurenAguilera: THe only answer is to gather them up. Perhaps into some kind of camp.

Sweet! you can be the first one!

I'm in charge of the camps.

The call me The Furor.


Well, I suppose we need leaders.
 
2014-04-12 09:49:00 PM
That's why in the state of Alaska, legislators are openly pushing for money that could be spent on mental health treatment in the communities to be given to prisons instead.  Just let the prisons treat them! came up more than once some recent legislative sessions.
 
2014-04-12 10:11:21 PM

BumpInTheNight: If only they could figure out some Final Solution.


We need to wait for some Modest Proposals.
 
2014-04-12 10:17:45 PM
You mean putting me in a state hospital with attempted murderers and convicted rapists wasn't the most beneficial thing for my mental health?  Interesting...
 
2014-04-12 10:27:33 PM

JoieD'Zen: it frequently makes people worse because they are treated poorly and run through


Yep. Some people would improve by leaps and bounds if someone just spent time with them, but there's no one to do it. And on the psychiatric side, some don't really get much in the way of proper care there either. Simply reading off a previous diagnosis without checking it out to make sure it's right, is not exactly proper psychiatric care. But it hardly matters how right or wrong the diagnosis is when people are just shuffled around with no sense of belonging or of anyone actually caring about them.
 
2014-04-12 10:30:50 PM

WhyteRaven74: JoieD'Zen: it frequently makes people worse because they are treated poorly and run through

Yep. Some people would improve by leaps and bounds if someone just spent time with them, but there's no one to do it. And on the psychiatric side, some don't really get much in the way of proper care there either. Simply reading off a previous diagnosis without checking it out to make sure it's right, is not exactly proper psychiatric care. But it hardly matters how right or wrong the diagnosis is when people are just shuffled around with no sense of belonging or of anyone actually caring about them.


I went to MacFarlane's in Springfield, IL.  There were literally no therapists.  You talked to a doctor once every two weeks.  Other than that, you watched TV and tried not to go crazy listening to the psychotic people around you.  I still have no idea why my doctor thought it would be a good idea for me to go there.  The staff was awful to the patients, ignoring them most of the time.  It's just a place to hold people until they can find some other place to push them off to.
 
2014-04-12 10:44:24 PM

JoieD'Zen: Jadedgrl: Mental health social worker- I'm assigned to the non-compliant cases. They are constantly in and out of jail. The only way we can help is get them court ordered treatment. But most of the time they won't even comply with that.
Our system is beyond broken.

I volunteer in a women's shelter at present and have other credentials that I won't list here. I know my way around the system; it frequently makes people worse because they are treated poorly and run through. Often they will get 'tagged' with some bs diagnosis that others follow and add to just because it is simple.
Giving a DSM to  n ill qualified social worker with no medical or true life experience is like issuing a hunting license to the blind.
/my .02


Pretty much; it's not uncommon for someone with a social learning disability, PTSD and an anxiety disorder to be diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, when really they just need an anti-anxiety med and counseling to set them straight, instead of the anti-psychotics they pump them with and expect results from a treatment which does NOT fit their disorder and only makes them worse.
 
2014-04-12 10:57:36 PM
The mentally need more in the way of services, but where will the money come from? I voluntarily admitted myself for depression, and found out that was a mistake. You get lumped in with all types. A person or persons actually trying to work with you is all but nonexistent. After they had me doped up the first couple of days, I realized i didn't need to be admitted. On the other hand, there are people in there who are really messed up. My wife laughed when she came to visit me one day, and I was so doped up, i was drooling, and when I went to get my dinner tray, I was humched over, and stumbled into the wall. She laughed. Atleast by the third day, I took a couple headers walking, they took an MRI on e, found out I had a stroke, and took me to a regular hospital.
The mental care system is so messed up, and so many corporate interests involved, I know there will be no real change, at least of what little time I have left. I've already had another stroke since then, and have trouble talking, and almost cannot write. I hope it gets better for others.
 
2014-04-12 11:15:08 PM

JoieD'Zen: Jadedgrl: Mental health social worker- I'm assigned to the non-compliant cases. They are constantly in and out of jail. The only way we can help is get them court ordered treatment. But most of the time they won't even comply with that.
Our system is beyond broken.

I volunteer in a women's shelter at present and have other credentials that I won't list here. I know my way around the system; it frequently makes people worse because they are treated poorly and run through. Often they will get 'tagged' with some bs diagnosis that others follow and add to just because it is simple.
Giving a DSM to  n ill qualified social worker with no medical or true life experience is like issuing a hunting license to the blind.
/my .02


Well, I have a bachelors in psychology and a Masters in social work. Also professionally licensed in my state to practice. So are everyone else I work with (county job). I would say we are qualified.
 
2014-04-12 11:55:06 PM

Ex-Texan: The mentally need more in the way of services, but where will the money come from? I voluntarily admitted myself for depression, and found out that was a mistake. You get lumped in with all types. A person or persons actually trying to work with you is all but nonexistent. After they had me doped up the first couple of days, I realized i didn't need to be admitted. On the other hand, there are people in there who are really messed up. My wife laughed when she came to visit me one day, and I was so doped up, i was drooling, and when I went to get my dinner tray, I was humched over, and stumbled into the wall. She laughed. Atleast by the third day, I took a couple headers walking, they took an MRI on e, found out I had a stroke, and took me to a regular hospital.
The mental care system is so messed up, and so many corporate interests involved, I know there will be no real change, at least of what little time I have left. I've already had another stroke since then, and have trouble talking, and almost cannot write. I hope it gets better for others.


Hm, where COULD the money come from, I wonder?

We could cut spending in the military, like those tanks and planes that don't work and nobody wants; we could cut spending in jails and prisons and divert that money into mental health facilities; we could reallocate money on the front end to catch mental health problems in school-age children BEFORE they cause problems instead of waiting till they're grown up and expecting  them to solve their own problems; we could take a more proactive approach in known populations with mental-health issues such as returning or exiting veterans, post-release convicts, etc., and again, instead of spending more just reallocate existing funds to catch problems before they become major events at minimal cost on the front end; we COULD do all this, although it would take some creativity and imagination...

But that might mean actually acknowledging that mental illness isn't a moral failing or a personal responsibility fault, but an actual illness that requires aggressive treatment like any illness.
 
2014-04-12 11:59:01 PM
I just got off an Everett bus packed with the mentally-ill, so I'm getting a real kick from this story.
 
2014-04-13 12:57:44 AM

fluffy2097:

Kill and eat the neurotypicals.

There ya go. The problem with that is there are so many of them. Maybe we should redefine our constituency to include "preppers," "survivalists," hunters and/or "gun nuts?" The benefit to our sacred cause would be obvious.

THOSE PEOPLE WHO CALL US CRAZY WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY!1!!


Jadedgrl:

[deletia]

*clicks profile*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendra%27s_Law

Kendra's Law, effective since November 1999, is a New York State law concerning involuntary outpatient commitment. It grants judges the authority to issue orders that require people who meet certain criteria to regularly undergo psychiatric treatment. Failure to comply could result in commitment for up to 72 hours. Kendra's Law does not require that patients are forced to take medication.

It was originally proposed by members of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the Alliance on Mental Illness of New York State, and many local NAMI chapters throughout the state. They were concerned that laws were preventing individuals with serious mental illness from receiving care until after they became "dangerous to self or others".They felt the law should work to prevent violence, not require it. They viewed outpatient commitment as a less expensive, less restrictive and more humane alternative to inpatient commitment.


Well, yes and no.


Yes that it's better than locking people up or letting cops shoot them; no that it's still an infringement on a so-called crazy person's civil and human rights, leaving us open to the "medicalization" of dissent. What comes to mind right away is Soviet psychiatry, e.g. sluggish schizophrenia, the likes of which would have seen Galileo not inquisitioned as a heretic but as mentally ill. Do we really want the government to define what Reality is?

 
2014-04-13 01:07:24 AM

The One True TheDavid: Yes that it's better than locking people up or letting cops shoot them; no that it's still an infringement on a so-called crazy person's civil and human rights, leaving us open to the "medicalization" of dissent. What comes to mind right away is Soviet psychiatry, e.g. sluggish schizophrenia, the likes of which would have seen Galileo not inquisitioned as a heretic but as mentally ill. Do we really want the government to define what Reality is?


There's no middle ground, of course, right? It's gotta be total freedom for the mentally ill to live under bridges in their delusional state; or else we're in a Soviet-style thought-police state. We can't POSSIBLY work towards a reasonable system of oversight and care, no, let's keep things the way they are because the only other option is so, so horrible it can't be considered at all.

*sigh*
 
2014-04-13 01:18:46 AM
Cuckoo birds have always been a burden to society. They contribute little to nothing to our world. It is ashame if you or someone you care about is born with some kind of mental deficiency that prevents social contribution and depends on public resource obligation, but why should I be bothered on that matter?
 
2014-04-13 02:37:10 AM

HisBoyLeroy: Cuckoo birds have always been a burden to society. They contribute little to nothing to our world. It is ashame if you or someone you care about is born with some kind of mental deficiency that prevents social contribution and depends on public resource obligation, but why should I be bothered on that matter?


Because they will use your tax dollars to buy booze that wil make them crazy enough to knock your daughter up and take a dump near your Mercedes?
Oh, and get food stamps too

/ps - your daughter will enjoy it.
 
2014-04-13 03:29:05 AM

HisBoyLeroy: Cuckoo birds have always been a burden to society. They contribute little to nothing to our world. It is ashame if you or someone you care about is born with some kind of mental deficiency that prevents social contribution and depends on public resource obligation, but why should I be bothered on that matter?


Yea, no one with mental illness has ever done anything worth note. People like these: Virginia Woolf, Ludwig van Beethoven, Leo Tolstoy, Isaac Newton, just to name a few. Maybe a few more here [Link]. Could be a couple with bi-polar but none you would know [Link]. And those with schizophrenia not a one [Link].
 
2014-04-13 03:49:50 AM

HisBoyLeroy: Cuckoo birds have always been a burden to society. They contribute little to nothing to our world. It is ashame if you or someone you care about is born with some kind of mental deficiency that prevents social contribution and depends on public resource obligation, but why should I be bothered on that matter?


Cuckoo birds.  Ha. ha.  ha........

I guess I can see where you're coming from as I don't care about you either, so there! 

Mentally ill contribute nothing... for farks sake.
 
2014-04-13 04:25:05 AM

ShatteredMinds: HisBoyLeroy: Cuckoo birds have always been a burden to society. They contribute little to nothing to our world. It is ashame if you or someone you care about is born with some kind of mental deficiency that prevents social contribution and depends on public resource obligation, but why should I be bothered on that matter?

Yea, no one with mental illness has ever done anything worth note. People like these: Virginia Woolf, Ludwig van Beethoven, Leo Tolstoy, Isaac Newton, just to name a few. Maybe a few more here [Link]. Could be a couple with bi-polar but none you would know [Link]. And those with schizophrenia not a one [Link].


Or, f*ck you, you know....me. (Bipolar, diagnosed in 1991, contributing to society since I was a fully functioning adult, never been on the public dole)

But keep nursing that delusion that the mentally ill don't need help you son of a biatch.
 
2014-04-13 04:39:30 AM

Gyrfalcon: ShatteredMinds: HisBoyLeroy: Cuckoo birds have always been a burden to society. They contribute little to nothing to our world. It is ashame if you or someone you care about is born with some kind of mental deficiency that prevents social contribution and depends on public resource obligation, but why should I be bothered on that matter?

Yea, no one with mental illness has ever done anything worth note. People like these: Virginia Woolf, Ludwig van Beethoven, Leo Tolstoy, Isaac Newton, just to name a few. Maybe a few more here [Link]. Could be a couple with bi-polar but none you would know [Link]. And those with schizophrenia not a one [Link].

Or, f*ck you, you know....me. (Bipolar, diagnosed in 1991, contributing to society since I was a fully functioning adult, never been on the public dole)

But keep nursing that delusion that the mentally ill don't need help you son of a biatch.


Um, I was being snarky and responding to the guy that said the mentally ill add nothing with proof of the opposite. I've already mentioned before that I suffer from dysthymia and severe depression.
 
2014-04-13 05:44:56 AM
I think Gyrfalcon was adding to what you said.
 
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