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(Newser)   Driving in Oregon and want to flash your headlights to warn drivers of an upcoming speed trap? Judge: Not a problem   (newser.com) divider line 55
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2014-04-12 08:51:37 AM  
Good.
 
2014-04-12 08:57:24 AM  
Free speech.  Case dismissed.
 
2014-04-12 09:20:19 AM  
Hell yeah, good on that judge.
 
2014-04-12 09:20:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Free speech.  Case dismissed.


This.
 
2014-04-12 09:22:41 AM  
If the point of a $peed trap i$ to make people $low down, cop$ $houldn't have any problem with anything el$e that doe$ $o.
 
2014-04-12 09:22:57 AM  
If I am not mistaken, this has also been the court's decision in several other states.  It's a good thing.
 
2014-04-12 09:28:20 AM  
In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES
 
2014-04-12 09:31:03 AM  

TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES


Another reason to never go to Texas, check.
 
2014-04-12 09:34:46 AM  
Headlight are people too, my friend.
 
2014-04-12 09:36:03 AM  

TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES


"If the light on my car is on, I have not seen a cop."

/The light warns of police non-interference
//Technically correct.
 
2014-04-12 09:36:45 AM  

AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.


In the era of things like Waze, I'm not sure how it's even possible to enforce that.  You could do it with bright-flashing, maybe, but even then, you're probably doing it out of sight of the original cop.
 
2014-04-12 09:36:52 AM  
A Maryland Trooper once said "whatever slows drivers down" is okay with him.
 
2014-04-12 09:45:27 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Waze


Came here to link that.
 
2014-04-12 09:46:33 AM  

AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.


I think you read it wrong.  You can warn another driver:

It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code.

 
2014-04-12 09:48:43 AM  
Cops need the beatdown when they get uppity and vindictive like this.
 
2014-04-12 09:49:54 AM  

Last Man on Earth: AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.

In the era of things like Waze, I'm not sure how it's even possible to enforce that.  You could do it with bright-flashing, maybe, but even then, you're probably doing it out of sight of the original cop.


So Waze is technically illegal in Texas?

You'll pry my Waze from my cold dead fingers!

I've been thinking, tho, it seems that if the cops were smart, they'd get a Waze account and if they saw "police reported," they could give the thumbs down. Guess they're not that smart?
 
2014-04-12 09:52:34 AM  
Good . in the last few years in Georgia the police are busy camped out, and setting speed traps.
Sitting at the bottom of a steep hill expecting most people will coax out a few MPG.
 ($3.45 gal, Thanks to Obama friends in big oil.)
 Or in the middle only 1/2  mile stretch of road you can pass the concrete mixer you been following for the last twenty minutes

Anyways it may be a temporary victory as the Police enable to capture new revenue using plate readers.
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2014-04-12 09:53:39 AM  

AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.


If I understand the code, the police may charge you, but an acceptable defense (as written into the code) is one where the defendant's actions intended to warn others of police presence:

(c) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code.
 
2014-04-12 09:54:06 AM  
Which part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; our the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." do you not understand. Wake up sheeple!
 
2014-04-12 09:54:25 AM  
Dammit, randomdevice beat me to it.

/tiny fist a shakin'
 
2014-04-12 09:59:48 AM  

AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.


Need more coffee or is your anti-Texas bias interfering with your reading comprehension?

Excludes, not included.  In other words, activities intended to warn others of traffic enforcement are explicitly NOT a violation of the obstruction law. It is specifically NOT against the law.
 
2014-04-12 10:05:40 AM  
I want to flash my headlights because very few people in Oregon turn their headlights on when it's dark and/or rainy and it makes them difficult to see.
 
2014-04-12 10:08:27 AM  

TheWhoppah: AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.

Need more coffee or is your anti-Texas bias interfering with your reading comprehension?

Excludes, not included.  In other words, activities intended to warn others of traffic enforcement are explicitly NOT a violation of the obstruction law. It is specifically NOT against the law.


I guess the police will have to go back to spreading the urban legend of 'flashing your headlights will get you shot in a gang initiation rite'.
 
2014-04-12 10:09:29 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Last Man on Earth: Waze

Came here to link that.


Waze doesn't work for me.  I know it depends on how many other people are using it in your city, but I live in Toronto, I figured there would have been lots.  And there are lots, but bugs in the Waze android app prevent me from seeing them.  If I zoom out, I see one group of people.  If I zoom in, I see another completely different group of people.  5 seconds later, half of those people magically disappear, and some others teleport into view.
 
2014-04-12 10:13:10 AM  
Years ago I got pulled over for flashing my lights. The officer wanted to know if I was having technical difficulty with my headlights. He knew he could not write me a ticket for my actions, but he could still fark with me, so he did. After about 20 minutes I was free to go on my way like a good citizen.
 
2014-04-12 10:15:04 AM  
And besides, it's fun to flash your headlights at people when there's no cops around.  It takes them a minute or two to even get pissed at you, and by then you're long gone.
 
2014-04-12 10:15:08 AM  

grumpyoldmann: A Maryland Trooper once said "whatever slows drivers down" is okay with him.


This.

The only thing to consider is that the police may also be camped out looking for an Amber Alert vehicle (or something), and by flashing your headlights you're giving the kidnapper a chance to turn around or take a different route.

/Double edged sword
 
2014-04-12 10:18:21 AM  

RadicalEd: I want to flash my headlights because very few people in Oregon turn their headlights on when it's dark and/or rainy and it makes them difficult to see.


Oh man, what is WRONG with those gawddamn people??  The law says 'half an hour after sunset' but it's damn near pitch black out, I KNOW that they cant see shiat, but its really more that other drivers need to see them.  Do they think the headlights reduce their gas mileage?  Maybe the light shooting forward pushes their car back??
 
2014-04-12 10:19:14 AM  
Am I the only one who learned flashing headlights meant deer in the road before it meant speed trap?

/It does make a convenient cover, though.  "What?  I thought I saw a deer head in those bushes right over there."  They can't disprove what you thought you saw, and the damn vermin are everywhere around here.
 
2014-04-12 10:21:53 AM  

TheWhoppah: AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.

Need more coffee or is your anti-Texas bias interfering with your reading comprehension?

Excludes, not included.  In other words, activities intended to warn others of traffic enforcement are explicitly NOT a violation of the obstruction law. It is specifically NOT against the law.


No more against the law than calling someone on the phone and tipping them off to cops doing cop things.
 
2014-04-12 10:28:41 AM  

Iszael: And besides, it's fun to flash your headlights at people when there's no cops around.  It takes them a minute or two to even get pissed at you, and by then you're long gone.


Read in Jack Handy's voice.
 
2014-04-12 10:30:55 AM  
In NYS it is mandated by law that your headlights must be on when your wipers are on.  Simple solution is to follow the law and turn your wipers on/off which would require you to turn your lights on/off.  You cannot be given a ticket for following the law.
 
2014-04-12 10:33:26 AM  
Years ago on a rural road, someone flashed their lights at me.  I was kind of like 'WTF?' so I slowed down a bit.  Then I passed a speed trap.  I have been returning the favor ever since.
 
2014-04-12 10:34:50 AM  
When I flash my light to warn someone of a cop ahead, my intent is not to save them a speeding ticket, it's to warn them of a possible dangerous situation when the car in front of them slams on his brakes when he sees the cop. I've seen a few accidents like that and a whole lot of close calls. If you are alone on a stretch of highway tooling along fast enough that I can tell you are speeding, you won't get that warning.
 
2014-04-12 10:35:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: TheWhoppah: AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.

Need more coffee or is your anti-Texas bias interfering with your reading comprehension?

Excludes, not included.  In other words, activities intended to warn others of traffic enforcement are explicitly NOT a violation of the obstruction law. It is specifically NOT against the law.

No more against the law than calling someone on the phone and tipping them off to cops doing cop things.


Around the holidays, they have highly publicized 'DUI Check-Point' campaigns.  Is whoever makes those announcements at-risk of prosecution?  What about persons not in government employment, like a newscaster or just somebody telling a friend?

Loose talk cuts revenue, Citizen, so watchermouth.
 
2014-04-12 10:40:12 AM  
The Texas statute EXCLUDES.  But I'm sure y'all read that, right?
 
2014-04-12 10:40:54 AM  

TheOther: Maybe the light shooting forward pushes their car back??


well, technically....
 
2014-04-12 10:43:05 AM  

AgentPothead: TheWhoppah: In Texas, the law against obstructing the police specifically excludes both speech and behavior intended to warn others of police enforcement of the rules of the road.
See: Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES

Another reason to never go to Texas, check.


Why? We exclude the action. It is legal.

/ not in anyway should be inferred as an invitation
 
2014-04-12 10:51:34 AM  
 From a social perspective I would imagine city/county/state leaders would actually want something like this whether they realize it or not. I mean do you really want to affect the basic sense of community by cracking down on people trying to help out their neighbors?
 
2014-04-12 10:55:58 AM  

MythDragon: TheOther: Maybe the light shooting forward pushes their car back??

well, technically....


Yeah, but the lights from the car behind are pushing them forward, so it offsets.
 
2014-04-12 10:56:56 AM  

HypnozombieX: From a social perspective I would imagine city/county/state leaders would actually want something like this whether they realize it or not. I mean do you really want to affect the basic sense of community by cracking down on people trying to help out their neighbors?


Speed traps are usually designed to catch 'foreigners' ie people with different plates.
 
2014-04-12 10:57:44 AM  

TheOther: MythDragon: TheOther: Maybe the light shooting forward pushes their car back??

well, technically....

Yeah, but the lights from the car behind are pushing them forward, so it offsets.


What about streetlights?  Down-force propelling even further forward.
 
2014-04-12 11:17:46 AM  
FTFA: The driver who got the ticket, Chris Hill, acted as his own attorney in court.

Holy shiat, how often does that result in a victory??

/purple squirrel
 
2014-04-12 11:58:43 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: ($3.45 gal, Thanks to Obama friends in big oil.)


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-12 12:27:55 PM  
Love living in Oregon, its like, like, like... America.
 
2014-04-12 12:42:41 PM  

grumpyoldmann: A Maryland Trooper once said "whatever slows drivers down" is okay with him.


Buy that cop a donut and shake his hand, because thats how it is supposed to be.

I remember living in MA and one day realizing that half of the State Police cruisers 'protecting' inactive work zones on the Mass Pike were empty.  They just left the thing there with the lights on.  It still worked, everyone dropped speed for a bit so, mission accomplished I suppose.

Oddly, the cops in "Live Free or Die™"  New Hampshire were right bastards- well, anyone with Masshole tags on his car at least.
 
2014-04-12 12:55:49 PM  

ZackDanger: grumpyoldmann: A Maryland Trooper once said "whatever slows drivers down" is okay with him.

This.

The only thing to consider is that the police may also be camped out looking for an Amber Alert vehicle (or something), and by flashing your headlights you're giving the kidnapper a chance to turn around or take a different route.

/Double edged sword


Well maybe she shouldn't have dressed like a slut.
 
2014-04-12 01:09:18 PM  
Remember, off and on. Don't flash the high-beams.
 
2014-04-12 01:10:04 PM  

MNguy: TheOther: MythDragon: TheOther: Maybe the light shooting forward pushes their car back??

well, technically....

Yeah, but the lights from the car behind are pushing them forward, so it offsets.

What about streetlights?  Down-force propelling even further forward.


Those are gravity traps. Weave around them to keep your momentum up.
 
2014-04-12 01:30:48 PM  
Give tens of millions of dollars to influence/bribe politicians? No problem. Corporations are people and money is speech.

Dare to flash your headlights to inform other drivers of a speed trap? That's not protected free speech.
 
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