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(Oregon Live)   Insta-karma: when douchebag cyclist runs stop sign, you honk at him as you slam on the brakes to save his life, and he road-rages while riding alongside you--and runs straight into a parked car   (oregonlive.com) divider line 284
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2014-04-11 12:53:49 PM
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2014-04-11 01:08:47 PM
5 points?
 
2014-04-11 01:25:44 PM
You should have gone back; it was your chance to defuse the situation with charitable intervention

No, it was a chance to be further abused by an asshole who may have very well claimed you caused the accident.  Under no circumstances do you render aid to a road rager.  There is no up side.
 
2014-04-11 02:01:25 PM
Dickhead got what was coming to him.  However, I would have gone back to check on him.  I know how to verbally deescalate situations if he's all apey; I've had the formal training.
 
2014-04-11 02:06:19 PM
I keep imagining the car door scene from 48 Hrs...."What's happening, Luther???"
 
2014-04-11 02:14:20 PM
I got your right turn right here.

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2014-04-11 02:19:28 PM
What's to discuss? Man drives prudently, and smugrager owes parked car owner for damages.
Bet he didn't leave a note for the poor farker who got his car creamed with smugblood.
 
2014-04-11 02:20:50 PM
When something like this happens, and the bicyclist is lying in the road, it is your moral obligation to stop, get out of your car, and take pictures and video to upload and humiliate his ass.
 
2014-04-11 02:32:00 PM
My money is on "motorist had a stop sign too, and it was the cyclist's turn".  Purely speculative, but I have to color based on my own experiences.
 
2014-04-11 02:37:10 PM

serial_crusher: My money is on "motorist had a stop sign too, and it was the cyclist's turn".  Purely speculative, but I have to color based on my own experiences.


Okay, ignoring that we're adding layers to the story that aren't present, even if it was the cyclist's turn, he still blew the stop sign.  And either way it doesn't excuse him road-raging into a separate accident.
 
2014-04-11 02:44:56 PM
I was hoping for video.  Apparently 4 out of 5 ethicists think I'm an asshole.

I'm assuming that the video would clearly show the cyclist not stopping at the stop sign.  I'm an asshole, but I'm trying to be an asshole only where justified.
 
2014-04-11 02:46:38 PM

serial_crusher: My money is on "motorist had a stop sign too, and it was the cyclist's turn".  Purely speculative, but I have to color based on my own experiences.


My experience is:

1.  Stop at 4-way stop.  Bike approaching at right angle.  No other vehicles present.
2.  Go, as per 4-way stop rule.
3.  Jam on brakes as bike neither looked nor slowed down.
4.  Bike THEN stops in intersection and theatrically waves me on, because Lance is doing me a HUGE favor by (belatedly) abiding by the road rules that cover common restroom bacteria such as myself, but that Lance is exempt from because of Spandex.
 
2014-04-11 02:48:00 PM
I pass by a "ghost bike" every day I drive into work, and it makes me all stabby feeling inside, because the sign on it says "killed by a car".

Except the rider was actually killed by her own stupidity.  She ran a red light and got t-boned by a minivan.  Because she was a smallish person, and the fact that SUV's and minivans are the most common vehicle in that area, I'm betting the driver couldn't see that she was coming, and the bicyclist probably didn't see the vehicle coming because her view was blocked by those same vehicles.

She wasn't wearing a helmet, which probably would have saved her life.  She died of head trauma.  Also, she wasn't carrying any ID, so the police didn't know who to contact.

So she ran a red light, wasn't wearing a helmet, and wasn't carrying any ID, but she was "Killed by a car".

Right.

I wouldn't mind the bike if it didn't say that.  It's implying that the person driving the car was at fault, when in fact it was Ms. de Loazya's own fault that she died.

And even today, I occasionally see idiots doing the same damned thing at that same intersection.
 
2014-04-11 02:48:10 PM

factoryconnection: serial_crusher: My money is on "motorist had a stop sign too, and it was the cyclist's turn".  Purely speculative, but I have to color based on my own experiences.

Okay, ignoring that we're adding layers to the story that aren't present, even if it was the cyclist's turn, he still blew the stop sign.  And either way it doesn't excuse him road-raging into a separate accident.


Well, when I said it was his turn, I was thinking that he'd come to a compliant stop, then gone but the car was the one why blew the stop sign.

But yeah, not watching where you're going is stupid, road rage or otherwise.  A good bird flipping, if justified, never hurt anyone though.
 
2014-04-11 02:48:23 PM
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2014-04-11 02:48:27 PM
Good.

There were a few major streets here in Buffalo that were converted from 4 lane roads to 2 lanes with 2 bike lanes and the f*ckers don't even use them. Then you have the assholes that ride on the sidewalk and expect pedestrians to get out of the way.

F*ck cyclists. You can be just as smug by getting a bus pass and taking the hybrid buses.
 
2014-04-11 02:51:14 PM

BigMax: Apparently 4 out of 5 ethicists think I'm an asshole.


4 out of 5 ethicists would not have gone back.  The one who did go back would discover that the cyclist had called a cop to report a man running him off the road, and when arriving on the scene, have the cyclist point and him and say "That's the man, officer.  That's the man that ran me off the road."
 
2014-04-11 02:51:23 PM
Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car
 
2014-04-11 02:53:58 PM
This one time this cyclist was riding up next to me acting like he was better than me with his fancy bike and gayboy clothes so at the next stop I got out of the car and gave him a vicious beatdown by using the krav magma I learned in the Core.
 
2014-04-11 02:55:01 PM

Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car


motorists haven't become desensitized to the sight of cyclists violating traffic laws, since it happens so much less frequently than motorists violating traffic laws.  Because of this, they make special note of it when they see it and convince themselves that it's actually common behavior among all cyclists.
 
2014-04-11 02:56:09 PM

Rapmaster2000: gave him a vicious beatdown by using the krav magma I learned in the Core


kraft magma.  kraft magmaroni and cheese.
 
2014-04-11 03:00:45 PM
I have no problem with cyclists.  But goddamit I hate their little outfits.  You aren't a professional cyclist, stop wearing the outfit that has sponsorship labels all over it.
 
2014-04-11 03:03:49 PM

serial_crusher: Rapmaster2000: gave him a vicious beatdown by using the krav magma I learned in the Core

kraft magma.  kraft magmaroni and cheese.


Liquid hot kraft magma.
 
2014-04-11 03:07:17 PM

Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car


Running over cyclists is a leading cause of tire misalignment.  And that can lead to decreased tire life.
 
2014-04-11 03:19:18 PM

serial_crusher: Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car

motorists haven't become desensitized to the sight of cyclists violating traffic laws, since it happens so much less frequently than motorists violating traffic laws.  Because of this, they make special note of it when they see it and convince themselves that it's actually common behavior among all cyclists.


Honestly, if there is one thing I hate more than bicyclists violating traffic laws, it's police cars doing it, but for different reasons*.

Heck, as I pointed out, I wouldn't mind the ghost bike I drive past if it was *HONEST*.

If she had actually been killed because the driver of the minivan that struck her was violating traffic regulations, I would be fine with the "Killed by a car" wording on her ghost bike.


*If you're a cop and you don't have your lights on, you're obligated to follow the same traffic laws as everyone else.  If it's something you would give someone else a ticket for, then you shouldn't be doing it yourself unless there is a bona fide emergency.
 
2014-04-11 03:25:17 PM

Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car


Some of us have places to go a little farther than the park or the corner market.
 
2014-04-11 03:33:10 PM
I would have stopped...  Can't give up an opportunity for this:

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2014-04-11 03:34:12 PM

BigMax: I was hoping for video.  Apparently 4 out of 5 ethicists think I'm an asshole.

I'm assuming that the video would clearly show the cyclist not stopping at the stop sign.  I'm an asshole, but I'm trying to be an asshole only where justified.


I think I have a new tag line.
 
2014-04-11 03:34:34 PM

dittybopper: I wouldn't mind the ghost bike I drive past if it was *HONEST*


I find the whole notion of enshrining a dead person's wrecked bike as just a wee bit creepy.  I think the parents just lose their minds, which is understandable.  If they're going to be honest, it was the asphalt that did the deed.  But "Killed by pavement" doesn't have the same guilt trippy ring to it.
 
2014-04-11 03:35:59 PM
Holy hell, without a video this is just a "he said she said" pissing match.

I can paint any picture I want after the fact.

Why is this news?   Oh yeah, a reason to yell at each other.
 
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2014-04-11 03:36:09 PM
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2014-04-11 03:37:17 PM
Of course you have a moral obligation to go back. Then if the cyclist corpse rises, zombified, "Oh thank God for that."
 
2014-04-11 03:37:55 PM

dittybopper: serial_crusher: Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car

motorists haven't become desensitized to the sight of cyclists violating traffic laws, since it happens so much less frequently than motorists violating traffic laws.  Because of this, they make special note of it when they see it and convince themselves that it's actually common behavior among all cyclists.

Honestly, if there is one thing I hate more than bicyclists violating traffic laws, it's police cars doing it, but for different reasons*.

Heck, as I pointed out, I wouldn't mind the ghost bike I drive past if it was *HONEST*.

If she had actually been killed because the driver of the minivan that struck her was violating traffic regulations, I would be fine with the "Killed by a car" wording on her ghost bike.


*If you're a cop and you don't have your lights on, you're obligated to follow the same traffic laws as everyone else.  If it's something you would give someone else a ticket for, then you shouldn't be doing it yourself unless there is a bona fide emergency.


I agree on those situations.  There's a local advocacy group here in Austin called Please Be Kind to Cyclists.  They do some good awareness-raising work, but they also go completely ape shiat any time an accident involving a bike happens, demanding criminal charges be filed against any motorists involved without waiting for any evidence of wrongdoing.

Where is the "Please Treat Cyclists Like Every Other Road User" group?
 
2014-04-11 03:38:00 PM
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2014-04-11 03:38:27 PM

serial_crusher: factoryconnection: serial_crusher: My money is on "motorist had a stop sign too, and it was the cyclist's turn".  Purely speculative, but I have to color based on my own experiences.

Okay, ignoring that we're adding layers to the story that aren't present, even if it was the cyclist's turn, he still blew the stop sign.  And either way it doesn't excuse him road-raging into a separate accident.

Well, when I said it was his turn, I was thinking that he'd come to a compliant stop, then gone but the car was the one why blew the stop sign.

But yeah, not watching where you're going is stupid, road rage or otherwise.  A good bird flipping, if justified, never hurt anyone though.


Come on now, when have you ever seen a bicyclist stop for a stop sign?
 
2014-04-11 03:38:35 PM

Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car


I don't know, but then I don't live in a state where cyclists ever make the assumption that cars won't hit them. In fact I live and work in states where cyclists generally assume that cars will probably kill them. Same for motorcyclists. All though those asshole trick riders who want to play on the highways and get hostile when you almost hit their dumb ass sure are pussies who go from banging on my car window to running away at high speeds when I pull my .38 out of the side compartment.
 
2014-04-11 03:38:41 PM
I've never noticed a douchebag cyclist problem here in Milwaukee, since I think it's (mostly) part of the local culture to follow traffic laws no matter what vehicle you're driving. Also the local bicycle enthusiasts seem to be more the promote-commuting-and-lobby-for-more-trails type as opposed to herds-of-activists-blocking-auto-traffic-just-to-be-a-dick types.
 
2014-04-11 03:38:42 PM
I would have went back.

And I would have pointed at him and laughed. The TV Joker laugh - the one that starts with the big "Woooo" and ends in a series of "Ha"s.

www.dadsbigplan.com
 
2014-04-11 03:38:57 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I have no problem with cyclists.  But goddamit I hate their little outfits.  You aren't a professional cyclist, stop wearing the outfit that has sponsorship labels all over it.


Two years ago I started riding a bit for exercise. I haven't bought any riding gear yet but I can tell you that over a 15 mile trip you can feel the wind dragging your loose fitting shirt.

Also,

"The anger of the biker, however unjustified, doesn't allow us to say, 'He got what was coming to him,'"

The hell it doesn't!
 
2014-04-11 03:39:26 PM

serial_crusher: Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car

motorists haven't become desensitized to the sight of cyclists violating traffic laws, since it happens so much less frequently than motorists violating traffic laws.  Because of this, they make special note of it when they see it and convince themselves that it's actually common behavior among all cyclists.


It is common.  Long Beach, San Fransisco, Denver, New York City...  doesn't matter where I go, there are cyclists blowing through stop signs/traffic lights, riding the wrong way in a bike lane or on the sidewalk, and getting pissed off at me because their eagerness to disobey traffic laws puts them in dangerous situations.

That's not to say people don't violate traffic laws in cars, but people in cars tend to stop at red lights, make token stops at stop signs, and look both ways before entering/exiting a driveway, and those are the most dangerous common situations on any given day
 
2014-04-11 03:39:36 PM
CSB:
Was coming back from work on a Saturday (popped in to check on my weekend crew for a hourish).  High traffic, high speed two lane country road with zero shoulder and a 3-5' deep Ditch of Death on either side of the road.  Most people are going 60 mph on average.

Spandex boy was riding nearly in the middle of the road, farking traffic up.  One guy ahead of me honked at him as he finally managed to pass the cyclist.  Cyclist responded by throwing a water bottle at him.

And then cycled off the road into the deep ditch.

I kept driving.

Honestly, I had serious concerns about stopping to see if he was all right, because I'm pretty sure I would have called him an idiot, he would have taken a swing at me, and I would end up having to shoot him.  Or getting to shoot him, depending on your view of cyclists.
 
2014-04-11 03:39:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: I wouldn't mind the ghost bike I drive past if it was *HONEST*

I find the whole notion of enshrining a dead person's wrecked bike as just a wee bit creepy.  I think the parents just lose their minds, which is understandable.  If they're going to be honest, it was the asphalt that did the deed.  But "Killed by pavement" doesn't have the same guilt trippy ring to it.


The one that used to be south of Ann Arbor didn't bother me.  That one was for a biker who was doing everything right.

But despite the self-righteous rant upthread, I'm very aware as a motorist of bikes, both those who do the right thing and those who flout the rules.  It's simple self-defense in the sense that I don;t want to hit anyone, bike, pedestrian, car, or (ideally) squirrel (though if there's someone right behind me, the squirrel is toast).

In the Ann Arbor area, I see maybe 20% of bikes follow road rules.  Most do not except when convenient.
 
2014-04-11 03:39:55 PM
Had a similar good karma thing a few months ago with my daughters in the car. Due to construction, one turn lane was closed, and a guy in the middle lane tried to swerve into the turn lane where I was turning. I honked, and the driver leaned out the window, screaming, cursing, and flipping me off. He eventually got behind me, and as I looked in the rear view mirror I saw a cop, who must have seen the whole thing, turn on his lights and pull him over. Was great.
 
2014-04-11 03:40:00 PM
Yes, you stop and help.

Be the bigger person.
 
2014-04-11 03:40:23 PM

Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car


you've already got a couple bites so i guess you get an auto 4/10 - but way to obvious for my tastes.
 
2014-04-11 03:41:01 PM
Road rage is not exclusive to any particular vehicle. Also, man, fark this country.
 
2014-04-11 03:41:30 PM

Arkanaut: Come on now, when have you ever seen a bicyclist stop for a stop sign?


When the campus police at college started cracking down on it!
 
2014-04-11 03:41:38 PM

dittybopper: I pass by a "ghost bike" every day I drive into work, and it makes me all stabby feeling inside, because the sign on it says "killed by a car".



biatch, please.
One frikkin' anecdote about bad cyclists, and you folks get all hot and bothered.
Here in Austin, a car ran up on the goddamn sidewalk and killed a cyclist.
He got a frikkin' ticket. A goddamn fine.
In another instance, on a popular route for cyclists, a woman was run down like a dog by some idiot who hit her with a trailer he was towing. He fled the scene.
Whenever drivers f*ck up, cyclists pay with their lives, usually with minimal consequences to the driver.
So every time you people biatch about cyclists, you can kindly go f*ck yourselves.
 
2014-04-11 03:42:12 PM

vudukungfu: smugblood


My new band name, right there.
 
2014-04-11 03:42:13 PM

Mark Ratner: Why the hate for cyclists? Because we're not fat? Because we don't pollute the Earth with gas fumes? Because we're better than you lazy bastards in your steel cages? Appreciate us, don't hate us.

/excuse me while I go for a bike ride and flip off a fat ass in a car


This isn't about you.  Lighten up, Francis.  You just gave everyone a prime example of why there are problems like this.
 
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