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(Vocativ)   Student: "Bullies are attacking me". Principal: "You're just making stuff up with no proof". Student: "I have video that I secretly recorded of them bullying me". Principal: "I'm calling the cops to have you arrested for wiretapping"   (vocativ.com) divider line 229
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2014-04-12 07:45:28 PM  

rebelyell2006: MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.

Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?


Umm... No.

The bully might be an outcast, but they always come in packs. You need to have a certain level of social skills to form any kind of group.

Speaking as someone who is socially awkward, the only thing they're after is a feeling of power over their victim. The only way you'll  ever get them to stop is for the kid to show that he is  not afraid of them.

No power through violence against this kid? Then it's just not worth it to pick on them or beat them.
 
2014-04-12 07:47:45 PM  

MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: Derp.  I get picked on so I'll show them.  Not by being a better or stronger or more intelligent person, but by shooting.

Sure, kid tries to use fancy talking and he'll open himself up for more torment and beatings. And if the adults won't step in and act like adults, what is the kid to do? Lay back, accept the bullying and not dress so provocatively next time, or fight back and perhaps kill a bully to send a message?

What message is being sent?  Pussies like guns?

No, more like "grow up and act like an adult or you will be put down like the mad dog that you are". Bullies should be euthanized.

I'm getting old, but I've found that alpha males end up being the bosses and little pussies end up being the 'he stole my stapler' types.


Says the guy who refers to being a manager as an elevated state of society. Let us know when your shift is done and maybe we can arrange to teach you the life lessons you are so sorely lacking.
 
2014-04-12 07:53:04 PM  
If you Google "South Fayette High School principal"..the first link contains his bio and his email address.. To those who disagree with his actions...enjoy.   Honestly, this is the type of thing that I wish Anonymous would take up.  No need to fire him, just drive him out with a good public shaming.
 
2014-04-12 07:54:45 PM  

Dirty J1: I've never really been against bullies because they can help kids grow thick skin and stand up for themselves. But in this case, this kid comes up with a clever idea to take out his bullies and it backfires. I applaud the kid for doing what he did, and he shouldn't have gotten in trouble. He used his brain to foil his bullies, there's nothing wrong with that.


That's probably because you've never been victimized like that or, if you have, you've never needed to go to an ER afterwards after, for example, getting your teeth kicked down your throat.
 
2014-04-12 08:02:38 PM  

JRoo: real_headhoncho: MNguy: Anyone who gets bullied usually deserves it.  Welcome to the real world.

Hey, see this? -->[img.fark.net image 54x11]

When you get one of these next to your name, we might actually consider your opinion relevant.   Until then:

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You seriously think your opinion is worth more because of where you pay 5 bucks a month to entertain yourself? It's a fun site but I have better things to do than pay someone else for me to provide them with user content.

Sucker.


There's another way to get a TotalFARK account: Have it  gifted to you by having someone willing to sponsor you because they actually value your opinion and/or think you made a very valid point somewhere that they appreciated.


I've been sponsored twice now; I will probably never buy a TF subscription just because honestly, I find that when I EARN a sponsorship it actually means something, a gold star from someone willing to pay $5 out of their own pocket to sponsor you.

I'm pretty sure that's what TFers mean when they say "When you get one of these I'll listen". Maybe a little elitist, but...

Oh, and thanks to those who have sponsored me! I know I might be off base sometimes, but I'm only human. :)
 
2014-04-12 08:13:55 PM  

fireclown: This is why the baseball bat is the only answer.


Swing away Merrill.
 
2014-04-12 08:29:59 PM  
That's why when I was in school, the first day I went up to the biggest guy I could find and ripped a patch of his chest air out.
 
2014-04-12 08:33:45 PM  

pippi longstocking: OMFG what is wrong with you stupid Americans?

All the kid wanted was to be treated like a person and just have the bullies given a warning, detention, or some other form of lax punishment, but instead was thrown to the cops under felony charges.

Is there something in the water that makes you act inhuman?


Isnt it clear that the school systems are one of the biggest problems with Americans?
 
2014-04-12 08:36:10 PM  
But instead of punishing the teenage tyrants caught on tape, administrators decided to call the police, who threatened the 15-year-old boy with felony wiretapping, but later reduced the charge to disorderly conduct. He was found guilty on March 19

/The kid obviously has not learned that 1. the people in charge don't give a shiat if you get bullied, so ..fight back or take it, they don't care either way. Also, if you report it, that means actual WORK for them to do, and they hate that more than anything. That's why they went into education. Tsks...boy will learn quickly.
 
2014-04-12 08:42:01 PM  

abhorrent1: States need to get rid of this two party consent crap. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to record your interaction with anyone for any reason if you want too.


/You cant. Some states (like Illinois where i live) have wiretapping laws.  That means if you don't have consent from all parties being taped, its "wiretapping".  Unless you are the government, or police.  They get a free ticket to do that.  Then, its not called "wiretapping" its called "evidence."

//Nice huh?
 
2014-04-12 08:48:20 PM  
So you have a reasonable expectation to privacy in a public school now?

So all those random locker, backpack, and car searches we had to deal with will stop?

If one of the main purposes of public education is conditioning children to obey authority, then perhaps they disliked the kid learning he can record his own evidence.

God forbid someone records a police action somewhere down the line.
 
2014-04-12 09:33:50 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: What kind of world are we leaving for our children? We aren't.


The young will have their own Reign of Terror at this rate. The rich better invest in their own private armies in the coming decades, the regular police just aren't going to cut it.
 
2014-04-12 10:44:01 PM  
USA USA USA
 
2014-04-12 10:48:09 PM  
Yet people wonder why this kid went on a knife rampage in school.  He was a sophomore too.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/school-stabbing-spree/school-stabbi ng -spree-20-hurt-pittsburgh-area-bloodbath-n75536
 
2014-04-12 10:50:01 PM  

choo: Earth is a game. Sociopaths vs. Empaths. The sociopaths have been winning for a loooooong time.


Congrats, for what little it's worth. Your comment is the first I've ever clicked the Smart button on.
 
2014-04-12 10:53:22 PM  

bluenovaman: That's why when I was in school, the first day I went up to the biggest guy I could find and ripped a patch of his chest air out.


Christ, you could have just smacked him or something. Lungs are a valuable commodity these days.
 
2014-04-12 11:02:59 PM  
"Any victim,witness,or private detective...,if that person is under a reasonable suspicion that the intercepted party is committing, about to commit, or has committed a crime of violence, and there is reason to believe that evidence of the crime of violence may be obtained from the interception."

I lifted that from the wiretapping statute in question.

That would have been the defense to the wiretapping charge, and the slamming noise was the crime that he captured evidence of by making the recording. Destruction of evidence is also a crime and conspiracy to destroy evidence is even more of a crime.

Disorderly conduct could probably allow them to expel him, problem solved.

Principal Scott Milburn, Dean of Students Joseph Silhanek, South Fayette Township police Lieutenant Robert Kurta,
the school district's attorney, the special education teacher, and District Judge Maureen McGraw-Desmet are all not able to do their jobs properly. Apparently the Dean of Students said on the record that the Principal ordered the child to destroy the recording, and that is why it no longer exists.

sad
 
2014-04-13 12:01:08 AM  

Rand's lacy underwear: I'll never understand why necessity doesn't prevail in cases like this.


Because RULES! You have to have RULES! If there aren't RULES, we'd have rampant anarchy and murder, death, mayhem and kids taping one another willy-nilly and then where would we be?
 
2014-04-13 12:06:55 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: And even if it's a one-party state, school officials can forbid it because of safety, privacy, and reasons.


Schools can forbid a lot of things -- that doesn't make those things illegal. Also, how does this work if the school has security cameras? I'd assume there's implied consent if one enters a building, but does this consent cover *any* recording in the building, even if it's being done by someone else?
 
2014-04-13 12:10:26 AM  
I left out Associate Principal Aaron Skrbin.

/can't post worth a damn
 
2014-04-13 12:15:17 AM  

KidKorporate: And we ask ourselves why school shootings happen.


Was about to say "And you wonder why they come to school and shoot up the place like it's some sort of fugging mystery."
 
2014-04-13 01:02:14 AM  

RandomRandom: Time for a civil suit against the school for failing to protect the student. The risk had been reported multiple times, the school took no action. Even after evidence had been provided, the school continued to take no action against the bullies.

They're going after the victim because they don't want recording to become a common response to inaction by school administrators.


I think it's also they don't want people making a stink about bullying.  That shows that they're not stopping it.  Most victims quickly learn to pretend everything is ok and so the problem pretty much goes away.

rubi_con_man: Seems like there needs to be an exception as long as :

a) the recording party is present at the location of the recording.

b) the recording is designed to capture evidence of a criminal or harmful act.

c) the recording is never used as an implement for a criminal or harmful act.


What we need is to go to one-party rules unless you're in a situation where confidentiality is expected.

MNguy: My wife is Asian. Why do you have to get all racist about this? Sounds like a guy who brings a knife to a fist fight


Do you not realize that he was not using "chink" as an offensive term for Chinese?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chink

fluffy2097: I'm gonna have to side with the troll.

A pistol or assault rifle is a shiat stupid way of taking out your attackers.

An intelligent person would use a long rifle, and snipe their targets at range, like the DC sniper.


Except that would be murder, not self defense.

Bit'O'Gristle: /You cant. Some states (like Illinois where i live) have wiretapping laws. That means if you don't have consent from all parties being taped, its "wiretapping". Unless you are the government, or police. They get a free ticket to do that. Then, its not called "wiretapping" its called "evidence."


There are basically three classes of recording:

Two-party: (Really this should be called all-party).  You need the consent of everyone involved.  IIRC 12 states.

One-party:  You need the consent of one participant in the conversation.  Most of the rest.  (There are a few oddballs, such as here in Nevada.  We are one-party in most cases, two-party when the communication is electronic.)  As far as I'm concerned this should be the law of the land with a provision that it's two party in any situation which is normally considered confidential.

Zero-party:  The traditional wiretaps.  This requires either advance notice (we are recording in this area, by being here you consent to this) or a warrant.

nhdjoseywales: or perfectly articulate people who get picked on for endless years until one day they finally snap. its like taking the family dog and kicking it daily until it bites then putting it down because clearly its a mad dog.

At some point the victim makes victims, but we never seem to care til that point


Unfortunately, when they snap they tend to take out more than just the bully.
 
2014-04-13 03:18:00 AM  
This MNguy clown is just being an epic troll tonight. I'd like to welcome him to my Ignore list.
 
2014-04-13 04:16:17 AM  
This is the Internet, people! Instead of arguing amongst ourselves, why not direct your anger towards somewhere it can do some good? Here is a link with email addresses for the staff at this odious and abusive school, and it even includes the contact details of the school principal! The web address with the staff list is at  http://www.southfayette.org/high-staff and the principal's name and contact details are on page 2 of the list.

It is not the first time that social pressure from the Internet has forced a change in policy, and it won't be the last...
 
2014-04-13 05:41:22 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

"But why did he target the teacher and those students?  They did NOTHING!"

Exactly.


They.

Did.

NOTHING.
 
2014-04-13 06:20:17 AM  

MNguy: Alonjar: MNguy: You can't socially fit in?  That's your problem.

I dont know, if I chose to come shoot you in the face, I'd say it has very much become your problem.

Not really.  I'll die a happy death knowing that I was better than you.  My family may have a different view of this.


I recognize this. "I'd rather be dead and better than you than be alive and show you empathy." It's so contrary to common sense and humanity that most of us can't really understand it, but there are people who do live this way. They think traits like selfishness are good qualities to have. They spend their whole lives picking on those weaker than them because they have no honor in their hearts, it's easy. They can punch babies and stab puppies and tell each other is right because they are the ones doing the punching and stabbing.

Oh, life isn't going to be easy for MNguy once he's out of high school and has to learn to get along with others.
 
2014-04-13 08:10:08 AM  

Loren: fluffy2097: I'm gonna have to side with the troll.

A pistol or assault rifle is a shiat stupid way of taking out your attackers.

An intelligent person would use a long rifle, and snipe their targets at range, like the DC sniper.


Except that would be murder, not self defense.


That depends entirely on if you are fighting a battle, or a war.

Bullied children fight wars. Not battles. I've no problem with them taking the high ground and finishing a war someone else started, by picking the right battle.
 
2014-04-13 11:00:55 AM  

ReverendJynxed: dramboxf: ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?

Some states are one-party consent, some are two.

/RsTFA...

PA is a two-party consent state.

Still, the school official is a dick.


Pennsylvania makes it a crime to intercept or record a telephone call or conversation  unless all parties to the conversation consent. See  http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1000" title="http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1 000" style="color: rgb(142, 24, 28); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(244, 242, 234);">18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5703 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter B, and then the specific provision).

The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an "expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation." See  http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1000" title="http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1 000" style="color: rgb(142, 24, 28); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(244, 242, 234);">18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5702 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter A, and then the specific provision). Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private.

Seems to be if you are bullying in public you should not be expecting the right to privacy or protection from alleged "wiretapping."


Doesn't matter. The courts have decided to uphold cases where the wiretapping law was applied to very public places and situations, so it's a crap shoot most of the time. Furthermore, if you get pulled over or even just stopped on the street a lot of state and local cops are still ignorant or will outright lie to you and insist that you must have their consent before recording them under the wiretap law, despite the courts actually being sensible when it comes to recording police in public.

PA has a lot of backwards and just plain stupid laws on the books, but hey, at least we have a very open application of Common Law.

/Thank you, Quakers
//Fark you, Quakers
 
2014-04-13 09:24:51 PM  

pippi longstocking: OMFG what is wrong with you stupid Americans?

All the kid wanted was to be treated like a person and just have the bullies given a warning, detention, or some other form of lax punishment, but instead was thrown to the cops under felony charges.

Is there something in the water that makes you act inhuman?


Liberalism.
 
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