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(Vocativ)   Student: "Bullies are attacking me". Principal: "You're just making stuff up with no proof". Student: "I have video that I secretly recorded of them bullying me". Principal: "I'm calling the cops to have you arrested for wiretapping"   (vocativ.com) divider line 229
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2014-04-11 11:56:28 AM  
So, what's new?
 
2014-04-11 11:59:49 AM  
Somebody's still sore about the government spying on us, I see...
 
2014-04-11 12:01:09 PM  
He probably secretly wanted it. He was dressed in a way that provoked the popular kids into bullying him. They're the real victims here.
 
2014-04-11 12:02:46 PM  
In a capitalist society, only the strong deserve survive. We define "strong" as those who successfully prey upon those weaker than them for personal gain. This is something we want to encourage so that we will have a fresh new crop of Wall Street bankers and CIA agents to pull from.

/ Do I need a sarcasm tag here? Feels like I need a sarcasm tag.
 
2014-04-11 12:05:44 PM  
Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?
 
2014-04-11 12:07:29 PM  
Earth is a game. Sociopaths vs. Empaths. The sociopaths have been winning for a loooooong time.
 
2014-04-11 12:07:37 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?


That depends on the state.  In PA, you need the consent of all parties.
 
2014-04-11 12:08:08 PM  
What the victim might have looked like...

i76.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-11 12:15:06 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?


Some states are one-party consent, some are two.

/RsTFA...

PA is a two-party consent state.

Still, the school official is a dick.
 
2014-04-12 12:00:28 PM  

dramboxf: ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?

Some states are one-party consent, some are two.

/RsTFA...

PA is a two-party consent state.

Still, the school official is a dick.


Default setting of school officials.
 
2014-04-12 12:04:44 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?

That depends on the state.  In PA, you need the consent of all parties.


And even if it's a one-party state, school officials can forbid it because of safety, privacy, and reasons.
 
2014-04-12 12:07:11 PM  
Still, the civil suit is a lock.
 
2014-04-12 12:33:08 PM  
Public Schools are actionable Child Abuse

Why are you putting your children in an MMA fight pit of harm?
 
2014-04-12 12:33:41 PM  
Sounds about right for PA. They're about 20 years behind everyone else with their laws.
 
2014-04-12 12:34:56 PM  

styckx: Sounds about right for PA. They're about 20 years behind everyone else with their laws.


Twelve states.
 
2014-04-12 12:35:10 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Public Schools are actionable Child Abuse

Why are you putting your children in an MMA fight pit of harm?


Because it's still less than cruel than the politics tab?
 
2014-04-12 12:36:29 PM  
This is why the baseball bat is the only answer.
 
2014-04-12 12:36:47 PM  

styckx: Sounds about right for PA. They're about 200 years behind everyone else with their laws.


FTFY
 
2014-04-12 12:38:08 PM  
I had commented on a redlinked item.  This kid is in a completely losing situation.  His only option is to move.
 
2014-04-12 12:38:13 PM  
Bullies, in a sense, are authority figures, since they get satisfaction out of asserting their own (self-assumed) authority; so it's no surprise that a lot of them grow up to become school administrators and side with the next generation of bullies.
 
2014-04-12 12:38:53 PM  
I'll never understand why necessity doesn't prevail in cases like this.
 
2014-04-12 12:39:53 PM  
Anyone who gets bullied usually deserves it.  Welcome to the real world.
 
2014-04-12 12:39:59 PM  
Oh, boy. PA again. Having a retarded sister, this doesn't surprise me.
 
2014-04-12 12:40:02 PM  
No one will/should be surprised if this kid brings a gun to school.
 
2014-04-12 12:40:52 PM  

fireclown: This is why the baseball bat is the only answer.

 
2014-04-12 12:41:41 PM  

kid_icarus: What the victim might have looked like...

[i76.photobucket.com image 423x500]


Moot is a nerd, and probably still gets cut in line at the grocery store.
 
2014-04-12 12:42:33 PM  
Is our educators learning?

thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-12 12:43:59 PM  
And we ask ourselves why school shootings happen.
 
2014-04-12 12:44:07 PM  

styckx: Sounds about right for PA. They're about 20 years behind everyone else with their laws.


Want to buy some alcohol tomorrow?
 
2014-04-12 12:45:04 PM  

LeroyBourne: No one will/should be surprised if this kid brings a gun to school.


Was going to say, while I don't condone, I empathize with the person.    Being forced to go to school, be tormented every day mentally, emotionally, and physically, with no way to solve the issue?  That usually results in three things.

1. Suicide by the victim.
2. Forced to move away to another school system (if possible)
3. Victim takes the law into their own hands.

Maybe with publicity, the victim will get help.
 
2014-04-12 12:45:38 PM  

KidKorporate: And we ask ourselves why school shootings happen.


lax gun laws, dipshiat people who never learned how to use words
 
2014-04-12 12:46:00 PM  
The video is pretty brutal... :-(
 
2014-04-12 12:46:21 PM  

MNguy: kid_icarus: What the victim might have looked like...

[i76.photobucket.com image 423x500]

Moot is a nerd, and probably still gets cut in line at the grocery store.


What does that have to do with this picture? That doesn't even remotely resemble m00t, and IIRC this guy is a foreigner.
 
2014-04-12 12:46:30 PM  
According to Love, as the teacher is heard attempting to help her son with a math problem, a student says, "You should pull his pants down!" Another student replies, "No, man. Imagine how bad that (c**t) smells! No one wants to smell that (t**t)." As the recording continues, the teacher instructs the classroom that they may only talk if it pertains to math. Shortly thereafter, a loud noise is heard on the recording, which her son explained was a book being slammed down next to him after a student pretended to hit him in the head with it. When the teacher yells, the student exclaims, "What? I was just trying to scare him!" A group of boys are heard laughing.

The teacher need to be retrained as a starting point for discussion. S/he may not have the social presence to direct a classroom of students.
 
2014-04-12 12:46:53 PM  
OMFG what is wrong with you stupid Americans?

All the kid wanted was to be treated like a person and just have the bullies given a warning, detention, or some other form of lax punishment, but instead was thrown to the cops under felony charges.

Is there something in the water that makes you act inhuman?
 
2014-04-12 12:47:25 PM  
States need to get rid of this two party consent crap. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to record your interaction with anyone for any reason if you want too.
 
2014-04-12 12:47:27 PM  

dramboxf: ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?

Some states are one-party consent, some are two.

/RsTFA...

PA is a two-party consent state.

Still, the school official is a dick.



Pennsylvania makes it a crime to intercept or record a telephone call or conversation  unless all parties to the conversation consent. See  http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1000" title="http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1 000" style="color: rgb(142, 24, 28); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(244, 242, 234);">18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5703 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter B, and then the specific provision).

The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an "expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation." See  http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1000" title="http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1 000" style="color: rgb(142, 24, 28); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(244, 242, 234);">18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5702 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter A, and then the specific provision). Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private.

Seems to be if you are bullying in public you should not be expecting the right to privacy or protection from alleged "wiretapping."
 
2014-04-12 12:47:30 PM  
You could say this guy didn't put the PAL in principle.
 
2014-04-12 12:48:12 PM  
Gah broken copy-pasta. But the relevant info is there.
 
2014-04-12 12:49:28 PM  
Or do they expect us to get a signed consent from the bullies before reporting the offenses?
 
2014-04-12 12:51:04 PM  
School is suppose to be a place of learning, save the physiological torture for the workplace
 
2014-04-12 12:51:33 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?

That depends on the state.  In PA, you need the consent of all parties.


Ohio you can record video but not with audio.
 
2014-04-12 12:52:24 PM  
Things like this make me sick. Principal should be fired and the kid's parents should take legal action.
 
2014-04-12 12:52:54 PM  
ReverendJynxed
Seems to be if you are bullying in public you should not be expecting the right to privacy or protection from alleged "wiretapping."

How is a classroom in a public school not considered a public conversation?
 
2014-04-12 12:53:41 PM  
Odd I never had any expectation of privacy whilst I was in a classroom - you talk people hear.
 
2014-04-12 12:53:57 PM  

b-maz: LeroyBourne: No one will/should be surprised if this kid brings a gun to school.

Was going to say, while I don't condone


Oh, I agree.  With all the school shootings I thought I was in the area of bad taste, but I went with it anyway.
 
2014-04-12 12:54:11 PM  
Time for a civil suit against the school for failing to protect the student.  The risk had been reported multiple times, the school took no action. Even after evidence had been provided, the school continued to take no action against the bullies.

They're going after the victim because they don't want recording to become a common response to inaction by school administrators.

The criminal portion of this could be challenged if the school had cameras.  If the school had cameras, the bullies would have no expectation of privacy and the state law requiring all parties to know of a recording should not apply.

Sad to say, civil suits are often the only way to force a bureaucracy to change a terrible behavior.
 
2014-04-12 12:55:15 PM  

abhorrent1: States need to get rid of this two party consent crap. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to record your interaction with anyone for any reason if you want too.


Well, IIRC many of the states requiring all-party consent to recording did so in the wake of Watergate; I'd call that a pretty good example of why such laws exist.
 
2014-04-12 12:56:15 PM  

ReverendJynxed: dramboxf: ReverendJynxed: Uh, as long as one of the parties involved (the victim in this case) has knowledge of the taping, it's ok ain't it?

Some states are one-party consent, some are two.

/RsTFA...

PA is a two-party consent state.

Still, the school official is a dick.


Pennsylvania makes it a crime to intercept or record a telephone call or conversation  unless all parties to the conversation consent. See  http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1000" title="http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1 000" style="color: rgb(142, 24, 28); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(244, 242, 234);">18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5703 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter B, and then the specific provision).

The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an "expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation." See  http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1000" title="http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=pac-1 000" style="color: rgb(142, 24, 28); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(244, 242, 234);">18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5702 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter A, and then the specific provision). Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private.

Seems to be if you are bullying in public you should not be expecting the right to privacy or protection from alleged "wiretapping."


Better hope they don't have security cameras in any place one could consider private.
 
2014-04-12 12:57:07 PM  

KidKorporate: And we ask ourselves why school shootings happen.


He did all he could without violence and no one cared. I wouldn't begrudge him murdering the bullies; including the principal.
 
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