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(The Raw Story)   Apparently trying to capture the "Derp lifetime achievement award", the SC legislature considering a bill that would expand their "stand your ground laws " to cover unborn fetuses as well   (rawstory.com) divider line 96
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2014-04-11 05:42:30 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

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I just realized why Daenarys Targaryen is such a badass:

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She's got the W. T. Sherman of Westoros under her command. Which of course implies that she is Lincoln, especially given her predilection for freeing slaves.

You haven't read the books have you?
 
2014-04-11 05:46:12 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Aidan: Ow! That was my feelings!: Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.

Well, I'll have to disagree. I don't think Sherman looks batshiat crazy, I think he looks batshiat determined. "You will knock this shiat off or I'll burn your house to the ground." crazy. I think SC could use some 'determined Sherman' right now.

I have (on my other machine) the same picture with the caption "Do I have to come back down here again? Because it's looking like I do."

Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

I know. Rickover. Now there's a bastard that got shiat done. :)

Sadly, America seems all out of Shermans, MacArthurs, Pattons, Marshalls, etc.

//But we got plenty of farking Clintons and Bushs...

x4.fjcdn.com
 
2014-04-11 05:49:07 PM  

ScaryBottles: x4.fjcdn.com


It's a trilby! Damn feminazis.
 
2014-04-11 05:51:28 PM  

keldaria: Marcus Aurelius: Is giving an unborn fetus a gun even medically possible?

Actually according to the state stand your ground law, you are allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself or OTHERS being threatened from harm... so in essence, If a pregnant woman asks a doctor to give her an abortion, anyone is allowed to shoot said doctor if he attempted to perform the procedure.

Soooo Que right to life/pro gun folks standing outside woman's health clinics with guns ready to shoot any doctor trying to enter... Yep that's pretty much GOP minority outreach 101 these days


If my fetus is threatening me I should be able to stand my ground and get an abortion.

STAND YUR GROUND STAND OFF!
 
2014-04-11 05:51:45 PM  
Well, I also wonder if Our Glorious Representatives also realize this could be invoked against protestors.  As in, a pregnant woman walking into Planned Parenthood feels threatened by a protestor, and BOOM!

Hey, I was only going in for a breast cancer exam, and this guy started yelling in my face!

She would not be charged, correct?  Oh, wait.
 
2014-04-11 05:55:00 PM  

ScaryBottles: Ow! That was my feelings!: Aidan: Ow! That was my feelings!: Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.

Well, I'll have to disagree. I don't think Sherman looks batshiat crazy, I think he looks batshiat determined. "You will knock this shiat off or I'll burn your house to the ground." crazy. I think SC could use some 'determined Sherman' right now.

I have (on my other machine) the same picture with the caption "Do I have to come back down here again? Because it's looking like I do."

Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

I know. Rickover. Now there's a bastard that got shiat done. :)

Sadly, America seems all out of Shermans, MacArthurs, Pattons, Marshalls, etc.

//But we got plenty of farking Clintons and Bushs...
[x4.fjcdn.com image 500x667]


I'm just gonna love the return of you Clintonistas. You guys are so retro, so 20th Century Mod.
 
2014-04-11 05:55:04 PM  

Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.


Actually, Sherman was a pretty decent guy, despite his reputation and appearance.

"I confess, without shame, I am sick and tired of fighting-its glory is all moonshine; even success the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families, appealing to me for sons, husbands and fathers ... tis only those who have never heard a shot, never heard the shriek and groans of the wounded and lacerated ... that cry aloud for more blood, more vengeance, more desolation."
 
2014-04-11 05:55:25 PM  

Janusdog: Well, I also wonder if Our Glorious Representatives also realize this could be invoked against protestors.  As in, a pregnant woman walking into Planned Parenthood feels threatened by a protestor, and BOOM!

Hey, I was only going in for a breast cancer exam, and this guy started yelling in my face!

She would not be charged, correct?  Oh, wait.


That's what so batshiat crazy about the SYG laws.  They escalate conflict rather than toning it down.  We don't want every person who feels threatened to pull out a gun and start shooting.
 
2014-04-11 05:59:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Is giving an unborn fetus a gun even medically possible?


Give it a Tummy Gun.
 
2014-04-11 05:59:22 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: ScaryBottles: Ow! That was my feelings!: Aidan: Ow! That was my feelings!: Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.

Well, I'll have to disagree. I don't think Sherman looks batshiat crazy, I think he looks batshiat determined. "You will knock this shiat off or I'll burn your house to the ground." crazy. I think SC could use some 'determined Sherman' right now.

I have (on my other machine) the same picture with the caption "Do I have to come back down here again? Because it's looking like I do."

Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

I know. Rickover. Now there's a bastard that got shiat done. :)

Sadly, America seems all out of Shermans, MacArthurs, Pattons, Marshalls, etc.

//But we got plenty of farking Clintons and Bushs...
[x4.fjcdn.com image 500x667]

I'm just gonna love the return of you Clintonistas. You guys are so retro, so 20th Century Mod.


Laughing at "both sides are bad" douchebags is a bipartisan issue cubby. Or at least it will be when derpublicans catch on to your idiotic dog and pony show in a few years.
 
2014-04-11 06:00:23 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus

I'm gonna need someone to explain to me how, if abortion remains a legal medical procedure, someone ELSE can legally kill a licensed abortion provider for providing legal abortions as defined by law.


Well, you can't; but that's not going to help the dead abortion doctor much, is it?
 
2014-04-11 06:01:41 PM  

ScaryBottles: Ow! That was my feelings!: ScaryBottles: Ow! That was my feelings!: Aidan: Ow! That was my feelings!: Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.

Well, I'll have to disagree. I don't think Sherman looks batshiat crazy, I think he looks batshiat determined. "You will knock this shiat off or I'll burn your house to the ground." crazy. I think SC could use some 'determined Sherman' right now.

I have (on my other machine) the same picture with the caption "Do I have to come back down here again? Because it's looking like I do."

Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

I know. Rickover. Now there's a bastard that got shiat done. :)

Sadly, America seems all out of Shermans, MacArthurs, Pattons, Marshalls, etc.

//But we got plenty of farking Clintons and Bushs...
[x4.fjcdn.com image 500x667]

I'm just gonna love the return of you Clintonistas. You guys are so retro, so 20th Century Mod.

Laughing at "both sides are bad" douchebags is a bipartisan issue cubby. Or at least it will be when derpublicans catch on to your idiotic dog and pony show in a few years.


www.thetruthaboutcars.com
 
2014-04-11 06:04:43 PM  

Aidan: Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.


God, no, Sherman? It was the complete reverse.

That "War is hell" Quote you always here people say to justify atrocities? They kind of leave out *everything before it*:
(From wikiquote:)
This quote originates from his address to the graduating class of the
I've been where you are now and I know just how you feel. It's entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every one of you a hope and desire that some day you can use the skill you have acquired here.
Suppress it! You don't know the horrible aspects of war. I've been through two wars and I know. I've seen cities and homes in ashes. I've seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is Hell!
As quoted from accounts by Dr. Charles O. Brown in the Battle Creek Enquirer and News (18 November 1933)

Variants:
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all Hell.
Some of you young men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all Hell!
 
2014-04-11 06:07:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Dr Dreidel: Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus

I'm gonna need someone to explain to me how, if abortion remains a legal medical procedure, someone ELSE can legally kill a licensed abortion provider for providing legal abortions as defined by law.

Well, you can't; but that's not going to help the dead abortion doctor much, is it?


The idea is to scare abortion doctors into quitting.  They realize quite well that the general public doesn't like people killing doctors.  Much less walking up to them in church and shooting them in front of God and everyone.  This is just one of the many ways they try and intimidate doctors.  Stalking is another.
 
2014-04-11 06:09:42 PM  

Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus


No. The law is almost entirely redundant to their current SYG law. The sinister part is how they added a fetal personhood definition into the bill. They are trying to get THAT into the books after a more direct attempt failed.
 
2014-04-11 06:12:28 PM  

Graffito: Janusdog: Well, I also wonder if Our Glorious Representatives also realize this could be invoked against protestors.  As in, a pregnant woman walking into Planned Parenthood feels threatened by a protestor, and BOOM!

Hey, I was only going in for a breast cancer exam, and this guy started yelling in my face!

She would not be charged, correct?  Oh, wait.

That's what so batshiat crazy about the SYG laws.  They escalate conflict rather than toning it down.  We don't want every person who feels threatened to pull out a gun and start shooting.


The thing is, maybe if people did actually turn it around they wouldn't be so quick to do these things.  The "joy" of harassing women trying to get medical services and those providing them would not be so joyful if you were actually running the risk of getting shot yourself.  They're pretty sure you aren't going to shoot them, drive nails in their tires, splash acid on their property, follow them home, threaten their kids, call the schools your kids go to, and on and on.
 
2014-04-11 06:14:29 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus

No. The law is almost entirely redundant to their current SYG law. The sinister part is how they added a fetal personhood definition into the bill. They are trying to get THAT into the books after a more direct attempt failed.


And this too.  So after that come laws holding pregnant women criminally liable for doing anything that might "harm" the glorious fetus.
 
2014-04-11 06:14:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus

I'm gonna need someone to explain to me how, if abortion remains a legal medical procedure, someone ELSE can legally kill a licensed abortion provider for providing legal abortions as defined by law.


American Jesus freedom and furthermore,
 
2014-04-11 06:17:10 PM  
time to go walking through the south with my "sherman was right!" shirt
 
2014-04-11 06:19:36 PM  
Join the GOP, where we put unborn fetus' rights ahead of adult taxpayers who happen to be gay.
 
2014-04-11 06:22:21 PM  

Lord_Baull: Join the GOP, where we put unborn fetus' rights ahead of adult taxpayers who happen to be gay.


FTFY
 
2014-04-11 06:27:02 PM  

ScaryBottles: Ow! That was my feelings!: ScaryBottles: Ow! That was my feelings!: Aidan: Ow! That was my feelings!: Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.

Well, I'll have to disagree. I don't think Sherman looks batshiat crazy, I think he looks batshiat determined. "You will knock this shiat off or I'll burn your house to the ground." crazy. I think SC could use some 'determined Sherman' right now.

I have (on my other machine) the same picture with the caption "Do I have to come back down here again? Because it's looking like I do."

Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

I know. Rickover. Now there's a bastard that got shiat done. :)

Sadly, America seems all out of Shermans, MacArthurs, Pattons, Marshalls, etc.

//But we got plenty of farking Clintons and Bushs...
[x4.fjcdn.com image 500x667]

I'm just gonna love the return of you Clintonistas. You guys are so retro, so 20th Century Mod.

Laughing at "both sides are bad" douchebags is a bipartisan issue cubby. Or at least it will be when derpublicans catch on to your idiotic dog and pony show in a few years.


*tips fedora*
 
2014-04-11 06:47:57 PM  

Aidan: Ow! That was my feelings!: Janusdog: Ow! That was my feelings!: America used to have solutions to such problems...

[www.old-picture.com image 593x777]

Every time I see that picture of Sherman I'm struck by how completely batshiat he looks.  He was one of the kind of people that, if not for the army, would probably be a serial killer, arsonist, or dictator.

As for this law, more of the same -- an attempt to kill abortion doctors.

You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.

Well, I'll have to disagree. I don't think Sherman looks batshiat crazy, I think he looks batshiat determined. "You will knock this shiat off or I'll burn your house to the ground." crazy. I think SC could use some 'determined Sherman' right now.

I have (on my other machine) the same picture with the caption "Do I have to come back down here again? Because it's looking like I do."

Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

I know. Rickover. Now there's a bastard that got shiat done. :)


MacArthur was a megalomaniacal coward, with a well developed God complex.  The troops in Korea called him "Dugout Doug because that where he could be found cowering when he accidentally got anywhere near a battle.

Rickover was an obnoxious genius.  Brought the US military into the 20th century kicking and scratching, but never forgave them not not promoting him to full Admiral.

Sherman may well have been the last real man the United States ever produced.  Don't even think of arguing the point unless you have read Shelby Foote's three volume essay on the Civil War.

And I mean all three volumes.
 
2014-04-11 06:54:03 PM  

Felgraf: Aidan: Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

God, no, Sherman? It was the complete reverse.

That "War is hell" Quote you always here people say to justify atrocities? They kind of leave out *everything before it*:
(From wikiquote:)
This quote originates from his address to the graduating class of the
I've been where you are now and I know just how you feel. It's entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every one of you a hope and desire that some day you can use the skill you have acquired here.
Suppress it! You don't know the horrible aspects of war. I've been through two wars and I know. I've seen cities and homes in ashes. I've seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is Hell!
As quoted from accounts by Dr. Charles O. Brown in the Battle Creek Enquirer and News (18 November 1933)

Variants:
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all Hell.
Some of you young men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all Hell!


Really? What about the railroad ties and the burning and the salting of the earth and all that?

I mean I understand where he's coming from, but it did seem like he approached things with a kind of... excessive mentality. Although clearly pretty effective. Maybe that's what he felt would have to be done to ensure that war stopped? I dunno...

(thanks to several of you who corrected me)
 
2014-04-11 07:14:15 PM  

BritneysSpeculum: Marcus Aurelius: Is giving an unborn fetus a gun even medically possible?

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I remember seeing that and thinking, "But if the fetus shot its mom, it would die, too." And then I thought, "Oh, slogan for tards."
 
2014-04-11 07:40:24 PM  
I would head wall or head desk but my doctor has advised me to stop after my 5th GOP caused concussion.
 
2014-04-11 07:43:38 PM  
SO can abortion doctors shoot up churches in self defense?
 
2014-04-11 07:46:28 PM  
So could a pregnant woman use this law to justify an abortion if the pregnancy endangers her life?  I mean, she's allowed to stand her ground against deadly attacks, so....
 
2014-04-11 07:50:52 PM  
I don't know if they want abortion providers to be killed, but they definately want them to be afraid of being killed.
 
2014-04-11 08:23:27 PM  

Aidan: Felgraf: Aidan: Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

God, no, Sherman? It was the complete reverse.

That "War is hell" Quote you always here people say to justify atrocities? They kind of leave out *everything before it*:
(From wikiquote:)
This quote originates from his address to the graduating class of the
I've been where you are now and I know just how you feel. It's entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every one of you a hope and desire that some day you can use the skill you have acquired here.
Suppress it! You don't know the horrible aspects of war. I've been through two wars and I know. I've seen cities and homes in ashes. I've seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is Hell!
As quoted from accounts by Dr. Charles O. Brown in the Battle Creek Enquirer and News (18 November 1933)

Variants:
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all Hell.
Some of you young men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all Hell!

Really? What about the railroad ties and the burning and the salting of the earth and all that?

I mean I understand where he's coming from, but it did seem like he approached things with a kind of... excessive mentality. Although clearly pretty effective. Maybe that's what he felt would have to be done to ensure that war stopped? I dunno...

(thanks to several of you who corrected me)


All my friends in the military have the same attitude about that: overdoing it is under-appreciated.

The thinking is that the more forceful and aggressive the attack, the fewer overall casualties on both sides.  That might also be the thought behind shock and awe.
 
2014-04-11 08:30:31 PM  
so i can kill a fetus that's threatening me with skittles?

/awesome
//dnrtfa
 
2014-04-11 08:32:08 PM  
Guys, can we quit it with the fedoras? That's solely a reddit thing.

For Fark, bowler caps is where it's at.
 
2014-04-11 08:44:17 PM  
TheSopwithTurtle:
Actually, Sherman was a pretty decent guy, despite his reputation and appearance.

"I confess, without shame, I am sick and tired of fighting-its glory is all moonshine; even success the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families, appealing to me for sons, husbands and fathers ... tis only those who have never heard a shot, never heard the shriek and groans of the wounded and lacerated ... that cry aloud for more blood, more vengeance, more desolation."


"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it." - Lee

www.theblaze.com
 
2014-04-11 09:26:51 PM  
This is all well and good, but they didn't even manage to wedge in anything about Benghazi, repealing Obamacare, defunding ACORN or denying scientific, observable reality. In other words, these gentlemen are clearly RINOs.
 
2014-04-11 09:29:28 PM  

kronicfeld: Marcus Aurelius: Is giving an unborn fetus a gun even medically possible?

I can see the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, VA from my office window, and I can tell you that there have been nights that I have heard, in close proximity to each other, the wail of a distressed zygote and the rapid discharge of a high-capacity magazine into what I can only assume to be an anatomically-correct dummy in the shape of the back of a black teenager. Once I'm pretty sure it was followed by the popping of a champagne cork.


When do they develop fingers?
 
2014-04-11 09:41:56 PM  
If anyone's wondering, South Carolina already has a history of dumbassed applications of the existing stand your ground laws.

According to Shannon Scott, his daughter had been driving home when she was chased by an SUV.  The daughter got home, Scott got her inside, the SUV showed up and shot at his house.  A few minutes later, he walks out, sees a Honda across the street and, in fear for his life, shoots at that car.

Of course, the Honda had absolutely nothing to do with the previous incident, and the seventeen year old kid inside of it got his head blown clean off.

The fact that the daughter was safely inside the house, the fact that Scott wasn't so scared that he didn't go back outside, and the fact that the car he shot at was completely different than the one he was afraid of were held as irrelevant compared to the fact that he was in fear for his life from some innocent bystander.
 
2014-04-11 09:49:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus

I'm gonna need someone to explain to me how, if abortion remains a legal medical procedure, someone ELSE can legally kill a licensed abortion provider for providing legal abortions as defined by law.


It's South Carolina.  Read the link in my last comment.  The dead kid in that was driving down a public street at 1:30 AM.  That behavior was considered by a judge to be legally sufficient to allow his shooter to claim he was standing his ground.  If driving while black is a killing offense then it's not inconceivable that performing an abortion wouldn't also be.
 
2014-04-11 11:01:52 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: They can say this is about letting a pregnant woman kill an attacker but the truth is this law is motivated by something far more sinister.   Hell, they may as well call it "Open Season on Abortion Doctors Act" since any nutjob who blows one away will be allowed to invoke SYG to say he was merely defending the life of a fetus

I'm gonna need someone to explain to me how, if abortion remains a legal medical procedure, someone ELSE can legally kill a licensed abortion provider for providing legal abortions as defined by law.


Because 'Merica
 
2014-04-11 11:50:59 PM  

Aidan: Really? What about the railroad ties and the burning and the salting of the earth and all that?

I mean I understand where he's coming from, but it did seem like he approached things with a kind of... excessive mentality. Although clearly pretty effective. Maybe that's what he felt would have to be done to ensure that war stopped? I dunno...

(thanks to several of you who corrected me)


You have to remember, that was in the day before aerial combat, high-velocity explosives, and other weapons we currently use to inflict mass casualties and massive damage. Warfare is and always has been about denying opportunity to the enemy. In enemy territory (as Sherman was), the only way to do that effectively in the pre-explosives era was to destroy things excessively the hard way. You couldn't create a minefield--so you salted the fields. You couldn't dynamite bridges--you tore up miles of railroad track and burned the ties to melt the tracks. You couldn't carpet-bomb cities, they had to be burned.

This was done with the same expedient mentality as dropping the bomb on Hiroshima--to inflict massive damage, cause mass casualties which the enemy would have to cope with, and thus to prevent MORE casualties by allowing the war to continue. No doubt there was a good deal of personal malice on the part of the individual soldiers who carried out Sherman's search-and-destroy missions; but the orders from the top were to reach Savannah, break the will of the Confederacy, and force a surrender as quickly as possible.

This is why, incidentally, the war masters prefer not to wage war and admonish true students of war to avoid fielding armies unless there is absolutely no other choice. "The best option is to attack an enemy's strategy...the worst is to attack his cities." It benefits nobody to destroy infrastructure and kill civilians.
 
2014-04-12 01:09:07 AM  
The one thing this thread has taught me: Sherman was an underachiever.
 
2014-04-12 01:22:44 AM  
factoryconnection:.

In other news from the Palmetto Derp-fest, a state senator has successfully strong-armed USC-Upstate to cancel the humorous production of "How To Be a Lesbian in 10 Easy Days" having assessed it as "gay recruitment."  Ya Rly.


Let me guess, it was Mike Fair wasn't it?  That asshole was pulling shiat like that since before I left SC in 1991
 
2014-04-12 04:51:50 AM  

Janusdog: You know, at this point, I think America is just going to have to find out, all over again, what happens when you outlaw abortion.  We apparently have short memories (see vaccinations).  I guess when white women start dying in back alleys we might remember.  Maybe.


Probably already starting in Texas.. though not so many 'white' women.
 
2014-04-12 08:50:21 AM  

Aidan: Felgraf: Aidan: Horribly offensive, but I love it. I'm not so sure the real Sherman would be welcome within 50 miles of any human being, though. MacArthur maybe? Although I think I recall reading he was kind of a war-hungry asshole. Anyone can correct me on that if I'm remembering wrong.

God, no, Sherman? It was the complete reverse.

That "War is hell" Quote you always here people say to justify atrocities? They kind of leave out *everything before it*:
(From wikiquote:)
This quote originates from his address to the graduating class of the
I've been where you are now and I know just how you feel. It's entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every one of you a hope and desire that some day you can use the skill you have acquired here.
Suppress it! You don't know the horrible aspects of war. I've been through two wars and I know. I've seen cities and homes in ashes. I've seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is Hell!
As quoted from accounts by Dr. Charles O. Brown in the Battle Creek Enquirer and News (18 November 1933)

Variants:
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all Hell.
Some of you young men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all Hell!

Really? What about the railroad ties and the burning and the salting of the earth and all that?

I mean I understand where he's coming from, but it did seem like he approached things with a kind of... excessive mentality. Although clearly pretty effective. Maybe that's what he felt would have to be done to ensure that war stopped? I dunno...

(thanks to several of you who corrected me)



Excessive was the point. to quote sherman:

"I will make the people of the South so mortally tired of war that they will not consider it again for a hundred generations"
 
2014-04-12 08:51:18 AM  

gittlebass: Excessive was the point. to quote sherman:

"I will make the people of the South so mortally tired of war that they will not consider it again for a hundred generations"


Mission Not Accomplished, unfortunately.
 
2014-04-12 10:13:14 AM  
LOL gun owners
 
2014-04-12 11:36:51 PM  
This...is wrong.

This is open season on doctors, period.

Because some hick assed f*ckwit is gonna get all exercised about "tyrannical" Obamacare, and come in shooting.

Mark my words.
 
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