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(Vocativ)   Student: "Bullies are attacking me". Principal: "You're just making stuff up with no proof". Student: "I have video that I secretly recorded of them bullying me". Principal: "I'm calling the cops to have you arrested for wiretapping"   (vocativ.com ) divider line
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2014-04-12 02:59:17 PM  

Bloody William: Rik01: Exactly, what are people thinking when they make up these rules and regulations for kids in school? Doesn't anyone check for conflicts? It's like telling a kid he can defend himself, but can't do anything to physically or mentally hurt his attacker. However, the school will take severe steps if and when his attacker beats him into a bloody pulp because then, the attacker is wrong, according to the law.

I find it depressing that I can use this meme in so many ways and that it's always in a way that's horrifically truthful.

[i.imgur.com image 381x259]

You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying. If, tomorrow, I tell the press that a bookish kid will get beaten bloody or an introverted and ostracized teenager will consider suicide, nobody panics, because it's "all part of the plan." But when I say one little nerd will use technology to prove abuse, or that another will simply crumble under the pressure and come into school with a gun and the ultimate goal of suicide by cop because they can't handle it anymore, then everyone loses their minds.


You're not helping when you use the Joker to state your case. The point behind those monologues is that they seem to make sense on the surface, but in the end, they're just the insane ramblings of a psychopath.
 
2014-04-12 02:59:44 PM  
It's hardly surprising...bullies expect and need privacy to do their work. You can't have some miscreant just wantonly violate it like that.
 
2014-04-12 03:00:02 PM  

grimlock1972: That is totally farked up. The kid should have never been charged and the bullies punished.


Principal needs to be charged for failing to report the kids original complaint.
 
2014-04-12 03:04:10 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: You're not helping when you use the Joker to state your case. The point behind those monologues is that they seem to make sense on the surface, but in the end, they're just the insane ramblings of a psychopath.


Except... that monologue isn't the insane ramblings of a psychopath. He talks a lot of bullshiat in the movie and most of what he says is outright lies, but that observation, that we look the other way when cruelty, abuse, neglect, and other horrors happen to people and groups to which it's "normal" for them to happen? That's pretty accurate. We justify certain levels of bullying, certain levels of poverty, certain levels of injustice in different situations because it's just the way things have always been. "Boys will be boys" is one of the most horrifying phrases in most context, because it's exactly that monologue. That beating the shiat out of a nerd, that forming exclusionary cliques and ostracizing people who are different, is all "normal."

We look the other way when we're used to it, and we get horrified when looking the other way leads to something horrible we're not used to.
 
2014-04-12 03:06:26 PM  
MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.
 
2014-04-12 03:14:13 PM  
The original recording was suspiciously deleted by school authorities, though as described on BenSwann.com, the boy's mother, Shea Love, recounted it during the hearing.

Wouldn't this then be tampering with evidence?
 
2014-04-12 03:15:31 PM  

Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.


Yes , he is a troll, but it is still useful practice for when I run into people who actually believe that nonsense. For every conservatroll in the Politics tab, there is a normal person who actually believes that in real life and I cannot just tell a coworker, a drinking buddy, or my parents to eat a bag of dicks as I normally would say to an online troll.
 
2014-04-12 03:16:20 PM  

Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.


I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.
 
2014-04-12 03:17:52 PM  
*initial reaction
 
2014-04-12 03:18:27 PM  

MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.


Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?
 
2014-04-12 03:22:26 PM  

rebelyell2006: MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.

Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?


It's called society, and it will be enforced subtly or forcibly for your entire life
 
2014-04-12 03:23:38 PM  

MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.

Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?

It's called society, and it will be enforced subtly or forcibly for your entire life


Then why won't bullies behave the way society dictates?
 
2014-04-12 03:24:02 PM  
Roll with it or don't.  But if you're angry enough to start shooting, you're a farking coward.
 
2014-04-12 03:25:04 PM  

rebelyell2006: MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.

Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?

It's called society, and it will be enforced subtly or forcibly for your entire life

Then why won't bullies behave the way society dictates?


Why do 'bullies' rise to the top?
 
2014-04-12 03:27:34 PM  

MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.

Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?

It's called society, and it will be enforced subtly or forcibly for your entire life

Then why won't bullies behave the way society dictates?

Why do 'bullies' rise to the top?


Because their victims are too intimidated by the violence of the bullies. That's why we need to have more self-defense/stand-your-ground incidences. People will stop bullying once they realize they can be justifiably killed.
 
2014-04-12 03:29:05 PM  
So enjoy your next Sandy Hook then.
 
2014-04-12 03:30:10 PM  

rebelyell2006: MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: rebelyell2006: MNguy: Dimensio: MNguy is on record as advocating suspension of any student who is in possession of a Pop-Tart pastry that could be interpreted as vaguely resembling a firearm. He is either developmentally disabled, a troll or both (one or the other must be true, however); in either case, rational discourse is not possible with him.

I'm against threats of violence or actual violence as a result of being socially awkward.  Sorry your Weeners is to shoot up a school instead of reasonable discourse.

Aren't the bullies the socially awkward ones, since they have to assert their sense of "normality" through violence?

It's called society, and it will be enforced subtly or forcibly for your entire life

Then why won't bullies behave the way society dictates?

Why do 'bullies' rise to the top?

Because their victims are too intimidated by the violence of the bullies. That's why we need to have more self-defense/stand-your-ground incidences. People will stop bullying once they realize they can be justifiably killed.


nice.  well done.
 
2014-04-12 03:30:36 PM  
So, see if this is straight. A kid is bullied, or allegedly bullied, and the school and the cops wanna ramp up the rhetoric he was wrong for doing so? I think it instills a lesson to the kids if someone mistreats them, they're on their own. Way to go, adults. Now when you get the next kid with pipebombs, or goes all "Lanza" on the bullies, and possibly the innocent, where will adults pin the blame? Many do not want the issue resolved, they just want everyone to stay quiet.
 
2014-04-12 03:33:39 PM  
Wow some of the comments on that site are true derp - they seem to think something called "progressive liberalism" is the cause of the problem.

As if advancing the cause of liberty is likely to be the root cause of something as bigotted and blind as the behaviour of everyone from the bully to the principal, to the DA and judge - I would have gone with ignorance and parochialism.
 
2014-04-12 03:42:12 PM  

edmo: Still, the civil suit is a lock.


Can you use illegal videotape as evidence in a civil case?
 
2014-04-12 03:57:48 PM  
Oddly enough. I'm now wondering if the stabby student who put 20 in a hospital, was set off by bullies.
 
2014-04-12 04:10:26 PM  
Comprehension delay disorder?  That's a new one.
 
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2014-04-12 04:11:39 PM  

pippi longstocking: OMFG what is wrong with you stupid Americans?

All the kid wanted was to be treated like a person and just have the bullies given a warning, detention, or some other form of lax punishment, but instead was thrown to the cops under felony charges.

Is there something in the water that makes you act inhuman?


Yup, Americans are seriously wrong in the head. Which European country with a long history of genocide and war are you from?
 
2014-04-12 04:11:59 PM  

cwolf20: Oddly enough. I'm now wondering if the stabby student who put 20 in a hospital, was set off by bullies.


Are you really wondering?
 
2014-04-12 04:22:41 PM  

Cataholic: Comprehension delay disorder?  That's a new one.


Receptive language disorder means a child has difficulties understanding what is said to them. Another name for receptive language disorder is language comprehension deficit. In most cases, the child also has an expressive language disorder, which means they have trouble using spoken language. Hearing tests are required to make sure the problems aren't caused by hearing loss. Treatment options include speech-language therapy.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Recep ti ve_language_disorder
 
2014-04-12 04:23:49 PM  

TheBigJerk: cwolf20: Oddly enough. I'm now wondering if the stabby student who put 20 in a hospital, was set off by bullies.

Are you really wondering?


I did for a for the few seconds it took to type, submit, and go get a beer.  Now I'm wondering if I should go to that bbq restaurant
 
2014-04-12 04:38:29 PM  

Heron: RandomRandom: Time for a civil suit against the school for failing to protect the student.  The risk had been reported multiple times, the school took no action. Even after evidence had been provided, the school continued to take no action against the bullies.

They're going after the victim because they don't want recording to become a common response to inaction by school administrators.

The criminal portion of this could be challenged if the school had cameras.  If the school had cameras, the bullies would have no expectation of privacy and the state law requiring all parties to know of a recording should not apply.

Sad to say, civil suits are often the only way to force a bureaucracy to change a terrible behavior.

The charge is open to challenge even without cameras; as has been said up-thread, sinc ehte "conversation" took place in a schoolroom, which is by nature a public location, it very likely doesn't fall under the wiretapping statute. I'd also add that bullying is an essentially public act meant not only to humiliate but to draw attention to that humiliation so as to make it worse, and that by slamming the book down on the desk next to the kid, one of the bullies committed an action that could not but be meant to drawn attention, meaning that the charge is even more questionable on its face. IMHO, the principle in question needs to be fired as they've mucked up this situation in about every way they had to muck it up in.


The wiretapping charge was bullshiat on many levels. It never would have stood. Which is why the charge was "reduced" to disorderly conduct.
 
2014-04-12 05:05:34 PM  
I can understand prosecuting the kid under the state wiretapping law since he didn't notify the bullies that he was recording them.  But how does this qualify as "disorderly conduct"?  Why not reduce the charges from wiretapping to...I dunno...shoplifting?  Or speeding in a construction zone?
 
2014-04-12 05:06:04 PM  
The media misunderstood, the student was retired.
 
2014-04-12 05:21:23 PM  
This is when I use my Idiot Stick to hit the people in charge for stupidity......
 
2014-04-12 05:26:29 PM  
Everybody knows about the wars between rich vs. poor, whites vs. non-whites, Christian Fundies vs. everyone else, but there's another war in play: old vs. young.

Think about it. What are the two things the US government spends the most money on? Medicare, to help older Americans live longer, and the military, killing off younger Americans in senseless wars.

This blind eye to excessive bullying just hammers in the message that the well-being of our youth doesn't matter anymore.

Older Americans are getting all the benefits, and yet they're biatching the loudest about getting the short end of the stick, and call younger Americans that try to bring their own grievances to light selfish or entitled.

What kind of world are we leaving for our children? We aren't.
 
2014-04-12 05:34:27 PM  
I think the mother should send junior back to school with his Ipad, and this time post the video on the internet. The outrage at seeing the bullying will back off the local prosecutor from pressing charges, and the principal will get such a shiat storm of email that he will be forced to do something about the situation. Even if it is wrong.
 
2014-04-12 05:45:01 PM  
Gotta catch those whistle blowers young, show them they can't get out of this with honesty.
 
2014-04-12 05:56:02 PM  

b-maz: LeroyBourne: No one will/should be surprised if this kid brings a gun to school.

Was going to say, while I don't condone, I empathize with the person.    Being forced to go to school, be tormented every day mentally, emotionally, and physically, with no way to solve the issue?  That usually results in three things.

1. Suicide by the victim.
2. Forced to move away to another school system (if possible)
3. Victim takes the law into their own hands.

Maybe with publicity, the victim will get help.


There's a fourth option: Victim learns to stand up for themselves, either through passive resistance or learning to actually fight..


Like that one kid, who allowed the bullies to hit them in the face, each time calling them an "asshole" until the bully finally realizes "Holy shiat, they ain't backing down!! What if they decide to fight back!?"
 
2014-04-12 06:09:05 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Public Schools are actionable Child Abuse

Why are you putting your children in an MMA fight pit of harm?


MMA fights are safer and fairer. Both parties know they are in a fight, a ref supervises, a doctor is on hand, the time is strictly limited, and opponents are matched by weight class and ability.

To be fair, on the level of strict physical harm, schools are generally pretty safe, but my experience is that they are psychologically nasty, nasty places.
 
2014-04-12 06:17:59 PM  

pippi longstocking: OMFG what is wrong with you stupid Americans?

All the kid wanted was to be treated like a person and just have the bullies given a warning, detention, or some other form of lax punishment, but instead was thrown to the cops under felony charges.

Is there something in the water that makes you act inhuman?


Well, over here there's very much as "Fark you, I got mine!" Or "we're stronger, you're weaker, and might makes right!!"


It's also very much frowned upon for victims to say anything about their experiences, because as you saw upthread "Those who are bullied usually deserve it. Welcome to the real world."


Ergo, victims of childhood abuse, especially those who are at all learning disabled, are very much looked down upon, socially ostracized and shunned because they deserved it in the first place; seeking help is a badge of shame.


I'm not even going to get into the whole "if you were bullied or abused as a kid, you WILL be an abusive piece of crap!" philosophy....
 
2014-04-12 06:22:27 PM  
Now the followup tag when this kid shoots up the school I hope nobody will be wondering why he "snapped"
 
2014-04-12 06:23:12 PM  

0z79: pippi longstocking: OMFG what is wrong with you stupid Americans?

All the kid wanted was to be treated like a person and just have the bullies given a warning, detention, or some other form of lax punishment, but instead was thrown to the cops under felony charges.

Is there something in the water that makes you act inhuman?

Well, over here there's very much as "Fark you, I got mine!" Or "we're stronger, you're weaker, and might makes right!!"


It's also very much frowned upon for victims to say anything about their experiences, because as you saw upthread "Those who are bullied usually deserve it. Welcome to the real world."


Ergo, victims of childhood abuse, especially those who are at all learning disabled, are very much looked down upon, socially ostracized and shunned because they deserved it in the first place; seeking help is a badge of shame.


I'm not even going to get into the whole "if you were bullied or abused as a kid, you WILL be an abusive piece of crap!" philosophy....


This. We live in a society where the victims of abuse are treated worse than the abusers themselves.

It's way too easy to say "Suffering builds character" when you aren't suffering.
 
2014-04-12 06:24:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Bith Set Me Up: KidKorporate: And we ask ourselves why school shootings happen.

Weren't the bastards behind Columbine the bullies themselves?

If you believe the retconning that the bullies have been saying........


I've looked up some stuff about them, and it turns out they gave as good as they got when it came to bullying.
 
2014-04-12 06:26:03 PM  

MNguy: Derp.  I get picked on so I'll show them.  Not by being a better or stronger or more intelligent person, but by shooting.


A gun is a tool,  If somebody is stronger then you and you can't stop them physically then there is nothing wrong with using tools to even the odds.
 
2014-04-12 06:49:04 PM  
Why do the cops and prosecutors always seem to go along with the wishes of the school. Yes, the cops in this case could say the victim student was breaking the state law and charge him but why could they also charge the bullies for something like terroristic threats or simple assault and the school for failure to provide a safe environment?

Schools are getting too powerful and the cops just go along with it.
 
2014-04-12 06:52:59 PM  
I've never really been against bullies because they can help kids grow thick skin and stand up for themselves. But in this case, this kid comes up with a clever idea to take out his bullies and it backfires. I applaud the kid for doing what he did, and he shouldn't have gotten in trouble. He used his brain to foil his bullies, there's nothing wrong with that.
 
2014-04-12 07:02:05 PM  

Warlordtrooper: A gun is a tool,  If somebody is stronger then you and you can't stop them physically then there is nothing wrong with using tools to even the odds.


I'm gonna have to side with the troll.

A pistol or assault rifle is a shiat stupid way of taking out your attackers.

An intelligent person would use a long rifle, and snipe their targets at range, like the DC sniper.
 
2014-04-12 07:03:20 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: Bullies, in a sense, are authority figures, since they get satisfaction out of asserting their own (self-assumed) authority; so it's no surprise that a lot of them grow up to become school administrators and side with the next generation of bullies.


Sad comment.....and absolutely true.
 
2014-04-12 07:06:16 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: TV's Vinnie: Bith Set Me Up: KidKorporate: And we ask ourselves why school shootings happen.

Weren't the bastards behind Columbine the bullies themselves?

If you believe the retconning that the bullies have been saying........

I've looked up some stuff about them, and it turns out they gave as good as they got when it came to bullying.


Again, that could be retconning. There was a lot of horsecrap said about these two ("Trenchcoat Mafia", "Matrix movies", "Marilyn Manson",sheesh!). A lot of people who failed to turn these two around want to avoid bearing any responsibility for their part in this.
 
2014-04-12 07:08:19 PM  
When a student cannot turn to anyone for help that's when they look to weapons to solve their problems once again school administration and the law show just how stupid they are
 
2014-04-12 07:10:03 PM  

MNguy: Anyone who gets bullied usually deserves it.  Welcome to the real world.


Hey, see this? -->img.fark.net

When you get one of these next to your name, we might actually consider your opinion relevant.   Until then:

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-12 07:29:57 PM  

real_headhoncho: MNguy: Anyone who gets bullied usually deserves it.  Welcome to the real world.

Hey, see this? -->[img.fark.net image 54x11]

When you get one of these next to your name, we might actually consider your opinion relevant.   Until then:

[img.fark.net image 481x680]



You seriously think your opinion is worth more because of where you pay 5 bucks a month to entertain yourself? It's a fun site but I have better things to do than pay someone else for me to provide them with user content.

Sucker.
 
2014-04-12 07:31:52 PM  
real_headhoncho: I'm better because I am unwise with my money.
 
2014-04-12 07:37:32 PM  

JRoo: You seriously think your opinion is worth more because of where you pay 5 bucks a month to entertain yourself?


Yes.  Amiright, Drew?
 
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